NBA Trade Rumors Discussion Thread
by Patrick Harrel on Dec 8, 2011 5:37 PM CST
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PrintWith the rumors racing all around about a potential deal to get Pau Gasol in a Rockets jersey just minutes after the talks seemed dead, things have truly come to a head tonight. Now, as Adrian Wojnarowski, Marc Stein, Sam Amick, and others reporting that a deal is close, the Rockets appear likely to have found a star and a successor for Yao in the front court.
As has been widely reported, this is the likely deal:
New Orleans receives: Lamar Odom, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and Goran Dragic. UPDATE: Also to receive undetermined draft considerations
Houston receives: Pau Gasol
Los Angeles receives: Chris Paul, opportunity to still get Dwight Howard, many championships
Discuss the Gasol rumors, the potential for Nene in Houston, or even the chance of the dirtiest front court ever (Gasol/Gasol) in the comments. Updates to come as details become available.
UPDATE at 5:47 PM: Adrian Wojnarowski is now reporting that New Orleans will likely receive more than just the rumored Odom/Martin/Scola/Dragic package.
It is likely that the Hornets will receive draft picks as part of a package for Paul, but source says: "Those are still being determined."
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Are we giving up too much for Pau?
Losing Scola, Martin and Dragic? I like Lee, but damn that’s a lot to give up.
pretty much they are just taking scolas contract at this point
Freeing up cap space for another player to sign. Wait til the final product to reserve judgement
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 8, 2011 5:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd expect it today or tomorrow.
Rockets would have to amnesty Thabeet from what I understand.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Dec 8, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Are you telling me...
That we are going to be refining some Gasol-Lee-Nene in Houston?
I’ll be here all week.
by seanbergmanrules on Dec 8, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I would totally high five you
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 8, 2011 6:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Actually
Really funny. Well done. Rec’d.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
This deal paves way for Nene signing
Rockets are a near 8 or 7 seed playoff team with Gasol and potentially 5 or 4 with Nene. Signing Nene would give us the best frontcourt in the NBA.
That's a stretch
I’d rather have Gasol/Randolph but we still look very good with P. Gasol/Nene.
Check out The Dream Shake.
by Patrick Harrel on Dec 8, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about that.
Pau Gasol > Randolph marc is barely better than nene, Nene is an offensive threat and Marc isn’t quite
by James Schmidt on Dec 8, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think Gasol > Randolph and Nene > Gasol
Gasol has more upside, but Nene is better right now
by James Schmidt on Dec 8, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Still behind Richard Jefferson signing if we want to be legit contenders.
Holy shit the lockdown defense to do that with Dalembert at center? Plenty of scoring from our old leftovers plus Gasol? I’m excited.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Don't understand the excitment w/ RJ
You know the guy wasn’t good the last two years? IMO he’s not an improvement over Budinger/Morris/Williams (whoever is the starter)
I think Morris and Parsons will surprise us this year
At least I hope they do.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
The way things are going, who knows whats going to happen
We might make more moves just yet.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
The excitement: Two way player that got lost in the shuffle in a new system in San Antonio.
Underperformed but you can get him on a low risk high reward signing.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Dalembert or Nene would just kill it for us, we would be serious
Get’er done Morey.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Nene would provide more O and Dalembert more D?
Dalembert might and will come in cheaper.
To me it's a good choice no matter what.
We can rotate in defense and offense with a mix of Gasol and anyone.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I wouldnt mind seeing some Gasol with P2
That would be a great combo. P2 would provide the toughness and Gasol would provide the scoring.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
They'll certainly play together a lot
But a starting, experienced big with Patterson coming off the bench will be awesome.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
Yeah Randolph/MGasol>Pau/Nene
But not by much.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
remember...
randolph has been a habitatually fat lazy bastard. I would like to see him have another impact year after getting paid like he did.
If you can feel them, they are real.
He got paid in the middle of last year and starting playing
better.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
He got paid after playing like Moses Malone
in a couple playoff games. It was the post season when he got the extension.
If you can feel them, they are real.
I am somewhat worried about where some of the offense would come from...
I know Gasol is a skilled offensively, a great offensive rebounder and a solid passer.. Which is why I may be leaning a little towards adding Nene instead of Dalambert. He may give you a little more on the offensive side, but of course will probably cost close to twice as much.
If you can feel them, they are real.
Fuck everything. I hate all of this.
I really do. Pau Gasol? Are we really OK with getting a guy, who, at one point, will be 33 years old and getting paid 19 million? Things must really not be going well in FA
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Can't please everyone, eh?
Finally get a legit star and a guy who is still capable of being a centerpiece but screw it, you wanted a no-defense 31 year old who would have gotten 12 mil a year near the end of his contract?
This move is huge for us.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Pau Gasol is far from a legit star, at least in my opinion.
I’ve got to be honest, i’m being pretty subjective here. I spent the last 4 years absolutely trashing Pau Gasol in conversation every oppertunity I could.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Gotta follow the sports rule
Gasol is an asshole. But now he’s our asshole. If we could cheer for Clemens, we can cheer for Gasol.
by seanbergmanrules on Dec 8, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just happy that we're agreeing on something for the first time in a while
I wouldn’t want to bitch at you the whole season about whether we should trade the old guys or not. Debating law students sucks…
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 8, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'm stoked that this is the shit or get off the pot decision.
Even funnier we’re doing it under McHale, but I’m excited.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
stupid lakers
Now if they get jared Jefferies = championships!!!
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 8, 2011 5:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
didn't even think of That!!
Oh snap..
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 8, 2011 6:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do the Lakers even have a PF now?
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
no theyre plan is to trade for dwight
and just play 4 players
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by theSpaceCityKid on Dec 8, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm excited to see what the new team looks like
But it’s going to be really, really weird to see what they look like next year. Like really weird.
Check out The Dream Shake.
whatever gives us a chance to get into the playoffs
It would be nice to clear up some cap space as well to be able to make bigger offers to some players, but it’s not a done deal, at least not until 12:01am tonight.
Excited to see Lee start
Who is going to be his backup though? TWill?
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
TWill now...but that doesn't really mean anything
I’m not sure I like Flynn backing up Lowry.
I havent seen enough of Flynn to have that much of an opinion of him
I think he might have needed a change of scenery. Lets see what he can do. Dont forget about Sergio Llull, he might come over in the next 2-3 years if he is ready.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Apparently Dragic is part of the deal too.
Fuck.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
I would prefer Flynn in the deal...
But it seems the NO are not stupid, happy for Goran though, he may have a chance to start.
Im ok with this.
Gasol is that all star that Morey has been trying to get. Sure he’s not a melo or cp3 but he has enough talent to attract other quality players. A front court with nene or dalembert and gasol could be deadly. And I think Lees ready to start again. Hell bring the energy and d that martin could not.
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 8, 2011 6:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Dalembert has already stated he wants to play in Houston
So he might come in at a cheaper price. Half the battle is done right there.
if we could pull off maybe both nene and dalembert, id piss my pants.
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 8, 2011 6:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I understanted.
That he wanted to play for Houston cause they were giving the most money, so probably no discount.
Heard Denver is expressing confidence that Nene will resign.
Does Morey need to snag Nene or Dalembert to make this trade a win for us?
I think Dalembert would be adequate for us, Nene would be killer though
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
doesn't one play better D than the other
and the other play better O than the other?
What is with all the excitement for Dalembert and Jefferson
I just don’t get it. These are players the Heat would get excited about grabbing as their “final pieces”, where as we are nowhere close to being in that boat.
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Its going to be sad to see Scola in another jersey
He was great for us, thank you Mr. Scola for all the great years.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Agreed, i had a man crush on Scola
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Isnt it ironic that both Scola and Landry ended up NO somehow lol
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Whirlwind evening so far...
I’m excited about Gasol, but not so much about what we’re giving up.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Dec 8, 2011 6:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If we get a C, then I think what we gave up wont matter as much
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
That's kind of how I feel too.
As it stands at the moment, it feels like the Rockets let too much go.
But now if all they have to do is amnesty Thabeet to secure NeNe, I’m feeling ALOT better.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Dec 8, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
This deal could look a lot better, or a lot worse, when we find out more in the coming days.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Dec 8, 2011 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty disappointed too
but it gives us room for 2 max contracts
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
I love Martin’s offense, but honestly, he is so bad at defense that he’s probably neutral. Lee and Lowry is a nasty defensive backcourt that doesn’t give anything up on offense. I think that lets us rest a little easier with Budinger at the wing draining threes.
by seanbergmanrules on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think I care about the NBA anymore.
the lockout took all of my giving a fuck away and if the Rockets trade for Pau Gasol I might be done watching it all together.
I'm glad everyone else is excited.
I still think the fact that most FA think Houston’s a shitty place hurts us.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Ive heard that a lot of players live in Houston and like it
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Hasn't Houston become a offseason destination for lots of players?
Check out nickandroll.blogspot.com
Players don't like the "on-the-market" status.
Morey gives that status to every single one of his players.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Until he gets the team he wants
we’ve been in transition since Tracy turned pussy
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
People love Houston once they get here (the taxes help).
But there is a bad view of Houston nationwide. Trying to get my girl to move back with me from Philly, so i know.
there are a TON of fine ass black girls here
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by theSpaceCityKid on Dec 8, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Chuck and Luis leaving
Who his our longest player? Lowry? We got the guy like 3 years ago…
Gonna be hard to see them with other jersey, can we please at least keep Chuck?
I saw a link on Yahoo that said the deal is done
but when I click the link, it takes me to a page that says, “Fail”
HAHA
that doesn't bode well
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
when the clock strike 12:01
the deal will be done.
the kings offered him a Full mid-level?
or something like that…I think he takes that contract.
If that is true..
I feel like we gave up more for Pau than basically any other team in the league would have…
Check out nickandroll.blogspot.com
It might be the NY pick
If it is one of ours then it better be protected
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
We might be more of a pound it in the paint team
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Nice!
Welcome Pau to Clutch City Baby!
Hopefully, with Pau, it will give us more of a chance to attract more stars.
Chandler going to NYC and Battier going to Miami
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Our only other targets for C and PF are Chuck, Nene, and Dalembert now
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
NO rocking a nice starting 5
Dragic, Martin, Odom, Scola, Oakafor and the bench is serviceable
This is awful. I need this to be explained to be in great depth.
I’m somewhat freaking out here.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Same, im sinking heavier and heavier into depression
and less and less into studying for my finals
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Chuck might be coming back
Jerry Zgoda (Timberwolves reporter) – Chuck Hayes’ agent says Kings & Wolves still favorites but Rockets “begging” them to wait. “I think they’ve got something up their sleeve.”
You need to amnestying Thabeet for that
Isn’t the all point of the MLE to don’t care about the salary cap?
pretty much, i was big on martin and scola
I just feel like we’re giving up waaaaaaay more than we should for an old PF who was very unproductive and sporadic last postseason
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Gasol is better than Scola
Martin is a one dimensional scorer who plays zero defense. We got better on both ends at PF and defense at SG.
My thoughts exactly.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
BAWWWWWWWWW!!!! We got the star we've been clamoring for, bawwwwwwwww!
We got 4 million more in salary cap space!!!! Oh no we’re such a horrible team for having oodles of cap space, more defense on our roster, and a more serious team!
Article will come up tomorrow because I am yet again having trouble understanding how Rockets fans can get what they want and still cry because of sentimental attachments to players that were never going to get us over the hump.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
by BD34 on Dec 8, 2011 6:32 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I'm happy Morey and Les picked a direction
by Camouflage14 on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Here f*cking here.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I guess I can agree on this.
To an extent.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Pau Gasol is a star? really?
and who ever even hinted at wanting Pau Gasol? clamoring for… why I oughta….
I'm coming around on the deal
I just want to see what they do with the cap space.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Because none of us see Pau as the big attraction
I’m happy about the extra cap room and excited to see where it takes us, I’m sure Morey has some moves planned, but Martin, Scola, Dragic, and a draft pick is a lot for Pau. Though, I’m not sure if we lost all of those yet
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Pairing Gasol
With Nene or Dalembert does
Gives us a hell of a lot more appeal than "Hey, come be an asset for us and play with Kevin Martin!"
Sure, you’ll score 110 PPG but we’ll give up 130! How exciting!
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Do you know how many 1st round picks we have next year?
is it 2? David Aldridge is saying we gave them a 1st and 2nd rounder (who cares about the 2nd rounder)
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 8, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
Come play with Pau Gasol!
You may recognize him from such roles as “Soft Playoff Big Man”
Check out nickandroll.blogspot.com
hahahahahahahahaha agreed
He’s on the downswing in his career, not what id hope for with such a young team. I know Scola wasnt spring chicken but losing that much for Pau is a move no other team would do
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Such roles as "Carried the Grizzlies and carried the Lakers."
And such lesser known roles as “One of the better two way big men in the NBA, consistent all star threat, and champion.”
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
That's completely unfair.
How did they draft Hasheem Thabeet and OJ Mayo? They were bad for a while.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
I'm just saying
He certainly did not carry the Lakers, and he got the Grizzlies in the playoffs as the 8th seed once or twice. I really don’t hate Pau Gasol, I just feel that we are getting fleeced in this deal. Yes, he is a gifted offensive player, but I think we are the only team to place so much value on him.
Check out nickandroll.blogspot.com
Because yes, they were power-houses after he left.
Until they were relevant one year ago. Oh short memories…
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Sentimental?
Look, I’m not doubting Gasol as a player. I’m past that. But sentiment has nothing to do with the fact that what we gave up would be nowhere near would any other team would give up for a player of Gasol’s caliber. I’ll miss Martin and Scola, that’s for sure. I knew they were on their way out. Dragic? He was a young stud, and I think I might miss him the most. From Dragic to Flynn at backup is a larger step than most expect. To top it off, a 1st round draft pick? I just don’t know man. I may seem like the uneducated prick for siding the with the “casual fans” side of the argument but I just don’t get it. Especially since Gasol isn’t exactly a young player himself.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
by .Bonzo on Dec 8, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's the Knicks pick
That was protected. Chill out.
Gotta let Flynn try and prove himself
dont forget he’s coming from a team that was run by Coach Rambis. Our offense will be much more suited to his style.
Dragic a young stud?
A backup who people overhype. Good backup, not a future titan.
The pick? We had two first rounders and everyone wanted to trade them to move up. It was to be used, why cry now?
If Martin and Scola are your best two players, you’re not a good team. Hate to disappoint you.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
so what are you going to say if NO finishes ahead of the Rockets again?
that “not good” team is looking a hell of a lot better than what Houston is putting together.
yup
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
The team that was already better than Houston?
When Okafor takes a breather that lane is a red carpet. Most SGs will easily get past Martin, and Scola? Easily abused.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Maybe "stud" was used in the wrong context. Fine.
I’m not mad we used the pick. I’m mad that we used a pick after gutting our roster like that. If you think that you can win a championship with Gasol being your best player, then I just don’t know. I’m just the immediate reaction is to call the “we’re going to sign Nene!” card, but does a lineup of Lowry-Lee-Budinger-Gasol-Nene look championship caliber to you? (although I agree we should look for a SF right now).
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
by .Bonzo on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is one of the worst trades in NBA history.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:36 PM CST reply actions
I'm sorry, you just don't give up that
much depth for a soft, 31 year old PF like Pau.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, I wouldn't give up one way players and back ups for a guy who actually carried the Lakers to most of their success lately.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
by BD34 on Dec 8, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol. Ok.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
What depth?????????
We got better offensively and defensively at PF and better defensively at SG while losing a little offense.
What depth?
Do yall really think that lowly of Martin, Scola, and Dragic?
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
No it's just that people overhype them way too much.
Martin is a one dimmensional scorer who plays zero defense. Now Lee gets to start who has a solid offensive game and way better defense. You act like Dragic is going to be a top 5 PG in the league when he’s just a backup.
Lol?
When did I say Dragic would be a top 5 PG?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
Even if you don't like the trade
team still has depth. Really good depth actually
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 8, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
You could've moved all of them in seperate packages
and came out a lot better than Pau.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think they could have
regardless of whether you like Pau or not
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 8, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Not that I don't like Pau,
I just think this was a one sided deal.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Two one dimensionnal,
also “old” players that you can remplace by very good young talent that you already have for a legit all-star?
Ehhhhh
Pau Gasol is a borderline all-star.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
He's closer to an All-Star.
Then anyone else on the Rockets roster.
That's true.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's why he started last year
Don’t really like the guy but you can’t deny the fact that he’s overshadowed by Kobe, he should definitelly have been NBA Finale MVP in 2010.
This FIXES ths depth problem
If anything, we’ve had too much depth, so we can’t give some players the time they should get.
Consolidate players for a star. And Gasol’s a top 15 player. Scola’s barely a top 10 PF.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I totally disagree.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Scola will give you just as much production as Pau will,
and is cheaper. Martin is an all-star quality SG in the right system. Dragic is a decent player off the bench. Pau is a 31 year old softy. But hey, it’s all imo.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Martin isn't All-Star quality hate to break it.
Gasol has a much better offensive game and defensive game than Scola.
If you would rate them all on a 100 point scale,
for me, it’s like this…………
Gasol 88
Scola 82
Martin 84
Dragic 72
It’s just not an even trade to me. Not that I think your players are/were great or anything, but Gasol isn’t either.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
You also have to take into consideration
That either Nene or Dalembert is going to be a Rocket as well.
They could've made other moves and still had a shot at those guys.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
When you have an opportunity
To trade for an All Star you do it. It’s as simple as that.
I really think Martin and Scola could be close to that,
but you guys know more about them than I do.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
2k12 numbers. You stealing them
and Martin and Scola are 80 at best. Dragic is mid to high 60’s like a 67.
I didn't look at any 2K12 numbers for that.
That’s the talent level I view them as.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
Overrestimating Scola and Martin
Martin 81
Scola 79
BUT they’re replace in the starting 5 by :
Lee 75
Patterson 73
And what do you feel about Pau?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
89ish.
mabye 90.
With the injuries to Quarterbacks Matt Schaub, and Matt Leinart, the entire fate of the Houston Texans 2011 season rest on the right arm of.... T.J Yates????
Oh boy...
That's fair.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's the other thing
I’m reasonably confident that Lee and Patterson can do a decent job replacing the two. If you don’t post here regularly, you won’t know that we’re EXTREMELY high on Patterson after his rookie season.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I'm a Bobcats fan,
as you can tell, and I’m high on Patterson as well. However, I still think you guys could’ve turned the Scola and Martin into 1st round picks. I think that would have more of a chance of carrying you to a title than Pau would.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
btw
i luv augustin but how does ur fanbase feel about him?
I like him and hope we can hold on to him
for him to occupy a 6th man role for the future, but most of the fanbase feels as though his days in Charlotte are numbered due to Kemba being drafted.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
kemba > augustin?
i dunno about that…
although kemba’s crossover is salty
I'm not too sure quite yet about it either.
That’s why I want to hold on to D.J. for at least half of the season before we entertain any trade offers for him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Our owner has made it very clear that tanking isn't an option.
Given that, I’d say our best route is formulating a competitive team that can attract a superstar with cap room. This does it.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I don't think there are any more superstars available
right now, but Houston should be a top destination in the coming years. It’s a wonderful city. They usually make great deals. This is the first bad one, imo, to come through in a while. But it won’t look so bad if Nene or Dalembert are added.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think the best way to create a championship team
Is attracting established star, not drafting prospect.
If you're a good team like Houston,
then yes.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Third best PF in the game
after Dirk and Amaré, you can argue with Bosh.
He may not be a long-term solution, but neither Martin and Scola were.
Understood.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Let me know when the NBA is dictated by NBA Live/NBA 2k Ratings.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
intangibles
i like your logic for sure and on paper it looks not so great. but u have to take into consideration that Houston needed a legit big name to make Hou more attractive to FA. Gasol gives Hou this and a championship mentality again.
There’s a reason why Kobe luv’d playing with Gasol.
Pau was the best player on all those Memphis squads and it
lead to a bunch of first round sweeps. I just don’t trust him to be my number 1. But best of luck to you guys.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe a bit "soft"
but he’s one of the best passing and shooting PF in the game right now. if you don’t think so, you’re smoking crack.
So you're actually happy with this deal?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'm reasonably optimistic right now.
If the cap situation which I mentioned can be confirmed, then I’m ecstatic. Like I observed earlier, I think we’ll be able to offer around a max contract for 2012 now.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I can see you guys taking cap into consideration
and this makes you happy, but talent for talent, this trade is nowhere near even.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
So you wouldn't trade
2 top 50 players for a top 10 player?
Pau isn't top 10 though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm, I'd even say that's a stretch..........
Paul, Williams, Kobe, James, Wade, Howard, Stat, Melo, Dirk, Randolph, Durant, Rose……..hold up, let me think of a few more.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
If Gasol can rebound back to his old level, I have no problem putting him over them.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
yes for sure
i luv scola and martin but PF’s like Pau with his skill set don’t come around that often.
i will REALLY love this trade if the rockets can swing Nene or Dalember to pair with Gasol.
Rockets were deep in SF and PF so losing Scola doesn’t hurt too much. We lose offense with Martin but gain defense and more all around play with Lee starting.
I understand.
I just think you guys got hosed and would have come out a lot better looking into other deals.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
possibly
who knows…but i’m glad the rockets are making moves instead of sitting back and trying to compete with a mediocre team for another yr.
I hear that. I was glad when my team finally blew it up.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Ok.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
How'd Scola and Martin do last year?
Maybe we need to try fresh tactics, and gasp a supremely talented big man may help out with that.
Our team is now better
Look at the numbers from last season. We had the 3rd best offense in the league last year and one of the worst defenses. We desperately needed size and Mchale kept talking about wanting us to play defense and rebound better. We freed up some cap room to make a solid run at Nene and possibly keep Chuck Hayes
Man, I was excited for preseason games before.
Now its insane
Without a doubt.
I’m not holding back my distaste for this trade, but man am I anxious to see what this team will be like.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Face it people...
It’s a great day to be a Rockets fan…. Rockets get their star who’s also a big man. Rockets actually get more flexibility and didn’t sell out all the draft picks (yet).
Meanwhile… Dallas is not in any form of conversations with Chandler anymore and the Spurs struck out with Caron Butler, **** the spurs with a capital F!! and D-Mo set a Euro-league record with 18 defensive rebounds in his last game!!!
I understand there’s some personal attatchment to these players, but Martin and Scola were going to lead us on a fast strack to nowhere.
If you can feel them, they are real.
"star" is a bit of an overstatement
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
Lol. My thoughts exactly.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
A lot are calling Pau soft
I get that, but its not like Martin and Scola were warriors out there. We traded soft for soft but the Rockets also got someone who has been there. Pau has a ring and knows what it takes to get one. I dont think our roster has too many of those guys. Im not jumping for joy about this trade, but I also dont hate it.
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 8, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions
haha most def
if Paul is soft then martin is goose-down
How do you guys feel about Terrence Williams?
I would love to have him in Charlotte.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions
Ready to see him actually play!
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Lol. Let's get the campaign going.
Has my boy Focus been over here with the petition?
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
The most frustrating Rocket I've watched since Stromile Swift and Stevie Franchise
Complete, total idiot. He has been the first one in the gym so far, and God hopes he puts it together.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I sure hope so. I feel he was a good risk, but it's not gona pay off.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Dec 8, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
If he puts it together,
I think you guys have one of the biggest diamonds in the rough in the NBA.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'll agree with this.
Physically, probably our most talented Rocket. But I think only the only person who’s stupider than him on this team is Thabeet.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Lol. Thabeet should be balling by this point in his career.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
fanbase luvs TWill
but unfortunately he never plays haha… hopefully this year he will be freed finally
Free him to Paul Silas.
We’ll get something out of him.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
This trade...it's eh.
I suppose we are now looking at a team of
Lowry/Flinn
Lee/T-Will?
Bud?
Gasol/Pat-Pat?
Thabeet? Chuck? Hill?
I don’t really know about this trade…we got a star, yes. But we didn’t really address much….I sure hope if this goes down we have some center we can pick up.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Dec 8, 2011 7:00 PM CST reply actions
I think this is what it will be if we dont get anyone else
Lowry/Flinn
Lee/T-Will
Bud/Morris/Parsons
Pat-Pat/Hill
Gasol/Thabeet, Chuck probably wont sign here
If we get Nene or Dalembert
Lowry/Flinn
Lee/T-Will
Bud/Morris/Parsons
Gasol/Pat-Pat
(Nene or Dalembert)/Hill/Thabeet
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Dude, Chuck will always be on my roster. Always.....
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Dec 8, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Look at my name. He's my namesake. Ive got a legitmate man crush on him.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Dec 8, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you sir. I appreciate the compliment
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Dec 8, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed, seeing Scola leave was heart wrenching
if I lose Chuck too I’ll be crushed. I heard Minnesota and Scramento are giving him good offers, but Morey still wants to make a play for him
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 8, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
I just dont think we sign him, I would like it if he is on our team though
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
I am with you on this one.
Getting a big doesn’t matter if there is no team around him. Look at all the great bigs in the league right now, who is winning by themselves? I think all of us understand that if nothing else happens, that this season is already a wash. The only way we bring in another big to complement Pau Gasol is if we trade for one, because nobody significant ever signs with the rockets in free agency. This team does not get any better from this trade, and we are requiring our role players to replace the leftover numbers that Gasol doesn’t pick up from martin and scola. I want this to work as bad as the rest of you, but if nothing else happens, I don’t see how we can be positive at this point.
That's how I would feel.
I mean, I don’t mean to sound like a troll or anything, but would you guys ever make a straight up deal of Martin, Scola, Dragic, and a 1st round pick for Pau? That’s what it really comes down to. I can’t see anyone making such an offer for someone like Pau.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Lol. I knew it had to be a Rocket fan on here that wasn't that thrilled with the trade.
Every Rocket fan I seen on ESPN was highly upset.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
How can I be thrilled with this? We are going on the assumption that Morey pulls something else off that will help us contend deep in the playoffs. How many big names has Morey pulled in? Martin and Scola are the only quality players he has pulled in via trade, and he has signed ZERO big name free agents.
Yeah.
From the outside looking it, it appears as though most Rocket fans are happy with this trade contingent upon other deals being made. Hopefully for you guys’ sake, those deals can be made. I really think the package you guys gave up for Gasol could have been used to pull in a better single star (maybe even Howard), or a combination of other players and/or draft picks.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
It's simple dude....
Lee and Gasol > Martin and Scola… Martin, Bud, and Scola are all liabilities defensively. Now with Bud on the floor with Lee, they can interchange and Lee can guard the more athletic sg or sf making Bud not as much of a liability.
If you can feel them, they are real.
Woj...
Just confirmed the pick as well as of 7 minutes ago.
Is it the NY pick, do we even have a pick next year, or is that one with NJ?
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-Hakeem Olajuwon
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