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Game 1 Recap: Rockets Lose Steam Down Stretch, Fall To Magic, 104-95

Perhaps the Houston Rockets' opener went exactly as you could have guessed, minus a disastrous performance from Kevin Martin.

The Rockets worked through Kyle Lowry and Luis Scola and kept themselves within striking distance of the Orlando Magic throughout the contest, but per usual, never struck. The defense caved in the fourth and the Magic easily held on for a 104-95 victory, bringing to light once again the Rockets' struggles defending late in games.

A rather disinterested Dwight Howard shot 9-15 from the field for 21 points. To Houston's credit, he only grabbed seven rebounds, courtesy of a polarizing performance from Jordan Hill and a Get Excited, You Guys performance from free agent acquisition Samuel Dalembert.

Kevin McHale went to his bench early and often, proving yet again that the firm Rick Adelman rotations of old are a thing of the past. As the season progresses, the units will surely tighten, but for now, it's going to be a wild mix of talent, speed and height.

It was the level of disorganization that likely did in the Rockets in their first official contest. The defensive rotations were at times atrocious -- especially Hill's and Budinger's -- and the offense looked a little messy in the half court. It's clear that on both ends, Patrick Patterson was missed.

That said, Orlando needed to bounce back after a poor showing in Oklahoma City, and despite the loss, the Rockets showed plenty of good signs. Your recap, after the jump:

Star-divide

Three Up:

1. Luis Lowry -- The Rockets leaned upon their two strongest pillars in Scola and Lowry, as each looked in midseason shape and form. Lowry bulldogged his way to a near-triple double, making 9 of ten free throws and dishing twelve assists. Scola wasn't perfect and didn't take a single shot down the stretch, but his 19 points steadied the Rockets throughout.

2. Courtney Lee --- Lee played his role to near-perfection. He made most of his spot-up attempts and took open jumpers when available. He's going to be a sneaky-important cog in the rotation as the season quickly picks up.

3. Samuel Dalembert -- The Haitian Sensation brought his Hai-game despite having practiced with the team for exactly zero hours. He also went five of six from the floor (don't expect that ever again) and recorded two steals and three blocks in just nineteen minutes. It's clear Houston needs "Dalembert, The Starter" in order to stay afloat on defense, though I expect McHale to stick with Hill a little longer for the time being.

Three Down:

1. Kevin Martin -- Speed Racer's engine sputtered from the get-go and never recovered. The shots he took weren't necessarily bad, and if he had made even four or five more we'd be having a different discussion, but the most disturbing development of his game is obvious -- he only took two free throws the entire game. We'll have to see how Martin adjusts to a new offense with a new coach, but sooner or later, he'll have to prove he can score and find driving lanes without Rick Adelman clearing the way.

2. Chase Budinger -- Chase shot the ball poorly in his first night out and played even worse on the defensive end. Ask Hedo Turkoglu how much fun he had facing off against Bud in the second half. (Hint: He had lots of fun).

3. Houston's Closing Lineup -- For me, priority number one for Houston is learning to get stops in the fourth quarter. To combat this idea, Kevin McHale threw into the game an offense-first lineup consisting of Lowry/Martin/Lee/Williams/Scola, and Orlando promptly shredded it to pieces.

And One:

Terrence Williams -- Williams went 5-12 from the field for thirteen points and grabbed six rebounds in 24 minutes. He translated most of his patient play from the San Antonio game to Orlando and it paid off. He made smart passes and took mostly smart shots. Now, he needs to begin work on the most important roadblock in his path to improvement: Finishing in the lane.

Stats of the Night:

Kyle Lowry Assists: 12

Should-Have-Been Kyle Lowry Assists: At least five.

Rockets Turnovers: 9

Magic Turnovers: 11

Rockets Free Throw Attempts: 20

Magic Free Throw Attempts: 10

Did JJ Reddick Really Score Twenty Points? Yes.

Kevin Martin + Ryan Anderson = -1. They'd cross each other out tonight, but we expect more from Martin, I hope.

Excruciating Courtney Lee Rim-outs: Three.

The Kevin Martin Trade-O-Meter Update*: The Trade-O-Meter opens at asplode.

*(If Martin goes 10-10 from the field next game, we'll have three posts asking if Houston has finally found its star. Such is life).

The Jeff Adrien Fouls-To-Points Ratio Update: In five minutes, Jeff Adrien picked up four fouls and scored zero points. The Fouls-To-Points Ratio opens at an exciting 4 : 0. Enjoy this while it lasts, Eddy Curry enthusiasts.

The Rubio Update: Just kidding.

66-0 Update:

My Beef With Jordan Hill of the Night: Hill made some smart plays on defense, rebounded the ball well and did a good job finishing in the lane, but he made some gawdawful rotations on defense and looked lost on the pick and roll. That has to change if he wants to give McHale a reason to start him.

Haitian Free Agent Acquisition of the Night: Dalembert. He's going to make this team a lot better, even if he looked a little more Herculean tonight than you folks should expect. Keep an eye on his pick and roll defense, because it looked pretty darn phenomenal.

Matt Bullard's Ballsy Statement of the Night: "They shouldn't call charges in the lane. They need to make players play defense."

Next Game: Thursday vs. San Antonio at home.

Opponents' Take: Orlando Pinstriped Post

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So many open 3's for the Magic

didn’t have an answer for the pick and roll with Hedo & Howard.

by twinkilling0303 on Dec 26, 2011 8:59 PM CST reply actions  

Dalembert's pick and roll defense was fantastic.

As was his 1on1 defense.

Hill and Scola got torched by the P&R. T-Will and Lowry played good D throughout the game, but when they ran into the brick wall that is Dwight Howard, Hill or Scola didn’t pick up T-Will’s/Lowry’s man. Scola’s P&R defense was especialy bad in the 4th. Why Hedo went off.

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by bone31crusher on Dec 26, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions  

First five CF threads:

“Is it time to trade Kevin Martin?”
“Everybody chill with all the K-Mart hate”
“Knee jerk: The Complaint Thread…”
“Terrance Williams Is the Future Of The Rockets”
“McHale not impressive with decisions”

Just, you know, think about that before you freak out.

by Only_A_Lad on Dec 26, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

Haha. Yeah just went on too

by VBG on Dec 26, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Hilarious.

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by Tom Martin on Dec 26, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I love CF.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Dec 26, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

The best is

“Poll: Are the Rockets tanking”

Not “Should the Rockets tank?” or “Will the Rockets tank?” but rather “Was this first game loss against the Orlando Magic, a team that is very easily going to make the playoffs barring a Dwight Howard trade, a brazen tank job worthy of the ’84 Rockets?”

by Only_A_Lad on Dec 26, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

It's even worse this morning

DO WE GO GET YI JIANLIAN NOW AND CUT JEFF ADRIEN?

Name 10 defenders in the NBA that are worse defenders than Martin and Bud

Does McHale hate rookies?

Jeremy Lin Appreciation Thread

Would we have won with Jeremy Lin?

by Mike Kerns on Dec 27, 2011 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

definitely a rec

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34

by ak2themax on Dec 27, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's a shame

I always enjoy listening to Dave when he’s a guest on the radio. Seems really smart and definitely understands the intricacies of the Rockets, but he is one in a million on his site.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
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by ak2themax on Dec 27, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I went on clutchfans.

ALL KEVIN MARTIN SUCKS AND CANT SHOOT threads.

Had to run away here where there is some sanity

by VBG on Dec 26, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

Don't look at our thread, then.

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by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Dec 26, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you really think he can’t shoot any more or isn’t an awesome offensive player?

Let’s forget everything we know because Kevin Martin had one bad game.

Kevin had a 3-15 game last year. Next game he scored 45 points off 18 shots….

by VBG on Dec 26, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta love the over-reaction....

I’m sure when he scores 40 on 20 shots it’s going to be all luck right??

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by jake_471 on Dec 27, 2011 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Kinda changed the Trade-O-Meter.

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by Tom Martin on Dec 26, 2011 9:21 PM CST reply actions  

Orlando made shots - sepecially turdglue in the 4th

but the rockets d to get to those shooters was terrible.

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by craigj007 on Dec 26, 2011 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

"specially"

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by craigj007 on Dec 26, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Reverted back to his Preseason Game 1 jitters.

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by Tom Martin on Dec 26, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

For sure.

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by Xiane on Dec 26, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

He’s a rookie coming off an even more abbreviated camp than everyone else. Can’t fault the guy for being nervous/lost. Remember, it wasn’t until Patterson came back up from RGV that he started “getting it.”

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34

by ak2themax on Dec 27, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

he played 4 minutes

in the first game of his NBA career. I cant say too much more because I only got to see the 2nd half. But 4 minutes after a shortened training camp and preseason.

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by fanoflosingteams on Dec 26, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Watching the T Wolves vs Thunder

T Wolves are fun to watch. Adelman is gonna do wonders for that team

by twinkilling0303 on Dec 26, 2011 9:26 PM CST reply actions  

Really missed PPat tonight

Wer’e definitely gonna need him off the bench this year.

by RedRowdy420 on Dec 26, 2011 9:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Maybe we're overrating him?

I mean I’m a huge Patterson fan, my favorite Rocket and all but some are saying that a guy who averaged 6pts-4Reb last season is the reason why we lost.

by RiiseRockets on Dec 26, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

limited minutes, very good per-possession numbers

BPro’s comparables look very interesting: Rasheed Wallace, Marreese Speights, Donnell Harvey, Robin Lopez. Very boom-or-bust. Depends entirely on whether or not his shooting percentage is for real.

by Only_A_Lad on Dec 26, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

he did average 17 minutes though

i think the bast case for him was the improvement he showed, he really progressed. if he continues like that he is a starter on most teams at least

by BuckeyeBob on Dec 26, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh another thing

Jeff Adrien played like complete crap tonight. We need Patterson to get healthy.

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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 26, 2011 9:43 PM CST reply actions  

Rockets need another big body at the 5

A heavy guy who can throw his weight around for 10 minutes per game.

by wayno on Dec 26, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Like that Greg Smith kid we had maybe?

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by Xiane on Dec 26, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

i liked smith

but he seemed more like a offense guy. reminded me of alexander johnson from summer league last year except with a long way to go.

by wayno on Dec 27, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Sammy was great at hat but I also liked Jordans post defense against him.

by RiiseRockets on Dec 26, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He was interested

Dalembert just made it hard for him, as he will continue to do other centers. And when i said Bud’s d was average and his d would determine if he was on the court at the end of gamesd you were saying something about using the Shane Battier approach but Bud needs to come off the bench.

by since86rocketsfan on Dec 27, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

So apparently Sacramento made Chuck Hayes the team captain.

Not just because of his heart scare, but all the time.

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by Xiane on Dec 26, 2011 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

Not sure really but it's still cool.

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by Xiane on Dec 26, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, he has experience as captain

And he’s the veteran on a young team in Sacramento. Plus, Cousins needs a role model. Basically, the organization is telling their players: this guy has all the intangibles we want. I love it. Good for Chuck, and smart on Sacramento.

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by ak2themax on Dec 27, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Is there any audio of McHale post-game

and his thought process in deciding that rotation down the stretch?

If you can feel them, they are real.

by jake_471 on Dec 26, 2011 10:22 PM CST reply actions  

I really think part of it is him still tweaking the line up.

He’s a new coach with new guys, integrated a guy who hasn’t even played in a single practice yet. I really think tonight was another extension of preseason, line up tweaks and what not, you know?

by BD34 on Dec 26, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I like the theory of going small...

with Lowry, Martin, Twill, Lee, and Scola. With the exception of playing one DWIGHT HOWARD. I mean you’re down by 7 points, you need stops. By pure luck, Dwight missed a couple easy shots and turned it over. But Luis on Dwight was pathetic. I was pleasantly surprised that TWill was the first tome come off the bench with the exception of Dalambert(Hill foul trouble). But Courtney Lee wasn’t able to establish himself until the fourth quarter when he actually got decent minutes, and Dragic only came in for Lowry, they did not play on the floor together at all like they did in the preseason where the tempo was better. I personally thought Dragic would have been nice to combat Reddick’s good play.

If you can feel them, they are real.

by jake_471 on Dec 27, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

2 of those assists were 3s werent they

They just screened the hell out of Houston to end the game. Cant fight thru Howards screens w/o fouling, and going around was just enough time for them to shoot

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by fanoflosingteams on Dec 27, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm enjoying this

Chuck Hayes playing well. Posting on Sactown Royalty – usually a good crowd there.

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by Xiane on Dec 26, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Chuck Hayes just blocked World Peace and Pau Gasol to help the Kings keep the lead.

He still plays with wonderful heart. He even made a fading jump shot.

by VBG on Dec 26, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Cousins was awesome too. Love big men who hustle.

by VBG on Dec 26, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Warriors up 16 on the Bulls at the half as well.

The team looked like they had just been through a lockout. Can’t really complain that much. Kevin Martin’s shot will come back.

by VBG on Dec 26, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That oop to Dalembert

In the second I think, was nasty.

Also wasn’t a fan of how much McHale was subbing guys in and out in the first half. It just seemed excessive.

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by mob16151 on Dec 26, 2011 10:43 PM CST reply actions  

Gotta consider

He’s still trying to figure out combinations since he had no contact with players in the offseason because of the lockout. All things considered we had a good game against a quality opponent. The guys who played well on defense also played well on offense which is a good sign. We have to be patient.

I hate david stern!

by batman713 on Dec 26, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I know it was one game

with a shortened pre season, I just guess my main gripe was with Adrien getting to many minutes. This season is going to be weird.

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by mob16151 on Dec 26, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember Thabeet was inactive (for whatever reason)

And Patterson has the ankle injury. Adrien will not be getting this type of playing time all season. We have a coach that like height unlike Adelman.

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by batman713 on Dec 26, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

McHale played Luis far too long

and then he had to guard Howard in the fourth. No wonder he had less of an impact in the second half.

He wasn’t playing anymore, he was struggling to breathe at that point.

by wayno on Dec 26, 2011 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed. Scola looked exhausted. Rotations seemed a little weird. Patterson coming back should stabilize things

by VBG on Dec 26, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

What happened to Thabeet?

The announcer said he was inactive for this game. Did something happen to him or something?

by Catallac392 on Dec 26, 2011 11:05 PM CST reply actions  

Oh my god they showed the rockets game on espn!!

But… Of course all the highlights were for the magic

by TheDream34 on Dec 26, 2011 11:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

you’ve got to give bullard credit though for coining big baby’s new nickname (the portly pubescent).

by the grawlrus on Dec 26, 2011 11:32 PM CST reply actions  

No one knows.

I assume because McHale was impressed with how Adrien played in SA. He’s big and strong. He also got whistled for very little a couple of time, I cant imagine that would have been different with Thabeest.

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by Xiane on Dec 26, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Best,Worst and in-between cases on Thabeet

“Best” case-he has a minor injury,a turned ankle or something.

“Get your a** down case”-Staff thinks Thabeet isn’t getting it,and are doing it as a wake-up call.

“What did you do this summer” case-Thabeet came to camp completely out of shape and really needs time to get in basketball shape,which is what the official reason was. Which begs the question of other than supposedly working out w/martin’s trainer,what did he do all Summer and Fall? He’s on last yr of his contract and he comes to camp out of shape? Someone should explain the phrase Contract Year to him.

Worst case-The staff has given up on him.

by Tisbee on Dec 27, 2011 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

watched a bit of the second half of the game at IAH

apart from a few calls that went against us (lowry’s back-to-back charges) i think magic deserved to win. our perimeter defense was awful. orlando even missed a couple of wide-open threes.

if kevin martin shoots like normal, this game would have been ours. hopefully he’ll get out of that rut… immediately. hope TC shows him some love on thursday.

also, shoutout to sam dalembert. within the first 5 minutes i watched at fox sports bar near gate E16 in the airport, dalembert ruined two wannabe layups. i was so surprised i almost fell out of the chair. the only time i’ve seen a rocket player make blocks in the last two years has been on a 2k sports video game.

by sohum on Dec 27, 2011 1:15 AM CST reply actions  

Why all the gripes on Adrien's playing time?

Thabeet was inactive, as was Patterson. And Hill got a foul called for just thinking of guarding Dwight Howard. I wasn’t surprised at all.

by Mike Kerns on Dec 27, 2011 8:31 AM CST reply actions  

Dalembert really played Howard

well, as well as defend the rim.This is why in alot of posts coming into the season i stressed the importance of getting a 7 footer, he really helped our d out alot and will continue too. Our coach needs to run some pick and rolls plays for him, because like last nite he is good at the alley hoop.Hill also played well, but picked up two early fouls, he should back up Dalembert. Bud got scorched on d as usual by Turk, and of course Turk is taller then him, but he was just blowing by Bud. Bud went back to early last year where all he did was jack up shots and not drive much, and with his d already being average, when his offense is off he deserves to be on the bench. Morris should of got more minutes at the three, and i hope when pPat is back Morris will be the primary three. Terrible coaching move at the end to come in with that short lineup who could not get a rebound. Martin had a bad game, and like Bud if his shot is off and he is not effective at driving in and getting to the free throw line , then Lee and Williams should take his minutes.

by since86rocketsfan on Dec 27, 2011 9:26 AM CST reply actions  

I don't even know.

Courtney Lee looks good at least. Other than that this literally went exactly as it was supposed to in my head, other than the fact that Scola didn’t score more and the Rockets ended up losing.

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by .Bonzo on Dec 27, 2011 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

His pre-season struggles + a long offseason where he was rarely spotted in Charity and pickup games?

That coupled with the fact that I still think he’s mad about the whole trade scenario really made me believe that Martin is going to have a tough start to the season. I’m guessing at least 2 or 3 more games of this, followed by the entire fanbase turning against him.

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by .Bonzo on Dec 27, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully followed by Kevin Martin becoming good again.

by VBG on Dec 27, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

He's practicing with the team.

So most likely Thursday if not New Years Eve.

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by .Bonzo on Dec 27, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

New Years Eve, if not Thursday.

I’m sleepy.

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by .Bonzo on Dec 27, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Last I heard

was there is no timetable. He’s day-to-day but they don’t know when that could end.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
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by ak2themax on Dec 27, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha, Yeah.

I got home recently from my friends house. I need to go to bed.

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by .Bonzo on Dec 27, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Question from a Wolves fan

Saw a bunch of joking about trading Martin. Any reality to this or just having fun?

I’m curious because the Wolves have no SG and a few assets. Wondering what HOU might be looking for. I’d assume MIN will not trade Love or Rubio and probably not Williams.

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by Wile E Coyote on Dec 27, 2011 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

No legs, just speculation among fans because I think it is just that it seems like a fit

Adelman, need for a SG, etc.

Outside of the three players you just named, I’m not sure Minny has anything that Houston wants for Martin. Don’t they owe their 1st rounders to other teams the next few years?

by Mike Kerns on Dec 27, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

First rounder next summer goes to New Orleans as part to CP3 trade - Unprotected

Due to the brilliant McHale trade for Marko Jaric.

We have Utah’s protected 2012 first round pick and Memphis’s protected 2013 first round pick.

I’d imagine McHale might have interest in Pekovic since he is a bruising center that McHale drafted. Outside that I have no idea. Ridnour is a serviceable backup PG. Johnson ‘looks’ like stud wing but the actual results have been disappointing. Beasley is a decent volume scorer who can play 3 and 4. Anthony Randolph was supposed to be a stud PF/C in Golden State but has really struggled in the last few years.

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by Wile E Coyote on Dec 27, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

But BD is in the minority there

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34

by ak2themax on Dec 27, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with BD.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Dec 27, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I'd take that, too

And probably Pekovic, too, since you can never have enough big men on a roster. Throw in one of our backup PG’s to make the $$$ work.

Just keep Beasley away from this team AT ALL COSTS.

by Mike Kerns on Dec 27, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

OK maybe I'm in the minority...

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34

by ak2themax on Dec 27, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you aren't.

But this is starting to look a lot like Sactown Royalty before and right after the Martin trade. Tremendously polarizing player for a guy who scores 23 a night.

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by Xiane on Dec 27, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not every comment.

How about this.

Your hate is making you blind to Martin’s godlike brilliance. Repent.

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by Xiane on Dec 28, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

PROVE TO ME THAT MARTIN ISN'T TERRIBLE

DON’T USE HIS USUAL PERFORMANCES THOUGH THAT’S CHEATING

by Only_A_Lad on Dec 28, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, smartass

Bargnani scored 21 ppg last year. Aldridge almost 22 and Monta Ellis scored 24. Do you consider any of those a star player?

Listing just his PPG and acting like it is the end of the debate is like saying a MLB player is the best if he hits the most homeruns.

And OAL, find me ONE post where I’ve said Martin is “terrible.”

by Mike Kerns on Dec 28, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, did Xiane claim Martin was a star? Did anyone?

And, no, none of those guys are stars. But Martin is a crazy-good scorer (not last night, but good thing they play more than one game), and that’s valuable.

As for whether or not you think he’s “terrible:” I suppose there’s more nuance than that. But, like, all you do is hammer on the guy for nothing. Maybe you don’t think he’s “terrible,” but you write about him like he is.

It seems to me that all of the talk about Martin is just totally out of proportion with what’s actually happening. I really don’t get why he inspires such divergent opinions. He’s a great scoring 2-guard who is a shitty defender, but when he has a bad game and peeps say that, others come out of the woodwork to say we’re unnecessarily defending him or something. It’s just strange.

As for “comparables,” Bargnani is finally not awful, but now he’s just a good role-player (like Kevin, but arguably at a worse position for his skillset). Aldridge is kind of a star, but at the lowest level of stardom — think Granger, Rondo, Odom levels of stardom. Monta Ellis isn’t a star in any way, and he’s only superficially similar to Martin.

by Only_A_Lad on Dec 28, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

When you're talking about a player whose role is "scorer"

scoring is the most important thing. We generally talk assists first for point guards. There are some players who do other things at their positions – point guards who score, power forwards who shoot threes, etc. But in general the “shooting guard” is a scoring position. Having a SG who doesn’t score is like having a 1b in baseball who doesn’t hit for power. You can make it work, but the guy better be exceptional at something else.

People complain about the weakness of the center position, but I’d argue the next weakest spot is SG right now. Go look at the starters for various teams and consider how many guys how more value than Martin and how many of those guys might be available. Many of them are poor defenders without Martin’s ability to score.

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by Xiane on Dec 28, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

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by craigj007 on Dec 28, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd really heckle them for Williams

I’d take back a bad contract for him. Seriously, the guy is an animal.

I hate david stern!

by batman713 on Dec 27, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the info

I like a lot of players on the Rockets roster – good luck this year.

I apologize in advance for Flynn. Hope he does better under a different coach (Rambis was HORRIBLE) but I wouldn’t hold your breath).

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by Wile E Coyote on Dec 27, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

We'll have to keep Flynn's abilities in our thoughts and prayers

But seriously, thanks for coming over here. Good luck to you guys as well. I thought you were going to win it against the Thunder. You’ll get them next time.

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by ak2themax on Dec 27, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take Wes Johnson and a pick for Martin.

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by bone31crusher on Dec 27, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

You'd have to take another player from MN

you could make it work with either Beasley or Webster I think. Throw in Budinger and who could possibly be the new whipping boy in Houston with Bud AND Martin gone?

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by Xiane on Dec 27, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Speaking of one dimensional players…

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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, he certainly has height

Get it? Cause he gets high? Oh man I am soooo funny.

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by ak2themax on Dec 28, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you for humoring me

I’ll be here all year!

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by ak2themax on Dec 28, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

It's only sensible to import a new guy to hate.

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by Xiane on Dec 28, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

There's no Richard Justice

To defend Les no matter what.

Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
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by ak2themax on Dec 28, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec

Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
That is the reason I don't go to Battle Red Blog. I would be to rational and guys would flag my posts as spam.-batman713

by ak2themax on Dec 28, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I liked Justice

he pissed everyone off. It was hilarious.

by Only_A_Lad on Dec 28, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I was okay with him

when he talked baseball, only because I don’t care too much about the Astros and Justice did seem to know what he was talking about. But when he talked basketball or football he just came across as an idiot.

Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
That is the reason I don't go to Battle Red Blog. I would be to rational and guys would flag my posts as spam.-batman713

by ak2themax on Dec 28, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

^ This

As much as I hate his Skip Bayless style, he does know his shit about baseball. I just felt that he, like many other local radio personalities, should stick to what they know.

by Mike Kerns on Dec 28, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

When we first got Martin

We all were happy to have a guy that could score out on the perimeter the way he does. Now he’s the most hated man on the team and everyone wants him traded. Cold world.

I hate david stern!

by batman713 on Dec 29, 2011 1:29 AM CST reply actions  

NO RINGS NO RESPECT!

Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
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by ak2themax on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Again, no "hate" involved.

I just like 2 way players. Courtney Lee plays D & has a decent shot. He deserves to be a starter.

by Mike Kerns on Dec 29, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

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