Commentary regarding Houston Rockets, NBA team, 12-02-11
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I just can't quit you, NBA. I'm back, as you knew I would be, slinking around sports sites, checking my timeline, commenting on posts. I feel so shamed, so manipulated, and yet I'm definitely up for some hot trade action. The Rockets don't even have to be involved.
That begs the questions - should the Rockets be involved in trade activity? Do the Rockets need a trade? How about a free agent signing? Are we doomed? Find out what I think regarding these questions after the JUMP...
1. Should the Rockets be involved in trade activity? The short answer, sure, why not? The Rockets have made many trades over the past few seasons, bringing in lots of young, intriguing players. Here are a few (that remain with the team): Kyle Lowry, Kevin Martin, Terrence Williams, Courtney Lee, Hasheem Thabeet, Goran Dragic, Jordan Hill, Jonny Flynn, Luis Scola. Donatas Motiejunas also came via trade. I think we bought the pick that allowed us to draft Chase Budinger. They've also nabbed draft picks along the way. That seems to be a lot of trades to me.
So when you find yourself saying "The Rockets never trade for anyone! Wah!" please check yourself. The Rockets make lots and lots of trades. They've drafted and traded for a simply staggering number of interesting players with honest-to-God tremendous upside potential. And what have they sent away for all this? Aaron Brooks (currently laboring for a Chinese penal institution basketball team), Shane Battier, the corpse of Tracy McGrady and Carl Landry, basically. We could actually re-sign both Battier and Landry should the stars so align.
But I know what you mean, of course. The Rockets haven't turned that formidable array of players into one shining star, never mind that we might not have even had the money to do so until last year, and maybe not even then. The problem is the trend. Players pick a city that appears to offer the fast and furious lifestyle they want, and decide that they will meet there and form a super team. (Which probably dooms Boston in the future just as much as Houston.)
So far the verdict remains out on the concept. Miami got to the finals, but they couldn't defeat one ailing German and his motley pals. New York? Snort. As long as James Dolan owns the Knicks and continues to think Isaiah Thomas was a good hire, I'll remain skeptical of their chances. The Lakers remain that overpaying Evil Empire ($90+ million in commited salary for 2011-12) and the weather is very nice indeed. The Purple and Yellow Death Star will float above the western horizon until further notice.
Eventually I think the new CBA will play out against the "Superfriends" teams, as 25 other owners stated fairly strongly, and crafted a deal, so that their purpose in life isn't to lose money and fill in the schedule for 5 super teams. But, again, we'll see. Deals often shake out very differently than they were envisioned. The CBA before this one was touted as an owners win, yet there were the owners using one of management's nastier control tactics, the lockout, until quite recently.
For now, the "Superfriends" are all the rage, despite the fact that the Knicks have next to nothing left to trade New Orleans after the Carmelo Anthony deal. That probably means that the Rockets aren't going to be involved in dealings for Chris Paul, and likely not Dwight Howard either. Neither player is actually a free agent by the way, so expect more of the tedious drama that surrounded The Carmelite Ascension last season to persist well into this one.
2. Well, that was a long way to go to say "Expect the Expected" when it comes to trades, what about Free Agents?
Now you're talking. What do the Rockets need, 1, 2, 3 all together now... A CENTER! (No points for guessing it.) Interestingly enough there are several usable centers on the market. While I think that Hasheem Thabeet remains an intriguing tall guy, we need a center. There are several to consider: Nene Hilario, Tyson Chandler, Samuel Dalembert, DeAndre Jordan. These players have been well covered in other excellent posts so I'll just say this - I'd take any of them. We likely won't get Jordan, as the Clippers can match any offer on their restricted free agent, but they are the Clippers, so you never know. Tyson Chandler will be a Maverick again. Cuban will spend the money, pay the tax, for a shot at another ring. So that leaves Dalembert and Nene. I think Nene is the more well rounded player, but we honestly don't need much, if any, offense from the spot, so if its a max type deal for Nene or a much smaller deal for Dalembert, please give me Dalembert.
A couple of other names to consider - Greg Oden, and Joel Przybilla. If Przy is healthy and moving ok now, he'd be a nice defensive center for little money. He's better on D than you think, his roasting at the hands of Yao excepted. And Greg Oden, well, someone is going to sign him. It's probably Portland. And he's probably never going to be healthy, but if, if... No, we've suffered enough.
I also think we should bring back Chuck Hayes. He's a FA too, you know.
3. Are the Rockets doomed? Should they tank for a top pick?
I don't think the Rockets are doomed, and I think tanking might be difficult if the current roster develops according to reasonable projections. But of course Kevin McHale is at the controls, and that really could mean anything. Young players sometimes take a step back before breaking through, and that could happen as well.
We might see our young team get lots of playing time and yet find ourselves picking in the top 3. We might make a deep playoff run as a deep, talented, Rocket team simply grinds down opponents with their pace and athleticism. Either outcome seems possible. 8th or 9th in the West seems less likely somehow, as I think the distribution of outcome will be towards the high end or the low. But that's not based on 10,000 simulations, just on what I think about this group of players.
Adding a real center almost guarantees us a playoff spot, in my opinion. Failing to add one, and Thabeet and Hill and The Other Cousin failing to deliver (and no Chuck Hayes to step in) could put us far into the lottery. Given the weird way the season will unfold, there probably isn't a better year to do it. This year's draft class is shaping up to be far far better than last year's. ( It's not only getting that pick, it's getting that pick in the right draft. And then being lucky again on top of it. You could get Tim Duncan, you could get Greg Oden.)
But doomed? Doomed such that we should set forth to tank? No. Just because our players haven't been anointed the future of the NBA doesn't mean they aren't capable of great play. Young teams sometimes learn a lot, and lose a lot, so that could happen as well, and the tankers will get their wish. i know that's not at all definitive, but it seems equally weighted to me, with perhaps a little more weight to the upside.
I can't argue with the moves Morey and company have made. If no one is buying what you're selling, and the Superfriends model holds sway, I just don't see another way forward than this one. I refuse to call it hopeless until our young team actually gets some playing time. For all those who are sick of low lottery finishes, I honestly think this team either finishes well into or well out of, the playoffs.
Mainly though, I want to see some basketball, specifically, Rockets basketball.
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FA sucks and we should stay way unless we can get a good enough rim protector cheep.
IMO Gasol will get matched by grizz, jordan will get matched or traded, Nene thinks hes worth 12M and Dalembert cant hold his feet in the post (jumps around a lot). Morey needs to do something about our C position though.
next years center FA.
Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic – $18.1 million – Early Termination Option ($19.5 million)
Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers – $14.9 million – Team Option ($16.1 million)
Brook Lopez, New Jersey Nets – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chris Kaman, L.A. Clippers – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
Greg Monroe, Detroit Pistons – $3.0 million – Team Option ($3.2 million)
JaVale McGee, Washington Wizards – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Marcus Camby, Portland Trail Blazers – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
Robin Lopez, Phoenix Suns – $2.8 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, Utah Jazz – $10.9 million – Unrestricted
Earl Barron, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Miami HEAT – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.2 million)
Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
David Andersen, New Orleans Hornets – $2.7 million – Unrestricted*
Hasheem Thabeet, Houston Rockets – $5.1 million – Team Option ($6.5 million)
Kosta Koufos, Denver Nuggets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats – $6.9 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Ryan Hollins, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Dragic, TWill, Bud, Hill and Thabeet are all up in 2012.
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Nice list by the way.
If we don’t get a FA center this year, I imagine we’ll get one next year.
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Hibbert is the kinda center
I wouldn’t mind getting on the cheap, especially considering teams aren’t built around the C these days.
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The more I read on TDS and in the comments section the more I realize one flaw in most fan's thinking.
Only Houston Rockets fans could laud their young players and ability to develop so much and then imply that playing them instantly means tanking. What is it? Are they good and going to improve or are they utter crap that is intentionally going to make us lose? Pick one and stick to it rather than using whichever line suits our needs.
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by BD34 on Dec 2, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Exactly
From now on I’m not going to say tanking, I’m going to refer to it as “doing the right thing”. Play the young guys and see what you have
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 2, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
Doing the right thing
aka not doing something really f****ng stupid. Like throwing huge money at somebody just to “do something”. We have no clue what we have. Missing out on Vegas this summer put us in a bad position. We don’t know how our group will play. We don’t even have any way to make an educated guess. It would be nice to know what we would be dealing before we make a deal, or toss a huge contract at someone we are stuck with for years.
The Rockets are very good at not wasting money.
I think they are sometimes so focussed on getting good value they miss good investments.
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wouldnt that just be lying?
cause you really just meant tanking.
God forbid a Tebow situation occurs and the young guy play you out of the lottery maybe even into the first round. Then you’re left to doubt if it was just luck and how you missed your chance at the bonifide sure thing
Well it's different.
Pre lottery, when the Rockets were pretty bad and could put themselves in position to get Hakeem they somehow got worse, and nabbed him. That was tanking, though you could also call it “taking advantage of inefficiencies in the system”.
If you play the guys you have, and you play hard, you aren’t tanking, you’re just losing. The fact that you’re developing your players is the main point, right? Well one of them.
Now tanking carries no guaranteed reward. A lot of teams went in the tank for Durant and Oden, it didn’t happen for all but two of them.
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How is that really different from what we've been doing?
We’ve only gotten younger over the years, and a bunch of those young players played by default and they played hard. I guess the difference is that we won more than we probably should? because Kevin Martin and Luis Scola are some how producing star like number?
I’m ok that Martin and Scola are on the table, I’m okay with playing young players, they should. I dont really get is why are we talking about “tanking” now, when we have no idea how the team is going to adjust to McHale, what the playing time distribution will be like. We could’ve discussion whether or not to “tank” at any time, so why be defeatist and discussion before seeing the team play?
Just want to add, I’m pretty sure Portland picked up Oden’s option or gave him an one year extension worth 8.8 million before the lockout
It's not really different.
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I think the thought is that you play your young players and that they will initially be bad so you will lose games and eventually they should improve and mature as they lose games and by next year will be better.
So if you play them now, they will be bad and you will lose more games but eventually they will develop and become good.
My issue with it is that I feel tanking denotes intentionally screwing yourself over to lose.
Whereas playing the young guns means you’re going to take lumps and most likely lose some close games you might have win otherwise, but the next time those games come around, you’re team is ready for it.
I think right now the Rockets are trying to have their cake and eat it too but what’s not addressed is that’s not how the NBA tends to work. The NBA has teams that are either rebuilding (perpetually or otherwise) or contending (Perpetually or otherwise). The Rockets are in that middle ground where they wind up hovering above the line to improve via the draft but don’t have enough draw to compete for anything other than a 1st round knock out. If we tilt towards rebuilding, with a competent front office, we increase our odds of entering the contender category because let’s face it. This middle road or contender pipe dream has failed us the last 5 years.
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I agree with your definition, henceforth I'll call it
“playing the roster” and “letting the chips fall where they may”
Where I perhaps disagree is that I think there’s enough talent to make some noise on this roster as it stands, minus one center.
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Make some noise
But do you think that we can win a championship? Can we beat the Heat, Dallas, Lakers, OKC, Boston 4 out of 7 times to win a ring? I want the team to be able to do that, to contend for a championship, sure we can get into the playoffs as 8th or 7th seed but eventually lose out because we don’t have the star power.
We're not doing that any time soon because we can't pull the trades and no one wants to come to Houston to play.
So wouldn’t it make more sense to just go through and rebuild and take a shot at the in house talent/draft?
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Have some perspective.
The Rockets just now got out from under two massive contracts for star players who couldn’t play. This team has had to retool from expectations of contending with Yao and McGrady to becoming something else. I think they’ve done a good job with that. This is mid stream. The thing is, no one, except Miami and NY have gotten big time free agents. That’s 28 other teams, we’re not special, or especially inept.
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I never said we were inept, I am also going to provide some perspective.
Houston has done a good job given they are on their way out from under two massive contracts but what even middle tier free agents have looked at Houston as a desirable location even when Yao or Tracy were available? How many free agents were knocking down our door after the 22 game win streak? Our most notable free agents have been Bonzi Wells and Brad Miller.
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I wonder how hard we've actually tried on FAs.
The biggest ones, sure. But thinking about it, my suspicion is that the Rockets think most mid-tier FA signings are bad value. The Rockets continually trade for players whose cheapest years they control. Their interest in FAs beyond the top tier or the exception seems limited at best.
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If I'm honest, I'm partial to the Wizard's method.
BOYD (Bring Out Your Dead). Take on deals with horrible contracts, let it expire, enjoy your flexibility later and draft intelligently/around a young core.
The Rockets are definitely interested in controlling their fiscal destiny. I have to say, mid tier FA’s tend to be overpriced, no one is there to really drive the price high but enough are there to keep it above fair value. The big names are the ones we try to swing for but I think there’s also an element of culpability shifting when that happens. “We tried but we aimed high.”
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True
considering DM himself said top tier talent is the best value. However, as unfortunate as it may seem, I agree that in the NBA you have to lose sometimes to win.
My thing is that people think we can force people to play here because we have the money. As the present landscape in the NBA shows, some stars will take less or the same to play elsewhere. FA’s do not want to come here. H-town does not have the glitz NY or MIA have. Can’t be a homer. I do believe that SOME of our current young talent will develop nicely. But as I said before, I don’t advocate out and out tanking. Yet, with the way this team is set up, I believe we are going to lose as if we are tanking without actually doing so. DM knows he’s in a helluva spot. Please season ticket holders and fans while rebuilding a franchise. I think we just need to accept we are going to lose alot but watch and pick out the good from the bad to build around when we finally pull that stud. I’m in it for the long haul and understand that it may take several years. This isn’t an easy bake oven here. Shit’s gotta simmer.
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by A.J. G on Dec 3, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
True but
changing coaches midstream with two different styles and moving to the last game of the 2nd round was a team going in the right direction. Now that Yao is definitely out of the picture we have a real chance here.
The question is can we get the center we need? My opinion is that we go after the best there is on both ends of the court and if we settle for less we grab the guy who is the best defender.
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by mjdinhouston on Dec 2, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly don't know which it is.
My experience is that sometimes talented young teams have rough seasons. Sometimes they don’t. Rarely are they just average. If you can tell me which it’ll be I’ll happily stick with it. A good recent example is OKC – they weren’t good, and then they were very good. Nothing much in between.
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I would at least like to get some notion
about what we do have. Has anyone seen anything about Jordan Hill? What if he reports with an extra 15/20 lbs of muscle? Might find a center there, but who knows.
I’m thinking there are way too many questions yet to answer to make big moves right now.
That's what comes next for me.
I wanted to get these thoughts out of the way.
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I'm still laughing at the title
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
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by ak2themax on Dec 2, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
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What do you guys think about the Grizzlies way of doing things? They took shots on talented if disgruntled players and right now it looks like its working out.
I think the Grizzlies and the Thunder are the models we should be after.
Suffer some bad years, take some flyers, develop the guys, and become an “up and comer” with longevity.
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But didn’t the Grizzlies do it more through trades than the draft?
I mean, I think everyone agrees our current roster is at best a pesky 7th/8th seed. The question is how to improve it.
by VBG on Dec 2, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
The Grizzlies gutted their roster via trade to open up cap space, then drafted and took flyers on guys.
The most important thing about Memphis is that they swung some deals for “bad” guys, drafted intelligently, used their cap space wisely, and took time. My problem is that Rockets fans seem to want the quick fix on this automatic assumption that we’re better than we are, which is fundamentally untrue.
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Is Memphis really equipped to win a championship?
They’re a good team, but I don’t see the high ceiling there. If Rudy Gay or Zach Randolph is your best player, I can’t see a championship in your future.
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 2, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
They lost in 7 with Shane Battier in for Rudy Gay. I think they’re definitely good enough.
by VBG on Dec 2, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno, that was the line on Dirk before.
Good enough to reach a finals maybe, win 50 games a year, but that’s it. Now?
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Underrating Memphis much?
We’re talking about the team with Marc Gasol (According to most contributors here he is the panacea for all things the Rockets suffer!), one of the game’s best scorers in Rudy Gay, one of the games better PF’s in Zach Randolph, and budding youngsters like Xavier Henry.
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It's certainly taken Rudy Gay a while, and there's still the
Rudy Gay line 22 pts/9rb/1ast and the fact that he just vanishes on D for long stretches of the season.
Memphis, against all expectation, got some great work from Randolph. Do you want to be the team giving him a 5 year deal? I’d also rather have Pau than Marc, but that ground is well covered, and Memphis had its reasons.
Kudos to them, I think they’ve got a good team. It could go very wrong, but it certainly looks good now.
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I think Memphis is in a very good spot.
Marc is a young, physical center and Z-Bo is proof that it’s not tough for PF’s to put up great numbers and rebounds. I’d like to have Memphis’s roster, wouldn’t you?
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It's also product of 3 consecutive years of not breaking 30 in the win column
Z-Bo is a double double machine where ever he goes, I wouldnt say it’s easy for any PF to put up his numbers. Also I didnt realize Z-bo is 29 already, I though he was much younger
they played well almost in spite of the fact that 1 of their high draft pick was injured, another was severely outplayed by Tony Allen, and Hasheem Thabeet is with us
I’d love to have Memphis’s roster, but strangely enough, What really lead that team to success was not really their high draft picks, rather it’s their lower value picks
by NVP on Dec 2, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
I believe we were battling this great roster
up until the last week for the last playoff spot with our shitty roster. wow
I agree
I don’t want to do it the Celtics method. I know they won a championship, but they are nowhere now. I would rather have a dynasty then mortgage my team for eternity for a couple of good years. I like how Chi-town did their buisness as well.
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I'd say we've done the same thing.
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by Xiane on Dec 2, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They want their own cake and want to eat it too...
I am still convinced that the owner and GM are not on the same page, or at least wand to build this thing differently. “Build a contending team while staying competitve in the process.” It’s not easy, there are certainly several GMs that have tried and failed. That’s the challenge here. As a fan and ticket holder, I have become more patient, however I feel that Houston shoud not have to follow OKC model and could be more like Boston’s 07 draft night.
When it comes to trades, value, and the draft, I think Morey is one of the best. When it comes to impressing free agents, not extending players/coaches, giving coaches ultimatums, and keep current players from checking rumormills every day, he’s by far the worst.
If you can feel them, they are real.
I'm not so sure. Except for the disaster start to last season the Rockets probably make the playoffs - even with Yao's money tied up.
I do agree that the value-based approach has its downside, and that is sometimes there isn’t a substitute that you can bring in cheaper. NBA talents can be grouped, but some are singular.
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Outside of getting guys laid
there isn’t much the guy can do. I have lived all over the world and H-town is not somewhere I would go if I was single with that kinda money. The hardest thing I think we are all having to face is this is not the old pro sports era. Guys went and did what they were told. We live in the age of the holdout. Players can hold a franchise hostage if they don’t get what they want.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
And yet, the premise of the NBA is that there are 30 teams, and you
shouldn’t be doomed if you’re in Milwaukee or Memphis or Houston or Phoenix. The new CBA I think, will address this with FA deals being only 4 years, and more money/years going to the original team. We had that before, but with shortening the max FA deal from 5 to 4 a 5th and extra year, and extra money is more important.
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I don't feel like the new CBA will be as effective
as many of us hope. I still think players are going to look and see they can make up that 5th year on endorsements and still go somewhere they want to go and have a good chance to win a championship, if they are an elite talent that is. Of course, elite talent is what we are after and they still have all the cards in deciding where they want to go.
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Well with the amnesty
we can take a chance on Tyson Chandler. Its not a guarantee he stays in Dallas. Bidding will drive up his price and Dallas has two other FA’s that they need to sign. We can take a chance on Oden or Nene.
Chandler I think would be great but I think Dalembert is more probable.
"Do not panic, all is well" Kevin Bacon in the parade scene in the movie Animal House
My understanding (after being corrected)
is that amnesty will only apply to deals currently in place, not to ones signed after the CBA is passed. That’s a shame, but I’m pretty sure that’s how it is.
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What about players you trade for
that are still in their same contract as before?
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 4, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Nope, they have to be on your team, under contract
when they sign in the new CBA.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Actually, that's the beautiful gray area.
Unless someone can provide me a link the language states:
Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA
(only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) and have 100% of
the player’s salary removed from team salary for Cap and Tax purposes.
The language has absolutely NOTHING to do with a contract’s original team. Only whether or not the player is on a contract currently. Contracts signed under this CBA are not eligible to be waived however, the league is not so sure about contracts traded. I’d err on the side of all contracts being fair game. It makes some sense to make it any current contract because you have some teams like the Rockets and the Kings, teams with no point in having an amnesty clause if it has to be a player on their current roster.
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