Decoding the Puzzle of Jordan Hill
Take a peek at the Rockets' roster and you'll see one peppered with players the Rockets have taken flyers on, most notably four lottery draftees from the 2009 draft class. Over the past year and a half, the Rockets have acquired Jordan Hill, Terrence Williams, Hasheem Thabeet, and Jonny Flynn with the hope that at least one or two of them will realize their potential and contribute in big ways to the squad going forward.
So, who's going to step up and be the guy who shirks the "bust" label on the Rockets? Of all those guys, it has to be the man who's shown the biggest flashes these past two years, Jordan Hill.
After coming to Houston in the Tracy McGrady deal, Hill wowed fans with an impressive motor and some solid moves in the paint. Surely this guy was set to spring onto the scene and become a starter, there was no stopping him.
However, after the Rockets decided to move Hill to center out of necessity last year, he flopped miserably. Gone was the confident player who made aggressive moves in the paint and swatted shots away with ease. Instead, the old Hill was replaced by a player who rarely knew where to be on defense and piled up the turnovers like it was his job.
So why do I have hope that he can succeed next year? It's simple, with another year of experience, a year of coaching under the best post player of all time, and consistent playing time, Hill is in a perfect position to make the jump from an inconsistent 11th man to one of the better bench bigs in the league. Yes, that's a big leap, but it's one I think he can make.
For years, the Rockets have drafted and traded for the undersized power forward, finding a true market inefficiency in these players. Patrick Patterson, Carl Landry, Luis Scola, Chuck Hayes, and Joey Dorsey are just a few examples of them, so landing Jordan Hill was a departure from the norm.
At 6'10" with solid bouncing ability, Hill was unlike any big man prospect Morey had ever acquired, but he lacked the awareness to dominate as well as he should.
Who knows, there's always the ever-present possibility that Hill could go the way of Tyrus Thomas or Brendan Wright. Still, neither of those players flashed the offensive potential that he did amid their struggles. For young players, it's better to see flashes of brilliance and stretches of complete idiocy than consistent mediocrity. At least in Hill we know that he can do it, the same cannot be said for Hasheem Thabeet or Terrence Williams.
If he can just make the good moments outnumber the bad ones (I've understated how difficult this is), he could be the breakout player of the team next year. Patrick Patterson may be the popular choice for this distinction, but some enthusiasm must be tempered with Patterson until he shows a better one-on-one offensive game. So please Kevin McHale, Free Jordan Hill!
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Hill showed a lot of promise at the 4.
Last year we tried him at the 5 and it was not very pretty. Though not as big, I thought Patterson looked better at the 4. Seems a waste of Hill’s potential to be the 3rd 4. So either we make him a 5 or we look to move him or Scola. Maybe McHale can do that. I am a big fan Scola but only want to trade him in a deal for a real starting 5. Scola is a valuable 4 at the money he makes and both Pattrick and Hill make fairly solid backups with potential to be more.
We have to remember as good as Patrick looked last year he is not proven. Hill tried to change positions last year which may have stunted his developnent a little.
Has anyone seen anything about Hill this off-season?
I got glimpses of a lot of other Rockets, but I can’t remember anything about Hill. I would be curious to know what kind of shape he reports to camp in. I thought that he was just a bit light to be effective at the 5 last year. With some extra muscle, I believe he can pull it off.
The other thing is confidence. I think trying to change positions hurt him a lot confidence wise. Toward the end of the year, it seemed he was less hesitant in the post and seemed to be a lot more comfortable there. In terms of physique, he is not far removed from Amare Stoudemare . Yes Amare is a bit undersized at the 5, but he gets away with it.
If we could get servicable minutes from Hill at the 5 that would go a long way toward fixing the paint issues. That and any positive minutes from Hasheem and you are close to respectable in the post. Get Doughnut boy back from Poland and we might not need too much help at the 5. It’s a lot easier to swing a deal for a star if you don’t need him to play center.
In the few days before the Lock-Out
Every Rocket player in the work-outs commented on how good Hill looked.
I like Hill a lot
But at points he seems to be lost on the court. The guy that I really like is T-will, I think he has unlimited potential. He is a really good passer and an ok shooter. Seems like when he got t
o play he went iso to much for adelman. If we do go with the rebuilding route I would like to get rid of Martin and scola. I don’t know what we would get in a trade but hopefully picks in this draft.
Starting
Pg-Lowry/dragic/flynn
Sg- Lee/t-will
Sf-bud/morris/t-will
Pf-Patterson/hill/morris
C-Hayes/hill/thabeet
by wdh001 on Dec 2, 2011 6:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
that teams to young
i feel players will develop better or rather quicker if theres some type of vet on the team all of the PF and C players will only have hayes standing still (as goo as that is) to learn in training and that.
i understand y u wud trade matin/scola but wed at least need someone older to help the players in my opinion
by IrishThrasher on Dec 5, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I expect Hill to make big progress under McHale.
He really needs to utilize that mid-range jumper. Could help his faceup game immensely.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
me too... at least I hope so!
Keep hope alive! Free Jordan Hill!
I’m thinking McHale’s big-man tutelage, and another season at the 5, will improve Hill’s game. But while an offensive post game would be nice, I think it’s improvement in Hill’s DEFENSIVE HELP INSTINCTS that will make the biggest difference for the Rockets. Jordan Hill has a lot of going for him. Length, athleticism, a decent stroke, a certain toughness that Thabeet just doesn’t seem to posses, and now playing opportunity and one of the NBA’s all-time best big men (in the post and defensively) to teach him some new tricks.
You have to be patient for bigs to develop, even more so for one learning a new position or a relative new-comer to hoops. As much as I’d love to see CP3 and Dwight Howard change everything in H-town—or even just Tyson Chandler or Marc Gasol supplement the current young/developing roster—I think the most likely (or at least hopeful) scenario is Jordan Hill making a leap in the next season or two.
Everybody say together now, Free Jordan Hill…!!!
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 2, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think Jordan has a ton of offensive talent
Never saw anything wrong with that
I thought what he was really lacking, and frustratingly so, was his defensive awareness
by NVP on Dec 2, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
McHale can fix his defense, too.
I have a lot of faith in his coaching ability.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 2, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
He is good on one-on-one defense, I still remember games in which he shut down Paul Gasol (when admittedly with a slight injury) and Demarcus Cousins.
He gets lost at times when he has to anchor the defense as the center and provide help defense when the guards get into the paint.
I like Hill a lot too. It was Adelman’s inconsistency in playing him that hurt him the most last year.
This is why I'm hopeful for Jordan Hill
If he can develop his defensive help instincts, whether through McCoaching or consistent minutes, that’s all it takes for Hill to become more than a serviceable starting 5 for the Rockets. Well that and maybe another 15 pounds of muscle which his frame can definitely carry.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 3, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I hope McHale gets in Jordan's head and turns him into
a nasty like Charles Oakley.
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I've seen Charles Oakley in person. I'm not sure it's something you can teach.
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Like teaching a new LB in the NFL to be like Ray Lewis.
Something traumatic had to have happened to make people that mean.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
It's easy to make someone as mean as Ray Lewis.
You’d be that way too if you had to live in Baltimore. That and murdering people.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
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"That and murdering people"
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 3, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
Living in DC will make ya just as mean.
Got robbed at gunpoint last month. It’ll change your outlook on things.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Damn dude
you mentioned something like that in another post, thought you were joking. That really sucks. Luckily never had anything like that happen to me.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 3, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Eh, you get by, right? I moved out to Falls Church, VA, nicer place anyhow.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Who cares,
first we need to decide what position Hill will play, if he still remains after we adjust our roster. Then keep him at that position and keep helping him improve. He has showed flashes of being really good, he also has been inconsistent, and has bad footwork. He is worth keeping though for now.
by since86rocketsfan on Dec 3, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry to hear that.
I’m on my 3rd time for having guns pulled on me, but that’s not happened in a long time, fortunately. It really is upsetting. After one of those times I moved elsewhere too.
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The Dreamshake
Damn man. I grew up super rural so I was used to guns, but no one ever pulled them on each other.
We used them for that there hunting thing. Worst thing for me was it was right on my doorstep, I as almost at the door and got circled by two guys.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
So many stories down here in southeast Texas
about people pulling guns. I’m not a fan of guns but I’ve given a lot of thought about having one. Seems like everybody else does here.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 4, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
I think moving to VA was the smartest thing I could do.
Much less of a violence threat in Northern Virginia. Plus, I’m near the NRA Headquarters and let’s face it, nothing is more of a criminal deterrent than rednecks with guns being headquartered nearby.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I'm sorry you were robbed at your home. That's bad, I'm glad you're ok.
That sort of thing can be hard to get over.
The stuff that happened to me, well 2 incidents, was a product I think of the times and being young and foolish. Not me personally, except that I was sometimes around fools and fools do stupid things, which is bad enough. The other was just random BS, probably not serious, but how do you take that as a joke?
It does bring up a pet peeve of mine though, which is the “Hey, I’m from New York, I’m tough, I know things.” I always think, oh, really? You ever have the barrel of a pistol 12 inches from your face? I mean, that was just Dallas, so clearly it’s not, you know, the mean streets. Not like New York.
I can say I’m very happy that nothing truly bad happened any of those times, and that there’s a lot less crack around now.
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by Xiane on Dec 4, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't mean you, BD, btw. It's just the "tough New Yorker" trope I'm griping about.
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I didn't assume the tough New Yorker was me, hah, I grew up rural near Canada.
Glad to hear you’re alright. Mine was a 9 MM pistol pointed at my gut with another guy circling to my left. The thought did flash through my head that DC has a pretty nasty murder rate during my encounter.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Rec'd for
“there’s a lot less crack around now.”
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 4, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
Also, lest I seem to be pitching myself as some sort of badass, let me assure you that isn’t true. I was unlucky enough to be in some bad situations and lucky enough to come out fine.
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The Dreamshake
Nothing has ever really happened to me like that
just been lucky I guess
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 4, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
Smarter perhaps.
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Living in Baltimore IS the hard part, haha.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Of all the pickups we had
I think hill is by far one of the best guys we got our hands on.
I think he develops into a better than average but not elite big man.
For a title run a guy like that is very useful.
"Slammed that hoe on the counter like I just got 35 on the domino table!!"
Sherrod Harris
last year
He supposedly had some family issues really distracting him and that became the cause of the inconsistency problems. I still remember his defense on Gasol, Which was tremendous. Hopefully this year we see more games like that and less dumb play.
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 3, 2011 3:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If I had to rate the 2009 busts, I’d probably go Hill, Flynn, T-Will, and Thabeet in that order as towards which one is most likely to thrive here.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I'd agree with that
I would mention that Thabeet and Hill will likely have more chances at their positions because of the fact that we are lacking in centers. (We have 3 SG/SF types established in a rotation already and Morris could take another spot there, and we have a really good 1-2 punch at the point).
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 3, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Flynn is second more or less by default .
There’s also the fact that there’s no way a guy who is 5’11’’ can make it into the NBA without dedication and work. Thus, I actually give him the highest chances of being a NBA player, but because he’s in a position that we really don’t need, Hill, who has shown some things unlike Thabeet, is the most important from my perspective.
I don’t particularly care about T-Will because I’m extremely enthusiastic about Morris. Just cut that loss and move on.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Talent wise
T-will probably has more prototypical star potential than anyone on the roster, He is athletic, with excellent tools in both scoring and passing and a typical height at his position, not a great shooter, but that hasnt stop a lot of stars. Whether he puts it together and avoid going the ways of Beasley and JR Smith, makes a huge difference. I actually struggle to come up with an example other than JR Smith being somewhat successful in realizing his talent
of course I have no clue what Morris looks like since there are no summer ball this season, and he’s going to be use in a very different way then he was in college, but Terrence Williams has performed against NBA competition
by mid-season T-Will will implode
It’s just not a great situation for T-Will. He has star potential, but he has a star mentality too. He’s going to go crazy with his limited minutes.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 3, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
T-will has unlimited potential....
from the neck down. Lot of physical gifts and talent. Just not clicking mentally imho.
Attitude problem? Maybe Adelman being gone will provide a change of scenery.
Would not bet on it though.
by albertchester on Dec 3, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
In like Flynn
I like Flynn’s potential, especially for the dirt-cheap price it took to acquire him. It’s a tough order, having a young PG play in the triangle, so he’s a good buy-low asset to develop. Unfortunately, he’s unlikely to get minutes with the log-jam at PG. It would be nice to see Dragic start the season on a tear to increase his value for a trade.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 3, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions

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