To David Stern, The NBA, An Open Letter (Rockets, Hornets, Lakers, Trade Veto)
First and foremost, I have to disclaim that this is my own personal writing, as an NBA fan, a disappointed Rockets fan, and a legal student, this letter is my feelings, my view, and my own personal call to the travesty of 12/8/11. If you agree, feel free to comment, if not, feel free to critique, that is your right. I hope this catches the eye of the NBA front office, I doubt it will, but no matter what, if anyone wishes to contact me, as the author, I’m at tdsmailbag@gmail.com or Twitter @VismundGarret
Dear David Stern d/b/a The NBA,
On December 8th, 2011 the Rockets, Lakers, and Hornets completed several hours of work, negotiations, and dealing done in accordance with league guidelines, consultation, and assurances. The culmination of that deal would have sent Pau Gasol to the Houston Rockets, Chris Paul to the Lakers, and Goran Dragic, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Lamar Odom, and a 1st and 2nd round pick to the New Orleans Hornets. Dell Demps, a General Manager (GM) of an NBA franchise, as authorized by the NBA front office, was assured to be a competent agent of the New Orleans Hornets. What followed was perhaps one of the greatest travesties in modern NBA history and will create a ripple effect throughout your league, throughout multiple fan bases, and within the player’s union itself.
With the exercise of one veto you managed to embody the spirit of the NBA’s (recently) ended lockout but you also managed to expose the ultimate failing of the entire charade that had been put on for the last few months. A primary concern, as per reports, is that you wished to set a precedent that players should not be allowed to dictate where they wish to go via trade and that small market teams should not be leveraged by larger market teams. This belies a few simple facts, Mr. Stern.
First, you failed to exercise any control over your league when Carmelo Anthony exercised his wishes over the concerns of the Denver Nuggets. The NBA League Office must give a blessing to all trades and failed to veto that trade. The concerns at that time were no less realistic than they are now. Competitive balance, leveraging of larger markets over smaller markets, an entitled player wishing to call the shots, and teams being forced to capitulate. Instead, you were complicit in the cheapening of the league’s credibility as a league that wants success for its smaller markets.
Second, when the NBA League Office stood idly by as Lebron James and Chris Bosh exercised free agent goals in what can only be accurately be described as blatant collusion the NBA failed to investigate any of these issues whatsoever. There was no investigation; there was no action on the part of the league, only a rationalization of the power of free agency. The aftermath of this league inaction as competitive balance was being eviscerated in favor of star appeal was that two of the league’s smaller markets, the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Toronto Raptors, returned to a life mired in mediocrity.
Third, in vetoing the trade you effectively informed Dell Demps of his lame duck status as an NBA GM. When looking at the results of that trade New Orleans could effectively field a roster to be much more competitive in the wake of losing Chris Paul than it stands after the fate of David West is decided. I understand you want the Hornets to be marketable but canceling a trade that returned viable talent over a principle that you have shown no interest whatsoever in upholding previously seems counter-intuitive. Your average investor, though they would greatly enjoy having a marketable player, would certainly not purchase a team whose marketable player has made open and blatant statements of his intention to leave for New York City. Granted, New York City is a large market and relevance of one of the NBA’s most storied franchises is certainly great for business, buoying a failing New Orleans Hornets franchise will surely offset those gains. Further, if the NBA sincerely wishes for small markets to remain competitive, the contract durations of Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, and Lamar Odom would have been some form of assurance to the Hornets franchise that for the immediate future they had viable talent on the roster.
Fourth, if the intention of the Collective Bargaining Agreement was to restrict the power of the player over the organization, and an organization makes a good faith effort to deal players on their own team, would it not stand to make sense that there is harmony between these two goals? The Hornets pursued this harmony seeking to get some return on investment for Chris Paul as opposed to losing out on his value entirely. In vetoing the trade of December 8th, 2011 you effectively broadcast to the league that Chris Paul is not to be traded and is to be allowed to make his decision to leave as a free agent. Any attempt to deal Paul at a later date will clearly be communicated as an act of preferential treatment to whichever team acquires his services because of your actions today. If the Collective Bargaining’s intention was to reign in abuse of marquee players against their franchises then the agreement should have spoken clearly to addressing these issues. If the Hornets are not going to be allowed the autonomy to operate their own franchise then the Collective Bargaining Agreement should have specified that as well. If the District of Columbia can run on its own with oversight from the federal government the NBA should be able to allow the New Orleans Hornets the same autonomy and oversight. Any trade that goes through the League Office at this point of a maximum value player, or widely marketed "superstar" must stand, logically and equally, to be vetoed by the league office. Your unilateral actions today, and regardless of any internal coercion your action was unilateral, sets a precedent not of a league that has a say as franchises, but as a league that is run at the will, behest, and wish of its commissioner.
Fifth, Commissioner, your actions disavowing the ability of an NBA franchise to deal their players in good faith stands in opposition to the spirit of the Collective Bargaining Agreement you claim to uphold. The lockout occurred, in part because of the actions of Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Chris Bosh, that you took no part in mitigating or investigating. When a franchise freely participates in a fair trade, perhaps even a windfall trade, there is no unfair leverage of position. The fact that you are now insisting that players who may feel animosity towards their teams report to training camp is a heavy-handed attempt at regaining control of a situation that, frankly, you are responsible for. Certainly these players carry quite a bit of professionalism but their lives were about to face major upheaval in the national spotlight until your actions occurred. Unfortunately now, players hang in the balance, no trade can be finalized until the decision of whether or not a trade should be allowed goes through an arbitrary evaluation one at your behest. One must ask how reasonably can a business operate under the filtration of one man’s appraisal of what is fair? Should all teams now be able to vote and veto an action? If "basketball related issues" is a valid ground for the league to disavow a trade did not "basketball related issues" arise with the three aforementioned players? You leave a great deal of issues in limbo with your actions of December 8th, 2011. No player ever had home security but the precedent set forth now
Lastly, Mr. Stern, I do not write this letter as an enraged fan, as a zealot of a particular team, or as a pseudo-scholar of contractual principles. I write this letter as a fan of basketball, as someone who appreciates the game, and as someone who cares about the rights of the players and the rights of the franchises to make money and have some authority over their employees. Your actions tonight should be followed by a prompt resignation. The lockout clearly failed to adequately address any of the legitimate labor issues that linger between the management of the league and the players. The abject greed that catalyzed a season before legitimate concerns could be addressed came to a head on December 8th, 2011. The impotency of the NBA League Office’s authority came to a head on that same day. The specter of a league facing accusations of referee scandals, preferential treatment, and favoritism came to a head on December 8th, 2011. Mr. Stern, as a basketball fan, as a man who values fairness, as a man who seeks competitive balance in this league, as a man who values the idea of parity in opportunity, autonomy in business, and competency in basketball, we implore you to step down from your post as Commissioner of the NBA, for the betterment of the league, for the viability of the New Orleans Hornets, for the improvement of the Houston Rockets, and for the long term longevity of the sport of professional basketball.
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by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 AM CST reply actions
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by MiniChuckHayes on Dec 9, 2011 6:44 AM CST up reply actions
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what he said.
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by HTown80 on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions
By the way I am old and do not use a nickname.
Arnold Peters is my name
I guess at least now NO will continue to run in the red, and can be more “marketable” as a tax write-off. So at least they’ve got that going for them. With Odom, Scola, Martin, and Dragic they probably could’ve won 5 more games this season than last.
by HTown80 on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
My name is Bruce Wayne
And I approve this message.
I hate david stern!
by batman713 on Dec 9, 2011 12:41 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
you know
For the family guy reference. Who is batman?
by HTown80 on Dec 9, 2011 12:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rec'd
laughed so hard I was covering my mouth with my hand
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
"small market teams"
Let’s see. Just off the top of my head
Houston has 2 championships back-to-back
San Antonio has 4 (though no back-to-backs. In your face SA)
Dallas has 1
So that’s 7 in the past 17 yrs.
Small market teams are so pathetic that they need Uncle David to protect them, clearly.
/sarcasm
by HTown80 on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Uncle David
He probably wont be here too much longer as the commish. But when he leaves, he is going to be remember for not having nuts to see this through
Excellent post sir
Stern already looks like a fool, but when Howard ends up in NJ, he is going to see that he cannot impose his will on any issue that pleases him.
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-Hakeem Olajuwon
Agreed!
We need a petition or something to get David Stern to resign
cavs owner dan gilbert said
That 25 of the 30 teams might as well change their names to the Washington Generals. Maybe your team is the Washington Generals, but my team isn’t. Sounds like somebody is still pissed they lost Lebron. Look, noone forced this trade. All 3 teams were ready to pull the trigger. STOP TRYING TO PROTECT US FROM OURSELVES!!! Or, stop trying to protect your little “asset”.
by HTown80 on Dec 9, 2011 1:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Phenomenal post
which I agree with 100% although I see the Rockets as the big loser in the trade. The league office probably saved you guys from suffering from Morey’s desire for a superstar. Really and totally hypothetically, if I was a GM, Pau would be the last superstar I would trade the heart of my team for. Undoubtedly he had a bunch of other cards up his sleeve that he would have played to bring the perfect players to surround Pau with to get Houston far into the playoffs. Just because I don’t see it doesn’t mean it couldn’t have happened.
Regardless, I agree with your post and see Stern’s actions as arbitrary, capricious, absurd and ridiculous in the extreme. If this trade for Chris Paul can’t go down what trade for him can happen? If this trade can’t happen, can any trade for Dwight Howard happen? What are Basketball reasons anyway?
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by Bluejohn on Dec 9, 2011 1:55 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was shocked when I heard this trade announced on Thursday as I thought Houston gave up WAY too much for the wrong Gasol (Scola, Martin, Dragic & 1st round pic for ostrich-boy?!), however, what Stern did was total BS. It would have been one thing if the League Office had already set a precedent by vetoing some of the previous ‘little-market-to-big-market’ trades’ (ex. Carmelo Anthony), but they didn’t, and now Stern seems to have even less credibility than before (if that’s possible, lol).
Guys, I still cant beleive people are mad about this.
As Rocket fans, you should be relived. The HOU fans on twitter are night and day with you guys. I think its shady that Stern did it, but I cant beleive Morey did it. The players alone was probably not fair, but throwing in a first round pick was just ridiculous. In a shortened season, anything can happen. The Knicks could pick 5th or 6th or 7th in 2012. In a shortend season, Carmelo or Amare could go down and absolutely destroy thier season. Just an awful trade. You wanna get rid of those players, fine, but dont throw away your future for a guy who isnt top 10 in his poisition. Keep every pick you have. And even ask for some back. Thank god this didnt happen.
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Gasol not top 10? name 10.
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That's laughable
I’d say Pau is a top 12 player in the NBA. Definitely top 5 at his position.
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 9, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i can name five PF's
Dirk, Amare, KG, Nene, Bosh, Boozer, and if you count Duncan as a PF. The first three are without question better then pau the last four arguments can be made, but I do like Pau a lot. Just think you guys are acting like he is the Pau he was when traded from Memphis, which is not the case after the way he played late last year. as for top 12 in the NBA???? Doubtful on that too. you got guys like wade, bron, melo, kobe, pierce, howard, cp3, d. williams, d. rose, Durant just to name a few. Not including the ones already mentioned above. Pau is a great player, but not top tier superstar in my humble opinion anymore. Still doesn’t mean the trade should have been blocked. Salary cap, contract length, and position needs all factor into trades. Just cause CP3 is a big name doesn’t mean it was a bad trade. Everyone involved got pieces they felt they needed, except for D. Gilbert who is upset that he hires dumb GM’s who hamstring his salary cap space with stupid trades for guys like b. davis and a. jamison. Gilbert is mad because he doesn’t have the brains to hire a guy who can make things happen like the heat and lakers do. I am sorry but clevelands problems are with their own arrogance. You could have traded lebron for a king’s ransom, but you decided not to. Why penalize the hornets for learning from your mistakes. T minus four years til Kyrie’s rookie contract is up and he jumps ship. Start preparing now stud.
so you dismiss Gasol
but keep KG… I find that kinda inconsistent
Nene is a center
And I think that at their primes, KG, Boozer, and Duncan may have been better than Pau, but not anymore. I also think Bosh is one of the most overrated players around.
LOLLOLLOL
Boozer was and will never be better than Gasol the size difference is too much and defense and passing all go to Pau. He is by far the more complete scorer as well so Boozer no. KG and Duncan in their prime, undeniably better than Pau, now not so much. Bosh has a bad post game for a big man, Nene is a center who is invariably not better than Pau, Amare has a better stat line but is not the better player, Dirk is the one player arguably better than Pau who before this last post season was considered to be the top PF in the game by many
Relieved???
OMG…..yup, we really should be relieved that we didn’t manage to get an elite post player, and to suddenly have the option of getting into a Nene/Jordan/M. Gasol bidding war (M. Gasol was probably a long shot).
I see you probably didn’t notice, but most of the fans posting on Twitter/Chron.com/Espn, heck even some posting here, don’t know a thing about NBA, and would really like to trade Martin and Flynn for D12 and CP3 straight up, so let’s not get carried away and listen to those with…… lesser intellect (I wanted to write ignorant superficial morons, but no need for harsh talk, right?)
Oh boy, Stern really f…ed us good this time.
by Sucker Punch on Dec 9, 2011 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
NBA were slapstick happens and your commissioners position becomes untenable.
I have not commented yet on this trade as I though I would digest the reasons why so many pieces were added from the Rockets side. Morey should of stopped short of the pick! Maybe even Dragic as the hornets already have Jack. Scola and Martin were about cap space to try and pair another FA sign – Dalembert, Nene or Gasol “Marc2”.
An interesting day in which more evidence came to light that the league is run by a farcical dictator.
BAD JOB = GM of the Hornets trying to get CP3 to come to work tomorrow.
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Not really anything to do with your post
but the last line had me smile. Think how ridiculous it is that we look at someone as being a fool for making someone come to work and get paid astronomical amounts. I bet many people out there would love someone to offer them a job, much less force them. This is why fans typically don’t relate to pro athletes. Just an observation, sorry, continue.
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CP will investigate his position as the deal kill would reportedly cost him 40M
what’s $40,000,000 among friends?
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by .Bonzo on Dec 9, 2011 7:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Totally agree with everything said. I still wonder if we could trade for Paul independently of the Lakers though. Martin, Scola, and a 1st is not a huge price to pay for a super star.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Dec 9, 2011 8:27 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
At this rate
it will be a damn long time before the NBA see another dime of my money. Time to go Mr. Stern!
Yeah
I was thinking last night, I might just stick to football, baseball, and StarCraft for awhile.
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by Rocket94 on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't really mind the veto
the last thing I want to see is another super team…..in the Western Conference. We can’t even get out of the SW, there’s no way we could get around LA with Kobe, Paul, and the inevitable addition of D12. I’m all for not letting these punks chose where they want to go.
When LeBron left, he didn’t just take himself from Cleveland; but Dwight from Orlando, Paul from NO, Carmelo to NY. Yes, these moves would happen anyways, but not on the players accord. I am for taking power away from these players, they are dictating the entire competitiveness and market of the NBA.
And as I explained:
THERE WAS NO WAY THE LAKERS COULD HAVE GOTTEN DWIGHT HOWARD AFTER THIS TRADE.
I’ve gone over it in other threads. Anyone who still believes is someone who actually thinks that Dan Gilbert is going to do a better job at looking out for us than you know, Les Alexander or Morey.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
This is one of the first times I enthusiastically agree with you.
Like I said yesterday, it would have severely handcuffed LA’s financial freedom considering they most likely were going to take Okafor back too.
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I'm not too sure abot that
and don’t want to get into speculations and what ifs. But, I do HATE the dictatorship of the NBA. This leaves me in question of whether or not I want to even engage in the NBA this season, but, of course, pure fandom and love will take over and I’ll be watching my Rockets. I don’t mind the personnel part of the veto, but hate how it went down. That’s what happens when the league owns a team.
Think ahead
Howard can still be got it’s LA.
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in other news
Brandon Roy might announce his retirement today
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 9, 2011 9:02 AM CST via mobile reply actions
That really is too bad
I’ve always been a closet Roy fan, and loved watching him come off the bench and torch the Mavs last year. I really liked his game. What a shame.
I know
So fun to watch. Coming from what our franchise went through with Yao and Tmac, I really feel bad for the blazers. Built the team the right way but got screwed by injuries. They basically are the Rockets
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 9, 2011 9:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
"Basketball reasons"
now we know what “because I said so” translates into when it is not a parent talking to a child. Still bullshit, just different wording.
i dont see why the rockets would trade
Away their two top scores. Why trade away your core for one guy? They haven’t had a real starting center in two years and managed a 43-39 record and they are young. The mavs are losing a lot of their key guys, the spurs are showing signs of age, why not just get nene or chandler and see what this group who plays well together can do. Why start rebuilding?
by lawson3 on Dec 9, 2011 9:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions
The next time I break up with my girlfriend
and she starts to cry and asks why???
Basektball reasons!!!!!
What a copout. Stern, you have sunk below Bud Selig, and one day I will tell my grand-children that I thought sinking that low would be impossible.
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by jake_471 on Dec 9, 2011 9:21 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
better hope she doesn't Veto the breakup
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by Rocket94 on Dec 9, 2011 9:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
NBA finally did Rocket (Fans) a favor
this deal stings. Giving how popular these 3 guys were among fans, and how good they play (i know someone will jump up and show me a list of statistic disagree with that statement… i don’t care)
and if anyone see how soft Pau play during play off, you know you are buying a lemon…
Morey is losing it…. <— again, i don’t care about your opinion, you can do the same with my… :b
don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!
If you're not willing to post a comment to discuss about, don't waste the bandwidth.
People called Yao soft, would you have traded him away because he didn’t do gorilla dunks? Only a moron would have. Fan popularity is fine and good but these fans also crave wins, so it’s what do you want? A team full of likeable losers or a team with a chance. I hate to burst your bubble but most folks go with the team with a chance.
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by BD34 on Dec 9, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
if u r looking for the "chance"
look elsewhere, Pau is not what Rocket’s needed, especially you give up Martin & Scola, the top 2 scorers in, and a decent Dragic.
Well, on the topic of Yao, go back to the threads last season, you will see more people demand to trade him than keep him for whatever the reason… i am not one of them, if that will burst your bubble. Yao is better than Gasol, but we no1 is better than Koby, you see where I am going with this?
I am not Morey, so my opinion is only served to burst your bubbles, but give some logic to this trade, what do Rockets gain? (don’t anwser with “a chance”, you tried that already) an overpaid player who’s over his prime…. big guys like this, especially with his skills, Gasol can’t keep playing like he did couple years ago, that’s just fact of physical. <— and I actually like his too.
oh, fan popularity sell tickets, btw. given the fact even Rocket haven’t get pass 2nd round for the past decade, but it’s still one of the few teams that making $$, what you think that is? everyone’s buying in to the thought for “a chance” or popularity?
the trade only benefit Laker in everyway, and some to the Hornets, and Rockets are just there to take the shit. Don’t agree with me? well, how about let this play out, and NBA changed its mind, see how things going for the next 3 years. No Martin, No Scola, No Hayes…. you expect Gasol do the work of all three and play 30+ minutes of him every game?
how many bubble i pop?
don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!
it gave them a ton of cap relief and makes it easier to lure one
of the 2 centers on the market worth a max knowing that they would be able to play with one of the game’s most skilled PFs and a young cast of potentially good to great players in Lee, Budinger, Hill, and Patterson
This was great
Stupid Dan Gilbert. I don’t remember his complaining when his small-market team had LeBron and was winning games like it was going out of style. Now, all of a sudden he wants “competitive balance?” Bull.
If this trade doesn’t go through, the NBA has now set back the Rockets at least five years, and may have just signed the death warrant for the New Orleans Hornets. How dare Dell Demps do his job at GM! He needs to fall in line with the rest of the small teams and enjoy this season with Paul, then complain once he’s gone. All the cool kids are doing it.
Usually, having a day or two to cool off can be very productive. Not the case this time. Yesterday, I was stunned. Today, I’m pissed. Absolutely enraged. The NBA just did something that makes LeBron’s “Decision” seem tame. They’ve set an ugly precedent, and potentially put off a generation of casual fans.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
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LA not looking too great either
Not that I expect much sympathy, but … Odom and Gasol are emotional players. Lakers season is already screwed.
Best comment so far
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by makinmajik on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Honestly
This made me want to write something to David Stern. This was freaking brilliant.
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As a avid Hornets Fan
Well done. I hope we see more people taking this stance the next few days.
by RedHopeful on Dec 9, 2011 10:49 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
You would've absolutely
loved watching Scola and Martin. Maybe not on defense, but they work their butts off. This whole situation is just awful.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Totally Agree
I totally agree. David Stern has become a dictator and is by far the worst commissioner in all of professional sports. It is past time for him to go. I just hope the players and the teams in the league who have the guts to oppose Stern make sure that he gets removed immediately.
That was great!
Stern has to overturn this, way too much backlash. As a Lakers fan, we should all unite and storm David Stern’s house
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 9, 2011 11:50 AM CST reply actions
I think most of the fans being together on this
just shows this is about more than just basketball. Lakers fans, Rockets fans, Hornets fans, and a lot of other small market fans…they all know this was complete garbage. The league lost something yesterday, it’s sad really.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
How is Trading CP3 for 4 Starter Caliber Players and Draft Picks Worse Than Him Leaving For Nothing In Return
How is it possible for all three teams involved to work several hours or even days on the framework of this deal, and find an acceptable trade for all three teams involved, for owners of other organizations to feel the need to block it?
Where were these owners when Pau was traded for Kwame Brown’s contract (leading to back to back Laker Championships)? Where were the complaints when players were being added to make trades work with full expectation of returning to their team after a 30 day vacation?
How is having CP3 unhappy and even more determined to leave as a Free Agent now that the league office just cost him $40M better for the longterm future of the N.O. Hornets franchise, and its attractiveness to potential buyers?
How is trading Marcus Thornton for Carl Landry last year different from trading Paul for Odom, Scola, Martin, Dgagic, and draft picks this year? In both cases the NBA still owned the franchise and were making decisions that had a direct influence on the outcome of the playoffs and future of the franchise, albeit on a smaller scale?
How is it that these trade rumors were able to take place for several months dating to last season, and especially over the past couple of weeks, with almost every team in the league submitting an offer to aquire CP3s services, without the League Offices and owners stepping in sooner and stating that any trade would not be allowed because of “Basketball Reasons”.
How is it that the League Offices could allow the trade to become public knowledge and for players to begin preparation for uprooting their families and reporting to camp with their new teams without the NBA (Commissioner) stepping in much sooner to put an end to something they inexplicably felt they couldn’t allow for the betterment of the league?
How is it that on the very day that the League Owners signed off on a new CBA that meant to outline the guidelines of what was allowed or not under the new rules of the Business of the NBA, could a situation of this magnitude occure and the league fill the need to pull a power trip as if this was a completely unexpected move by CP3 when it had been reported for months as an inevitability after the exact same situation played out with Carmelo last season.
How is it that after Dell Demps comes out after completing the trade and states that this is not a situations that the Hornets organization was unprepared for (and he is the GM hired by the league) can something like this occur.
So many valid questions, yet not nearly enough solid, logical, or acceptable answers. No matter where you stand in regards to liking this trade for each team involved, this has to go down as one of the greatest travesties in the history of American Professional Sports.
by datruth1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I can't rec your contribution here hard enough.
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If the free agent center market dries up, do the Rockets even want to do this trade?
by Christopher Dion Harris on Dec 9, 2011 12:33 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Could be a moot point now. With this trade the Rockets were in position to attain one of, if not the best fronts courts in the league, while still retaining enough depth to compete, and simultaneously clear the current logjams at PG, SG, SF, and PF on the roster, which would have allowed playing time for our young talent to develope. Now we have to decide whether to waste our amnesty on Thabeet to acquire Nene or Jordan by themselves, and to me that doesn’t sound anywhere near as appealing.
Nene alone (next to Scola) doesn’t have any chance of earning 75% of what it takes to get him, and Jordan probably doesn’t either. But next to Gasol both, or even Dalembert, would be a lot better. Think of how much better Bynum looked with Gasol taking the pressure off of him. As it stands, Dalembert at half the price is probably our best alternative and that makes me mad, but its the logical thing to do unless we’re content with rolling with what we got and seeing what Thabeet and Hill can do this year.
yes exactly...
those two together would be money. A front court of Nene and Gasol would give any NBA fan a stiffy.
If you can feel them, they are real.
Everyone who has been lauding this trade has been doing it one condition
That Morey picks up a center before the season begins. This is contingent on two things: (a) people will suddenly want to come to Houston and (b) players want to play with Pau Gasol.
I think both these topics are contentious. The only thing that changed about Houston is that they now have one Pau Gasol. So (a) is dependent on (b). With regards to (b), I haven’t seen any players clamoring to play with Pau. We’ve seen the media explode with reports of players wanting to play on the same team—none of these have included Pau or even another legitimate foreign star (Dirk being the one that comes to mind). Why? I don’t know, but think the primary reason is that the players that want to play together have some connection, whether it is AAU ball, Olympic ball, etc.
I am not going to go into how good Pau is because that is something that is going to be highly subjective. He’s one of the top PFs in the league, but he’s old and he’s on the downward swing. He’s also going to be susceptible to injury, especially coming to Houston, where apparently the force of gravity is a little higher, thus causing all these feet/knee problems.
Let’s look at the worst case scenario, instead. Let’s assume that the trade went through and that Morey was then unable to get a legit C. This is how our roster would look:
Starters:
1. Lowry
2. Lee
3. Budinger
4. Patterson
5. Gasol
Bench:
1. Flynn
2. T-Will?
3. Morris
4. Hill
5. Thabeet
Would they be exciting to watch? Yes. Would they be getting us wins consistently? Probably not. But we would not have solved the rebuild vs. compete problem. It’s not really rebuilding because we’re still stuck with developing role players. By the time these guys were at their prime, we would have Gasol stagnating (and we don’t know how fast he’ll do that). We wouldn’t be competing or rebuilding. In short, we’d be the Rockets we’ve come to know and love the last few seasons.
Ironically, the Hornets (who are in our division, by the way, which makes it even more important for us to consider how we are affecting their talent) would be pretty much Houston from last year with a legitimate shot-blocker (Okafor). Add a player like Okafor into last year’s Rockets and we’d be in the playoffs, maybe even a shoe-in for second round. This would keep us out of the playoffs for more seasons which would decrease our attractiveness to free agents, which would mean we’d have to continue building through trades and the draft. And wallow around in mediocrity.
Some of you seem extremely optimistic that Morey would have been able to land another legitimate big man to make everything I say redundant. I’m not so confident. I think it’s 50/50 that we’d be stuck with just Gasol, continue to be mediocre and make our division and conference better.
Anyways, those are just my thoughts from the other side, since most of this board seems to be in love with the trade. I’m just emphasizing what my doubts were.
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Regarding the NBA’s vetoing of this trade, I completely agree with the article. The NBA should never have put themselves in this position and should have sold the team as soon as they could. As I understand, they had a couple of interested buyers. There’s no place to go from here, now. Either they rescind their veto or they can’t participate in any more trade activity because conceivably any team could argue that it would be a conflict of interest.
On your premise of doubting the Rockets ability to land a C after the trade, you may want to check out a few reports.
The Rockets would have been able to out-bid for the deal Nene is signing and acquiring Gasol was the center of the FA pitch, so yes, it would have made a drastic difference.
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Simmons even said we were closing in on Nene
And that dude is like Morey’s BFF.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
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? unless Nene gets a 5 year deal from Nuggets (we can only offer 4)
its a similar sit. with Marc Gasol.
They can all out bid us!
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I disagree
The worst case Scenario is they obtain Gasol, create a ton of Cap space in the process, remain the same and miss the playoffs again, and aquire another good but not great talent in the draft, but have money and a good roster to chase a FA next season (Howard, D Will), while the younger players on the roster like Lee, Twill, Budinger, Morris, and Flynn all improve with their expanded role and consistent playing time.
Best case scenario is that they land Nene (which Morey fully seems to have expected) or Jordan with that newly created salary cap space, aquire another good but not great talent in the draft, and the younger players on the roster like Lee, Twill, Budinger, Morris, and Flynn all improve with their expanded role and consistent playing time.
Well said BD.
And you can’t fault the Rockets here. They made a big big move to get better, and you could see another domino falling into place, like Nene, with Gasol here. Now? Now? Who knows.
How can anyone in the NBA think this deal didn’t move value? Championship frontcourt to NO. The Gasol to Houston for two great scorers.
NO could have run this lineup out sometimes (remember Odom playing SF? when it works it’s terrifying)
Okafor
Scola/Odom
Odom/Ariza
Martin
Jack/Dragic
Holy crap, how can that have been considered bad?
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Yeah I was talking about that with a friend
Now think about how next year they’ll run:
Jack
Quincy Pondexter
Ariza
Random PF
Okafor
And let me ask something: will any decent free agent even consider New Orleans? Yes they may get a ton of money, but they’ll know they can never win a title there. And do you want a guy on your team like that?
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
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Excellent post
Stern should be ashamed and RESIGN. He works for the owners and think that the players are all day laborers with no choice but to swallow everything he dictates.
And Gilbert needs to sell his ownership because he doesnt know how to be an owner. He cant make money and expects Stern to make it for him. They kept and kept LeBron until he couldnt stand it no more. He bolted. That was their origanizations’s choice, they took the risk. Now the Hornets do not want to be in the same position and are trading CP3 to get some value back. Now that is good business.
This deal adds value to each team, no matter how you look at it. The Lakers getting a sorely needed point guard, the Rockets with Gasol would make up for Yao Ming and all the draft picks the Hornets are getting (and its going to be a deep draft) would help them in the long run.
I’m a BIG Laker fan, but foremost, a BIG basketball fan. Thanks for the post, more power to you.
I appreciate the support from fellow fans. Like you said, this is a basketball issue, not a team issue.
Solidarity.
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