Rockets Shore Up Center Depth, Sign Samuel Dalembert
by Tom Martin on Dec 21, 2011 4:48 PM CST
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PrintOne day, reports say Samuel Dalembert is headed back to the Sacramento Kings. The next day, he's set to become a Houston Rocket. That gosh darn 24-hour news cycle is one heck of a bugger, you guys.
From ESPN's Marc Stein:
The Houston Rockets have reached terms on a new contract with free-agent center Samuel Dalembert, according to sources close to the situation.
Sources told ESPN.com that Dalembert has agreed to a two-year deal. The value of the contract was not immediately known.
Later, Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski tweeted the numbers: It's a one-year, $7 million deal with a team option for the second year for the same price. If Houston declines the option, they'll pay Samuel $1.5 million and be done with it. Apparently, Dalembert turned down more money in Sactown to come play in Houston.
Ladies and gentleman, in a year where Kwame Brown is getting paid $7 million, this is a fantastic deal.
Houston certainly had its eyes beyond Dalembert. We've talked Nene and Pau Gasol to their Internet forum deaths. The great thing about this deal is, early reports listed Dalembert's projected figure around 4 years and $40 million -- an absurd number -- but the Rockets smartly waited out the process until it became clear they could sign the Haitian (Almost) Sensation to a shorter, cheaper contract.
Dalembert doesn't solve all of the Rockets' problems and isn't as herculean a defender as some believe, but he's a definite upgrade and can step in and start right away. Hasheem Thabeet clearly wasn't ready for big minutes and Jordan Hill isn't starting-center quality. Now, Hill can comfortably return to the four or come off the bench at the five -- either option is a better fit.
While Dalembert answers questions on the floor, there will surely be plenty of head-scratching elsewhere. "Occupy Losing" enthusiasts were surely looking forward to seeing Thabeet and Hill get slaughtered on defense and on the glass every night. Now, with Sam on board, there's a chance the Rockets could (gasp!) make the playoffs, or at best, finish in that familiar, depressing nine-hole.
We can't forget, Leslie Alexander isn't in the business of losing or tanking, and while losing may be an ideal way to rebuild this franchise, the Rockets are a little too close to being competitive to simply blow it all up THIS season. Maybe next year it will happen. Dalembert will be gone if that's the case, so to me, it's a smart signing. Morey acted in the best interest of his owner and he managed to snag a positive addition as a mere filler.
(Keep in mind: For those pointing to tanking this season given the immense draft talent... the Rockets have four picks. If they can package all four, they're potentially looking at a healthy lottery choice, regardless of where they finish.)
By far, the two most important takeaways in this deal: Length and length. Dalembert's contract length gives the Rockets a nice short-term fix while they continue to look for a permanent option, while Dalembert's actual length gives Houston a boost in the rebounding department, where they were sure to suffer so long as Hill held the starting job. Dalembert's ability to block shots will be a welcomed addition, but his rebounding skills will go a long way towards limiting second-chance points for opponents.
It wasn't the prettiest offseason, but as many have said before: The failed Pau Gasol trade may serve as a blessing in disguise. Houston got its size and got it for cheap without affecting future plans. We'll see how it pans out on the floor.
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not a bad deal at all for us
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 21, 2011 4:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I can't help but notice
How this write up just trashes and burys Jordan Hill and Hasheem Thabeet. Goodness the lack of confidence is just overflowing. Good signing Dalembert though. We may end up overachieving this season like the Grizzlies did but, for every maybe there’s a maybe not.
I hate david stern!
by batman713 on Dec 21, 2011 5:02 PM CST via Android app reply actions
I mean, I'd blow sunshine up their asses if they deserved it...
Hill looks improved on offense, but on defense and on the defensive boards, he’s literally among the worst at his position. Don’t see a point in sugar-coating it.
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Sunshine in my bung hole makes me happy...
Hill and Thabeet may stink, but I’d still like to see them get some significant minutes (major minutes in the case of Hill) to develop.
Hollinger analysis aside, I think we all agree that Jordan Hill’s defense leaves something to be desired. But if it’s defensive instincts, as most of us have discussed, I think that comes with PT.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 21, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think this takes too many minutes away from Hill. He'll get more this season as is.
I mean, again, if the Rockets think he’s deserving of minutes, they’ll play him. Sooner or later, it either clicks or it doesn’t.
As for his defense, yeah, there’s plenty of potential.
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realy tom?
Sunshine in the nethers sounds nice….do i deserve it?
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Gonna back you up on this.
The write up didn’t need to slight JHill and Thabeet. We signed Dalembert. Saying Alexander isn’t in the business of losing or tanking belies the fact that he’s been content to trot out a .500 ball club the last two seasons and keep telling the fans we’re going to go out there and compete.
The sheer fact that everyone is quick to gripe about the young guys on the roster makes me pretty slow to trust the people talking about trade “assets” and other assorted bull.
Have a big issue with this.
Saying Alexander isn’t in the business of losing or tanking belies the fact that he’s been content to trot out a .500 ball club the last two seasons and keep telling the fans we’re going to go out there and compete.
The team is certainly trying to compete. As evidenced with the Gasol trade, the team is also trying to get better. The point is: He’s not willing to go back to zero on purpose to improve the club and we have to accept that.
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he shouldnt admit it. he should just do it.
jim irsay style
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by F-BombTheJets on Dec 21, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'd also like to know why I shouldn't have slighted Hill and Thabeet.
Dalembert’s arrival directly impacts their playing time. To leave them out of the discussion would be turning a blind eye to an important angle.
And I slighted them for the same reason I said before. I don’t think they’re ready for big minutes at all.
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by Tom Martin on Dec 21, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why slight them? They have different roles now, true, but why knock?
It’s not like you have a massive body of work of their time in Houston to judge them by (Fairly). It’s fun to get knocks in on guys but at the end of the day Jordan is in his first full season where he had the expectation of being a Center and with guidance to actually follow it up and with Hasheem it’s not like had a chance to do anything last season.
As for my take on Alexander, you can go ahead and defend him all you want. With the Gasol attempt we were clearly trying to compete but since that didn’t materialize shouldn’t Leslie Alexander have to come to the same “deal with it” reality that we have? We have to deal with the fact that this team got shot down at the finish line and for the last two years our prospects to even get there has clearly failed. Why should the fans continue to accept middle of the road? Why is it we have to stomach the idea that this team of barely good enough is sustainable? I don’t lie to myself about these things. I will continue to watch and support my team but I am in no rush to buy Les Alexander’s idea of “competing”.
by BD34 on Dec 21, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't agree with you here.
I think that we did not give up on Yao soon enough so we dragged it out longer than necessary. This is the first full year of post Yao. The draft was an excellent draft. There is still a lot of young talent that must prove itself. IF and only if Twill, Hill or Patterson turn into the excellent players they can be then we have an exciting team that will attract FA’s next year as well as being able to take a lottery pick next year. A gamble to be sure but one with good odds.
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by mjdinhouston on Dec 21, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Not being a negative nelly
but if our plan is for TWill, Hill, and PP to improve in one year enough to attract a big name FA, we’re screwed. Good odds? Like betting on a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.
This is not a slight against those players, but I have to believe that the FO has a better plan in place then buying some personalized electronics and pinning all of our hopes on young guys who are finally getting properly coached.
Plus, not giving up on Yao was directly on Les. I’m sure the bones coming from China had nothing to do with that. Gotta take off the rose colored glasses.
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Great signing
Cheap for a center. Plus only 1 guaranteed year? Can’t go wrong with this.
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by Rocket94 on Dec 21, 2011 5:13 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Nice signing, and on the cheap!!!!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Dec 21, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions
Awesome, didn't think it would happen.
I thought we were all but gone in this race. Happy to see him sign here.
Nice Job Morey
I think this signing allows us to use Hill or Thabeet in a trade if they show something off the bench. Sixers are deep at small forward but very thin at PF and C. Andre Iguadola anyone?
by wdh001 on Dec 21, 2011 5:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Am I the only Rockets fan not interested in Iguodala & his bloated contract?
I’ve been hearing Iggy in Rockets trade mentions for 3 years now. He is a good player, but he isn’t the star you’re all looking for.
I think Iggy is worth his contract.
But he’s on contract for several more years, and I’d be worried about any decline in his athletic ability.
Nice Job Morey
I think this signing allows us to use Hill or Thabeet in a trade if they show something off the bench. Sixers are deep at small forward but very thin at PF and C. Andre Iguadola anyone?
by wdh001 on Dec 21, 2011 5:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
This deal is great.
I wasn’t really a fan of signing Sam for a Nene/Chandler/Jordan-type contract but with a short contract like this one, it’s great.
Dalembert
1yr 7mil? Great deal! Interestingly I had given up on this team until today…as much as I’d hate to admit it, we need Dalembert. Wow did I really just say that? *pours another shot
I am so glad the Pau deal didn't go through
Looks like we finally have a decently balanced TEAM, instead of trading half of that team for one of these fine gentlemen:
That jam was incredible
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by Rockets4LIFE on Dec 21, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
what good is balance...
if, on balance, your team is just mediocre. i’d much rather have an unbalanced team of 2 stars with a bunch of role players.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 22, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
I approve
$7M for a guy who can rebound and play D.
We have enough scoring with Lowry, Martin, Scola and Bud. By not asking Sam to do anything out of his comfort zone, that sounds like a winner to me.
Though since this is Houston… we can expect his season-ending injury shortly after NYE. /reverse jinx?
Feigen did a little twist on Twitter if you caught it.
Said it was three years, then said it was two in a correction. So, in other words, act like he never said anything and move on.
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Happy with the Dalembert signing.
I think it gives legitimate security to the starting line up and can allow to Hasheem to get some development time going as a back up. As for its implications on whether or not we’re a playoff team, I don’t really care about that and considering the Clippers are in a position to get into the playoffs and the Hornets flipped with them, I get the feeling we’re still on the outside looking in barring a complete break down in Memphis.
I think that one of the
former playoff teams that is due for a fall from grace is the Spurs, I think that this might be the year that they fall completely out of the playoffs.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 21, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
You're projecting a catastrophic failure to be remotely right.
The Spurs won 61 games last season, you’re asking them to lose 18 more games and for the Rockets to win more than they did last year.
Yeah, that's what I am doing
I am expecting a catastrophic failure of a year for them. I think this is the year that “they are too old” will finally be true. Of course, I have been wrong once before.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 21, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
It's just not reasonable.
They’ve got guys back from injury, Duncan still plays for that team, and they’re too good to collapse. The main reason they lost to the Grizzlies is that the Spurs are weak against a dominant front court. We can’t confuse match up advantages with a decline in quality of the squad itself.
People have been calling for the Spurs demise for the past 6 seasons
I won’t believe it until I see it.
As long as TD is on that team
They’re a playoff contender.
by RedRowdy420 on Dec 21, 2011 6:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the end is near...
Bigs usually have a sharp and sudden dropoff. Granted, the Big Fundamental’s game wasn’t really predicated on athleticism, but i felt like last season TD was already teetering on that edge. Maybe he rebounds and is his usual all-star (though not likely carry-the-team-to-a-championship superstar) self. But I think there’s just as much chance that we’ve seen the last of the quietly dominating offensive and defensive presence that was Tim Duncan.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 22, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Every team
ahead of us is one injury from being average
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by mjdinhouston on Dec 21, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
And we're one team that is entirely average.
So every team ahead of us is 1 injury away from being us? They have an advantage off the starting line already.
damn bd...
Debby downer
Can u not just let us be happy that we got a legit 7fter in the middle and let us drastically overestimate its impact on our playoff chances?
I blame tom for ur negative nancy attitude right now as he affronted ur sensibilities in talking down thabeet and hill.
We all know sammys foot will shatter in his first practice as a rocket so u can rest comfortably knowing thabeast will be freed and lead us all to championship glory for years. :)
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on Dec 21, 2011 9:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh no, I'm totally happy to have Dalembert.
I just feel like we’re still an average team. No shame in being realistic. I can see us sneaking into that tail end of the playoff spot. If the preseason is any indicator, the young players actually deserve the faith various people have placed in particular individuals. I’m still a hopeful for a high draft pick if somehow that happens because I really want a franchise guy here so we can get away from this whole “Maybe we can sneak in” hope and go with a “The playoffs are a given, how close to a title we are” feel.
Man, I may be coming around to your idea of tanking
If there was ever a season to tank—what with lockout shortened season, loaded draft—this would be the one to do it.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Thabeest Mode...
I like that. Did you just make that up, Shanghaied? I would like it even better if he could live up to such a solid nickname.
You know what, I think some anabolic steroids would do wonders for Thabeet’s game. Not just for the muscle mass, but for the ’roid rages they would effect.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 22, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
If every team ahead of us is one injury from being average,
what does that make us one injury from?
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Great for the price.
Now Hill and Thabeet will both have a better chance to develop. Because of the compact season there will be plenty of minutes for Hill and still enough left for Thabeet to get a chance. Keeps us very deep at the 4 with Scola, Patrick and some Hill at 4 too. We might not be a contender but should be a playoff team while developing some young players.
im afraid the same thing that happened last years gonna happen this year
look at our first 6 games, 0-6 anyone?
Shrewd move
And could be prelude to grabbing a quality SF if Morris/Budinger/TWill don’t pan out there. I’m definitely excited.
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This was a great move,
he is a veteran and we know what we will get with him. Hill has improved but is too inconsistent to assume that he would be a solid starter.
by since86rocketsfan on Dec 21, 2011 7:34 PM CST reply actions
we signed jeff adrien as well
do we really need another 4? how many do we have now, 5?
by HTown80 on Dec 21, 2011 7:38 PM CST via Android app reply actions
setting up for some trades?
my guess anyway
by HTown80 on Dec 21, 2011 7:38 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You can never have too many 4's. If they're 6'9" we MUST GET THEM!
Also, we’ve been stockpiling for a while and only had one trade materialize.
Only if they were in the 2009 Draft
Then our dominance of that draft class will be complete bwahahahaha
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 21, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
SO here's a connection I found
Jeff played with Lin in GS and with Thabeet at UCONN. He has an excellent inside game and can hold his own physically against other 4s. Speaking of Lin, he is an exciting player.
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by mjdinhouston on Dec 21, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
Hm.
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Rockets not looking too good tonight
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 21, 2011 7:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hill can't play center!
He’s just rebounding, bothering Duncan’s shots, and working him in the post! He blows!
Ya!
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 21, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Done once it can be a fluke.
Done twice it’s encouraging.
Once it’s consistent you guys will still find a reason to diminish any talent on this team.
I'm a fan of Hill as much as anyone
I just want to see more than 2 exhibition games after a disastrous season before I declare he’s ready for the big time.
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 21, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Don't care to put any thought into why that might have been a bad season?
And how an entire offseason could actually help? And how Kevin McHale is a huge indicator as to a change for the better? Or for how the style of play, confidence, and recognition have visibly changed?
It's preseason.
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by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 21, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
The feeling is mutual, my good sir!
Always a pleasure
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by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 21, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Bothering Duncan?
Duncan’s run this game at will, from my seat.
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Prepare to curse at your television sets every time Sammy D touches the ball on offense. While he is decent (but overrated) asset on defense, he tries to do way too much on the other side of the ball. Just wait till the first fade away 18-20 ft jumper that he takes about 4-5 times a game and you’ll see. Also, if this is such a stat, I’m almost positive he leads the NBA in goaltending by a huge margin. That being said, for the price you got him for ( like $4 or $5 million less than we did) he should be a nice addition. He can get you 10 and 10 easily, but will be extremely frustrating in the process.
by pman8 on Dec 21, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We've got all the offense we need. So hopefully we can just get him to chill on offense,
and on defense, plug the hole somewhat. Thanks for the evaluation man.
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by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 21, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
He can't be more aggravating than Trevor Ariza was.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
by Barragan on Dec 21, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1000000000
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by Rockets4LIFE on Dec 21, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Or even Brad Miller
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by Rockets4LIFE on Dec 21, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Not like we're not used to cursing at our tv's anyways
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 21, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Watched him all year last year in Sacramento -
It wasn’t that bad. We had Sixers fans give us the same doom and gloom when we obtained Sammy, but he proved to be a pretty good defensive presence at the rim, and a better man defender than had been advertised. Yeah, his shot is one of those “no-no-no…yes” deals, but he doesn’t demand the ball and he really doesn’t take an overabundance of shots.
He should be a very nice addition for you, especially at the price.
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Think he could possibly still have it from last seasons' form?
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by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 21, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
of course.
His shot will just continue to improve.
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 21, 2011 8:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of
I hear Steve Francis was hanging around last week.
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by mjdinhouston on Dec 21, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
He should
can’t seem to do shit else right now.
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How dare you insult Kevin Martin!
He is an All Star on offense. Plus, EFFICIENCY!!!!!!!!!
by Mike Kerns on Dec 22, 2011 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
EFFICIENCY!!!!!!!!!!
I forget, sorry Mike!
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What up guys, made a game thread, join up if you like
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2011/12/21/2654002/preseason-game-2-thread-rockets-spurs
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by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 21, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Damn Flynn run the offense
Just throwing up bricks.
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Good write up... fair and objective....
don’t worry about slighting Hill or Thabeet. Obviously Thabeet’s minutes just went from very limited to spot, if that. Hasheem is what I told you he was at the time of the trade last February. An expiring contract this summer with the team’s option. If it weren’t for Stern vetoing the trade, his ass would have been amnestied. There is no “Dalambert was brought here to help Thabeet’s development….” Thabeet will not be with the Rockets after this season. Dalambert was brought here as a low risk/high reward. It’s a favorable contract with a favorable legnth. The problem is that he doesn’t make us that much better, so we may be on a fast track to drafting in the teens again. Personally, I think Houston will be better than New Orleans and Denver, but worse than the Clippers. With the current team, I see an 8th seed.
If you can feel them, they are real.
Ack
or the 9 hole. The dreaded 14th pick.
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Draft Picks
Is what we need for this reason, the main problem i had with the gasol trade was giving up that pick, this years draft looks very promising and it would suck to be in that scenario
One day that .5% lottery chance will prevail.
That has to be the Rockets FO’s thinking.
by Camouflage14 on Dec 22, 2011 5:05 AM CST up reply actions
The failed Pau Gasol trade may serve as a blessing in disguise.
Seriously? No way. That trade along with signing Nene launches the Rockets into the upper echelon of the Western Conference. That front court is one of the best in the league and certainly one of the best defensively. On top of that we get rid of two large contracts and defensive liabilities in the starting lineup in KMart/Scola.
We’re a fringe playoff team even with signing Dalembert.
by goingforthecorner on Dec 25, 2011 5:26 PM CST reply actions
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