The Rockets Roster: Where Do We Go From Here?
The Lockout still isn’t settled but it’s looking like we’re taken care of. In the spirit of optimism and faith that the agreement won’t fall apart at the eleventh hour it’s important that we look over the good guys’ roster. What impact will the lockout have on the team coming together, what are our options moving forward, what directions the franchise can move in, and what exactly the front office’s theory could be moving forward.
Join me on this magical journey looking into just what lays ahead, how this roster can adapt to adversity, and some more confusing issues swirling around the amnesty clause!
Scheduling after the NBA lockout is a major task for the NBA. The season will go to 66 games, include two preseason games, hopefully have a trade deadline in March, and feature a gambit of back-to-back-to-backs (One to three for each team in the league). The composition of these 66 games is the most interesting aspects to me. The Rockets will face their Western Conference adversaries in 48 games out of 66 (73% of games). 18 of 66 (27%) will be against the Eastern Conference. The Rockets have 16 of their 48 games within their division (24% of their games). Last year the Rockets finished last in their division.
Think of that, if you will. The Rockets play roughly a quarter of their schedule against a division they went 5-11 against last season. The lockout positively impacts veteran players by allowing longer time to heal from injuries, aches, and pains, and gives them the benefit of a shortened season (As the Spurs, Lakers, and Celtics show this strategy GENERALLY works). We have 32 more games against the Western Conference. Houston finished 25-27 against Western Conference teams last season, subtract our division record of 5-11 (31% winning percentage) and the Rockets were 20-16 against our fellow Western Conference team. That’s good for a 56% winning percentage against our non-divisional opponents. That now only accounts for 48% of our games, less than half. So we’re roughly over .500 against non-division opponents but we are woefully inadequate within our division.
The Rockets were 18-12 against Eastern Conference teams, teams we will see 18 times this upcoming season. That’s a 60% winning percentage against the Eastern Conference. That gets diminished in a shortened schedule. Analyzing the slate the Rockets have coming up we have to look at raw numbers. Our roster is in tact from last season and adding a guy like a Nene will not significantly tilt the records in favor of the Rockets. I say that because as it stands, Nene has the benefit in Denver of defensive support (to an extent) and when it comes to centers, he is above average at best. Assuming no roster changes for the Rockets (retention of Hayes), the numbers as they stand, project to a Rockets record this season of 34-32, another mediocre season.
Is this condemning for the Rockets? Not necessarily. They’re uniquely situated in that they have 10 players under contract, only one over the age of 30, and the only loose ends they have are three unsigned draft picks. Chandler Parsons is committed overseas and Donatas Motiejunas is as well. Marcus Morris should be signed promptly and there is the pursuit of a guy like Nene. As it stands right now, the Rockets are tasked with finding ways to integrate whatever free agents they pursue, one rookie PF/SF, Johnny Flynn, Terrence Williams, and Hasheem Thabeet into components of this roster. Out of ten players under contract the Rockets have to find a place for 3 of them, sign one more to bump our total of new integration to 4, and whatever free agents signed (Presumably up to 3) into a rotation of sorts. What this says to me is that the Rockets could potentially have to integrate 4-5 players, learn a new offensive system, and decide whether or not to move forward with either rebuilding or trying to swing a deal.
A record of 34-32 only becomes an option if other teams do not benefit from the layoff. The Rockets have youth on their side which means quicker recover on the three straight game set ups but they also have a new coach, a new outlook, new players to integrate, and a long, hard look in the mirror to deal with. The amnesty waivers would have to provide a very intriguing class of free agents to the market. The clause is available for 6 years, which means it’s wildly unpredictable that it will create a wealth of available players.
Further, it cannot be understated that a player is still owed (at least some) money from their amnestied contract, and could reasonably offer their services at a discount to another club when they become available. Houston has to reconcile that in this new CBA player movement is something that is restricted more so than it was before. That sign and trades yield less to a player than staying with their current team. The moves teams over the luxury tax line can make are limited which is intended to create more of an opportunity for small market teams to attract talent but it’s not a given that it will produce such a result. That earlier notion of making a decision about whether or not to rebuild or swing for a deal plays a role really only after the onset of the season. The trade deadline’s delay to March plays happily into the Rockets’ hand. Houston can opt to see what the amnesty clause provides, evaluate some of their young talent, and decide to deal as the season goes on if they decide to cash in their chips.
When the front office brought in Kevin McHale I took it as a positive step towards committing to guys like Hasheem Thabeet and Jordan Hill. Bringing in a coach who will put up with rebuilding pains and develop young big men is a drastic departure from our old coach. McHale has a history of developing size, which the Rockets desperately need since big men don’t seem keen on coming to Houston, nor do teams seem keen to give us some of theirs. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement seems keen on rewarding teams who run their franchise properly by giving them more leverage in negotiations with their agents.
The Rockets are staffed with young players and they are buoyed by veteran presence in Luis Scola and Kevin Martin. Luis Scola is the team’s only over 30 player and is coming back off of knee surgery and his first slate of missed games in his career. Kevin Martin is a dynamic scorer on a contract I’d label fair with his skill set. The Rockets are overstocked at Scola’s size and position and Kevin Martin provides potent offense but not much else. The move from Adelman to McHale to me hints towards the front office putting some faith behind Patrick Patterson, Jordan Hill, and Hasheem Thabeet. What this also tells me is that Scola will be available. As it comes to Kevin Martin, I get the feeling the front office is looking for more two-way basketball, which very well could be good news for Terrence Williams.
This discussion does open the door for the conversation broken open by my colleague Patrick about tanking versus swinging for the fences. My take, as made painfully aware, is that the Rockets are stocked with young players, have a coach with good rapport amongst young players, have players who can make their veterans expendable in the interest of developing talent, and are tasked with facing the reality that teams just don’t tend to deal for what we have to offer.
In economics if you have nothing to exchange you generally must become a producer to enter the market. The Rockets need to acknowledge that it’s time to become a producer. If that involves selling a couple of dependable pieces cheaper than you would like, you take what return you can get and start work. This franchise won’t see significant improvement around players that are supremely average. Luis Scola is a wonderful talent for us, but on the greater NBA stage, he’s your decent PF. Kevin Martin is an offensive dynamo, he’s not really much else and that relegates him to a sub-tier of SG in the NBA.
The Rockets cannot make improvements drafting at number 15 or hoping that other teams collapse with the draft picks we’ve picked up. Gem trades are rare. The moves the front office has made (Acquisition of draft picks, Dragic, Flynn, Thabeet, a big man coach, removal of an offensive oriented coach for a more well rounded coach, and acceptance of their trade futility) seem to signify a willingness to abandon a failing philosophy.
The Rockets seem inclined to reduce their cap space and begin looking towards the draft. This is only proper if you want to build long term. Ask the Clippers if they regret doing poorly when they selected Blake Griffin. How about the Wizards drafting a point guard who could come to dominate the game? I doubt many of these clubs with the young players the NBA (And specifically the Rockets) covet are lamenting the fact that their bad seasons are a (distant, sometimes) memory.
I know where I stand, my fellow fans. A bad season or two is fine by me so long as I know we have a direction. This limbo situation cannot continue. If we had a franchise player through the draft, I would be satisfied with a year or two of poor play while it all comes together. You know as well as I do when Oklahoma City was the whipping boy of the NBA for two years everyone took notice when Durant, Westbrook, and Harden came together to let the league know they arrived. Wouldn’t you like that feeling too? I know I would.
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If I remember, Feigen said he expects Parsons to be here for the season.
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I thought he signed with a French team already.
Or was that just his stint over there for a little bit?
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I think it was a two month contract
and it was in early September when he signed it.
by twinkilling0303 on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
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The contract finished in the 1rst November
by RiiseRockets on Nov 30, 2011 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
I think it was only for a little while
He should be back but if I am not mistaken he even has an out clause if the NBA starts so even if he is still there, he should come back very soon.
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by Rockets4LIFE on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty sure he had an out clause.
China is the only country to specifically outlaw an out clause.
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I totally agree
This years draft is supposed to be really good, I want a shot at getting someone that can make a difference. A trade of Scola and/or Martin with a young talent or 2 might get us the high pick we need. The trade needs to be done early though because the longer we dont make a trade, the less likely it will be that we can get a high pick.
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Sure, if you can guarantee me a year in the tank gets me the equivalent of Durant, I'm all for it.
Quick, name the second pick in this year’s draft!
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I can guarantee you one thing.
That difference maker won’t be found with the 15th pick in the NBA draft. Quick, name me the last 15th pick to be a game changing superstar.
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What I'm saying to you is, you can't be sure anything worthwhile will be there, even at number 2.
Or maybe you get Greg Oden. My sense is, for every team that suffered for a few years and then got a franchise player there are two who didn’t.
I’m just asking you about this last, wonderful, draft class, not all of history. I can’t remember and I bet you can’t either.
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All I'm responding with is that where the Rockets have been drafting, doesn't get you a difference maker.
The current CBA is still raising questions for the upcoming draft, so who is the #2 pick? Not sure. They might up the age limit that makes it change. When it boils down, advocating the Rockets continue their end of the lottery ways will keep the franchise mired in mediocrity for far longer than just developing young talent and taking lumps anyhow. Your sense could be right if you look at overaching busts and bad decisions. I mean, in the 1984 draft class Sam Bowie went second and Jordan went third. Is that to say that the draft is really that weak or the team went with conventional wisdom and it backfired? Who takes the blame, the player, the draft, the scouts, or the concept of random chance?
At the end of the day, you vastly improve your chances of getting a difference maker at the top of the draft lottery than at the end of it. Also, it’s last year’s draft you’d be asking about, not this year’s. Also, it was Derrick Williams. This draft class was crazy weak.
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You had to google it, admit it.
I generally agree with you premise that the front of the lottery is better than the back. What I don’t agree with is that we’re fated to stay in that spot with this team. My sense is that the Rockets have been digging out from their bad contracts (due to injury) while adding a lot of talent that is yet unproven.
Most Rockets players are heading towards, rather than away from, their statistical peak years. We’ve added guys with upside in such volume that I think one or two, maybe three, will pan out. I honestly think Patterson is a star in the making, for example. Williams, who knows? Thabeet? Well, I’m dubious, but not despondent. He is 7’3" and did show some real promise at one time. And so forth – with many, many, other intriguing players aboard.
I do think that this season might be one where the Rockets winnow through their bumper crop of interesting guys, and settle on the winners. That activity might well produce the sweet pick you’re dreaming of.
I remain unconvinced by your premise that falling just outside the playoffs is the necessary fate of this team.
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I think we're close in opinion.
I mean, this year to me, is the year to look at all the young guys we picked up, find which ones are gems, which ones are duds. This will inherently impact our record as it’s a discovery process. I have faith in Patterson, Thabeet, Hill, Flynn, and Williams, honestly. I think this team has a lot of good to great young guys on the roster. I’m confident we’ll get something out of it.
My view on the fate of the team is that barring the acquisition of a franchise player, the Rockets roster continues to have untapped potential or underutilized prospects. With that being the bulk of our roster we’re only shooting ourselves in the foot while the majority of the league continues to improve. So what we’re left with is wasted potential or stasis while the rest of the league continues to move. If we remain in stasis with the roster and don’t go for broke to evaluate whether or not our answers are in house, we’ll be stuck spinning the wheels because the world is moving around us and we can’t figure out how to shift out of neutral.
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See, if this was the lockout we'd have fixed it in 24hrs.
I think McHale has been hired as the equivalent of a Jerry Jones coach – he’s going to follow instructions from above. Those instructions are – “You will play the fucking players we traded for – all of them.”
I think a tremendous number of answer ARE in house, and I honestly think the best possible thing that could happen would be for this bunch of young players to have an excellent season, make a real run into the playoffs – and land Howard. That’s my dream anyway. The thought of Howard and Kevin Martin on the same team should terrify any opponent – now its getting Howard to see it.
Adelman was such a landmark that he was going to do what he wanted, and fair enough, those were the terms he was hired under. But this isn’t a team with two stars looking for the missing piece.
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this is one of the few points where I fundamentally disagree with you
I don’t think Howard helps this team as much as a two-way center. Howard cannot make free throws, he has trouble creating for himself and is not a go-to guy in the final minutes of a game. He, to me, is one of the most over-rated players in the league.
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I agree with all you are saying.
Except that he’s over rated. Howard’s impact on the defensive end is so much greater than the offensive offerings of a center like Nene that it’s not particularly close. And his offense is better. He gets like 22 a game on dunks and put backs, along with about 14 boards and 2+ blocks.
His game is so flawed from what it could be its hard to look at what it is, sometimes. Remember, he’s only 25. What he offers is tremendous, despite the flaws.
Honestly, the Rockets don’t need his offense, but they’ll get it anyway, because he doesn’t need plays run for him to score about 18.
Yes, against a true center like Yao he looks inept. Who fits that bill now? No one I can name offhand – Cousins if he can learn maybe. Howard, Gasol, Cousins and Bynum are the only centers worth breaking the bank on, and I’d think twice with Bynum given his injury history.
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You realized you essentiall described Shaq for a decent part of his career as well
and really, how many recent champion had a so called “2 way center” ?
They all leaned on the center as a defensive anchor more than anything, point could come from anywhere, but paint can only be controlled by one or 2 people
Wasn't Clyde a number 14
I might be wrong.
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by mjdinhouston on Nov 30, 2011 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
If I recall correctly, yes.
There’s 1, the NBA Draft has been instituted for how many years?
Also, in response to your question on Josh Smith below, they want to move him to allow Horford to go back to the 4 and save money.
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The equivalent of Durant won't be in there.
But among Drummond, Davis, Jones and others, there are some good bigs. A lot of good guards, too. In fact, it’s just stacked all around.
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This is a good class, or at least it looks to be.
It may well happen that we’re there. It may not. I think if we look to be headed to a high pick you help that along.
Of course you can tank it up and still get #8 pretty easily.
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Anyhow we have the Assets
Lakers get: Augustin/Diaw (bth expiring)
BOBcats get: Lee, Williams and Fisher
We get: Lamar Odom
Nets get: Scola (they are desperate to keep DWill around)
We get: Brook Lopez
Atlanta gets: Flynn, Morris, Hayes (anyone else they want) and hell a few draft picks
We get: Josh Smith
Why would they want to give up Smith
It doesn’t make sense. How would those three help Atlanta? Let me get this right. A straight up trade with NJ Scola for Lopez?
Why would the Lakers dump Odom and Fisher for two expiring contracts?
A lot of wishful thinking here.
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by mjdinhouston on Nov 30, 2011 7:36 AM CST up reply actions
Even if all that happened
A frontcourt of Smith, Odom, and Lopez would be terrible. Only one can shoot, pass, and rebound. And it’s the same guy.
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Damnit.
Just posted a similar fanpost on a similar topic. Not nearly as good as this either. Didn’t see this one posted.
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All content is useful man.
It’s guaranteed others bring more unique perspectives on topics than I do.
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Can I bring up a quick question?
Does Courtney Lee make Kevin Martin expendable, or does Kevin Martins age make him expendable?
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In my opinion, Kevin's skillset makes him expendable.
He’s one way and the only way this Rockets team succeeded last year was by outscoring opponents. If we can work a scheme in to start playing defense like we acknowledged it was part of the game, we could forfeit some of his point production (Clearly you’d like to see similar to retain an edge) for defense. In that view, Courtney does contribute to expendability but I would say it’s more on Kevin than Courtney. I love Martin too, so it’s tough for me to advocate for him to go but I think it’s best to cash in on him because he’s got a lot of appeal around the league but we’re headed in a different direction. He was acquired for an offensive minded team that would help Yao Ming get work done. Then he became a man who kept the Rockets going in their attempt to outscore opponents. Now we have McHale and developmental bigs.
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I'm afraid of injury
I mean, he stayed relatively healthy since becoming a Rocket, but one major injury for a formerly “injury-prone” guy and his trade value goes down a bunch. I agree, the Rockets need to sell high on this. I’m excited to see what we can grab in return.
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Well that argument can be used on anybody
Brandon Roy was on pace to become the next Kobe in my mind before he got his injury, but he had a reputation as having a fairly tough body, and no one thought this could have happened. Everyone is one major injury away from losing most of their market value, I dont think it just pertains to Martin.
True, but I was making a point that Martin has an injury-history.
He’s more susceptible to having one, at least that’s what history says.
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No injury worries here.
Most of his injuries were fluke. People need to look into the type of injury and the context rather than freaking out about non-issues.
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I believe people made this argument before
Martin’s injury history, the fact that he could still score at the level he does, were not debilitating. In fact I think most of them are freak injuries. He’s not fresh of key surgery or anything, and has been healthy getting as many touches as any #1 players in any team. I think any GM that would bring up his injury history would get thoroughly schooled
I agree.
Hard to say “Well, he’s chronically injured” when he hasn’t been in the past two years.
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Lee's balance of offensive and defensive performance makes Martin expendable.
Martin’s age isn’t as much of a factor as his style of play is.
Martin’s considered a defensive liability, that’s what hurts his value.
His offensive consistency will make him appealing to other teams that are strictly looking for a well-disciplined offensive weapon with good NBA experience. Plus, he’s most likely at the peak of his career and should stay at this level for another 3 years, that’s what helps solidify his high value in any trade – teams know exactly what they’re getting with him and how long it’s likely to last.
I think Morey’s prepared for any possible trade scenario that will secure the Rocket’s future.
He and many other GM’s have had more than enough time to map out different trade scenarios and if he’s convinced that trading Martin or Lee will better position the Rockets for success in the near future then it will be done.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
The thing with the Clippers,T-wolves and Wizards are
They really had to suck quite a few years before getting exciting again, there are just as much pretenders as the real thing at the top of the draft. Before you strike gold,you get stuck in this perpetual youth movement, ask Golden state. The bobcats has been pretty much consistently in the top half of the draft since entering the league, still no true franchise player. Thunders got real lucky, they could have easily end up with Greg Oden and still be in perpetual youth movement.
Now much of this has to do with poor management, which I have faith in Rockets’ , but the truth is you might get great talent with high draft picks, but they dont necessary turn out to be impact franchise players that you need. We might have to accept that 1 or 2 bad seasons are on the more optimistic spectrum.
That’s beside the point. I was pretty certain that the Rocket’s roster is about as fluid as any roster in the league, which is to say that pretty much everyone is available for trades and we’ve been in the rebuild path, and now that we dont have a Yao Ming in the back of our mind, that path is only more certain. Any restriction we had at the trade deadline last season was only due to the fact that we had a chance at the playoffs and the chances of getting the young player playoff experience outweighs a high draft pick in a draft with mostly mediocre talents.
I think Morey also has been trying to hit a different type of lottery by massing the former more or less labeled “bust” player, because the physical tools that got them into those high draft positions are still there, they might have just been in a bad situation, and all it really takes is for one of those bust to turn it around, and it’s a staple on the cheap
From Ric Bucher
“If Clips are offering EGordon/DeAndre Jordan and another piece (Bledsoe/Aminu/Minn’s 1st), that’s a better deal.” (talking about a trade for Chris Paul)
I take that deal if I’m either team. Holy cow
by twinkilling0303 on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 PM CST reply actions
No kidding
I was wondering earlier how the Clippers got that 1st round pick from Minny, because I was pretty sure I would’ve remembered if it was recent. Turns out it was a trade back in the summer of ‘05, when they dealt MARKO JARIC for Sam Cassell and a future first round pick. Good lord, talk about a major win…even if it’s 7 years down the line.
by twinkilling0303 on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Marc Stein and Chad Ford on ESPN.com
talking about the Nets offering Lopez, 2 1st Round picks, and are willing to take back the Turkoglu contract.
by twinkilling0303 on Nov 29, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
we can't compete with that **** either lol...
It’s time for a fire sale. Trade everyone!!!!!
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horrible trade for NJ
1) brook lopez can still get better, has a better inside scoring game, a better outside scoring game (since howard has none), and simply had a bad year on the glass. He also is a decent shot blocker, and a lane clogger.
2) dwill’s strengths passing the ball can be really taken advantage of with bigs that can pop instead of just rolling to the basket (forcing the double-team on the ball handler). howard will NEVER be a pick and pop guy.
seems to me that NJ needs a young Tayshaun Prince (someone who can score from just about anywhere and play defense on the perimeter) type more than the Dwight Howard part. They also need a bench, and a few more consistent 3 point shooters. They’re a work in progress, but don’t need to make the headline trade to get on the right track.
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I think DWill could set up dunks just fine.
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not if the defenders on the pick and roll just trap the PG
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I haven't seen Williams stopped all that often.
All you need on that team is a SG who can hit 3s and defenders.
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this trade would make us top 5
if we sign nene.. why not package scola, hill, and lee to the hawks for josh smith? they can replace crawford with lee and scola would be a good fit next to horford.. we got a highflying dunker/shot blocker next to nene and our froncourt problems are solved! line-up
lowry/dragic/flynn
kmart/twill
cbud/morris
smith/patterson
nene/thabeet/hayes if re-signed
because
1) atlanta is trying to cater to a guy like horford, who is a natural 4 not a 5.
2) Patterson has shown flashes of being a very talented player, so it seems like trades would be made to make way for him to play at the PF spot as a starter. Our biggest weakness is the SF. In the playoffs, who will guard Rudy Gay, Kevin Durant or Gerald Wallace?
3) what does atlanta, in general, gain from the trade. let’s look at their lineup after-the-fact
pg- hinrich
sg- johnson
sf- williams
pf- scola
c- horford
still looks like a team that maxes out at 2nd round of the playoffs that becomes worse defensively but maybe a little better offensively. How would that help them get past the tough-minded defensive teams like Miami, Chicago or Boston? They’d challenge NY or Orlando in a playoff series, or a bottom-feeder, but that’s about it.
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One thing about that deal
You could move Smith to the 3, his more natural position.
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by Patrick Harrel on Nov 30, 2011 1:04 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree
I believe that large part of Josh Smith’s success comes from the fact that he was moved to the 4 instead of the 3
When he realize that he was not that great of a 3 point shooter, or a shooter at all, and while explosive, not the greatest ball handler, and started utilizing his abilities in the paint was when he really made that stride
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And the trolling seems not to be emerging which is nice
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by Patrick Harrel on Nov 30, 2011 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
Just give me time.
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I'd rather describe this
as a post spree – it’s like u guys have so much to say, all at once! This might just be the most interesting season we’re getting, at least blog-wise :P
It is really great to be getting the great insight
all of you have. Let’s get the Rockets moving forward.
"Do not panic, all is well" Kevin Bacon in the parade scene in the movie Animal House
Durant is a freak of nature
being that tall and able to penetrate and hit the shot. It will not be many more like him coming out the draft, neither any more Wade or Lebrons type.These franchise types players are one of a kind alot of the first round picks never turn into superstars. Loosing or tanking a season promises nothing, this is not football, the nba still has the lottery balls. To think Martin and Scola, and even Lowry would even entertain the thought of tanking a season, at there point of there careers,they would probaly request a trade instead starting from scratch again. You also assume that all the other terrible teams like the Cavs,Toronto and others will really improve enough for our team will be at the bottom, please. The bottomline is with this team we will not get a top five pick, so i get it, we trade Martin and Scola, and go away from Moreys philosophy and get back in return two bad picks just to worsen our roster, to have a slim chance at a top five pick. It is easy for you people who have just started following the Rockets to say its ok to tank the season, for the true fans who have been watching for decades, we have been trying to rebuild since we won two titles and Hakeem went to Toronto, if winning championship is our main goal.
by since86rocketsfan on Nov 30, 2011 9:03 AM CST reply actions
Are people illiterate?
Where did I use the idea of tanking? Where did I say it guarantees anything? You can call yourself a true fan but I say you’re putting yourself before the team. I’d rather have the prospect of a title than continue to lie to myself about our odds. The “true fan” argument is just blowing smoke up your own ass, we’re all fans here, it’s why we waste our time here.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Im a fan im not on the
team so how am i putting myself before the team. This whole post is following up what Patricks post was talking about yesterday. If your plan is to let the youngsters play, that means you are in favor of trading Scola and Martin, or just not giving them any minutes, and that hurts the team. And somehow you believe your theory would result in a title, where is the substance behind it.
by since86rocketsfan on Nov 30, 2011 10:58 AM CST reply actions

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