Reality
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 1, 2011 6:39 PM CST
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PrintSurvivor has been on television since the early 1970s, at least it seems that way. D list celebrities from the 80's and 90's have their own tv shows. I hear there's a new show about baseball wives that involves a threat made with a dildo. Story lines might be conjured up but it's still reality. As the horrible saying goes, it is what it is.
The Rockets have their own reality show that will air 66 times as part of the shortened season we are in. There are many more questions around this team than answers, especially the direction of the franchise going forward. Will Luis Scola continue his steady play or will we see his skills diminish? Can Kyle Lowry keep up his 3 point shooting? Will Terrence Williams finally make it into an episode as a main attraction? Still plenty of questions about the young players and how it will all play out. There's a new coaching staff in town, will the gameplan be similar to years past?
Like every season, this season will be fun to watch. Nothing like before the start of a season where you have the hope of being a good team and making the fans proud by winning in the playoffs. While the season is finally approaching us, so is a harsh reality. The Houston Rockets aren't going to win a championship any time soon. I'm not just talking about this season, I'm talking about the 4 seasons after that. Maybe further down the road as well. Maybe that hasn't has set in for some fans, but I get the feeling some fans think they're close. I hate myself for thinking this way, because I love the organization. Yao Ming is one of my heroes. He's right up there with Eddie Vedder, McNulty from The Wire, and Conrad Murray in my book. The reason they won't win is a simple fact, they don't have the players.
We all know the names of the players that will always give their team a legit shot at a title. The Rockets don't have any of those players. They don't even have the pieces you need to put around great players, although you could argue for Martin or Scola. With the salary cap still in place, those players probably wouldn't be here if we ended up getting on of those "stars". Dwight Howard wants out of Orlando, while Chris Paul wants to leave Bourbon Street. Another reality, they aren't coming to Houston. You can work out any trade scenario you want, not happening. Houston is like a lot of other places, players will only want to come here when they know there's a real chance at a championship. (and a lot of money coming their way)
There are a lot of young and talented stars in the league right now. Soon enough you'll be able to count them all on a handful of teams as they join their buddies in big market cities. So what can the Rockets do while there's no opportunity to win at the moment? Rebuild. I don't mean cutting Thabeet and signing Nene, that's not enough tearing down to rebuild. Nene will continue the middle of the pack ways this franchise has been in for a long time. So if those stuck up superstars won't come to Houston, go get the next one coming through the draft. Find the Yao Ming that other great players would kill to play with. Search for your own superstar that will turn the franchise around for the next decade and beyond. Don't fall into thinking that we'll make that big trade, or that unrestricted superstar is going to come in and save the day. Those thoughts take you from dreams to reality, 9th seed in the West.
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I'm not sure the Rockets chances
of getting one of those guys through the draft is that much greater than through free agency/trades. From 2006-2010, how many players were drafted that could be the best player on a championship team? Durant, Rose, Griffin if he learns to play defense…I think that’s it. Love, Westbrook, maybe Wall, maybe maybe but probably not Aldridge could be the 1A guy. It’s too early, but I don’t think anybody from the 2011 draft has that type of potential. Are the chances of landing a Durant or Griffin really that much better if you tank than if you stockpile assets in hopes of pulling a KG or Gasol swindle?
It's a fair point
but you get enough of those 1A guys, I think you have a lot more options as a franchise.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 1, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
But even in that case,
you have to gut your team and get lucky to even get one of those players (maybe two in a good draft), and you’re still one guy away, plus role players (including a good defensive center). It could work. The Rockets could give away Scola and Martin for nothing, win the lottery, and draft Anthony Davis. But even if they lose 60 games, it’s more likely they get, say, the #3 pick. The last ten #3 picks. Enes Kanter, Derrick Favors, James Harden, O.J. Mayo, Al Horford, Adam Morrison, Deron Williams, Ben Gordon, Carmelo Anthony, Mike Dunleavy. How many of those players are worth tanking for?
I agree that you have to get the right guy in the draft
that a high pick doesn’t mean a great player, but that’s the job of the front office. Make the team better and find the great players. Maybe if Morey was in the 3 slot, he wouldn’t pick a guy like Adam Morrison. Although his hair is lovely.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 1, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
He looks like someone
it’s not coming to me though
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 1, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Tanking is the easy way...
any gm could “develop youngsters” which is code for “tanking.” Buiding through the draft isn’t full proof either. Is it the right way go go about things? If you’re Indiana, OKC, and Minnesota, then sure. But that’s not what should happen in Houston. No, Galveston Island doesn’t have white sandy beaches and this isn’t the city that never sleeps… That said, this isn’t Sacramento either. It’s been well documented about the cost of living, weather, and other tidbits which makes Houston home for tons of athletes. But look at this organization. The arena is great, the owner is great, the fans are great, and starting next fall along with the Astros, the Rockets will launch Comcast SportsNet Houston. Yes, a tv deal where the Astros and Rockets will own almost 80%. For those wondering, that is an unbelievable share, and rivals cities such as Boston and Chicago. I could ****ing be the GM of the Rockets and lose to win, any GM could do that. Morey’s challenge is to become a contending team while remaining competitive. It’s not like it’s impossible, it’s been done before. If you aren’t up to the challenge or believe you can’t do it, then get the **** out and bring back Carroll Dawson or hell anyone. Sorry about a little of a rant, but your post was well-written and I enjoyed reading it.
If you can feel them, they are real.
Thanks for the compliment
I don’t want to call it tanking, because I hate thinking of it like that. I don’t expect the players to not try, you know? But building through the draft and trading is what Morey wants to do, I don’t think you can build with the 14th pick every year. All of those reasons for being in Houston that you mentioned, I don’t think the “superstars” are persuaded by those things in Houston.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 1, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
in essence though....
let’s define “tanking” and ask ourselves this question. Is the current Rockets team bad enough to one of the leagues 5 worst teams? The answer to that is no. So no matter what, by default they aren’t going to be in the mix for a top 5 pick unless they could move up right? So how the heck are you going to build through the draft when your roster is, has been, and will continue to be competitive and more than likely around that .500 mark? You can add the Pattersons and Morris’, but you are going to be in the same spot. Part of my view is based on my general belief though, I’m a cut and dry person. Either it is or it isn’t.
If you can feel them, they are real.
Trade Martin or Scola
I know people don’t wanna hear that, but they are the only players we have that could bring back picks. Gives the team a good chance to look at all the power forwards, and look at Williams and Lee a lot more. That’s the only way to get them into the losing sweepstakes. I agree that with a team that has Lowry, Scola and Chuck Hayes…the team will always overachieve. But that puts us in the same boat we’ve been in.
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Til;dr, sorry
I’m sure I’ll finish it once I’m home.
This season is going to be a huge mess. This isn’t like Wade Phillips coming in and taking the defense from shit to gold. A new coach will change everything, and it will take time to figure it all out, without a trading camp or preseason.
by RedRowdy420 on Dec 1, 2011 9:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not quite sure who's reality we're in
Reality is that the Rockets are still actively attempting to get Nene, trade for Chris Paul, and probably involved in a number of other scenarios. Improbable still happens, I never thought the Jazz would trade Deron Williams for anything, or Celtics would give away their only advantage in Kendrick Perkins, but they still happen. While I’m not hanging my hopes on the improbable, I’m not dismissing the rockets effort in trying. It’s obvious that there’s more than one possible plan laid out in front of us right now. Problem is that we see every move as a singular isolated instance, but not make connection on the possibility that it might take multiple moves to achieve the end. Boston wasnt satisfied with just trading for Ray Allen, they traded for Kevin Garnett, too. To present a complete teardown and rebuild from the draft as the only reality, before the free agency even start, before a game is even played, seems to be limiting the possibility a bit. Kind of like saying you can only roll a snake eyes before even throwing the dice.
It's the job of the front office
to explore every opportunity. Only way one of those players comes to Houston, is by their choice. They decide where they end up. Unless these star players somehow come here out of the goodness of their hearts, and teams want our players in return…it’s not happening.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 2, 2011 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
is it reality or thinnly veiled defeatism?
Because we just think we know what we have, but reality is these are young player that can grow, some of them barely played, what do we really know about some of these players? We havent even watch a game or even a practice yet, under a new coach with new players, why go with the forgone conclusion of we’re not good enough?
Josh Smith was not an instant star, he was picked @ 17th. Danny Granger and David Lee 17th and 30th respectively, David West 18th pick, non-factor until his 3rd year.
Dont get me wrong, I know I’m not naming bonifide franchise players here, but outside of a freak draft class, 1 maybe 2 franchise player gets churned out per draft. Maybe this draft is the freak draft, and if that’s the case, why arent you advocating straight tanking? lets just straight up tank with Kevin and Luis and get the number 1 or 2 or 3 pick, wouldnt that be better than trading Martin and Scola and complementing this star we’re gonna draft with some unproven scrub?
On your last point
mainly because I don’t think those players will do it, and I don’t think anyone would ask them to. I would take the situation out of their hands and trade the two and get some valued picks in return if possible. I agree with you that some of the young players will grow, but they aren’t going to be as good as the guys you mentioned, we might have a pf that can get close. If we do have a player like that, wouldn’t it be great to put him with some young stars? Build for the future? Having a player like that stuck on a team with Martin and Scola as it’s best players, is just making sure we are in the hunt for 7th or 8th seed. By the way, thinly veiled defeatism is a great phrase. I think you win the point just for that alone.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 2, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
If all the Rockets were 29 I'd agree, we don't have the players.
But they aren’t. This is a team absolutely full of young players. And some of them will blossom. If 3+ players make the leap into fringe All Star range, Martin remains what he is, then this team is dangerous. Not a finals team maybe, but who knows, who the hell thought Dallas was a finals team? Aside from Dirk and the centers, which Mavs would you want?
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With Dirk they always had the hope of being a finals team
the surrounding pieces helped make it happen. We don’t have 3 players that will be superstars or even All Stars. I’d bet my life on it, they aren’t on our roster.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 2, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
Not to say they are bad players or anything
a few of them can be rotation pieces to something great.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 2, 2011 1:20 AM CST up reply actions
And I love them all
and root for them all. I don’t mean for all of this to sound as if I’m a Rockets hater. I guess you could just call me a pessimist.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 2, 2011 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
Don't be so sure about nobody being a possible star.
Really.
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I had an argument with someone about this on here a couple of days back.
No one had the Mavs winning last year before the playoffs started. They were the most popular first round upset pick against the Blazers and George Karl said he would prefer facing them.
If we get a solid center we can compete in the playoffs and anything can happen.
by VBG on Dec 2, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
In fairness....
They won 50 games again for the 11th straight season, so they didn’t quite fly under any radars. No, they weren’t the chic pick, but they weren’t chop liver either.
If you can feel them, they are real.
Good luck arguing it with him, he did it in the other thread too.
Entirely amorphous “I saw this” argument with no mind paid to independent thought. If you’re paid to say what ESPN or other outlets want you to say you apparently know better than anyone who actually watches the games.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Did you watch the Mavs – Lakers regular season game last year? The one they got crushed by 30 in? Right at the end of the season? When they had 3 players ejected and it looked like they had absolutely no shot at touching the Lakers?
I never said the Mavs were bad. But to say that they were favorites on the level of the Lakers, Heat, Bulls or even Celtics/Thunder is a stretch.
I don’t know what you mean by independent thought? You’re just writing revisionist history. It’s ridiculous.
I’ll use Vegas odds as an example. The Mavs were tied with the Magic and behind the Celtics, Heat, Bulls, Spurs, Lakers and Thunder.
The Mavs had lost in the first/2nd round of the playoffs for the past 4 years after winning 50 games and there didn’t seem to be any huge difference.
I’m honestly losing respect for you BD34. Your whole argument is lol, ESPN sucks and is wrong. lol, you have no thought. Show me something from before the playoffs that had the Mavs as a favorite.
by VBG on Dec 2, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
First thing to address is your level of respect for me in no way changes my opinions or alters my mood.
Second, the regular season isn’t indicative of playoff success, is it? If that were the case the number 7 and 8 seed would never advance, which has happened.
Third, you cite everyone’s darlings coming off the heels of either massive hype or historical deference. Case in point:
The Lakers – Defending Champions
Heat – Biggest splash in free agency, All-Hype Team 2010
Bulls – Hype surrounding having the MVP plus acquisition of Boozer and Thibs
Celtics – Historical deference and not counting Allen/Pierce/Garnett out
Thunder – Everyone’s pick for sexy young team
The Spurs and the Mavs don’t get mentioned as “favorites” every year but they’re always there. As for Vegas odds, I’m ok with Vegas making odds, they also put it at a massively high likelihood that the Heat were NBA champions before a single game of basketball ever took place and how did that work out?
The Mavs did lose in the first or second round but that never took away from their ability to challenge. The addition of Tyson Chandler was precisely what they needed if you looked at their roster. Does neglect of this fact make your argument valid, because it must be ignored in order to give you any legitimacy. Tyson Chandler fixed the most gaping hole on that team and there was a motivating factor behind facing the Heat.
At the end of the day, numbers are fun, numbers are good, and analysts on national media circuits are actually paid to have an opinion that sells. When you forsake any independent thought in the process and decide to regurgitate popular sentiment you lose the ability to critique anyone who disagrees with you because they saw something that wasn’t crammed down your throat from other sources.
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by BD34 on Dec 2, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok.
My argument is no one thought the Mavs (outside of diehard Mavs fans) were gonna win the championship.
I’m including bloggers. But I guess everyone who picked against the Mavs was biased… but that’s every blogger and analyst.
I’m curious did you watch the Mavs – Lakers game at the end of the season? The Mavs didn’t show anything which put them above the Lakers.
Yeah some ESPN members and analysts do care about selling papers more than beign truthful but some of them are brutally honest.
And yeah Vegas was wrong but it reflects popular opinion and sharp money. And popular opinion was that the Mavs were not going to win the title. And NBA sharps who are the least biased people didn’t think the Mavs would win.
I saw the Mavs as a title contender.
If you’re looking for one person to have seen it, several did.
As for popular opinion, if that is your weather vein of truth, then I’m happy I tend to be wrong. Popular opinion tends to suck.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Ok, I’m gonna ask you before I ever put money on games.
It’s always easy to say a team was awesome after they win it all.
Especially if you saw the Mavs play and lose to the Nuggets, Blazers and get killed by the Lakers at the end of the season. I mean the Mavs were 1 – 9 against the last 10 Western Conference playoff teams they faced before the playoffs.
But of course you thought that they were more than a dark horse contender and a favorite to win the title.
Because I am blessed with the gift of eyesight I saw a Dallas team that had injuries and new players to integrate.
I also saw one of the best PF’s in the league, one of the best defensive centers in the league, one of the league’s best PGs in its history, sparkplugs off the bench in JJ Barea and Jason Terry, and a general commitment to getting it done this year. I hate to disappoint you but the Mavs had clearly reconcilable hiccups along the way to their title run but to have doubted their talent is downright naive.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Jason Kidd was completely washed up during the regular season.
Barea looked mediocre.
You’re just spouting shit that happened in the playoffs when everything clicked suddenly.
They lost Caron Butler.
General commitment to getting it done this year? They were almost exactly the same as teh past 10 years.
Revisionist history at its finest.
I’m not sure whether you actually watched the Mavs in the regular season any more. I love how you ignore every piece of evidence I’ve posted showing that the Mavs were surprising.
I give up.
I love how you cite general "experts" and Vegas odds as evidence.
I didn’t know since86 made a new account to be butthurt from.
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by BD34 on Dec 2, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, all this regular season stuff you're spouting...
I’m notorious for saying the regular season doesn’t matter once the post season begins. You may not like that because your entire argument is based on the regular season.
Like I said HISTORICALLY JK is one of the best, his season wasn’t an indicator of how clutch and good the man is.
Caron Butler got hurt, didn’t really replace the fact that Jason Terry is better and a bench guy.
Commitment to getting it done, this year was their last shot, clearly they HAD to commit to it.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Everything you’re saying is so completely revisionist.
They did not look like a title contendor at the end of the regular season.
I used an NBA coach, Yahoo experts, Vegas experts, ESPN experts, NBA bloggers, THE ACTUAL RESULTS OF GAMES to show that they weren’t playing well.
Wasn’t this the Spurs and Celtics last chance too?
I don’t even know who the hell this since86 is.
So regular season doesn’t matter.
Previous post season results don’t matter.
All that matters is after the event happen you justify why it happened and act is though you knew it was gonna happen all along.
Whatever. It really doesn’t matter what evidence I come up with since you just say its crap.
Commitment to getting it done is just hilarious. It made me laugh. I dunno if you’re serious about that. They were commited this year so they won.
What coaches, what experts, what results?
You’re not speaking in specific terms. If I tell you “some people” to justify my stance, I’m just as specific as you and wrong for all the same reasons. You can’t use vague anecdotes and generally horrible support to assume you were correct.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Not to mention all of your 'evidence' is opinion based.
What makes anyone’s opinion more valid? The hype machine?
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
My evidence of them being 1-9 in their last 10 games against Western Conference opponents?
Or them losing to the Lakers in a huge game by 30?
Or an NBA playoff coach wanting to face the Mavericks?
But yeah your “commitment to just getting it done” is so factual. What exactly are the facts you’re using?
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Actual Result of games – Actual result of Games
Yahoo Experts – http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_playoff_predictions_2011_041511
Too tired to find ESPN experts.
I can’t find the odds right now but the Mavs were tied with the Magic and were after the Lakers, Heat, Bulls, Thunder, Spurs and Celtics.
Your argument is they were the team of destiny or some bullshit. That everything made sense for them to win. That’s complete revisionism.
I wouldn't expect for you to find any sense in my argument that you're failing to carry proof.
The roster was good, it had some hiccups, but a sincere evaluation of the roster once it got healthy conveyed a scary team. Your inability to appreciate that because of Vegas odds, a coach’s response, and some bad games is just asinine. Even the Timberwolves win a couple games each season, why can’t a title contender lose a few?
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-TCWIR paraphrased
So I’m not allowed to use actual games against playoff opponents as a barometer of how good a team is?
I’m supposed to ignore Jason Kidd looking washed up? That they needed JJ Barea as a spark with Roddy injured? That Shawn Marion who had looked mediocre for over a year was gonna be rejuvinated in the playoffs?
The team losing its starting SF and one of their best two way players wouldn’t hurt?
And most importantly, that they would get past the Lakers?
To me the Mavs are a lot like the 49ers of this football season. Very similar roster. A couple of additions. Maybe they win their division if everythign goes well. But 9-2? Wow.
by VBG on Dec 2, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
If you enjoy having conversations that didn't even exist, that's cool, just don't try to impute your mischaracterizations as my words.
Factor it in, don’t let it be dispositive.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Just find me some non-Mavs diehards who thought the Mavs would make it to the Finals and/or win it all and I’ll shut up
no one saw it coming....
I didn’t think they had a prayer in the series against LA and if they play that series again I don’t think they win. LA squandered a huge lead in game 1 and the media got the best of the Lakers and they folded fast and got swept. Also, I am enough of a homer to say that if Houston was to make the 8th seed….. Given how they were playing after the all-star break 17-8 and how SA was playing late in the year and how they played in the first round… I will still say that Houston would have taken that series deep, maybe won it.
But the fact of the matter remains… Houston is far from Dallas. Besides having Chandler, they have a star, and several role players who are clutch. They have also played in tons of playoff games throughout their career.
If you can feel them, they are real.
I think plenty of people had the Mavs in the running.
Portland, however, was a popular upset pick.
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People who want to rebuild say trade
Martin and Scola. But if we trade them will Morey take back two worse players then those two to help our team get a high draft pick. The answer is no, ok so Morey will trade them for two high draft picks. That means we keep Martin and Scola the whole year and then try to trade them right before the draft, because we will not know until then the draft order. But lets remember we tried to move Martin for a top draft pick last year and every team we asked wanted there pick.Morery has tried the last five years to move up in the draft with no suceess. People think a lot of high draft picks equal future succes, and it does not look at Minn,toronto,Ind and other terrible teams who have sucked for along time, piled up numerous draft picks and are still very far from beig a contender. Its about that great talent being available in the draft, an how that player fits in our system. The most logical choice with an emerging Patterson, and Hayes who we should bring back is to move Scola. We also have to get a center so either Jordan,nene, or Dalembert, the main thing is we have to choose one, because we dont have alot to choose from. then maybe another trade maybe for an allstar player, you have to remember having a Nene or some decent center looks better when you are trying to get an allstar to play for us, instead of having Hayes as ur center and Thabeet the backup. The new trend is talent playing with talent, not talent trying to do it by thereselves.
by since86rocketsfan on Dec 2, 2011 8:38 AM CST reply actions
All kinds of no.
1.) How do you know we tried to move Martin for a high draft pick and the content of those negotiations. Source please. Unless you’re Rockets front office, that information isn’t widely disseminated.
2.) High picks do tend to equal success. Bad management tends to lead to frittering away of those assets. You cite teams with notoriously poor management, which tempers, if not defeats your entire theory. If I give a baby raw materials I get nothing but drool on them, if I give a brilliant man those same materials, they can be anything. Your example is talking about throwing pearls before swine.
3.) Emerging Patterson? He had a good rookie campaign, so didn’t Budinger and it didn’t show a consistent second year. I’m a huge believer in Patterson but he needs to show me sustained improvement, same with Lowry.
4.) I agree with moving Scola, he’s the odd man out on a rebuilding roster stacked with PFs.
5.) When it comes to centers, why squander the money it will take to acquire centers who in no way, shape, or form, will be worth the money when we can check in house talent and draft for it this season? It’s the exact situation that landed us in the lockout in the first place, stupid spending on players who didn’t warrant the money because people got desperate. It’s best not to get desperate and drop the 13-15 million it will take to get Nene (If he doesn’t sign for less for a team like the Heat).
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-TCWIR paraphrased
First of all
we have to get a center, get it thru your head, we do not have one. I have mentioned multiple centers every discussion and all you want to do is bring up Nene. Start bringing something to the discussion instead of corny jokes like what center we should get then. Or let me guess you still believe Hayes and Thabeet is a good center combination. I am tired of debating with you, giving facts and trying to give a solution to improve our team, where all you do is coatail what others say without a possible solution to help out our team. Look at everybodys comments above and it is talking what direction our team should go and look what you post" Good Luck arguing with him he did it in the other thread too". What did you bring to the post, nothing as usual. Our front office has contacted Nene;s agent,Dalemberts agent, as well as other centers agents, so its just not me who thinks we need a center. Everbody knows Morey was trying to move up in last years draft as well as the previous four, and Martin was offered for Minny’s number two pick. Just because you did not hear about it, like alot other nba news does not mean it did not happen. Man please step your game up, it is clear that you know very little about the Rockets and the nba with your responses.
by since86rocketsfan on Dec 2, 2011 10:08 AM CST reply actions
You really don't read anything ever, do you?
I have entire write ups about what to do and I know we need a center. All of the claims you made are completely erroneous and downright laughable. You’re going to say “Bring something to the discussion.” but you never do. You’re the same broken record time and time again, make accusations, talk down to anyone who disagrees, and then if all else fails, attack them personally. It contributes nothing.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Also, use the reply feature, it's clearly marked and makes conversations easier.
And the reason I “always bring up Nene.” is because he’s the one that’s the topic of conversation. Just because the only available FA centers are going to be overpriced doesn’t mean they’re worth the paycheck. It’s moronic to assume that anyone other than the two RFAs could be a worthwhile (long term) investment at the price they’ll command.
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Damn...this is like watching debate class...
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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM CST reply actions
I’ll be honest. Debating with BD34 reminded me of something I read recently.
The more you try and educate yourself on a subject, the more of an extremist you become because you are likely to always first look for evidence that supports your initial belief.
I think that is kind of true with our argument.
It's called the backfire effect.
I also hate to disappoint you but from my mock trials and everything I’ve had to do this semester you’d get mopped up with if this had any significance.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Keep your head buried in the sand.
It’s flattering for you.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
It’s sad that the lawyer has to resort to petty insults because his argument has circumstantial evidence that only makes sense if you know the result.
Did you think the Mavs were gonna beat the Lakers? Honest response. Because I thought they had no shot
by VBG on Dec 2, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Nice backhanded response, don't sink to the level you wish to condemn.
If anything my argument was proven. That the Mavericks were title contenders last year. Did they win? Yes.
Did I think they’d beat the Lakers? When Kobe’s knee started to go, anything was possible for that Lakers team to fall apart.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I still don’t think they looked like a title favorite before the playoffs. But yes, they clearly were good enough to win.
by VBG on Dec 2, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
And that's all I've been saying all along.
They weren’t favorites but they were contenders. Good enough to do it. We made progress.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Good, because this type of thing is starting to piss me off.
Debates are fine. A flurry of insults in the comment titles takes it too far. Stop.
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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Dec 2, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Ok this is bordering on absurd guys
You know it’s bad when I’m the voice of reason, so come on… The dead horse has been beaten enough here.
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 2, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
True. I’ll stop. We stopped making progress a while ago.
by VBG on Dec 2, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Oh how I miss TDS arguments
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