Lakers "Pulled Out"; Rockets Left Wondering What If
by Patrick Harrel on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 PM CST
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PrintThe final domino finally fell. The Lakers, fed up with the NBA's demands which they couldn't meet, pulled out of the deal and will instead trade Lamar Odom to the Mavericks. With that, the Rockets pursuit of Pau Gasol appears to be dead. Again.
ESPN's Marc Stein was the first to report it, and he bluntly said:
Sources say Lakers have pulled out [of] three-team trade for Chris Paul.
This emotional roller coaster for fans, players, and executives culminated in nothing, no star for Houston, no twin towers in the middle, just a heap of mediocrity and a leading scorer alienated by his front office.
When a Rockets executive said on Thursday night that the veto of this deal set the Rockets back three years, he was not exaggerating. After it became abundantly clear that the Yao-McGrady era was not going to bear fruit, everything the Rockets did was building to this day. And the Rockets nearly rebuilt their squad to a contender in the Western Conference in spite of overwhelming adversity, only to reach this day where a heavy-handed Commissioner killed all chances.
Stern's arrogance to think that the Lakers and Rockets would just take this deal because they needed it so badly is painfully similar to this same arrogance we all saw when he made ultimatum after ultimatum during the lockout. Just like it did months ago, his arrogance blew up in his face.
By trying to screw over the Lakers and keep them from creating a "super team," he may have helped them find their next young star. With the conclusion of tonight's talks, the Lakers are reportedly focusing their efforts on acquiring Dwight Howard, the most attractive trade target in the NBA. Instead of landing Paul and patching together a front court, the Lakers can now maintain a balanced roster and land the best center in the world. Sure, Derek Fisher isn't the greatest point guard, but I could start for them and they could still win some games.
For the Rockets, now what? They have a brooding shooting guard in Kevin Martin who may not be happy staying in town, a roster full of good role players and no stars, and a decent amount of cap room. Do they go the Dalembert route and give him his 2 years and $18 million, or do they say to hell with it and blow it up?
Or, do they take a gamble and get in on the Chris Paul trade discussions and try to bring the star point guard to Houston? With Los Angeles and New York both positioning themselves to go after other players, two of Paul's preferred destinations are now impossible to go to next summer in free agency. Could the elimination of these two suitors bring the Rockets back into the extension conversation? Perhaps not, but it's definitely an avenue worth exploring.
No matter what happens, the Rockets chances at great things this season and the next took a huge hit tonight. So please David, just go retire or something.
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Thank you for not getting that wanker Gasol, He sucks.
Scola is more valuable than Gasol!
by ursus arctos horribilis on Dec 12, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
What I learned today?
Not to get excited or take “sources” seriously till its confirmed…and fuck David Stern.
by rocketsfanfromseattle on Dec 10, 2011 11:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I am watching Sonicsgate right now
This news makes me want to organize a protest against David Stern…OCCUPY TOYOTA CENTER!
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 10, 2011 11:32 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
He needs to be fired asap.
by rocketsfanfromseattle on Dec 10, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree the man only cares about money
If anything goes against a higher profit margin for him BOOM…no go. We watch him dictate how every aspect of the game is run so he and the owners can line their pockets with complete disregard for the people that actually support the league. Idk, all this speculation about the trade watching it die and knowing it was completed 48 hours ago pisses me off. I guess Martin and Scola have seen Morey’s hand, and right now it looks like a pair of 2’s…technically a 2 and a 3
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 10, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK
by chrisjay84 on Dec 10, 2011 11:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
#SecedeFromNBA
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
by f22a4bandit on Dec 10, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It happens :)
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
by f22a4bandit on Dec 11, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
This is better...
…than us sweetening the offer any more. We were giving up enough as it was. We didn’t need to be sending Patterson and/or Lee, as well. I just hope Martin and Scola’s relationship with the team hasn’t been irreparably damaged…
Damn this sucks for the whole West.
I really thought this was a bad trade for the lakers, and while I dont care for the Rockets, I really hate the Lakers. Also does this mean Kevin Martin is now on the trade block for everyone, cuz I would really love a kevin martin for Al jefferson trade.
by Jazz and Ducks on Dec 10, 2011 11:41 PM CST reply actions
To be fair
Big Al played with the dysfunctional timberwolves and then an even more dysfunctional jazz team dealing with a Sloan/Williams power struggle.
by Jazz and Ducks on Dec 10, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Thats true
but i still dont see him becoming a leading part of a championship team
Good point
You guys would have a decent overall team with depth tho, kind of like your 08 team? the one that pushed the lakers to 7 games and beat the blazers.
by Jazz and Ducks on Dec 10, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
minus Yao...
a team can only go that far without a center
yes, sign me up....
ive said since the McHale hire that a reunion between player and coach was inevitable. Also, Flynn and big Al had a little sumthin sumthin going for a while in Minnesota. (Trust me on that one).
If you can feel them, they are real.
Fuck the Jazz :)
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by CFHTim on Dec 11, 2011 2:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont want to see another season a few games out of the playoffs
Lets save the cap space, trade scola, and hope we get a good pick next year.
well ya see the thing is...
Denver’s going to suck.
NOLA is going to suck.
This team is too caught up in the middle to either tank or contend. Blow this mother up!!
If you can feel them, they are real.
Ok now
I’’m sad we did not Get Pau Gasol but we need to move on
and get this guy
Nene
But how?
I thought acquisition of Nene predicated upon dumping Martin and Scola…
Trade martin for Jefferson then sign Nene
Man that would be great.
by rocketsfanfromseattle on Dec 10, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, I want to pay 18 million to a guy whose deficiencies we can't cover up!
Horrible idea without a complimentary signing.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
You know what? Good.
Fuck it all. I’m a spiteful SOB, so if it comes down to Stern looking like a total jackass and fuckup, all the better.
Pau didn’t want to come here anyway, so we don’t have to deal with him pouting for a month or so.
We don’t have to lose the original offer+ (and that + is still a big what if, could have been PatPat or worse…)
by yeahriles on Dec 10, 2011 11:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Adolf Stern
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 10, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
yes we need to
get excited about Jefferson. he would be a nice player here.
If you can feel them, they are real.
get excited for what?
al cominghere is just speculation on this site, not anything said from sources right?
I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
As pissed as everyone is with Stern and what not...
what about the hypocricy of Cuban? Seriously, whine and cry because the Lakers could have gotton a deal that could potentially move them under the cap… And then you trade a TPE a la caproom to the Lakers for mr. lamar kardashian #karmasabitchcuban!
If you can feel them, they are real.
He's still just an owner.
the Commish is supposed to be the buffer to their pussery.
Lakers and Rockets fan here; I don't bite
If I’m Chris Paul, I say I want to play in Cleveland. Get Gilbert to trade for me and then do The Decision II. #Pow
by David G. on Dec 10, 2011 11:51 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I want Baron Davis...
;To Make the decision: NBA or Donuts+Retirement.
man
How sad and cruel the life of a rockets fan is. _
I can't fuckin believe this.
We go from a top 3 team in the West back to an average team.
David Stern will never ever ever stop pissing on us. Hope his ass gets canned. Worst commish in the history of sports, by far. And not just because of this incident.
On the bright side, we get to keep all of our young players.
I hope we end up dealing Martin. I could live with keeping Scola, though.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 10, 2011 11:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
All we can hope is that the offseason isn't over yet...
Still more to come, let’s hope.
Clippers baby... Stein Tweet
Sources close to the situation tell ESPN that Clippers have emerged as “early frontrunner” to acquire CP3 now that Lakers out of running
If you can feel them, they are real.
that would help out competitive balance...
Im sure Stern would approve the first trade that came along.
If you can feel them, they are real.
Well
Instead of Gasol, You guys get Deandre Jordan?
by Jazz and Ducks on Dec 10, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh.
Talk about a let down. Overpaying for Jordan just because we can’t get Gasol. I’d hate Stern even more, if that were possible.
No.
Likely getting Dalembert now that the deal is off.
He’ll be a decent center for us until we find a permanent replacement via the draft or trade.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 10, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
im about tired of hearing the word 'trade' for about a month
so pissed at this asenine process by david hitler
I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
No
The Warriors signed him to an offer sheet. We’re out.
Check out The Dream Shake.
by Patrick Harrel on Dec 10, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
I thought it was Jordan the Warriors offered a deal.
BTW,it appears the three teams resubmitted a new version and Stern swatted it away,causing the Lakers to go after Howard instead.
It was Jordan with an offer, not Sammy D
"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant
Eat me, David Stern.
by Christopher H on Dec 11, 2011 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
Offer sheet will be presented to DeAndre tomorrow
So it ain’t a done deal yet.
And if GSW think they’re in the running again for CP3, they could presumably think twice about the offer.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 11, 2011 2:20 AM CST up reply actions
One LA to another LA
But this LA (clippers) got this guy
Blake Griffin
Wow if this deal come true i can see many alley oops in a season
The choice of rebuilding now arises once again.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
It's the only option we have left.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 10, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
The worst part:
All the talk on ESPN will be of NO and LA. No mention of how the Rockets got screwed the worst.
The smart NBA writers are sendng Rockets fans their condolences on twitter.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 11, 2011 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
If that deal wasn't good enough for CP3 by the NBA's standards.
Then CP3 is playing this season in New Orleans, unless the Clippers decide to give them Eric Gordon.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
I know our teams have a rivalry and stuff
But damn I wanted that trade to happen for the inevitable Gasol Vs Lakers in the playoffs, and gasol putting up a 30-15 on the laker frontcourt of Derek Caracter and the limping Bynum, It would of been sweet.
by Jazz and Ducks on Dec 11, 2011 12:03 AM CST reply actions
It is what it is.
I don’t quite hate the Jazz like I used to when the team was full of floppers, and guys like Jerry Sloan encouraged it. Sloan is an all-time great, but he encouraged flopping, so I can’t respect him. That’s just from a biased Rockets fan, though.
Funnily enough, both of our teams in rebuilding mode. You guys have some great prospects in Favors and Burks, while we have guys like Patterson, Morris, and T-Will.
Be interesting to see which franchise bounces back more quickly.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 11, 2011 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
I think it depends
on which team can get better deals for their vets. Based of this near trade it looks like you guys can get a pretty good haul with your vets, im interested in seeing what Big Al and Milsap could bring in the trade market.
by Jazz and Ducks on Dec 11, 2011 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
I think we'll get a late first rounder for Martin, at best.
Scola might have the same value. Don’t care if we move him, though. Much more concerned about Martin. He needs to go ASAP.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 11, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
What about Rudy Gay.
Kevin Martin and Twill/Jordan Hill for Gay would help Memphis have more space for Gasol, while still getting solid talent.
by Jazz and Ducks on Dec 11, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
No,
that’s not happening.
At this point, I can see the Bulls going after Martin, since we’re likely going to be shopping him. They’ll likely have a late first round pick in next year’s draft, so I can see us trading Martin or the pick (and maybe a second, since Chicago’s desperate for a SG).
All speculation right now until another team shows interest. But my money’s on Chicago.
As for Gay, that’s not happening.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 11, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Bulls re gonna sign Hamilton
As a FA, no need for them to give up a pick
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Dec 11, 2011 1:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Minnesota again
Martin goes to Minn for Pekovic,Wesly Johnson and the Memphis 2013 Minn has.
Morey then uses the extra cap room to offer Marc Gasol or Jordan a massive deal and hope Memphis/Clips blink.
Altho I wouldn’t be surprised to see Morey try to get into a Clips/NO deal. Martin to NO,Kaman and his one yr to Houston,bits and LA pieces to NO and esp the Minn 2012 Clips have. Meh.
Dude, for real?
The guy was 9th in the league in scoring last year!!!
Yes, for real. Martin is a 1 dimension SG who is crying in the Houston roster.
You move that kind of guy and you can replace a defensive liability pretty easily, you’ve watched the Rockets for 3 years, right?
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Do you not watch any of the interviews?
Or are you watching the ones from when he got traded here. Really curious that people will dig deeper than they should on everything but on Martin? Nah, screw it, we want to like him.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
He's been showing frustration in his recent interviews.
He should take a lesson from Scola, and say It’s not bothering him even if it is. Causes a bad locker room feel.
I'm somewhat glad the Lakers pulled out.
We were about to give up young players along with the other guys to get Gasol. Was never a fan of doing that.
If we can deal Martin and sign Dalembert, I’ll be satisfied with our off-season.
We can now sign Morris and get him in camp.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
I just don't know what to think. Morey has to be infuriated
I’m shocked at how all of this has gone
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 11, 2011 12:06 AM CST reply actions
Stern's drunk on power
im half ass drunk on jd and coke.
goodnight everyone
If you can feel them, they are real.
Jesus
I spent ten minutes on Clutchfans just now. Longest year of my life. I think my eyes started to bleed.
I'm confused
The Lakers are the pussies. How can a pussy “pull out”?
I hate david stern!
by batman713 on Dec 11, 2011 12:30 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem with the Lakers
League kept upping the demands, and they decided it wasn’t worth it and set their sights on a younger, more valuable player that they could acquire without league involvement. Seems like a prudent strategy.
Check out The Dream Shake.
by Patrick Harrel on Dec 11, 2011 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Well I for one am happy
Not giving up Martin, Scola, Dragic, + picks, + unnamed younger players for one Pau Gasol and the hopes of landing a player like Nene. In my mind, way too much and it gives way to a lot of uncertainty and other holes in the lineup.
by Gribbs on Dec 11, 2011 12:52 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well I am glad that you will be happy
since the Rockets are going to be mediocre and most everyone else will be unhappy.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
There's still plays to be made
Knowing Morey I’m sure he has a Plan B, but who knows…who knows
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 11, 2011 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
There're*
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 11, 2011 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
He was seriously talking about quitting
I wouldn’t be shocked if he actually did it. And I wouldn’t blame him.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
Per Jonathan Feigen:
He’s not. He is probably breaking things. RT @ChrisCJackson: @Jonathan_Feigen What about Morey? Reports were he was considering resigning.
Last season of his contract anyways
He might not have to worry about resigning, if he can’t make some big moves before March 15th, Leslie will do the favor for him
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 11, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say I wanted him to
But we know Les is an owner that’s dedicated to winning, I hope Darly can pull a rabbit out of his ass for all of our sakes
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 11, 2011 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
Daryl* I hate my phone's keyboard
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 11, 2011 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
Daryl has pulled enough rabbits.
T-Mac trade being the biggest one. None of this is Daryl’s fault. He made the trade and was set to sign Nene when Stern bent us over. There is literally nothing he could have done other than mortgage our future for Gasol and I’m glad he didn’t panic and do that.
No blame should fall on Daryl. It is all squarely on Stern and the NBA owners.
Agreed, if i was a GM i would have no hair on my head with the way things have been going
All we can do now is prepare to drunkenly revel in the joy of the Texans’ playoff berth tomorrow
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 11, 2011 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
Y'all keep saying things about the Texans'
locking up a playoff spot tomorrow as if Cincy is a lock to roll over. This game will be tough, and there’s a fair chance we could lose. I would feel better if the game were at home.
"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant
Eat me, David Stern.
by Christopher H on Dec 11, 2011 1:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would feel better if Andre was there
Cincinnati’s secondary is atrocious
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 11, 2011 2:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well that's good
he isn’t quitting, he is just stuck being the GM of a franchise that is going nowhere because Stern is an asshole.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
You don't know that
You also don’t know that if the deal did go through and maybe lucky enough to land someone like Nene, we don’t know how well we would be. We could be mediocre again! Or worse.
Of course we don't know how things would actually turn out.
But one thing is true: If you do nothing, then nothing will come from it.
You rolled the bones, Daryl. Not your fault. Roll ’em again if you get the chance.
"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant
Eat me, David Stern.
by Christopher H on Dec 11, 2011 2:02 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
I don’t see how Gasol auto makes us contenders.
"Walter is a quality 2nd receiver. Jacoby is so bad that the two of them together is less than just Walter by himself." -Toolshed1
by RocketsAstros on Dec 11, 2011 4:47 AM CST up reply actions
The saddest part about this whole situation
We lost chuck Hayes because of all this mess Man FUCK DAVID STERN!!
by TheDream34 on Dec 11, 2011 1:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions
We lost him because he got paid 5 mil a year and he's not worth it.
That has nothing to do with this trade. It has more to do with the fact that Sacramento has to overpay to reach the salary floor.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Take of this what you will:
ConnorHuchton: But I feel bad for Rockets’ fans. The good news, as several have said, is that it’s likely they’ll be involved in a Dwight-Lakers trade.
I can't take too much more of this off/on thing before I stroke out or something.
This whole process, something supposed to be exciting, has become nauseating and depressing.
"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant
Eat me, David Stern.
by Christopher H on Dec 11, 2011 1:56 AM CST up reply actions
David Stern will hoping be off and on in San Quentin when my lawyers finish with him.
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The rockets are looking more screwed than Charlie Bell right now
And they are going to be involved in an Orlando – Lakers trade how exactly?
Frances Amthor: I think you're a very stupid person. You look stupid, you're in a stupid business, and you're on a stupid case.
Philip Marlowe: I get it. I'm stupid Farewell My Lovely (1975)
And in this vein I get what I want how I want it because I am the customer. You might want to remember that you thieving scumbag mongrel bitches.
nate21h@evilcowtowninc.com
The Rockets take on salary with that trade, amnestying Thabeet wouldn't free up enough room.
Make sure you know the numbers before you talk about it. The Paul three way trade had the Rockets shedding 4 million or so in salaries, the trade you posted has the Rockets adding ~1 million in salary.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I think Jordan Hill is involved in any trade with the magic.
by Camouflage14 on Dec 11, 2011 3:01 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, great...
…we get over the hill Steve Blake, Orlando goes to the finals.
Yea, Orlando without Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson goes to the finals with Martin, Scola, Dragic, and Andrew "OH GOD MY KNEES" Bynum.
Come on man, be real. That line up doesn’t even beat Boston let alone get past the Heat.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Not sure why everyone is so depressed?
There are still many ways we could get better in the front court. We could just try to get dalembert and nene or the other gasol and nene. We could find somewhere to dump martin and scola. Even just dalembert would be an improvement. Also, we may mix into lakers trade for howard!
by UTDEEZY08 on Dec 11, 2011 2:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions
still depressed...
Mavs are going after Dalembert too.. and I’m not exactly enthused by the prospect of paying $9MM/yr for him.
Don’t have the cap room for Nene.. And for max contract, he’s not worth it anyway. You might be willing to overpay for Nene/Gasol, but not by himself.
Who would you want from the Lakers that Orlando wouldn’t want? You think Orlando wouldn’t want Bynum in a Dwight Howard trade?
There is some hope that Clippers look to dump Chris Kaman when they match GSW’s offer for DeAndre.
Kaman… yeah, still depressed.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 11, 2011 2:32 AM CST up reply actions
and... still depressed
Memphis will match whatever you offer Marc Gasol
Even Biedrins… GSW say they won’t use amnesty.
Maybe facilitate a 3-way for Dwight to go to the Nets, getting Brook Lopez?
Brook Lopez… Yeah, still depressed.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 11, 2011 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
Kevin Pelton:
Daryl Morey is like Charlie Brown. Just when he’s about to get that star player …
I hate david stern!
Tank! Tank! The only way we can re-build is to get a high lottery pick since no free agent wants to come to HOU with our line-up as is.
We will be limbo for a few years but surely it would be better than being screwed by the league itself just like we just were.
Let’s keep Scola and trade KMart.
Ah but be careful, as I have been pelted with before!
The Timberwolves, Wizards, and various other poorly run teams are bad and draft high, therefore it’s got to be true that if you draft high you will always be bad because scouting departments, competent management, and the random aspect of the draft are all things that either don’t exist or completely destroy any possibility of things working out!
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Right on
“high draft picks seldom work out!”. Everyone always brings up the bad but never Tim Duncan, Yao, etc, etc.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Can I just say I'm a major fan of you? Hah. You glorious bastard.
Also, I checked your profile, Chargers fan? I hope my Bills break this 5 game skid today at your expense.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Just seen your post
Sorry for the spanking because I really like you guys, but on a positive note; Fitz’s lumberjack beard is f^&cking glorious. I mean that ish, it is.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
I wish his ability to connect with our f*cking receivers was.
Apparently it is not to be. Hope we draft a pass-rush OLB in the first, swap in to get a QB in the 1st or take whoever is hanging out in the 2nd. This team made strides this year but we need a better pass rush, corner play, and quarterback.
Also the coach needs to take his head out of his ass and understand Spiller can be extremely useful.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I don't like him as the #1 back, but he should have more touches.
He’s a fire cracker like player who can break off a big play which you already know. When Fred Jackson was healthy he should’ve been getting 8-10 carries a game with a screen play or 2.
Fred Jackson was a freakin' animal this year, it's a shame he broke his leg.
As for Spiller, I think he’s primary back material but only once we get enough consistent pass plays from a quality QB/WR combo to force defenses off. Spiller is a draw/stretch/toss kind of running back with good hands to sneak out as a receiver. Not a blocker, not a power runner, Gailey seems to want to use him as both.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I was a huge fan of him his rookie year.
He reminds me of Sproles when I watch him. Sort of a smaller guy, but if he gets that sliver of an opening he’s going to take advantage of it.
And yes Fred Jackson was a beast this year, The Bills looked like they had a great young core coming up this year… Then Fitz and the defense fell apart..
Fitz needs to understand you need to overthrow to Stevie Johnson, not under.
CBs play under… I really think Chan is the type of coach who comes in to the year with one plan, once it’s solved, better luck next year.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Doesn't help you all played us in Dec.
and Rivers is 23-2 in Dec. Should have played us last month. We couldn’t whip ass out of a wet paper bag.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
We couldn't tell you where the end zone was either.
It would have been like watching two quadriplegics wrestling.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
What'd you think of Steve Johnson's celebration against The Jets?
I thought it was real funny, even if it was “unsportsmanlike” It’s a rival game it happens.
I thought it was awesome.
A lot of Bills fans were butthurt because of the ensuing BS that happened (Botched squib kick, Dareus penalty, etc…) but all that stuff was independent of Stevie’s actions. Granted, had he not hit the ground he would have been alright, but still, a lot of shady calls come up when you play the Jets.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
that shite was hillarious.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Spiller reminds me a Darren Sproles
and see how he’s doing with the Saints? Gotta use em to their strengths.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
I wish we could try to do the same package, minues Lee or PPat and try to go for Josh Smith
Josh Smith might be enough to attract Nene.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!
the NBA
by SpaceCityFan on Dec 11, 2011 4:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Selig.
"Walter is a quality 2nd receiver. Jacoby is so bad that the two of them together is less than just Walter by himself." -Toolshed1
by RocketsAstros on Dec 11, 2011 6:28 AM CST up reply actions
think about it
if all it takes on our part is to offer someone of Lamar Odoms value on top of the previously offered pieces to please Dell Demps and give us Chris Paul. Then why not just add someone like Kyle Lowry or Patrick Patterson. Am i missing something or is that all that is needed to get Chris Paul here without the need of any other team.
What the Jesus on crutches is happening
couldn’t sleep…so now I get up to this. I have to admit that the whole time, I just couldn’t see Pau in a Rockets jersey
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 5:27 AM CST reply actions
Morey just emailed me this
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bnarpxg
includes NY pick to magic
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Now, we're talkin...
…make this trade, make nice with K-Mart, we’re in business.
Did Daryl Morey also e-mail "You guys will believe anything."?
Bynum, Scola, and a pick is all the Magic get? Magic don’t even get a salary dump? Good God I hate trade machine homers.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
by BD34 on Dec 11, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Aren't you a mod?
Telling another person on the blog that you “hate” them? Seriously? Someone needs to take your mod credentials away. That was not cool.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Should I do it then?
I hate all of you.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
by .Bonzo on Dec 11, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jerk....
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Except you, TCWIR
i’m never ever ever calling you TCWHRO
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Lol. Good.I'm far too used to TWCIR
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
yes Moderate sarcastic wanker
trade machine :-) in jest
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Alright
I am not a mod, but I despise people who like to use the trade machine to show how much they overvalue players in front of everyone. But what do I know, I think people are idiots for not realizing that JARED JEFFRIES IS THE DAMN ANSWER TO OUR PRAYERS BABY! Put that in your trade machine and smoke it!
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
by A.J. G on Dec 11, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Look, I'll admit that I haven't been here for about a year.
But before that hiatus, a comment like that would be the norm. If that offends you in some way, if your feelings have been hurt by a writer on this site telling you that he hates something, this may not be the place for you. This isn’t kindergarten.
This isn’t to say “mods can do no wrong,” but it takes a fuck of a lot more than that to get anywhere close to warned by me and (at least I think) every other writer here. That’s barely even a personal attack on anyone. Holy shit.
In my mind
the whole point of this trade was to get Pau AND Nene. Unless a 3 team trade happens with the Lakers,Magic and Rockets in the next 24 hours…I’d say Nene is already in NJ by then. What a cluster****. I don’t know how you keep Martin after this
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 5:54 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It seems to be Martin has to go
The Lakers knew Odom had to go thats why they traded him to Orlando, well that and Stern being a complete asshole.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
by Rockets4LIFE on Dec 11, 2011 5:59 AM CST up reply actions
Yup
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
by Rockets4LIFE on Dec 11, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone know
How could Commisioner Stern get fired? Would all the owners have to vote or something?
by Sricharan Iyengar on Dec 11, 2011 9:53 AM CST reply actions
No idea...would have to be an owners vote...and I think he has them in his back pocket.
How does a 5’2" Jewish dude end up running the NBA anyway? It doesn’t make sense…he’s running the NBA like a freagin used car lot.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Sup racism?
Stern would have to be fired by the owners, since he is employed by them. As far as how he got to run the NBA, legal background, worked his way up on the business side of basketball, hired.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
"Jew" isn't a race, thank you very much.
And I didn’t say anything racist in any case. It would be like a 5’2" White guy being an NBA head coach. Or a Centers coach. Doesn’t make sense. But yeah, I see your point. Business is business. But the guy seriously runs the NBA in a very shady manner. I don’t like him.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Depends on who you talk to.
But let’s not parse semantics in ignorance. This conversation is done here.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
You come across as very arrogant, you know that right?
But still, I like you. Is that hypocritical to say someone’s arrogant and say “you’re still an alright dude”? Dunno, you’re the one with the God complex, I’ll let you decide.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Hell yea. BD is a dick.
He comes across way too strong sometimes. But I still love the dude. Second manliest man here.
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I love your username change
But it breaks my heart at the same time.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
It's terrible, BD. I'm all mopey now...
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Thought you said you were manly?
Irish Car Bombs and Whiskey on the rocks to kill our sorrows.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Just vodka for me.
Which is quite detrimental to studying for finals, btw
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Studying for finals too man. Which ones you got?
I usually have the beer out. Had some desert wine and an apple the other night (Cue insults about my manhood) and I realized, I’m Irish, wine wasn’t intended for my people. Hits hard.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Geometric Control Studies,
Principles of Engineering Economics,
Engineering Statics,
Environmental Engineering.
And nothing wrong with the occasional light fruit drink. True men can hammer the hard stuff when they need to and drink whatever they feel like when they want to.
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
AMEN
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 11, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Engineering, hot damn. Do you see the world in mechanical terms?
I have Business Organizations, Constitutional Law, Property, and Tax Law. I already had my mock trial final for Trial Advocacy.
Next semester I have Housing Clinic (About 20-35 hours a week of free legal work for clients, court appearance, complaint filings, etc…) Property II, Con Law II, and Wills and Estates. I’m most likely going to string myself off my new 5th floor balcony.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Hell yea.
Too many civil engineers out there right now designing building without knowing how to make them functional. I currently have a job with campus as “that guy who fixes things when you break them in your dorm”. Doing this, I learn how buildings actually should run.
And good luck with your stuff….blech.
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
When I get a case about unsafe manufacturing/faulty design I'm calling you for an expert witness.
Just putting you on notice.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Sounds good.
And I’ll have you on standby for…idk. Hope I don’t have to call you though.
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Gonna make me BAR in Texas?
Duly noted.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I live in Nebraska...
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
You plan on staying there?
Can you “build” cornfields? =P
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Hey now.
I live in Lincoln, and am currently living in downtown, above a Spaghetti Works resteraunt. Fourth floor. So see? We have some buildings.
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
You're gonna stay in Nebraska?
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
No idea.
Preferably, id move to the Northwest. But the people here are really good people. So we will just have to see.
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Fourth floor?
Tallest building in Nebraska award, grats!
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
by A.J. G on Dec 11, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dang...I'm getting all kinds of insults for this...lol
Remember, I was in Texas for twenty years before I came here. There’s some 30 or so story buildings here. Be nice…
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
And telling someone they have a God complex
isn’t arrogant?
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope...it's judgmental.
Get it right.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I've got a complex
but it usually involves a fifth of Jack, a pink feather boa, a donkey, a hula hoop and a some of those crappy moon shoes.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
That sounds like a hell of a night.
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Chuck's 100% right, hence he's my signature.
I am arrogant and a total douche, but I don’t pull any punches. Just didn’t want that conversation to become a big race discussion (Terribly unrelated and can get ugly, ya know?) so if I piss someone off at me personally, at least we dodge a stickier situation.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Naaaa...
Wasn’t going into a race discussion…I just found Stern’s choosing as Comish odd. I’d like to see someone with experience on the basketball side running the show. Not some business guy hired out of Harvard. That’s all.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
That's the thing, the conversation had the potential. I get targeted a lot here, so I have no problem making people mad.
As for who should run the league, I want someone in the business side to run it. GMs and the Player’s Union is the basketball side. The owners are about profit and contracts. Gotta have a business guy as the Commissioner.
Funny enough, my law school friend had a chance to meet Roger Goodell back when he was working in a Virginia law firm with him.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
The Commish is just the head of the organization.
There are MANY other employees that could manage the business side, executives and such. The Commish however has a direct hand in basketball related issues. Such as TRADES. A guy with a firsthand knowledge of the sport would best suit that role. The CEO doesn’t run the company, he just helps guide it. And a team executive would have enough business sense to manage that much at least I would expect. And perhaps even if he worked his way through the league office learning the ropes he would know both aspects proficiently enough to be an effective governor of the whole schebang. Just my opinion.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
So we're just going to ignore that you need a legal background for CBA's?
The HUGE issue we just had? The owners are business-men, the commissioner takes their input, navigates legal waters, and orchestrates broadcast, merchandise, and various other legal rights. There’s a reason juris doctors get such big money, they open up legitimacy and big money to all parties involved, hence needing the business/legal side to occupy the commissioner spot.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
So you claim to know exactly what the Commissioner does?
He is the arbiter of all legal agreements and his input is the only one that counts? The NBA doesn’t employ other lawyers? Is it a requirement for the CEO to have an Engineering degree, Law degree, technician experience and experience running a factory to navigate the waters of the business world? I’m not saying the two positions are identical, obviously they aren’t, but to the degree that one guy doesn’t have to have 90 years of work experience and `15 degrees to be effective, I think they are the same.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
The fact that you ran in a completely unrealistic direction proves that this conversation is over.
If you can’t be reasonable you can’t expect to have a legitimate conversation with someone. Your argument is tantamount to “I don’t know about something, so you don’t, so I’m right.”
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
This is such a horrible situation for the Rockets
I have to imagine that Morey isn’t going to just sit and take it, he’s got to be thinking of a Plan B. Heck at this point it’s probably plan Z.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 10:02 AM CST reply actions
I hope it's something...
Two GM’s almost quit their jobs because of this fiasco and God knows Stern pissed off at least 2 owners. Hopefully JB and Les have enough pull with the other owners to really rip that little pricks ass and perhaps even get him out of the NBA’s version of the Oval Office. Excluding Cuban and a few others I think they might rally enough support to get his ass canned.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Martin to the Timberwolves?
Bill Ingram – 12/10/2011 11:00am EST
Two items of particular note outside of the fallout from the blown three-team deal involving Chris Paul:
First, if the complicated sign-and-trade that would land David West in Boston falls through, the Indiana Pacers are waiting with a sizable offer for West, who is now their primary free agency target.
Second, when the New Orleans Hornets were set to acquire Kevin Martin from the Houston Rockets, the Minnesota Timberwolves immediately prepared an offer for Martin. Now that Martin is no longer headed to the Hornets, don’t be surprised if the Timberwolves make an overture to Houston. Head coach Rick Adelman would love to have Martin back in his lineup.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions
How long is it until we have swapped over most things with the Wolves (PLEASE NOT THE GM!)?
I am all for shipping Martin out, for reasons I’ve stated before that people wish to pay no mind to because let’s face it, he’s the best player on a mediocre team so he’s a star. I’ll await the demands for Kevin Love and 4 unprotected 1sts, I’m hoping Daryl asks for Wesley Johnson and a draft pick or two. Toss in Scola for Love and I might just fly down to Houston to offer Daryl a sensual massage if it goes through but in the realm of reality, give me the Syracuse product (To go with Flynn, Syracuse REPRESENT!) and a draft pick and I’m happy.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I told my friend about the T Wolves rumor
his first words were “Kevin Love”. Gosh people are dumb. The thing about the picks being a part of the deal, they might end up being 2014 picks. The Twolves don’t have a 1st round this year (unless the Jazz make the playoffs), then in 2013 they could potentially have 3 1st rounders but those are also contingent on how other teams finish (they are also lottery protected). So since you can’t be without a 1st round pick for 2 straight seasons, not sure they’d be able to give us one of those 2013 picks. Someone smarter than me could probably figure it out. Call me crazy, but I’d love to take a chance on Anthony Randolph. And no people, I don’t mean just Randolph for Martin.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I forgot Randolph was out there.
I feel like Randolph and Johnson and a 2nd round pick would sell me for Martin.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
A 2nd round pick?
I guess that’s better than hoping for a 3 team trade. Zing!
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wolves Fan here...
Yea, The Wolves have so many tweener forwards, we can’t play them all. Martin would the ONLY legit SG on the roster so…let’s make it work, please.
We can’t play Wes Johnson, Beasley, and Derrick Williams all together, so at least one of them HAS to go. Also, our second best player last year really was Anthony Tolliver. The man is one of the most solid role players out there. Again…there is no room for him to play on this team of developmental forwards.
So, something around Wes, Tolliver or Randolph, and our Utah 1st would MAYBE be intriguing for both teams…I don’t know enough about the Rockets’ direction anymore (maybe neither do ya’ll with this crazy BS).
by Daddyfatsax on Dec 11, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
lmao..sensual massage...
I don’t think we’re getting Love…I would think he’s the one untouchable on the Wolves…would be nice though…but T-Wolves fans say on the reg that Love is a rebounding whore..ala Jason Kidd. A stat padder stealing boards from teammates. Not sure that’s the kind of guy I want on this team. He can put up stats, elite stats, but it doesn’t seem that he’s a legitimate go-to type guy. If they can sort it out where his ego matches his skills, I think he could be good. But personally I think the guy is too fat headed to really be an asset on a scrappy team like the Rockets that requires chemistry and teamwork to get things done.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he's got an ego, and my Love comment was more to highlight that it's not realistic to think we can get him.
But like I said, Ingram is an idiot.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Based on what T-Wolves fans say...
Just conjecture…I have no idea personally, but I’m not one of those that has to see it in person to believe it. If enough people point out the same types of behavior on a regular basis from different sources, more often than not it’s true.
Would you say that Jason Kidd isn’t an ego-maniac as well? I breathlessly await your witty response.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Guys that get stats aren't really ego maniacs.
Unless your name is Javale McGee and you do it in a blatantly obvious fashion.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I'm going to watch some Wolves games this year if he's still there...
And we’ll have this discussion at a later date :D
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Then again I have to temper that against the fact that Ingram is a f*cking moron.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Sue?
On what grounds? He signed a contract. He’s a trade-able commodity. Trade clauses or not I’m sure Stern wouldn’t put himself in a position to be sued…I could be wrong, but I don’t think suing is an option.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
The threat of litigation
is definitely a real option. Imagine how everything would blow up if he did sue.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmmm
Collusion…that would take some doing to prove. Stern’s press responses seem reasonable enough on the surface. That’s one of those suits that would be sitting in court for 30 years if it’s not dismissed out of hand.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
You don't have to prove it
suing the league is enough damage. Looks bad for everyone involved
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
pfft...
Fans are a fickle lot. The only real damage that could be done is if the fans stopped turning on the tube to watch them…and I don’t think that’s going to happen. The fans will always come back. We forgave Clinton for getting a BJ, the masses still love Lohan even though she’s a retard. Millions loved Michael even though he was a pervert…I think the NBA can survive a lawsuit.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I would say there's a huge part of the population
that disagrees with all 3 of your historical opinions
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I know, but sports always survive...
Nobody stopped watching the NFL, baseball took a hit of course, but the NBA has been through the washer and back a few times and survived. And for the record, there are obviously millions that would agree with my “historical opinions”. Not an opinion either. Fact. Millions loved Clinton, millions love Lohan, and millions love Michael. It’s not a debate. The NBA would survive a lawsuit.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Yet it's still 5th in the United States in popularity
4th in professional sports.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Sports survive but they take a nasty hit.
The NFL wasn’t a shitstorm nor was it a greed based lockout, it was structural issues, so they faced no credibility problems. MLB has fallen drastically in ratings since the steroids scandals that Selig tried to sidestep. Millions love Clinton because no one cares about getting a blow jibber at work if you do a good job. With Lohan, people love her cause they took nude photos of her and photoshopped them. No one cared about her bouncing back and forth into rehabilitation facilities. For Jackson, given the run of the mill fan of him, I’m not shocked, gets to be the same attitude that people have if you ever criticize the Beatles, OH GOD NO!
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
lmao....I love your Lohan comments...
And the NBA would survive because they still field a good product. Baseball is boring, enough said really.
Yeah, Michael is an icon…I’m still surprised he has supporters though.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
There's discernible decreases in ratings from stuff like what the NBA pulls.
Casual fans tend to not drop as much money on the sport as the people who get insulted by things like The Veto.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Gotcha...
I’m not saying there isn’t a rebound period. But as I said initially, fans are fickle. People are fickle in general. They’ll come back.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
And it's also a fact
that Millions hate Clinton, Millions hate Lohan, and Millions hate Michael. It’s all opinion based
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
....
Ok dude, you win. It’s not opinion based. We are both right. Millions love them, millions hate them. Dumb argument.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
There is a suit option, but there is precedent in courts about leagues being able to veto trades in the interest of business.
I can’t remember the specific case but it has been taken to court and ruled in favor of the league. There is an argument in the area of the 13th amendment if the race card wants to be played (Badge of slavery by restricting the ability of a player to be moved under contractual and entirely legal terms), 14th amendment deprivation of due process (The lost 40 million dollars or so in vetoing the deal), collusion, negotiation in bad faith (Contractual principle that would attack the CBA), and promissory estoppel (He was to be traded by someone who had the authority to make the trade and then was told no by the league).
The issue is that policies in place in the NBA make vetoing a trade entirely legitimate.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
League/Owners
I’m sure they weren’t taking part in the trade negotiations…and the trade information provided to the league was new in both cases. I think the owners signoff is required in trades correct? I don’t think that suit has a chance in the court system. Nobody really lost any money. Paul is still under contract. The teams on the other hand…perhaps. Not sure. You’s the law guy. I’ll leave it up to you to figure that crap out :D
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Any suit based on collusion, lost profits, etc... would do damage to Paul and the League.
The League would have to fear a negative judgment but Paul would also have to provide ample proof he would have extended with specific teams. Or any, he can have the option to fudge his intentions. You can easily make a case about the forfeiture of 40 million dollars if he’s forced to leave as a free agent. Hope the judge is a Rockets fan.
I already said the the NBA needs to sign off on any trades, so asking it later ignores that last sentence of mine.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Not just the NBA...but as the owners as well...a double signoff would be required then basically.
That’s my point. I read every word, even if some of it made me cross-eyed.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
That's where the league shot itself in the foot.
When they bought the Hornets Demps was given the green light to still act as GM. They were given autonomy. The league also told all three teams involved that it was their business on the trade, then they put the kibosh on it at the wrong time, made a LOT of false representations (Another cause of action!)
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Bingo
just the thought of some sort of lawsuit probably sends a shiver through everyone involved on the NBA side. Nobody wants that
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Ahhh gotcha...
Cool, now I know :D Think he’ll go after them?
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
If your Chris Paul? Don't even think twice about it. Go after them.
The question is does the player’s union do it or does he do it in his individual capacity? If I were him I’d actually see if you can dissolve the CBA because of a violation like this. It’s painfully obvious that they didn’t negotiate an instrument that solved the issues at hand.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Wow...
If they went that route that could rip the NBA apart at it’s hinges. There would be a huge payout to avoid that.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
I would threaten it. If they can push it they at least get Stern to step down.
If they negotiated a CBA they aren’t satisfied with the result to the point that the NBA wishes to control its players absolutely it’s a bad faith document and needs to go because there clearly wasn’t an adequate meeting of the minds to form a contract.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
yes...threaten but not follow through...
If they did they’d hurt the league badly…players out of work, fans pissed to hell, teams losing tons of revenue…cities losing taxes and revenue…that would be bad bad bad.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks BD
You saved me some research time and mental gymnastics. I had been thinking on the Badge of Slavery stuff but also trying to wrap my mushy mind around the estoppel thing (not a lawyer, paralegal and PhD in Sociology (race and gender)).
It seems to me Badge of Slavery is the most PR damaging, but estoppel has the most legal weight and potential. Collusion of course is obvious just not necessarily legally possible to prove.
Right, as it stands I think the best bet is to throw as much shit at the wall as they can.
Some of it is bound to stick.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I would think
Between the Lakers, Rockets and Celtics owners, they could make a push from that direction for Stern’s resignation/firing.
Speaking of owners, doesn’t Cuban ending up with Odom for nothing cast collusion potential his way after his public commentary.
I would agree with you 5,000% on that one.
He was outspoken about his opposition to the trade then to step in and basically make a FA signing of Odom (Or the trade equivalent) smacks of some foul play.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Seems to me
that LA and Houston could potentially file suit against Cuban as an individual owner. Or do they have to go after the NBA as a whole.
They would have to file tampering charges with the NBA for the Cuban on Odom thing.
Or just include it by intervening in a suit with Chris Paul if he sues in his individual capacity. Puts you on shaky terms though because you don’t tend to want to s*it where you eat if you’re an organization, you know?
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I get it on the
where you eat analogy. Has Cuban effectively done that for himself I wonder, with other owners after his actions?
Cuban has consistently been an asshole and it's never really changed anything.
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LOL. How True.
You made me laugh with that one and that is really hard today for someone who has spent 3 decades watching the Rockets.
You often make me laugh though. Sometimes because I agree with you and sometimes because I just admire your focused passion. (Not necessarily to be confused with agreeing with all you advocate.)
Entertainment is half the job, I appreciate the view.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Any way that the Rockets could pursue Howard?
Need a center…he’s under contract for what, 2 years?….why not? Could we put together a package perhaps?
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions
I feel like Howard would be more agreeable to the idea of a multi-year deal outside of preference places BUT...
I still don’t think the Rockets could put together an appealing package for him. Plus, as it stands, the Rockets seem intent to try to facilitate because we have stuff to clear out and sweeteners on deals.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Rockets are the Sweet N Low
and the Lakers are the straw that stirs the drink
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of sweet...
Anyone else think Dragic is 100% expendable because we have Llull camping out overseas? The Rockets have a ton of flexibility with him and Motie abroad.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Haven't seen any of Llull to have any confidence in him...
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by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry but I like Dragic...
He’s an outstanding backup at point. I wouldn’t sweat at all if Lowry went down and Dragic replaced him. Llull is an unknown commodity.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Unknown if you haven't watched any of his Spanish tape.
It’s out there, he’s a big point guard, overall very good. Used to do Llull watches on this site. The guy is pretty impressive.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Llull is on the new NBA Jam
I enjoy ripping people apart with him. Dragic is absolutely expendable. Honestly, our whole roster is depending on what you get back.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed, Daryl Morey
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
It's a good philosophy.
We’re outside the playoffs, we can either get more outside or in, but we’re not moving much if we head into the season with the same roster as last season (Barring another 14th pick 6’9" rookie).
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-TCWIR paraphrased
True, but I just feel that the players we get don't have much loyalty to us
becuase we don’t show any to them.
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by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
That would lend us towards the idea of trying to draft a strong team.
Which seems to be something I get yelled at for. So really which balance do we want?
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-TCWIR paraphrased
No, I'm agreeing with you that we should do the trades and move around.
It’s productive towards winning. But as you know, I’m more on the sentimental side of basketball than most people.
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
A strong man with a sensitive heart?
I’m calling Danielle Steel and getting you written into a book.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
One thing people need to realize
when they start putting different “potential trades” for stars on here, all of them better start with Martin and Scola. We were going to get back Pau Gasol and both of them weren’t near enough. I don’t wanna hear anymore “Scola and Flynn for Love and a 1st”
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I suggest we try to trade...
Scola and Flynn for Love and a 1st.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I think we can pull it off
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely...
I expect Love to be in a Rocket’s Jersey by the end of the Texans game.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of which...
Going to grab a drink and plunk down on the recliner and turn on the tube…good chatting with you all. Even you tk0303.
by Corey Planchard on Dec 11, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I am too excited about Llull, he is really valuable to real Madrid and is a leader there, much like someone we need on the Rockets.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
by Rockets4LIFE on Dec 12, 2011 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
....
Not sure why we have to be the side course team, we have the assets to land the superstar. Anyway, why don’t we look at speights, iggy, or josh smith? All could be had and all would make the team better. I think this is the year to take the next step or start all over.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Dec 11, 2011 12:24 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
We don't know who the front office is looking at, no one here works for the Rockets.
As for “having the assets to land the superstar” the reason we facilitate is because we don’t have the assets to land one. We are the sweetener, as I said above. If we did, don’t you think we would have by now? We’ve had a lot of set up moves but set up that leads to sniping someone in a three team deal, not dealing directly. It overrates our players pretty hard when you consider the top two players on the team are at 30 or nearly 30 one dimensional offensive players.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Did Stern really up the demands that made the Lakers pull out?
I really think once Howard made his trade demands public late afternoon/evening yesterday and wanting to go to Nets that the Lakers were in a hurry mode to try and snatch him before the Nets did. Lakers had to come up with an attractive proposal, thus trading Odom right away for some picks to offer the Magic in addition to Gasol and Bynum
by inquisitiveman on Dec 11, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions
Just found this :
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Lakers had offered Lamar Odom to teams with salary cap space, one GM says. “He wanted out and they really wanted to reduce the tax bill.”
by inquisitiveman on Dec 11, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
TJ Yates is finally showing that he is a rookie.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 11, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's been decent, sure a couple passes have been high but that's fixable.
That 1 interception though was just awful.
But, we’re leaving too many points on the board, we should have 6-10 more points, It’s just missed chances…
Any reason why I can't reply to posts right now?
Never happened before, but I’ve refreshed and exited the page.
Test
Looks like I can. Sorry, no help here :(
I've had that problem before.
It’s your browser, it doesn’t load itself fast enough, SBNation has done that to me a few times. Just have to refresh the page.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
The Celtics were also very effected by the Stern fiasco
with the Paul deal going south, it’s looking like West is headed to the Pacers.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 1:55 PM CST reply actions
I think it shows Stern is dedicated to the idea of New Orleans not taking on more salary.
By letting New Orleans players leave for nothing he’s saving them millions! Who wants to buy the shell of a Hornets franchise? Well… The exoskeleton.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I can finally reply..
In the NHL when The Stars had no owner, they couldn’t trade their players because it would be “devaluing the franchise for potential buyers” is trading Chris Paul devaluing The Hornets?
The Hornets have absolutely no value.
I don’t know who would want to buy a franchise that loses THAT much money annually.
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It's speculative considering Paul made it apparent he's leaving at the ned of the season.
Trading Paul now for a complement of players that would have at least kept the team entertaining is a hell of a lot more sensible than letting him walk for nothing.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Exactly what I was thinking.
You definitely want to get something for him, and they were getting a great deal. I agree completely.
I don't know where the Rockets go from here
A week ago, there was still the thought that the offseason hadn’t started yet so there might be hope for a change. Now all the time has been spent on a trade that Stern was never going to let happen (and Stu Jackson). While I can still root for the players we have, it just feels empty. It ruins more than the season, ruins the next few years.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Rockets still have plenty of options.
Can continue to pursue the rebuilding route, they can go after a guy like Josh Smith, they can really take time to survey what their options are. I think at the moment it’s imperative we ship out Martin because of his sentiments about possibly being dealt, rather get rid of someone who has expressed open frustration with the organization that hope to placate a one way player who has appeal around the league.
Honestly, watching some of the practice tapes on YouTube, I’m excited for Hasheem and Jordan Hill.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
It's still interesting that Nene hasn't made a move
not even a peep about him
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
David West agreed to 2 Year 20M deal with Pacers.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
David West has agreed to a 2 year, $20 million deal with Pacers, league source tells Y.
OH SNAP
Jonathan_Feigen Jonathan Feigen
With one Gasol out, the Rockets have picked up the chase of another. Rockets “pursuing” Mem RFA Marc Gasol, person in on talks said.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 2:20 PM CST reply actions
I like it!
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Here we go
Adrian Wojnarowski: Houston’s close to signing Marc Gasol to max-contract offer sheet, working a sign-and-trade with Memphis to secure him, league sources say. 4 minutes ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1gG9vfR8L
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more
Jonathan Feigen: I see as I push that tweet button, @Adrian Wojnarowski has reported Rockets close to max-contract offer sheet. Rockets can quickly clear $12 mil. 1 minute ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1gGA0CbzW
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If it's a S&T is it greedy if I wind up asking for OJ Mayo in the process?
I mean, go ahead and take Scola, a 1st and 2nd rounder, and Martin for Gasol and Mayo? Maybe offer them a guy like Jordan Hill or something.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
....
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Rockets are working to sign Marc Gasol to a 4 year, $55M offer sheet, sources tell Y! Memphis would have 3 days to match, or lose him.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
It's strategic in 2 ways.
This board has long thought that Memphis won’t have the money or huevos to match a big offer for him, why not extend one and tell Memphis “If it’s too rich for your blood, let’s trade.”
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Lot's of people calling Houston stupid for offering the max for Marc Gasol.
I think it’s necessary.
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I'd rather give out a max to Gasol than Nene.
You’re probably not gonna get him for less anyway.
I'm not thrilled about the idea of amnestying Thabeet but I would be totally fine with the acquisition of Gasol.
Though I am also giddy on the idea that Martin needs to go anyway, eh?
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I think people think it's "the max"
but really it’s just the max for him. 12.9 million…not like it’s kobe money
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly, it's restricted by the CBA.
He hasn’t been in the league long enough to get near the 18 mil mark.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Interesting.
Kevin Pelton: One note about Houston’s Marc Gasol offer: “max offer” to him still smaller than Chandler’s non-max deal. 1 minute ago
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Amnesty on Thabeet will not be necessary.
Jonathan Feigen: Rockets actually will have $12.9 million in cap room, which is Gasol’s max offer sheet.
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1gGBiEtnm
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Daryl Morey
deserves a huge apology from several members on this board and a great deal of respect going forward.
I cannot even imagine going through the screwing he just got handed (not to mention the skill to put that deal together to begin with) and rebounding immediately with such a ballsy move.
This guy really may be the best GM in basketball.
I understand
we may not get Gasol. I was just marvelling at the ability to come out swinging with another blockbuster ballsy move mere hours after being shot out of the sky by insanity.
here's the thing...i think Morey knows that they will match, so don't know what else
he can do to persuade the Grizz to sign/trade.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 11, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still not in full understanding of how they are doing this.
Max out Rudy Gay, extend Randolph, extend Conley, and now Gasol?
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they will probably have to get rid of one of the other 3...i think they will keep Gasol
but i hope im wrong…..dead wrong!
by inquisitiveman on Dec 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Morey is basically asking the Grizzlies "Do you want to go 7 million over the cap?"
If they agree, they kill their flexibility. If they don’t, they can let him walk for nothing or go for the sign and trade. It’s a great poisoned pill for Memphis with nothing but benefit to Houston.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
and that matters to us?
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No point getting excited
Jonathan Feigen: Rockets pursuit of MGasol still a longshot. Memphis likely to match, unlikely to do sign-and-trade. It’s a Hail Mary after trade collapsed. 2 minutes ago
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Sure it's a long shot
but it’s still possible. Memphis would go a good bit over the cap, so at the least they are put in a restricted situation money-wise.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Id like us to sign gasol and just trade away scola.
A lineup of
Gasol
Ppat
Bud
Martin
Lowry
That looks like a solid young team to me
I would think we'd be trading Martin in this deal.
That is a nice line up though.
I'm wondering if Morey is trying to find a way
to get a big guy…and figure out some way to make an offer to Nene (although not as big as the Nets offer). It would mean moving Scola, Martin, and others…along with the amnesty of Thabeet
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Im not sure we need Nene if we get Marc Gasol
I think id be more the start of a youth movement to win in 2/3 years. Im not sure committing money longterm to Nene would help
Well the same could be said
for Nene and Pau together. It wouldn’t be much of a difference with Nene and M Gasol.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Bruce Arthur:
Poor Houston. Going from Pau to Marc Gasol is like going from Kim to Khloe Kardashian, though presumably with a lower chance of hepatitis.
13 minutes ago via web
I hate david stern!
Thats clever. I am more excited about getting Marc than Pau though.
He might not be as good but heseems like he plays more in the same hard nosed vein the rockets like than Pau
We can still get Pau tho right?
We can hope on the Lakers/Howard trade and get Pau that way. Just we are going backwards and getting Marc THEN Pau and not the other way arround.
I mean it's possible.
I don’t think it’s very likely.
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doubt it
looks like bynum is gonna be the centerpiece in the package for howard and if it doesnt take both bynum and gasol, pretty sure lakers would like to form a gasol and howard frontline
Mark Spears of Yahoo
Grizzlies expected to match four-year, $55 million offer sheet from the Rockets for RFA C Marc Gasol, source tells @YahooSports.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 4:26 PM CST reply actions
Geoff Calkins - Sports columnist at The Commercial Appeal
Gasol story makes no sense. Griz would LOVE it if he signs an offer with Rockets because it’s less than they’ve already offered. If he signs that offer sheet, Griz will match in an instant and throw a party. Only issue would be if Gasol doesn’t want to be here.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
The difference is that Grizz offered 60 million over 5 yrs, Rockets 55 million over 4
But you have to believe something else is going on here, the Rockets wouldn’t tie up their money in a guy that the Grizz desperately want to keep unless they had some indication from him that he’d push for a move to Houston.
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 11, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
It's a strange situation indeed
This is total speculation…but maybe they are rumors of a Gasol/Gasol tandem being whispered thru backchannels. Purely speculation though
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Or Morey is just playing it strategic.
Tie up their money in cap space when you’re getting desperate, if it doesn’t work, you’re exhausting options, which is better than the patience approach of trade denials he’s gotten for several years now.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
But the offer sheet is less than what Memphis has offered him
Grizzlies still wouldn’t be near the luxury tax, if I’ve figured it up right
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Force them to move then? It's strategic in that it makes the Grizz make a decision.
Also, when was the offer tendered?
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If they match it
they are in salary cap hell until they trade someone. I’m sure they will match it though, they wouldn’t want to lose Gasol within the division.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, Morey and Chris Wallace are extremely good friends.
Morey could just be doing Wallace a favor by getting Gasol at a better price. I don’t know. Just speculation.
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After the 72 hours Morey has had
I doubt he’s doing anyone favors right about now
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd agree.
But I’m just throwing out reasons here.
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And houston is now a championship contender
ESPNSteinLine NBA teams indeed notified that Rockets have claimed Lin off waivers after his release by Golden State
Lin will be the top vote getter for the All-Star game for sure......lol
by inquisitiveman on Dec 11, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't he chinese?
If so, then we will still have china’s support and player will want to come here!
I hate david stern!
Kevin Martin either man'd up, or had a nice talk with his PR Representative.
http://www.nba.com/rockets/video/2011/12/11/ZOOM0002MOV-1932108/index.html
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Our guys have been pretty professional
Moreso than Odom and Gasol in the scenario
by Camouflage14 on Dec 11, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Shh...dont tell BD! He's been pissing all over Martin...
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
He had a good interview, which is nice, if it's a consistent change I'll be happy.
If it’s short term, then I’ll consider myself one of the people who actually wait for something to be proved before I buy it.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
You cant blame a player for being pissed after being nearly traded.
Giving the player a few days to come to terms with it is only fair. If hes still moaning about it then, then you can call his attitude unprofessional. Not before
thats what i said last night
I figured he’d be a pro and get over it. But Twitter doesn’t allow you to be pissed and get over it. Every immediate reaction is public news. Being human gets you made fun of (by me admittedly, but still).
by thatguyisgood on Dec 11, 2011 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
You can be cognizant of the risk of being traded and still upset that it happened.
I just spent that last ten fucking hours getting my car fixed in fucking Waller, and I’m pretty pissed about it, but I understand that it’s possible that my car will break while driving it. If somebody asked me how I felt and then said “Well, you should have known this was a possibility” after I told them I was pissed, I’d probably hit them in their smug fucking face.
Same goes for Martin. He’d probably do the same thing if you asked him, “Hey, how do you feel about almost being traded?” and then told him to “man up” when he was honest with you. And you’d deserve it.
You knew your car would break down, you're not on national media crying about it.
He knew it was a risk and again, what this board seems to forget was that Kevin was all for trashing Sacramento when he got traded here, but apparently it’s OK to shit on his old team but don’t you dare imply he could have the same kind attitude here.
Like I said, I want to see long term improvements before I go drinking the Kool-Aid.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Give him a few days before throwing him to the dogs.
The guy was told that he had to move his family, change teams, only to be told later that it was not going to happen. And now, he just doesnt know what is going to happen. He’ll probably be okay once he actually knows if hes going to stay a rocket or not. Lets just hope this thing get settled soon.
Again, I'm looking for sustained.
He came out and said last season the poor performance was the “asset” thing, then this season he whined to the media about Daryl showing cards and how it’s all about his teammates in a very somber tone, and he wasn’t shy about his enthusiasm to be free from Sacramento when he learned of his trade to Houston. I need to see proof of strength of will if I’m going to extend someone the benefit of the doubt. All of a guy’s history means something to me, not just the few months that some people choose to pay attention to.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
But if someone stuck a camera in my face
I’d tell them the truth.
Either you’re saying that Martin’s attitude towards being traded is invalid (ridiculous) or you’re saying he should lie (also ridiculous).
Kevin was all for trashing Sacramento when he got traded here
I don’t see how that’s relevant to what’s happening now.
It's showing how Houston fans need to get their heads out of the sand.
He’s shown no past problems with letting a team know how unhappy he was but for some reason when it’s brought up to some Martin supporters that this is just history repeating itself y’all are there to defend him as the White Knight Crusader of the Mediocre.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Don't air your dirty laundry in public.
Take it to the front office. A lot of people lost faith in McGrady when he went behind the FO about his knee and then blogged his surgery out but when Martin goes to the national media to cry that he could conceivably be traded you guys are right there at his side?
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Well, my opinions on McGrady is public record on this site.
And, again, if the reporter asks, “Hey how do you feel about your current situation,” I’d rather an athlete be honest. Primarily because it makes for a better story, but also because I like athletes who are open about their emotions. My favorite non-star Astro was Jose Lima because of that. He wore his emotions very openly, and so watching him pitch was a lot of fun.
And apparently this is the disconnect for me.
For me, athletes know they can be relocated. There’s inherent factors in that business that they have to deal with. You keep your grievances confined to the management and talk to them, telling a reporter isn’t going to make your situation better, whining to your fans isn’t going to make your situation better, talk to your boss when you have a problem and quietly ask for a trade somewhere else if you’re upset. Don’t tell Jonathan Feigen like he can make it all better.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
This isn't just a business, though.
This is a spectacle. That’s why you watch. To totally buy into the whole affair — reading media stories about athletes’ personal decisions, reading interviews with them, writing about those athletes and talking about them beyond just the context of the game itself — and then complain that somebody is “crying to the media” whenever one says something you don’t like strikes me as inconsistent.
The NBA isn’t just about scores and statistics. It’s about the personalities involved. Shit, the NBA fines players if they don’t talk to reporters. Under the BD34 Ideal League, it would seem like the only comments players could make would be “We’ve got to take it one game at a time” and “Both teams played hard.”
I mean, in your ideal world, what do athletes say to the media after they’ve quietly requested a trade and word gets out? When the reporter asks, “Gee, Dwight Howard, why do you want out of Orlando?” is Dwight just supposed to say, “No comment” or does he lie and say “I’m totally happy here. Everything is a-okay! Super duper! That’s why I requested the trade.”
For a member of the media (a small corner of it, anyways) to say that responding to that question honestly is somehow wrong seems hypocritical.
by Only_A_Lad on Dec 11, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When you grossly misconstrue my entire stance you're 100% right.
However, if you wish to allow me to respond rather than make up a fantasy argument on my part, I will let you wax poetic for as many comments as you’d like.
What I tend to write about is roster moves, game analysis, and I try to catch practice tape and player statements. I don’t care about the player’s personal decisions and the fact that you enjoy the side of the game that most closely resembles some kind of trash that E! Network would trot out is your own indulgence, not mine.
In the BD34 League I would expect players to act like they own a Y Chromosome and not go crying to the media when the business side of basketball takes place. Ask a guy how they feel after a trade falls through and their name came up in rumors tell me what you think of the team that wanted you, tell me you understand what you mean to your current team and that it’s expected. Don’t act like you’re some persecuted commodity because your contract is moveable amongst teams, ESPECIALLY when that’s how your ass wound up on this team in the first place and you couldn’t help but gush about your new team. Instead of being a hypocrite go ahead and man up.
Also, Dwight covered his ass on the trade request with “Just because I asked to be traded somewhere else doesn’t mean I don’t like where I’m at.” But what he should have said was “Otis Smith needs to upgrade this team if he expects someone like me to keep burning talent for this team.” I’d even be ok with that because it sends the message to management “My team needs to improve, I’m willing to put in, but the team needs to get better.”
There’s TONS of room for your athletically gifted version of Basketball Wives and my preferred sport. They can even comment on basketball and improvements to make to their teams when they’re interviewed even!
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
by BD34 on Dec 11, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Complaining about misconstruing an argument
and then writing this:
and the fact that you enjoy the side of the game that most closely resembles some kind of trash that E! Network would trot out is your own indulgence, not mine.
is pretty hilarious, BD.
I mean, your whole thing right now is about how they’re “crying” or “whining,” that they’re saying that they’re “persecuted” or whatever. How is that not misconstruing it? That’s a wild exaggeration, at best.
by Only_A_Lad on Dec 11, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're defending a guy for whining to the media and talking about how you like players that will air out their feelings.
As opposed to me saying they should address their problems through channels that can actually fix things and talk basketball to the media. I think my intentional mischaracterization fit more closely than yours.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I'm pissed everytime I get told I have a no-notice deployment
to somewhere they want to kill my ass. I get pissed everytime I am told my family and I have to move out of the blue to a new base. I get pissed but I don’t cry about the shit because A.) I don’t subscribe to this immasculated version of society where everytime someone needs a tampon change they cry to the world about it and B.) because I am happy to have a damn job. I am not saying people don’t have a right to be pissed. But pissing and moaning about it seems more about leverage for these guys.
(And for the record, to eliminate possible stereotypes of me being a military member, I am preparing to finish my master’s in Psychology and plan on getting my PsyD shortly thereafter. I’ve chosen to do what I do for a sense of purpose and fulfillment, not the duckits)
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
by A.J. G on Dec 11, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Somehow I am terrified of the idea of you as a therapist.
That’s mostly because you manage to make me laugh and seem like someone I’d hang out with.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
It's kind of bewildering
I mean, I look at what Martin has said, and I think “Okay, he’s angry or at the very least a little upset.”
You look at that same information and say, “THIS GUY IS A FUCKING WHINER!”
I'm not mad at the dude.
I just think given the tension around the locker room he would do well to take the high road and take a deep breath. That’s all. Professionalism is all anyone asks for. If this was a street game, then whoop someone’s ass or scream, but you are being paid for this as a profession. That is all I am saying. Class.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
But, again,
I don’t see how he’s been unprofessional. There’s a point where voicing your discomfort with the organization’s goals or choices becomes unprofessional, but I don’t think Martin has come anywhere near that line yet.
It's the thing we've all been taught as kids. It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
You’re uncomfortable? Talk to management. They’re not unreasonable if you’re in the Rockets organization. Jonathan Feigen isn’t going to make the bad trade talk go away. He’s not going to find you a new team, and he’s not going to tuck you in at night. You want to leave? Tell Daryl, he’ll work on getting you out of town.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I don't get it.
Maybe I haven’t seen the right interview, but what I’ve seen, he hasn’t really cryed about anything. I noticed his head down, but he still talks of teammates and that it’s a business. I can’t see anything that is crossing the line into a big hissy fit.
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Clutchfans account on YouTube has it.
Even in the interview posted here the reporters make light of the fact that Thursday night and Friday the interview was going to be drastically different from what they got today and he smiles and laughs, acknowledging the whole thing.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Don't see anything...
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like guys here just need to have someone to pick on about totally nothing
We should just stop blowing this out of proportion. I feel like the guys who are saying he’s “crying” are just taking it the wrong way purposely because they either don’t like him and/or just want him traded asap and are using that as a weak ass excuse to do it.
I hate david stern!
This is just a case of difference of opinion results in people's victim complex being triggered.
It’s perception and reducing it down to calling people “haters” or making a persecution of it is just childish, and given some of the stupid shit I’ve done, that’s saying a lot.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
People read into comments what they want to read.
You can go to clutchfans and see it evolve 24/7. It’s pretty amazing, really.
Of course, I don't deny
that my personal opinion is reflected in how I react to what I percieve. However, that must mean journalists feel the same way in the particular case, as I have seen tweets posted here and on ESPN remarking how upset Martin is.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
The issue isn't whether or not he's upset
it’s whether or not he is – as you characterize him – “whining.”
And I really don’t think you can get that from his words and actions.
I concur
"I’m not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information." Bill Watterson~Calvin and Hobbes
by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 11, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Well,
that is my opinion sir, which by definition can’t be wrong. As Ron Burgundy would say, shall we agree to disagree? San Diego does mean a whale’s vagina.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Only if the opinion is stating a fact
and not an individual perception, which then it wouldn’t be an opinion but a statement. You may be right. He might be just a bit irritated. I worry it is deeper. Neither you nor I know for sure since we haven’t spoken to him directly. Or have you? Son of a…
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
No, no
see, if my opinion is something like “Veronica is a bitch,” but the perceptions I’m basing those things on are, in fact, incorrect (like, say, I’m basing that off of things that are taken out of context, or she didn’t say the things I though she did, etc.), then my opinion is wrong.
This is related to the popular belief that what is “subjective” is necessarily unfalsifiable. Totally incorrect.
by Only_A_Lad on Dec 11, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
but how do you know they are out of context
if you haven’t went to the source? Is your opinon of the context in which Martin said DM “has shown his cards”, etc, any more correct than anyone else’s? What validate’s your opinion over any other person?
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Well,
1) It was an example, not meant to be perfectly congruous.
2) Some stuff was taken out of context. For example, the comment where Martin said, “It’s clear what they want” was initially believed to be referring to the Rockets’ FO, but in a later Chron article it was clear that he was referring to the Hornets.
I am really enjoying our conversation
especially given that the finale of Boardwalk Empire was a mofo. I mean in the most sincere means that I do understand your stance. I know the guy is human. I also know some of the stuff was inflammatory crap based on the media’s need to “start shit”. However, just a few key things, such as the “cards” remark worried me as to how his trade worth may be affected. Unfortunately, this issue isn’t one between us that can be settled out of the public eye. If he would have done this and there was no trade speculation involving him, I think I would be less bothered. Do you feel this may be an issue and that DM feels he now has to trade him, or that it will blow over, your opinon of course?
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Perhaps I wasn't completely clear
He should not be displaying any displeasure, or as you characterize him – “angry; upset”, in public. That is what I take issue with. Do like he did today and smile and laugh it off. That is what I expect. You said yourself earlier that is what you gathered from his words? Well, he shouldn’t be angry or upset in the public view. It lowballs us in any trading scenario if other organizations know he is miffed and we’re having to offload him. That is all I was thinking.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Again
just my opinion based off of him being a public figure who is possibly involved in active talks, whose displeasure could affect those talks by changing the Rox position of one wanting to trade him to one needing to. Doesn’t matter if it’s true. It is again perception.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
It's kind of odd
to think that you “need” to trade someone because they’re a little miffed right now.
I just don’t buy it. So because he feels a little underappreciated right now he’s going to start deliberately shooting bricks a month from now? Or is it some unconscious thing, like just before he takes a shot he’ll hear Morey’s voice in his head saying “Traded for Kwame Brown…. Brown…. Brown.. brown….” (it’s echoey) and then he’ll miss?
If Martin were giving press conferences that were saying “I am fucking done in Houston,” then sure, his trade value plummets and we have a problem. But someone being a little upset right now doesn’t impact shit.
While it would be absurd
to think that he would do something so disingenuous, is there a perception that he could be a problem in the locker room from another team wanting him? If he feels underappreciated is he more likely going to want to be traded? I have no way of knowing the conversations between his agent and our FO. I just feel like it would have been better handled with a bit more subtlety is all.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
If it someone's opinion he is showing too much
emotion when he should be happy with the life he has, it is their opinion. I have no problem with Martin as a player and I am commenting on what I percieve as his particular behavior in this instance and the concern among local journalists and the fanbase that it may cause issue in the locker room. Please don’t construe that as a personal attack for childish reasons.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Morey is a man with a mission.
Very encouraging to see he’s not deterred after the shitstorm of the last three days.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Dec 11, 2011 5:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think we should just start throwing out names of big men in the league
see which ones are plausible
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 6:39 PM CST reply actions
From my extensive research of Twitter and fansites around the web that list is:
Every single big man in the NBA is available for Kevin Martin OR Luis Scola and if we get half their roster we’ll let them have Courtney Lee or Patrick Patterson.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
by BD34 on Dec 11, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
user named "camouflage14," mentions Brad Miller
Brad Miller detected
by Only_A_Lad on Dec 11, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Jordan signed the offer sheet from the Warriors
Clippers now have 3 days to decide
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
So we're pretty much out of that race.
Unless we do some kind of sign and trade, which isn’t likely.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Which sucks, but it happens.
Clippers are in talks with Hornets right now for CP3.
Yup
Aminu, Kaman, Bledsoe, Gordon and 2 1st round picks. If Paul will stay of course and not opt out.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
We were in the race?
Last I checked he was a RFA and I don’t recall hearing any reports about him to Houston even being discussed by anyone other than fans.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
The Jordan talk seemed confined only to fan speculation
Jordan doesn’t really seem like what the Rockets want or need right now. There was that article or whatever about how he only scored something like 20 times off of post moves last season. He’s an intriguing player, but not really what the Rockets need.
Isn't Dalembert similar?
Obviously older, but not a lot of pretty moves from him. Mostly a rebound, dunk, and weak side help kind of guy. I know Jordan was never really coming here, but still.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Dalembert
seems to be the Rockets’ last target amongst FA centers. His offer, if there even was an offer extended and it wasn’t just horseshit, was relatively small and seemed to be offered when the Rockets were about to get Pau and try to sign Nene. He’s either insurance or a backup or a starter because Chuck walked and if we get no one else we’ll still need a center.
So comparing him to Sammy seems appropriate.
I think as it stands Sammy is that usual hook up contact in your phone.
We could probably get him but it’s really only if we can’t find any better because we know there’s a good chance he’ll come over.
The only problem is you have to strike out with everyone else and you know that you might tie up too much time on your hook up that you could have just made a better decision somewhere else.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Also referred to as the "old standby".
I would have much rather have gotten some “strange” though.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
I agree Lad
I’m not saying DM doesn’t have something else up his sleeve or he’s not trying, but we can’t make someone trade with us. Kind of a crappy spot to be in.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
I wonder if the Nuggets
would be interested in a sign and trade for Nene. I know just getting Nene seems less appealing than Gasol and Nene…but couldn’t hurt
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 6:50 PM CST reply actions
I am
but all I heard about Martin was that the Wolves made an offer, and that was from early this morning I think. Nobody really knows what the Rockets will do next. But we do have Jeremy Lin now.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
No idea
but I think it was mostly wishful thinking on the part of Adelman
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
The Wolves thing with Martin was reported by a very very bad source.
Adelman would most likely really want Martin and Martin is someone they’re looking to move. We have a recent history with Minny so I’d keep an eye on it in case.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
It's such a let down
after all of this talk about new players, our addition is Lin. I know it’s not over, but it ain’t lookin good. Although when I get to see some real NBA games, I might cry tears of joy.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'll still be mad at the league but Lin man... We're title contenders with Lin.
I mean, yea, we have to share the China market with DC (Yi Jianlian) but still, Lin is a difference maker. Probably a franchise PG.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
lol
exactly. Who knows if he’ll keep playing basketball…I’m sure he’ll be looking to follow up his breakout single “Learn Chinese”
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
cant cp3 still take legal allegation against nba monday?
the original trade could still go thru then rite?
I can't be the only one who would get a basketball chub if Paul filed action and the League went back and said "It has to go through."
Force Cuban to suck it.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
by BD34 on Dec 11, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Id love that, the only problem is that how far do you go back.
You could make the argument that any other free agent signing should be cancelled as the rockets could have offered them a contract with the saved cap space. I cant see them going back on the decision, too late now
Take care of what you can, not the speculative.
Free agency signings can’t be rectified, the trade can be.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Fair enough, but Stern's ego is way too big to admit a mistake.
That would involve him admitting he doesnt have the same powers as a fantasy commissioner.
I feel like if Stern were to ever admit anything he'd done wrong, it'd be Jack Nicholson style
Mr. Stern, did you rig the 1985 draft, skew the results of the 2002 Western Conference Finals, unfairly move the Seattle Supersonics in 2008, possibly hinder the future of three NBA teams by vetoing a trade in 2011, and order the Code Red? “You’re damn right I did!”
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
It would be funny
but if this goes to court it won’t be decided for a long time. If Paul won, he’d be looking at receiving damages, anyways.
Depends on how quick the NBA blinks.
Enough of a potential disaster and they blink sooner rather than later.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Chances are, if we commit money to Dalembert we're in for a shitty season.
I don’t even have a solid opinion on anything anymore.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
last offseason was okay
unless you seriously expected Lebron to sign here or something (did we even make an offer?).
Pritchard got fired for no good reason, there was that rumor going around that Donnie Walsh was going to resign from the Knicks because Lebron didn’t sign in New York, we got all those Ron Artest post-championship interviews… shit was great.
The best part was when Lebron invited all those kids from Akron to come see him leave their home team. That was hilarious.
Lol at the last part.
It was a great offseason that made for a great NBA season, but I like most of y’all wish the Rockets could’ve gotten something done.
I love that lebron went through the decision, its now a goldmine for comedians
and tv shows. So many great jokes on Lebron decision to leave cleveland
The decision was absolutely wonderful.
See, I don’t really care that he was needlessly melodramatic about it. Whatever. I think it raises very real concerns about what remains of ESPN’s journalistic credibility, but that’s not Lebron’s fault.
Anyways, it was great for three reasons:
1) I fully expected him to remain in Cleveland once they mentioned that all the kids there were from the Akron Boys and Girls Club. How can you invite all these local kids and then leave? I think that’s what the kids these days call “trolling.”
2) It completely cemented the image of Lebron as being completely out of touch with reality, which is appropriate.
3) It finally confirmed that his boyhood-friends-turned-entourage-turned-handlers are just as out of touch with reality as Lebron is (or are so concerned with making money off Lebron that they just don’t care). Simmons has that “VP of Common Sense” idea, and this was perhaps the best example yet provided, I think. Surely someone in his crew should have said, “Hey, Lebron, what you’re planning isn’t a good idea.”
Hilarious.
When I'm lazy
http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1gBxSp8cN
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
But unlike hoopshype and clutchfans,
its the only website design that doesnt make me regret looking for information
Twitter is honestly the fastest way to find information.
Clutchfans, Hoopshype, and Hoopsworld all have their downfalls.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Twitter comes from those sources though.
I like Twitter because It’s a mix of all the sources out there. It’s nice to see everything all on one page.
It's worth noting this article is by Bill Ingram, a reporter notoriously known for having some awful sources.
Rockets and Grizzlies talking trade?
http://www.hoopsworld.com/houston-rockets-memphis-grizzlies-talking-trade/
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
In other news
Adelman is bringing bonzi wells back to the NBA
I can't believe he's only 35
stunned when I saw that
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'm filing this under breaking news.
Mostly because I thought he was already dead.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
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Rockets cut Thabeet
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According to insider
Rockets use amnesty rights on Hasheem Thabeet’s contract, sign Marc Gasol to four-year, $55 million offer sheet
Hollinger on ESPN insider
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Going to be screwed if they match
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
I don't think so
I think we planned on them matching, Thabeet got amnestied because Morey needs the cap room to go after FA’s. I think Morey would be more surprised if the Grizzlies don’t match the deal than if they do.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
So now we amnesty the only center we have
If they sign marc gasol, were fucked, not that thabeet was the answer, but at least we had a center in our lineup
I was saying that
Morey plans on signing a FA center anyway so what does it matter one way or the other?
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Well my concern is that if he strikes out on marc gasol, what center is left
I feel like Nene coming here depends on us signing gasol. If not, were striking out on Nene and Gasol and end up overpaying for dalembert
Hit it right on the head
If plan A-F don’t work and we end up having to settle for Dalembert, he may as well not sign him and go a different route.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
That was horrible english
I apologize to anyone reading…im tired
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
What? I don't understand your comment
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
My comment above that
“if plan A through F don’t work” and “he may as well not sign him” just sounded dumb after reading it back.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Twink! What are you saying!
hehe, just dicking with you man.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Hey Twin
where do you think we go from here? Is there anyway to make a splash? Do you see anyone besides LA or the Nets trying to make a move we would want in on?
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
This is just my two sense
I think Morey ends up getting the guys he wants (Nene and Gasol). Both are highly unlikely, but I guess I have more belief in him than a lot of people. I think he moves a few players to offer Nene a contract he’ll agree to. Then later in the season when the Lakers are ready to deal for Howard, he gets in there to pick up Gasol. It’s all wishful thinking though…don’t listen to a word I say.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you're right
I just am getting the feeling that Morey went all in, and said fuck it if doesnt work. At this point, either he looks like a genius and gets Nene and Gasol, or he blames stern for screwing him over
Well
he wouldn’t be lying about the Stern part.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
We have to give it to Morey
Hes being ballsy. Either he improves the team significantly by adding Gasol and Nene, or is now forced to rebuild. At least by the end of free agency we’ll have a better idea what direction the team is going
Well I would argue that Dalembert
would be better than Thabeet, so even if we get stuck with him it is an improvement.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
He is better
but I think it would be in their best interest to save the 18 million over 2 years
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Save it for what?
Do you have a FA in mind?
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Not for this offseason
save it for the future. Dalembert isn’t going to make much of a difference this season (If the roster sits as it is)
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
There is only a difference of
4 mil between Thabeet and Dalembert, I don’t think that is cap killing money.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Well if he's been cut using the amnesty
that gives the team 12 million of cap space (I think)…sign Dalembert and you’re locked into a guy at about 9 mil a year. It’s basically a patch on things just because they lost out on everyone else.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 11, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
He is better
I’m just afraid as to what his price tag will be. And its not like he has any chance of getting better at this point, so you wont be paying for potential either
If you look at it
Thabeet was going to make just over 5 mil this year so if we sign Dalembert to 9 mil, it’s only really 4 mil more than we were already going to spend and we have a better center.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
I just hope the clippers match DeAndre Jordan
and that we didnt miss out on him
A better center for what though?
The playoffs?
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Isn't being better
a goal in of itself? Sure the eventual goal is the playoffs and beyond, but you don’t get there overnight. If you try to get there overnight Stern will veto it.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 11, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
True
but how does this help us for the playoffs and beyond is what I am asking? You think we will be playoff bound in 2 years? At this rate we’re going to have to change our teams name to fool FA’s into signing here, haha. Getting an extra 2 wins a year over Chuck is not going to be worth spending that money for no apparent reason. Sammy is not that good. On the flipside, we have no center, so we’re probably stuck anyway, so no reason to discuss.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
I think thats the idea
Its not like we have a young center to groom anyways at this point. So unless we make Hill our center for the season, we dont have a choice
Sorry to rain on everyone's parade but according to Feigen, Thabeet wasn't amnestied last night.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Conflicting new reports
what we live off of I guess, haha.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
I just meant since we are out of big men.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Hell, we can try and outbid Minn
for Bonzi Wells while we’re at it, LOL. Just grab every carcass we can dig up!
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
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