Report: Rockets Resume Gasol Trade Talks With Hornets, Lakers
by Tom Martin on Dec 9, 2011 5:50 PM CST
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PrintThe Houston Rockets are still trying to acquire Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol. They thought they had a deal last night, only to see it vetoed by commissioner David Stern. Now, there appears to be new light to talks, with a major concession.
Youth is on the menu, straight from the mouths of the NBA. This, according to CBS Sports' Ken Berger:
In resumption of CP3-Lakers talks with Houston, Hornets under directive from NBA to get younger players, quality picks in deal, sources say.
If the Lakers for whatever reason were to decide Dwight Howard is off the menu, they could fill the picks void, but otherwise, this can't be good for Houston. While the Rockets sport a fine bunch of late-eighties babies, the youth-a-thon starts with one name: Kyle Lowry.
I'm okay with losing Kevin Martin and Luis Scola. They're the two oldest players on the Rockets, and while they have decent-to-good contracts and are Houston's two best players, their loss doesn't tamper with the long-term future. Now, if we're talking about losing Lowry or Patrick Patterson, coupled with either Scola, Martin or (gasp!) both? That's a tougher pill to swallow. The previous deal didn't touch the future. This deal could leave the Rockets with less options going forward.
Don't forget: Nene could be off the table in a matter of hours. That possibility alone made the Gasol deal a home-run. If there's no Nene or other frontcourt presence for the Rockets to add assuming this deal is reworked, I'll understand the criticism.
Oh, and getting back to the picks. This latest tampering charge against New Jersey could hurt the Nets' pursuit of Howard, thus opening the door for the Lakers to sneak in and put together an offer around Andrew Bynum. By this account, they'll want to keep all of their assets in order to chase Howard -- their remaining assets would be picks, mind you -- leaving the Rockets to include more of their picks in a desperate attempt to land Gasol.
What's so alarming about this deal and its subsequent destruction is the sheer gravity surrounding it. This wasn't just a trade for a good big man: This was the fulfillment of Daryl Morey's career-long pursuit of a star, coupled with the decision to trade a franchise cornerstone and fan-favorite in Luis Scola. So much changed in such a short time that you have to wonder: Will Morey be willing to give up too much for Gasol now that he had him within his grasp? Ask yourself: Could Morey settle with coming so close -- and, in fact, succeeding -- only to eventually lose out on a star once again? I don't think so.
I think Gasol is his guy. Here's hoping he doesn't lose his wits in order to make it happen.
Update: Gasol didn't practice today.
All the more reason to be worried. Hooray.
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WE DO NOT WANT GASOL. I hate LAKERS. He sucks Houston, Scola needs to stay.
I cannot watch that douche Gasol put on a Rocket uniform.
by ursus arctos horribilis on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather us back off of this trade,
and just trade Martin in another deal.
I don’t want to give up our young players.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 9, 2011 5:53 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Agreed.
I hate the idea of losing Lowry and any other of our youth. The main attraction to the previous deal was we were getting rid of heavy contracts for older players to give our youth some desperately needed minutes. I don’t want to lose P2 or Lowry just so DM can get his man.
Didnt Josh Smith say he would go where ever Nene went?
If we can sign Nene and maybe try to trade for Josh Howard with some of the same players we tried to use in the LA trade.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Josh Howard or Josh Smith?
If it’s Josh Howard I don’t want any part of that but I would interested in Josh Smith though.
I wouldn't mind having Smith tag along with Nene
he’d be good to have around guys like T-Will, Morris, and Patterson
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
In the rejected deal Lakets get CP3 and saved $40 million
Everyone complains about the Lakers getting all the breaks. When Stern happens to do something that stops such a move. People jump on him for being a dictator.
I want to wake up tomorrow with Gasol and Patterson here
Not looking good though.
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Let's not lose faith in Morey yet.
I doubt he’ll open up the lineup for the league’s picks of who to trade to NO.
Tampering Charges
According to ESPN the Magic are also going to file tampering charges against the Rockets.
by seanbergmanrules on Dec 9, 2011 6:05 PM CST reply actions
Late to the party. Not pursuing anything on the Rockets, only the Nets.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Not against the Rockets anymore.
Only Nets.
Can the Rockets file tampering charges....
Against Stern?
by albertchester1 on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Youth that I am Willing to Lose for Gasol:
Marqus Blakely
Marcus Cousin
Chase Budinger
Hasheem Thabeet
Terrence Williams
Goran Dragic
Jonny Flynn
Assuming they would only want one of the last two. Also, Jermaine Taylor? crossing fingers
Translation: I don't want to give anything up but I want something.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
by BD34 on Dec 9, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Dragic is worth something.
Budinger at less than a million a year is a very valuable property.
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Valuable property that needs to go if you want a deal done.
You think after this veto the league will sign off on a worse offer with younger players that this team never gave a shot to succeed? Budinger and Dragic are minimal offers if we need to adjust our offerings to get this done.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Honestly I have no idea what league criteria for a successful deal would be.
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Isn’t this basically what they were saying? If the Rockets need to add a little more to the deal, losing one of those wouldn’t hurt.
The Rockets gave up the most in the deal. That's hilarious.
The team that made out like bandits was NO.
Turn one year of Chris Paul into Odom, Scola, Martin, Dragic and a pick? That was a brilliant trade for them.
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For real
I don’t like the idea of us giving up anyone else. I felt like we were losing the most out of anyone in that trade
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, actually the Lakers arguably gave as much.
That frontcourt won them two titles. Look at the playoffs and you’ll see it wasn’t Kobe.
Now they’ll be relying on Bynum (assuming they don’t get Howard).
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Relying on Bynum
that’s about as reliable as a t-mac season
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
ya but when it comes to
financial flexibility, they are the big winners
If you can feel them, they are real.
Gave up the most in number, not in caliber.
Martin fits the criteria of younger players, swap Scola out with Patterson or another guy or two, younger on the roster, and then have LA toss in some picks and Caracter and I think you’ve got it done.
Gasol and Odom given up > Scola and Martin given up (LUMP SUM)
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-TCWIR paraphrased
plus dragic and 2 picks
maybe most in number, but in general that’s a lot for Pau, despite what the end game would be
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
We were to receive Pau but we stuck our nose in to facilitate a trade for Chris Paul
So we have to look past what we get. We want to be involved and make the deal happen we’re also dealing for Paul to an extent as well.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Eh, still a lot for Gasol
despite trade facilitation and such. I’m for bringing in Pau, but having o give up even more than our original offer seems to be too much. I’m praying for Nene/Jordan/Howard and that Pat and Lowry will remain at the end of the day. I’ve already lost Chuck, I can’t take too much more heartbreak. I miss the old days of mediocrity and uncertainty about Yao’s future
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
If they asked for Lowry
would you do it?
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Why not?
This board seems adamant that Goran Dragic could start for some teams and he’s a point guard with “huge potential” why not unleash the dragon? We still have Flynn. I would still insist on moving Martin and Scola and returning Okafor when all is said in done in conjunction with Gasol and I think it’s a good deal at that point.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I don't think he's a starter
Dragic that is. Lowry in the deal…geez that would make me nervous
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on how much we have to burn.
We’re talking a lot of cap space, if we get Sam at 8 mil and no Okafor we have about 8 more to blow on a PG if we amnesty Thabeet off it (I wouldn’t be happy, but it’s an option).
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Just hearing about these huge contracts
I keep having to remind myself that Morey will be able to get out of any of these deals, if something else opens up. The Okafor deal, Gasol, or any of the centers we might sign…I just have to assure myself he’s good enough to move them along if needed.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
I would HATE to lose Lowry...
Better get a ton is we let him go.
by albertchester1 on Dec 9, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Because clearly Lowry is franchise, right?
Fundamental problem with fan bases: Will overrate the HELL out of their team.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
You're the same one that thinks Gasol is a star right?
Lowry isnt a star but he is paid appropriatly and gives us more than he earns. Plus he is young with room for improvement.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You just described everyone on our team.
Not my fault you’ve bought the lie.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Bought what lie?
Im down with trading Scola and Martin, hell do it yesterday for young guys. This trade makes no sense unless your trading the rest for Dwaight Howard or doing something thats gonna make us a championship team.
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by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
You know all the players involved and all the tweaks?
I’m a rebuild or go all in guy, it’s obvious Morey is trying to go all in.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I get that
But how is getting Pau going for it all. BVecause if were trading draft picks for players past thier prime, thats going for it all. I dont see how he makes us good enough to even make a playoff run.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Kyle Lowry gonna make you eat them words.
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The Dreamshake
I see his future more in the
Terry, Mike James role.
Keep Lowry and Dragic, trade Flynn instead.
Exactly my point.
The gasol trade had it’s pros and cons but that was the best chance we had. Owners/Stern really effed this up for us
How can he be?
I think he’s handled the situation well from the comments I read.
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The Dreamshake
He sounded good at the practice interviews
Really interesting that he defended Martin and Scola and Dragic. Said he it’s not cool to look at them like trade pieces or anything, “they’re humans”, little bit of an Arian Foster feel to it
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Spoken like a guy that remembers what its like to be a player
and refreshing considering he could easily have lost that connection as a GM.
"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant
Eat me, David Stern.
by Christopher H on Dec 9, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Probably why he wasnt the best GM
I mean he was ok, but I think when you were a player and see the other side of that part of the business, it makes it tough to just trade away players. morey doesnt have that emotional barrier haha
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Morey sees the world in numbers, not sentiment.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Gasol's not worth losing Lowry over.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Dec 9, 2011 6:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yup, we need to back away from this trade.
The NBA owners and Stern own this trade. This is severely worrying.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
+1
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Dec 9, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
loving this
there has been more activity in the last two days on this site then the last 3 or 4 months.
You mean during the lockout?
(I kid.)
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Twill talking to clutch fans on Twitter
Dudes crazy
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by Rocket94 on Dec 9, 2011 6:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
He's replied to Tom Martin and a couple of other guys before as well.
Ask him if he’s going break the turnover rate record…
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Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake
He RT'ed me insulting his fans.
Felt good.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I love guys like that
When I was at Bleacher Report, I tweeted at Ron Artest and asked him for his # and he DM’d it to me. I texted him about the Vujacic trade and he replied in like 5 minutes… Unfortunately his # has changed since then.
Check out The Dream Shake.
by Patrick Harrel on Dec 9, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
*Metta World Peace
Check out The Dream Shake.
by Patrick Harrel on Dec 9, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
#wordapp
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Lowry should be the only guy off the table
In a gasol deal. I’m not concerned about giving up Patterson, as there are guys just like that in every draft. If that’s what it takes then do it, sign Jordan or nene, and see what happens
If not, start the rebuild now
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by AllenOU on Dec 9, 2011 6:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
if we were willing to give up 4 first round draft picks for CP3 to come here
I feel like anything could go down.. I’m praying Patterson/Lowry stay. At this point I’d give up Scola/Martin/Hill/Dragic and a draft pick, maybe Bud, but Lowry and Pat I see as central to our future
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, Patterson is a tad overrated
which is not saying he isn’t good and or has no upside LOL.
He’s the energy PF all teams seem to be able to pick up in either first or second round.
I just heard
that Nene signed with the Nets.
My pitchfork is sharpened and my torch lit
To Stern’s house I go!
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't found a good link yet
so it might be bullshit.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 9, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. No reason for Nene to rush into signing. If he’s off the plate, I wouldn’t rush into the Gasol deal without a firm plan b… (and I wouldn’t give up Patterson or Lowry). I just don’t understand why not go Lowry, Scola, Bud, and Martin for CP3 and Okafor directly.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Dec 9, 2011 6:58 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fear of no extension probably
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently NY is going to trade Chandler back to Dallas
Not sure for who though.
According to Marc Stien on twitter
Hearing Tyson Chandler’s deal w/Knicks WILL end up as sign-and-trade w/Mavs, but Dallas will take back TBA low-salaried player Knicks choose
Mavs’ goal in that scenario would be creating sizable trade exception, since Chandler’s first-year salary w/Knicks will be more than $12 mi
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Ya you're misunderstanding that
Mavs will resign him and then trade him to Knicks for whatever
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yea like the people above me says
Chandler is getting signed and traded to NY. Question is who are the Mavs targeting from the Knicks?
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David stern says no!!!!!
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by AllenOU on Dec 9, 2011 7:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
why!!!
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 9, 2011 7:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Basketball reasons
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Woops lol
Sorry guys ive been reading too much today with everything thats gone on, this probably means I should step away from the computer screen for a while!
"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know."
-Hakeem Olajuwon
Same here
Gonna go find a hole in the wall to play some dart and pool, hopefully get intoxicated and forget about all of this, wake up tomorrow and my dreams have come true….or I’ll wake up a Houston sports fan stuck in mediocrity,
Wtf
Pau is not a star and not close. Wtf is going on with this site? my head is freaking hurting from this, we were giving up way to much already for a one dimensional player already.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 9, 2011 7:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
gonna rock your world
Pau is not a star and not close
Pau was the best player on the Lakers since the ’09 season.
I just imagine a bunch of brainwashed zombies
walking around chanting “Pau is soft, TV told me so, Pau is soft, TV told me so.”
by seanbergmanrules on Dec 9, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Pau Gasol
the softest player to ever grab almost 20 rebounds and be the best player on the floor in Game 7 of the NBA Finals.
Right
My problem with him isnt his toughness. Eventhough he is soft, im not worried about that.
My problem is the price were payong for him. He hasnt been the best player on the lakers since 09 or ever. He is a good player. Hell get you a dbl-dbl every night but he is over 30 and gets paid too much. He isnt one of the best 20 players in this league. There is a reason NO and ORL.want bynum over gasol.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 9, 2011 7:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yea, clearly the deterioration of Kobe's health has made Derrick Fisher the best player on the Lakers!
Everyone knows that, obviously! Please. You clearly don’t pay any attention to your Western Conference competition.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
So let me get this straight
Pau has been better than Kobe since 09? You’re in la la land. Nothing I can do for you and ill leave it at that.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 9, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yes
That’s exactly right. Pau’s been better.
The Dream Shake ...on Twitter.
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by Tom Martin on Dec 9, 2011 8:41 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
It's funny
no matter how many times I say this, and how well I back it up, no one seems to understand it.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 9, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No he hasnt
He has been the same Gasol since he got to LA. Gasol used to be worth this, thats when the Lakers got him. You can think that if you want, but you’re in a huge minority among fans, general managers, scouts, and just about everyone.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we've watched a different guy.
I think you were watching Gau Pasol, Catalan Imposter.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
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The Dreamshake
True.
Gau Pasol – Madrileno Softy.
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I heard he's soft
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
He's soft as an ostrich feather.
But then he disembowels you with a vicious kick.
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The Dreamshake
I think you could make the case
that Gasol was their best player in the regular season. He carried them from my point of view
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
I bet Morey is gonna find a 4th team
To send Scola to in exchange for some youth/picks
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Dec 9, 2011 7:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Gasol was held out of practice today because of "quad issues"
Yeah, so everybody knows that’s not the reason.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
unless quad = psyche
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 9, 2011 7:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Unless just the idea of him being traded to Houston caused the Houston sports curse to start hitting him
he’s already getting injured, next yao! panic! (sarcasm all around)
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder what kind of suit he'll wear.
We have a well established tradition of nice looking suits on the sidelines.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I'll hook him up with some high end suits
If he gives us new details about the rape in Colorado
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 9, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I miss t-mac's blue pinstriped and yao's classic t-shirt under a sport coat
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
No, the official designation
was Bruised Ego.
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Via Realgm.com
Talks between the Hornets, Lakers and Rockets to reconstruct their three-way trade involving Chris Paul are progressing.
“Conversation is positive, but still a ways to go,”
lowry, bud, lee, dragon and ppat
Have to stay. That is all i ask.
I hope this is a move to simply save face on leagues part. If so, new deal could be actualy worse for hornets (like twill, scola, thabeet worse) but so long as its different they’ll pass it. Ohh and morris has to stay too.
That is it
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Dec 9, 2011 7:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
i realize i named anyone worth trading
And its impossible, i just simply dont care
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on Dec 9, 2011 7:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We're Houston fans
logic is never part of our argument or trade scenarios
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
after thinking about the trade that got nixed...
i don’t have a problem with the players we gave up…though i would’ve preferred Bynum over Gasol only becuz he is so much younger which mitigates his injury history somewhat.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
I thought we were trying to get over the injury hump
not continue a legacy of 40 game seasons, or for this year a 25 game season
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
that is probably why morey stayed away from bynum and preferred gasol
but im just guessing….the kid is 22 yrs old though
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
True, I like him a lot too
I guess another question is how many young players is too many. Morris, Patterson, Dragic, Flynn, Thabeet, T Will, and Parsons. Probably wants to have a little more balance with vets. especially if ship off scola and martin
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
if Dalembert says no, then it looks like Gasol and Thabeet...... :-)
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Let's not get ahead of ourselves
We’re a long, long way away from getting Gasol. That trade originally took 3 weeks to orchestrate, there’s no guarantee anything gets done.
Check out The Dream Shake.
by Patrick Harrel on Dec 9, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
i'm 100% in favor of this if we can get both
because it feels like we have a chance at something greater than mediocrity. If we can’t have that I would rather stand pat and just play the young guns
no he isn't
it’s just my opinion that if the nene “domino” falls to another team i don’t really want gasol
I think this is what Nene is waiting for (or he’s waiting for a max deal from Denver)
by Christopher Dion Harris on Dec 9, 2011 8:13 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
that is what I'm hoping
because this also implies that he kinda likes Houston and/or its prospects to wait on us
..
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 9, 2011 8:13 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Really sucks
that nobody wants to play in Houston. I STILL feel the best thing for the Rockets would be to “indianapolis Colts” this season and have a good draft. This is a short season anyways… Rip the band-aid off and bring in some young talent. Dont want a getting up there in age star…
Leslie would never go for that
"San Antonio is the best falling down team in the league"- Bill Worrell
by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
1) Getting lucky in the draft is profoundly unlikely.
2) Nene appears to be waiting just to see what the Rockets do, so he’s at least interested in playing here.
3) I’m really bewildered by Houstonians’ inferiority complex about this city.
Houston is a great city.
I tell everyone in Philly how much I love it everytime I can. Still trying to convince the gf to move back home.
Laker fan here...
Still upset about Stern, Gilbert, Cuban and their ridiculous veto.
However, as I’ve seen some of you not terribly excited about receiving Gasol in the trade, keep this in mind (If it goes through of course): Gasol in LA didn’t have a speedy, talented PG to set him up routinely, which he would have in Aaron Brooks. If you guys can land another solid big man, Gasol can average 25 ppg with at least 10 rebounds. He’s a very talented and intelligent basketball player. It’s a very good move for Houston.
Just my two cents. =)
We traded Aaron to PHX last season
Kyle Lowry’s running the show
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
You only read the speedy part
He also said talented.
by seanbergmanrules on Dec 10, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Aaron Brooks in in China.
Hasnt been in Houston for quite some time.
Lowry >>> Brooks anyways so point still taken.
Gasol would be the #1 option.
Lowry would be the best pg
Gasol’s played with, by far.
So yah umm... Stupid question probably, but:
We get Gasol, and the salary dump, go after Marc Gasol instead of Nene.
Gasol-Gasol duo? Sounds like a marketing dream.
Hard to compete with what Memphis is offering him
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yup, but hopefully playing with his brother would win him over.
Who knows, cuz I don’t.
It wouldn't be his choice
if I am not mistaken he is a RFA so the Grizzlies could match any offer and he would have to stay in Memphis.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 9, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
But its still a good dream
See they already wearing our colors. ( I know Spainish National team…but still)….They want to be here.
maybe that was the motive of morey to get pau?.........hmmm
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
but if memphis matches any contract offer..the point is moot.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'd overpay for M.Gasol
I cant imaging Memphis has too much extra cash left over after maxing Gay and extending Randolph and Conley.
by Camouflage14 on Dec 9, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
i believe it is not how much cash left over...the owner has $$, but how much
they’re willing to spend over the luxury tax.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
If I'm Morey
the only guys I really, really don’t want to give up are Lowry, Patterson, and Morris. I don’t know if it’s feasible to do the deal without trading any of those guys, but I will sing Morey’s praises to high heaven if he succeeds.
Agreed good sir, but if we give up more we should get more at this point.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Dec 9, 2011 9:57 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Here's how...
…this deal can—-and should—-still happen. The writing will be ambiguous, but if you read through a couple of times, it’ll make sense. I’m not sure what picks NO was getting, but I have them getting the Knicks 2012 #1 and the Wolves 2012 #2 (Should be a good pick). The main advantage to NO will be NOT having to take back Martin and his 11.5 mil per at age 28, and being able to dump Ariza’s contract on the Lakers. The Hornets also would be following the league’s edict to “get younger” by taking Lee and Thabeet instead of Martin. The Lakers would do this to get Paul, since they won’t get Howard right now, anyways. Also, the Lakers could easily afford to just amnesty Ariza right now if they so desired, anyway. Here goes:
Rockets: Get: Gasol 18.7 mil
Give up: Scola 8.6 mil
Dragic 2.1 mil
Thabeet 5.1 mil
Lee 2.2 mil
Flynn 3.4 mil
Lakers: Get Paul 16.4 mil
Ariza 6.8 mil
Flynn 3.4 mil
Give up: Gasol 18.7 mil
Odom 8.9 mil
New Orleans Get: Odom 8.9 mil
Dragic 2.1 mil
Thabeet 5.1 mil
Lee 2.2 mil
Scola 8.6 mil
Give up: Paul 16.4 mil
Ariza: 6.8 mil
if that happens
hasheem thabeet will be hereafter known as “basketball reasons”
by mr. eggplant on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Doubtful
NO gives up Paul and Ariza, and then gets Scola, Odom, Lee, and junk in return? They won bigger in the first trade than that, and younger was more of a reference to Odom and Scola than Martin I would imagine. I think this would get veto’d in a heartbeat.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
To make this work
I feel like we will have to give up a young player that we really don’t wanna lose such as P-Pat, Morris, or Bud. Hill, Thabeet, Flynn, and even Twill are not all that enticing, and so I doubt they will cut the mustard.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
What do you think the price tag on Jefferson is if he gets amnestied?
I have no idea what to even guess
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The pricetag is pain.
You must suffer if he joins your team.
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Is that why we signed Jermaine Taylor - to endure the pain?
Sidenote on Jermaine, me and my family were in Vegas two summers ago, and I decided to check out the Summer League. I got tickets for a day the Rockets were playing, and got there SUPER early. Jermaine was the only one on the court and he was working pretty hard, but still had time to have a quick conversation with me after seeing my Rockets gear. I like humble guys like that. I don’t know. I’m a sentimental guy.
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No Jermaine Taylor, by your own admission, is a pleasant young man who plays basketball.
Richard Jefferson is a festering wart made of radioactive bubonic plague who spreads misery, gloom and death.
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Still, are you comfortable starting Chase Budinger?
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Yes.
I think the Budinger/Morris/Williams combination will yield a very effective SF for practically no money, and more importantly, no Richard Jefferson and his wide open bricklaying ability.
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from my understanding...if a player is waived or amnestied...their entire contract goes off
the original team’s salary cap, but that team will have to pay a huge portion or all of it…..
If other teams want to pick that player up, they will bid on him and the winner pays that portion of the original contract while the original team picks up the remaining amount.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
and to the people that hate the trade
Our ceiling as currently constructed is a low playoff seed. If we make the trade and sign a legit center, our floor is a low playoff seed. We stay young, don’t lose a sure fire lottery pick and we don’t lose something that can’t be replaced. Gasol is better than Scola and you can look at an AI or Mayo to fill the 2 guard hole. A line up of Lowry, Williams, Morris, Gasol, and Nene is a good lineup and if TWill doesn’t work out, we have options in the trade market.
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We need to trade for Metta World Peace
And then trade for Birdman and sign Delonte West. Those guys combined with Twill would win championships through pure unadulterated crazy.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
New Team name: The Houston Batshit Crazies.
Or the Houston Squirrels. Because that team would be nuttier than squirrel shit.
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Point Guard: Gilbert Arenas?
This team would take 1/3 of the season off
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And still win
Because nobody wants to get stabbed through the chest with a table leg…or shot.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
It's a great exercise for a slow day.
What’s the most absolutely batshitcrazy team you can legitimately build using the trade machine.
Delonte West
Stephen Jackson
Metta World Peace
Gil Arenas
etc
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I think attendance would go way up
It would be like a NASCAR race, people come not for the sport, but for the possibility of death and explosions.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
Just because he's kind of an idiot.
Center: Javale McGee
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Ooh definitely.
And Beasley.
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Can Von Wafer sit on the bench?
He isn’t terribly crazy (just sulky), but he always seemed like he was RonRon’s apprentice when he was here. I miss that.
Hmm.
PG: Arenas
SG: T-Will
SF: Metta World Peace
PF: Beasley
C: Javale McGee
Bench: Stephen Jackson, Delonte West, Von Wafer
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Monta Ellis?
Charlie Bell? He showed up drunk to his DUI hearing which is sad, but also qualifies him.
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I say even if he's not kicking around, take the other DC gunman.
Javaris Crittenton.
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Mark Cuban is owner of this team.
No questions about that.
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Or Paul Allen
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Paul Allen isn't crazy though.
He’s a legend in my book.
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Do you want someone who is crazy or who will make crazy shit happen?
If it’s the latter, it has to be Robert Sarver. You just know he’ll do some dumb shit like fire Metta’s personal therapist to save money or trade the only sane guy on the team (Battier) for the latest malcontent rookie at the deadline to save money.
Crazy but true:
Vernon Maxwell is still on the Knicks’ books as a cap hold because they’ve always been over the cap and he never filed official retirement papers.
I guess he can’t play, even if that’s the case, but maybe he can be an assistant coach or something. Head coach would be Bobby Knight.
by Only_A_Lad on Dec 9, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can we throw in one guy, so he feels comletely out of place
maybe…..Gordon Hayward?
by SpaceCityFan on Dec 9, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Good thinking, but I'm thinking more of a "What the fuck am I doing here?" kind of guy.
Derek Fisher? Shane Battier?
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Battier would be the most miserable.
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That would be amazing
He probably would never show up to the TC out of fear for his life.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Can we get Latteral Sprewell out of retirement
by Camouflage14 on Dec 9, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
No. Head Coach.
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You are sick
But I like your style. Also I think fans should be give Vuvulezas at the door to play throughout the game that or Speed Metal is played non-stop at ear bleeding volume.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Speed metal and really loud J Pop.
Alternating.
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Still,
the team’s theme song has to be “Mind Playin Tricks on Me” right?
Maybe that’s a little too on the nose.
Slow days on TDS
always fun.
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How many "Fuck the NBA" posts and rants can we do in one day?
We totally hijacked a news update thread with this shit.
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I think we hit a limit
and needed some giddy.
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Until something happens
Everything that can be said pretty much has been said. Now it’s a game of hurry up and wait.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, there's that aspect to it.
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And the Jumbotron
Plays bright seizure inducing Anime of Metta fighting panda bears in NBA jerseys.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Also
The scoreboard is just straight up left blank. Like a twisted game of Fun Fair Positive Soccer, the score is kept mentally.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Even better, the players keep score.
And you have to win by 2.
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A different fan from the audience is selected to start at Point Guard every game.
Because we all know Gilbert isn’t good for shit.
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But if Gilbert runs onto the court and tags the fan
He gets to play, that is until someone else runs on and tags him. They better have a CHL.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Sprewell as HC
Carlisemo (sp?) as assistant
by mr. eggplant on Dec 9, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yes!
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Sure, I think Von is a go.
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I can't believe I haven't seen Allen Iverson mentioned!
The guys would love him as HC…no need to practice!
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
by f22a4bandit on Dec 10, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Yes. You're right.
And JR Smith.
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Dennis Rodman as Asst. for Media Relations?
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
by f22a4bandit on Dec 10, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
The 2007-2008 Nuggets
That was a team of hoodlums
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Iverson can play Sprewell
In a no-rules one on one game to get the HC position.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
What's Isaiah Rider up to these days?
He can’t be busy.
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Of course he is.
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You just gave me the idea of Isiah Thomas
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Three words: Shawn F****** Kemp
Director of illegitimate children and sandwiches
by Aging Dominican on Dec 10, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Charles Barkely HAS to be a commentator at this point.
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Oh sure he commentates
But he does so from a Ford Econoline loaded with cheap Vodka.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 10, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
We need an awesome Caterer, so I'm down with that!
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by f22a4bandit on Dec 10, 2011 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
BimaThug makes a great point about this West sign-and-trade on twitter
This deal could turn into a 4 team deal that sends West to Boston, 1st rounder from Clippers to NO, Jermaine O’Neal somewhere, Paul to LA, Pau to Houston, some other stuff to New Orleans, you know the drill.
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Who knows, its beyond my understanding at this point.
I do think the NBA front office now realizes how absolutely asinine it looks (that’s what you get for listening to Gilbert and Cuban).
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There's only 30 teams?
Unless you want to bring back the Sonics! TWICE!!!
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30 team
Keep the Cav’s and Mav’s out of it!
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Sure.
Also, someone needs to throw a pie in his face. Immediately.
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I think by Monday, we end up with Nene and Pau
no way that NBA will just not let us get anything after what they did to our deal
That's pretty obvious.
But we’re not the only ones. The fact that the Lakers didn’t get what they wanted is fairly stunning.
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Why?
I think it’s pretty clear that the inmates are in charge of the asylum now. The small market owners are the ones running the show, because they’re the ones willing to throw tantrums to get their way.
Over the last two decades, the Lakers have gotten what they wanted largely by making really smart decisions at the right time (and Tim Donaghy). The only exception that I can think of was that period when Kobe was ready to murder everyone in the organization after Shaq and Jackson left. And that eventually worked out when Kupchak made a very shrewd move to take advantage of Chris Henry (and, yeah, it wasn’t so lopsided blah blah blah Chris Henry still doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground).
I mean, the League is basically there to make sure that the Lakers and Knicks don’t outspend everyone else. It’s not terribly surprising that it was the League that finally screwed them.
Anyways, fuck Stern.
Good point.
And LA still outspends everyone by miles, and laughs at the tax. The scariest combo is rich and smart, like the NY Yankees, or Man U. Or LAL.
This is fascinating to watch, but my Rockets fatalism has never been higher.
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Any incident that ends (?) with Morey threatening to resign
has to make you question being a Rockets fan. Holy shit what a travesty.
I'm waiting to see if he quits the NBA
And brings Sports Analytics to NHL as the new GM of the Minnesota Wild.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Les Alexander will finally buy the NHL team he's always wanted
and move DM to its front office.
Hey the Aeros are the Wild's AHL affiliate
He can stay in the Toyota Center.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's a noble thing to do if it comes to it.
Morey’s plan has been absolutely ruined by the trade veto, any more time spent trying to rebuild said plan would be an absolute waste of time.
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Reports are that (from whom I don't remember)
that Dell Demps had to be talked out of resigning on the spot.
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Can someone talk Stern into resigning?
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Commissioner for Life
means he must be killed, or rather, staked.
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He's a Nosferatu or a Highlander.
How we doin’ this?
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Kill it with fire?
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I was thinking about this earlier today
Phil Jackson foresaw what happened last night (doesn’t take much, but the point stands, I think) over a year ago when the NBA bought the Hornets.
I know commissioners usually need to have backgrounds in the legal fields or business, but wouldn’t Phil Jackson make a badass commish? Just think about it.
Sounds good to me.
Stern’s assistants are almost as bad as Stern himself. Need to see a fresh face on top.
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He actually might.
And every team would have to buy a special chair for when he comes to visit.
Phil is exceptionally adept at going when the going is good.
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I think you get rid of him like you do a politician...
Sex Scandal
As we speak Morey has a line of call girls with hidden cameras trying to infiltrate the Commish’s office.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
I did a
“Rich Adelman smothering Stern with a pillow” piece a while back…
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Stern was wearing Kobe Bryant PJs.
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Not Ewing?
Stern has to be living in the past these days, and in these difficult times his mind would wander to that wonderful first time.
It was last spring that I did this.
It wasn’t showing as much then.
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I remember this article vividly.
Is that weird?
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No, it makes me love you more.
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So under what presumption do you consider the NBA to be a fair organization?
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The NW doesn't exist.
You should know that by now.
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Under the presumption that the Lakers are involved (And maybe even the Celtics), which means this comes with a signed apology from Stern.
And a gift basket… But the basket has dried cranberries in it because he’s a jackass.
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Craisins are really good, though
Are those the same as straight up dried cranberries? I never thought of it before.
What about those New Years baskets?
But not the good ones, the one with Sparkling Cider and 23 horrible varieties of crackers.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Right
Because who doesn’t want Wasabi Peanut Butter Whole Wheat crackers?
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Can I just say fuck Nabisco for some of their hippy crackers?
And Wheat Thins? Put those in the basket and I’ll snap your arms off and sodomize you with one of them.
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Poison muffin basket
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 9, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Nets offered Nene 60-65mil for 4yrs....he has yet to sign, but i think he takes it.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
The fact that he has yet to sign says something.
Right? RIGHT!?!
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He's slow?
I really can’t see him getting more than $15 a year, and I’d rather offer that to Jordan, despite the risk.
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I think the entire fanbase is ready for a big risk like Jordan.
Still, the Clippers might go insane (stay insane?) and match whatever crazy amount of money we throw at him.
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It'll be tougher with that Butler deal and Kaman still on the books.
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Simmons had the two best tweets about the Clips and Butler
Clippers are paying Caron Butler and Ryan Gomes $12 million next season to block Al Farouq-Aminu from playing. You can’t make this stuff up.
Kudps to the Clips for signing Caron Butler to a 3-yr, $2.4 million deal. Good low-risk move. (Listening.) Wait, what????
Despite everything they remain the Clippers.
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Its reassuring.
In my NBA2k12 game during the lockout, the Clips kept making the playoffs as like the 2-seed or something. The Lakers missed the playoffs in 2012. In 2013 they made a bunch of crazy trades and had Kobe, Bynum, Pau, Nash, Metta, and Vince Carter. Carter wasn’t getting any playing time and was super pissed. It was very weird.
As a side note: the Cyber Rockets were built around Chris Paul (acquired in free agency), Andre Iguodala (traded Martin for him with I think P^2), and Kevin Love (for Lowry after acquiring Paul). That team was the bomb.
I haven't gotten the new one yet.
The lockout made it so I just couldn’t. Maybe for Christmas.
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Same.
I’ve heard it’s a carbon copy of 2k11, not worth 60 bucks to me.
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ah but it's got Hakeem!
Hakeem!
Also My Player doesn’t suck anymore. No more crashing and the Screamin’ A Smith impersonator isn’t jawing at you all the time anymore.
Hm. Interesting.
My Player was always fun to me. I’d try to make the player mimic my playstyle, an unathletic 4/5 with an array of post moves.
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I hated that guy. He's gone?
Also, what do you name your My Player – I try to find real NBA names the announces will say and then give them a silly name around it.
Ex:
Malcolm Forbes
Scott Fitzgerald
Siegfried Roy
etc
I found a giant PG worked best for me.
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I name them like I do all my RPG characters
After ancient heroes and kings. Vercingetorix. Ramses. Ajax. Cyrus.
I usually name my RPG characters Elvis Pressley
and then try to make him look as much as possible like Elvis.
“Thank you for saving our village, Elvis Pressley! Only you could have done it”
“Thank you, thank you very much, peasant.”
Or that’s how I imagine it.
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there was a report earlier in week about the clips offering jordan 5yr/40mil
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
I saw that.
But if Nene gets $60, I don’t know that you don’t go at least $45. The other funny thing is making the Clippers eat a deal like that if they match. They’ll hate it.
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it makes it easier for us to if the clips would pursue howard real hard...makes
jordan more expendable with sign/trade.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
i should say easier for other teams to pursue jordan too besides us.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
Warriors apparently preparing a big offer for Jordan.
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then i guess biedrins is the amnesty man!
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
For sure.
I’d like to see what Kevin McHale could do with him. He’s still not old at all. 25.
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i take this back...if the magic trade howard to the clips...almost certain
the magic will want jordan as part of their deal including other clips too as well…nevermind.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
they said earlier today he might make his decision one way or the other tonight...
when you are thinking about moving across the country, don’t you think consulting with your wife and family is a good idea? waiting a few hours or even a couple of days is warranted
by inquisitiveman on Dec 9, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling Morey's got some other wacky shit planned.
I don’t know. I never know what to expect, but I do feel like he’s in panic mode. Josh Smith maybe? I’m not sure.
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How the hell does Memphis have the money to extend Randolph, extend Conley, and now offer gobs of money to Marc Gasol?
I don’t understand.
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Don't forget Max Money Gay.
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And extend Gay
B/c everyone else on the roster is getting a penny contract. Mayo has to be gone though after this year.
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 9, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
They have it in the till for... basketball reasons.
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Nets are one, according the The Hive Mind.
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Maybe the running of the NBA should be left up to crowdsourcing
A daily poll determines the fate of the league
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
see that's why I shouldn't make shit up
of course, maybe they’re also making shit up. ATH seems better than that, though. They have better journalistic ethics than I do.
I think Journalistic ethics died at least 5 years ago.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
At least that's what my source told me
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
I still don't know if a degree in Journalism is the right thing to do.
Junior year of HS right now….no idea what to do.
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Bioinformatics
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Medicine
MD, DO, PA, CRNA, or NP.
Thank me when you’ve got a Beemer and a big house in the burbs.
Signed,
Guy taking the Bar in February.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
I do one of those jobs above.
Don’t ever do any of those for the money. You will end up a bitter shell of a professional and your patients will suffer.
If you do have a natural interest in science and you enjoy giving more than you receive, though, there isn’t a better job in the world.
Having said that, I love my job and the money truly is just a secondary benefit.
Just don't become an arrogant douche if you do go that route.
My girlfriend’s roommate is one and I rub it in her face that I’ve got articles landing thousands of views a day while she writes freelance pieces for some shitty website and works at a news desk for E! channel. Worst part is she thinks her job does great things for this world. God forbid we spend one moment not knowing which Kardashian farted most recently!
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Was it Khloe?!
I bet it was Khloe, she seems gassy.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I still say we round up a few of the posters here, shove em' in a house with hidden knives and swords.
Last one to emerge gets a season ticket plan for the Rockets.
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I just want to do what I love doing.
Which is writing about sports, I guess. I may not be the best at it, but it’s what I like doing. Still, I feel like I’m going to have to give this up at one point, but until then I don’t care.
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God's honest advice for ya man.
I want to play bass, write for sports, own a pub, and travel. I majored in history and international relations in undergrad and it kind of got me nowhere. Pursuing law and I’m now a featured writer here, own two beautiful Fender babies, have a collection of recipes, stand up material, and plans for a trip to Ireland the second part of my 3L year.
Sometimes following what you love forces you to a more practical path after you take stock (I worked in a call center for Dish Network and then quit to go to a Coheed show and work for AmeriCorps).
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You're young follow your dreams
And enjoy HS and College while you can, it will all be over before you know it. Hopefully by the time you start your career the Economy will have rebounded.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Just don't spend 8 years in undergrad!
4 yrs and then start floating the bill for your Education.
Signed,
Guy with a baby on the way who is already dreading the cost of sending him to College.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 10, 2011 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Also, do the gap year.
You’ll never miss not working an extra year, but you might really miss bumming around Europe or wherever having fun.
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I received my degree in Journalism last year with an emphasis on PR
Some advice: intern ANYWHERE you can. Network with everyone you can when you intern. Do everything asked of you. The experience before you graduate alone with put you ahead of other people that just received a degree and didn’t take advantage of internships.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
by f22a4bandit on Dec 10, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Networking
No matter what your field is, Networking will make a establishing a career so much easier. Internships, Clubs, Frats, whatever you need to do to get to know prospective employers.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 10, 2011 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
Engineering, pick any kind and you can be assured of a good job if you are good at it. Petroleum pays the best though.
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by MiniChuckHayes on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone interested, I think.
ESPN reporting that Dwight’s Agent actually talked to the Magic and he’s allowed to talk to any team about potential trades.
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David Aldridge: Source: progress made in CP3 talks to Lakers, though many hurdles remain. Story up soon on http://NBA.com.
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1g6lpvBB2
Very interesting.
Nice up to date stuff.
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Adrian Wojnarowski: The primary work on deal has been between Lakers and Hornets sides, sources say. Rockets still get Gasol, still move same parts. Odom to NO.
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1g6naEn9v
All I need to know
deal will be done. Good night, y’all
by SpaceCityFan on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
WTF?
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Good, if true
I don’t think it would be killer if the Rockets gave up more, but it was clear from the way everything went down that the Lakers needed to be the ones giving up more to make this work for the league.
Funny, I thought chucking their frontcourt to rely on Bynum was fairly bad already.
(I know, Howard, but we’ll see. I don’t think that’ll fly.) One year of Chris Paul for their frontcourt? Of course Paul will sign with LA.
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I've said it before today
I don’t think the Lakers actually need to give up more to make it risky for them. It’s risky enough as it is. We’ll see how shit plays out, but I can’t see them getting Howard. And if they don’t get Howard….
And apparently they can talk to Howard.
Though what they can possibly trade Orlando after the CP3 deal eludes me.
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I still like my Kobe+Bynum for Howard+Hedo+Reddick idea.
Now they just have to get Kobe to agree to it.
That would be especially funny.
I see Kobe, in an old worn out Lakers jersey muttering to himself as he wanders in an addled haze through Disneyworld. “How could they do this to meeeeee!”
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Beat me to it by seconds.
I don’t know what to take from it, honestly. I expect something tomorrow afternoon.
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Adrian Wojnarowski
The primary work on deal has been between Lakers and Hornets sides, sources say. Rockets still get Gasol, still move same parts. Odom to NO.
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moar woj
NBA wants Hornets to get younger talent, picks. One source says, “Still working through it all,” and there could be resolution on Saturday.
could be resolution on Saturday.
WE NENE NOW?!
I mean, at the very least
Morey has to be blowing up Nene’s agent’s phone. “DON’T FUCKING DO ANYTHING!”
I hope so
NENE can wait like 12hrs before committing no?
by Aging Dominican on Dec 10, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
I bet something comes down tonight.
At least the leak of it.
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Apparently Jordan Hill had a death in the family.
Prayers go out to him.
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Hm.
Chris Mannix: Rival executives expecting three-team deal to get worked out to meet NBA approval. “They are going to get there,” texted a GM
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1g6pFP6gH
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Three teams for Howard apparently
Lakers (surprise!)
Nets (surprise!)
and
Mavericks (no, I actually am surprised)
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Rip Hamilton to Chicago?
Can they not steal Courtney Lee from us next summer then please
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Rip Hamiliton makes Chicago dangerous.
Unless he’s actually totally lost it. Which is possible.
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Uh.
Chris Mannix: Sources say Rockets are likely to put one or two young players into the deal. Unclear which ones, but HOU willing to make moves. 2 minutes ago
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Great. Fantastic.
I thought we’d put enough in this damned deal.
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Stern wants us to bleed...
In order to get what we want. I’m convinced that he won’t be happy unless the Rockets or the Lakers (or both) are ripped off.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 10, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
It's just not fair. We overpaid for Gasol once, do we really have to do it to a greater extent?
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Flynn!
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Yeah, that's the type of player I think
we might add to that, or Hill.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 10, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
I can't imagine
the “young players” being any more than just throwaway guys if they come form us. I would seriously doubt Patterson or Buddinger would be in the mix
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 10, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Scola is not a player you win a championship with
Pau Gasol is. Pretty simple there. Now LowryC that’s a whole other story.
by RedRowdy420 on Dec 10, 2011 12:10 AM CST via mobile reply actions
not really new information but
Chris Mannix: Rockets still hopeful to cut this deal and get back in Nene hunt. Need deal to clear cap space to offer $15 mill/per, which NJ is offering. 2 minutes ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1g6rHLFVX
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Rockets instructed "Bid Against Yourself!" by NBA.
The perfect flower that is the new CBA just keeps unfolding.
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I'm just waiting for an even cushier deal for the Hornets
One which borders on madness, followed by a simple “not good enough” by Stern.
by Aging Dominican on Dec 10, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
two words:
how u?
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
All i know is
I better not wake up and see our whole future with the hornets.
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 10, 2011 12:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions
i'll take losing patterson
budinger
thabeet
flynn / dragic (keep one)
Keep Morris, Hill, Williams and Lee. Please, just let us keep them. I’d even give up our other 1st rounder this year, and like to see LA throw Caracter and two picks in as well.
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
i hope it is Bud that is the additional young player we give up...
by inquisitiveman on Dec 10, 2011 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
me, too
Holy christ his character model is so ugly in the 2k games. I trade him every time just so I don’t have to look at him.
I'll miss Rick Adelman as Shrek on that game too.
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Goodnight Fellas
Hope to wake up to some sort of major progress.
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Apparently work goes on with the possible deal
This story was filed 8 minutes ago
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33780584
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courtney lee and patrick patterson?....OH SHIT!!!
by inquisitiveman on Dec 10, 2011 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
And how the money works after that...
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Fuck...wait foooooor it.....that!
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 10, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
Is this in addition to sending Scola, Martin and Dragic to NO?
If so…that’s a lot of bodies moving from the Rockets. I don’t know exactly how I feel about this, but it isn’t well.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
by f22a4bandit on Dec 10, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
No, that would be bad.
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only young talent
fuck
Season Prediction v2.5.1 beta lite: Our Houston Wrexans will finish 11-5 and go UNDEFEATED within the AFC South!
by theSpaceCityKid on Dec 10, 2011 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
We just don't know.
It’s all speculation.
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i might have to change it to...
“In Morey We Bust”
by inquisitiveman on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
I think he could plead insanity.
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according to an executive briefed on the talks.
I always wondered how this works. Does the NBA have an intelligence unit that briefs executives? Like they show up at the executive’s house under cover of darkness, wearing shades and earpieces and being all business. “Good morning, Mr. Silver. As of 2200 hours, Eastern Standard Time, we have received word that the Rockets, Hornets, and Lakers are preparing a thermonuclear trade capable of being carried in a standard briefcase.” And then that executive runs out and immediately (and anonymously) tells the press.
I really hope that’s how it happens.
by Only_A_Lad on Dec 10, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope so too.
I think its more like
“Hey, I got your voicemail again. Are you eating? I haven’t eaten anything in, like, 10 hours. Anyway now they’re saying Patterson and Lee. Who the hell knows. Call me.”
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Yeah I guess "briefed"
sounds a lot better than “according to an NBA official who says he totally heard some shit…”
I think your version is much cooler.
Sealed documents. Security clearance. And of course, tweets.
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by f22a4bandit on Dec 10, 2011 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
If they throw in
Cortney Lee and Patrick Patterson then I am officially against this deal, that is giving up WAY too much unless there is more to the deal.
We get Kobe.
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I would
burn down Toyota Center. Don’t even joke about that.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 10, 2011 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, hide ya daughters
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 10, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Hide ya husbands, Rockets gettin raped...
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too much
you cant wager the majority of our young talent on a guy on the wrong side of 30. i dont like giving anything additional up. I’d tell NO suck it and let them settle for less somewnere else. we have lots of options and we are trying to force something to happen now. i say wait on a deal where we’re clear winners.
"Lets go rip the mothafu#kin heart out these haters!"
It's not NO.
They were fine with the deal. It’s Stern and whinging owners.
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i wonder if we are getting back Okafor....we will have lost 5 players so it seems like
we have to get another player back at least.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 10, 2011 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
i kno, im just putting the 2 together. i jjus dont see how he can be working in the best intrest of the hornets and the league.sometimes whats good for one aint good for the other.
"Lets go rip the mothafu#kin heart out these haters!"
Idk if this this is going anyway in our favor if we offer up ALL of that
I though Scola, Martin, Dragic, and a pick was a lot. Adding in two players one with enormous potential and another who’s starter quality is overkill to me
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 10, 2011 12:55 AM CST reply actions
Apparently they now get to move to Houston and we have to go to New Orleans.
What a pisser.
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so now the NBA should own the Rockets
what good does it do to revive the Hornets but kill the Rockets…
by inquisitiveman on Dec 10, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
That's not the point
Stern must be respected.
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We must sacrifice a virgin (most likely dragic) at hisknees
to make a deal happen
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 10, 2011 1:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And here I thought the NBA was dead to me
I’m on TDS at nearly 1 AM waiting to hear the latest on this trade situation. If we can somehow manage to nab both Pau AND Nene, I’ll be alright.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
I just read
that the Rockets might end up backing out and the Lakers and Hornets might be looking at another team as the “middle man” according to Kurt Helin. I think we should back out if they are asking for everything plus Lee and Patterson.
correct you are bobbythegreat
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by F-BombTheJets on Dec 10, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Man my prays would be anwsered
Someone will be willing to take Scola and Martin’s contracts. No need to bring on another bad contract and give away more.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
maybe we can throw in a million fans to pad the deal a little
"Lets go rip the mothafu#kin heart out these haters!"
You're all overreacting.
One guy says that the rockets add someone from a list of players and you all assume the Rockets are trading the house.
I've been gone for an hour
and everyone is having a cow.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
What are we supposed to do?
Be rational, objective fans?
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
Not here.
Not at this hour.
(And I know, sarchasm font.)
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we can only go by reports and thats kinda what we're here to do.
"Lets go rip the mothafu#kin heart out these haters!"
Ok, nothing until tomorrow.
Stern drank some warm milk and he’s definitely asleep until 9am EST.
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Have the appropriate executives been briefed?
Executive briefings, stat!
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Anyone else still awake?
I’m still taking a wait & see approach on this. I’ve been in support of this deal from the get go, but I’m starting to sour on it when it seems like they’re squeezing us for more and more. But, it’s all still speculation, so I’ll wait until it’s all said and done before I get all knee jerky.
Seriously
I have supported the trade as well, but if it means giving up P2 and Courtney Lee, I don’t think Gasol is worth that much. Pure speculation right now so hopefully Morey comes through for us.
Goodnight Shakers.
I’ll see you in my dreams.
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i feel like the trade
will look like this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=784lxau
add patterson, la throws in 2 picks, to go with the ny pick we’ve thrown in. This way, we actually shed a bit more salary (to go after _ center this weekend), new orleans still has a PF need filled (albeit with a younger player), and the only longish contracts New Orleans takes back are Martin and Odom (both of whom are prized assets that can be flipped for more picks and young talent if they want to go all out on the youth movement). Would hate to see el Luifa in the purple and gold, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
The Hornets are intent on keeping Jack.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I know you have to give something to get something.
But I would try to keep Patterson at all costs. Patterson and Lowry.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Dec 10, 2011 8:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So the same trade but only giving up more...
How does this make sense? Patterson’s contract sint bad, no reason to shed that. Scola abd Martin have value, there not a contract you just ditch. If they were Hedo Turk, or a dif bad contract, Id like the trade.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
No more players F%&^K OFF D.Stern you C&^^%Ucker
18M+ for 3 years !!! our original offer was too much.
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This post. At 4:10 in the morning. Craig, that's just phenomenal.
The Dream Shake ...on Twitter.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Hahaha...awesome.
I always thought he kind of resembled a vulture. Or a condor. Somebody needs to get on making an image of that. For science.
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by Stupendous Man on Dec 10, 2011 8:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Call me insane but I think New Orleans could presumably pull of a deal like this in the best interests of everyone.
LA includes a 1st rounder and cash considerations, Houston keeps their draft picks out there, New Orleans saves a little bit of cash, Houston solves the PF and C conundrum, LA gets a replace PF to dull their sting, AND gets Chris Paul.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7m8495p
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Hell, you can even shuffle Dragic over to the Hornets and Ariza to the Lakers to make it work too.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I'm also curious of the Celtics interest in David West.
If New Orleans takes on salary in that, it gets messy and the league should be dicks and veto again. However, if Boston wants to get involved in a three way where they send Jeff Green and some picks to New Orleans as well, then New Orleans can bump up the salary they send out, commence a bit of a salary dump, and wind up better off than they were before.
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I don't think the Rockets want Okafor
I think they want to sign one of the FA Centers. It’s a possibility though
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
ah,
but then they amnesty Okafor, make offer to Nene, and then try to sign another FA!
Yeah, that’s likely.
Can they do that?
Amnesty a player that’s been traded to them?
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Gray area in the amnesty clause as we have it right now.
Just says the contract has to be in existence, no deal post-CBA can be amnestied, I think there’s a very clear and convincing argument that the amnesty clause, since it’s not a one time only thing, can be used on any contract signed during the last CBA.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Every team gets 1 amnesty to use during the life of the current CBA.
They have 6 years to amnesty a player and the provision doesn’t speak to team of origin, only contracts in place prior to the CBA, which are not team specific.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Oh ok I understand that
u meant it is a one time thing
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Just saying what's already been said:
But I hope these “younger pieces” are more Hill/Flynn/Thabeet than Lee/Patterson.
Add Morris to the “untouchable” list
by Christopher Dion Harris on Dec 10, 2011 9:00 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Y'all make it sound like they're franchise guys and not easily replaceable in the draft.
The problem I have is shipping out way too much youth rather than who we’re sending out. LA Should foot the youth and draft bill in this trade, they’re the ones who want Paul. I’m not about to fool myself into thinking that Patterson or Morris is a franchise player.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
The Lakers need to give up some young talent too...we can't be giving up all that
and not get a player in return.
Another rumor:
Hornets get: Dragic, Scola, Lee, Odom, Bynum and picks(from both LA and Houston)
Lakers get: Thabeet and Hill ,Ariza, and CP3
Rockets get: Gasol, Okafor and another young player from LA
That's just crazy
Dragic, Lee, Scola, THabeet, and Hill for…..Gasik
by SpaceCityFan on Dec 10, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly, I say you take that shit.
Gasol, Okafor, and maybe Derrick Caracter or something like that? My only concern, we gotta get rid of Kevin Martin because his butthurt is so bad you can taste it. And it tastes like spoiled ham.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Don't you think he'd get over it
With a chance to play on a team in the hunt for one of the top 5 seeds in the playoffs?
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Yeah, there's no way LAL agrees to that.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
only if they assume Howard will walk this season and sign with them in the offseason
since they have traded all their main assets……still think Kobe would have to restructure his contract so that Paul and Howard both get max deals…
by inquisitiveman on Dec 10, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Paul is on the record
saying he wouldn’t mind taking a pay cut to play with Melo and Amare in New York. Presumably he’d also be willing to take a pay cut to play with Kobe and Howard.
Sat. morning thoughts:
Celtics are getting David West on a sign-and-trade with the Hornets. The Hornets are basically getting trash back, centered around Jermaine O’Neal. Hollinger was kind of bewildered at this last night, thinking it was going to kill the CP3 trade, but talks continued after the West deal went down, so apparently not.
Dan Gilbert’s complaint to the league centered around the idea of the Lakers getting Paul (oh the humanity!), but he also bitched about the Lakers getting rid of some financial obligations.
So if the Hornets end up sending O’Neal’s expiring deal to the Lakers, depending on how the deal shakes out they could be looking at no change in their salary obligations. Yeah, it’s an expiring contract so the Lakers would still be good for this offseason, but they’d still be $35 million over the cap or whatever.
So maybe the West deal helps out the Paul deal. We’ll see.
I felt that with the amnesty gray area that the Hornets can go ahead and take on whatever salary and still be fine.
Granted the league could always say “We don’t have to pay the amnestied player for basketball reasons.” Since that’s a good catchall for Stern, apparently.
I’m still hopeful that this can get taken care of.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
There's a report out there
that the Nets have offered Nene 4 years/80 million…good lord
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 9:42 AM CST reply actions
And I thought the Okafor deal was bad
maybe I’m starting to change my mind a little bit
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
70 Millions. The fact that the Nets stepped up the offer makes it obvious he's waiting to see what happens here.
No problems for me.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Alvero Martin (whoever the hell that is)
YahooSports: #NewJerseyNets have four-year/$80 million deal w. #Nene at hand, but are making effort to close on #DwightHoward trade instead.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I was going off this link:
Also, 4 year 20 million is impossible under the current rules of the CBA, can’t offer 20 million for a guy with Nene’s tenure.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I think i'm coming around to having Okafor more than Nene
for that price…thats really maxing out
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
I was on board with swinging for Okafor for a while now.
In regards to Nene, he didn’t sign that deal with New Jersey and there’s a good chance he would take less for a better situation in Houston if we land Gasol.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I'd hope he'd take less
I can’t believe the uproar over Lee or Patterson being involved. I understand the Lowry talk to a certain extent, but Lee or Patterson aren’t dealbreakers.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
I think they are dealkbreakers in combination with Martin
If you leave Martin out of the deal then Patterson/Lee can enter the talks.
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Thank you!
The sooner people realize the Rockets have replaceable players in this deal the sooner this trade gets a positive reaction.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
You have to remember
That we’re talking about a small window to contend with Gasol, and it will be much harder to do with no supporting cast.
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When has Morey not been able to find a supporting cast?
I’d say that’s what he’s best at
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
I believe he can, but he can while Gasol is still under contract?
Every year is vital… if it takes him two more years to assemble a strong supporting cast, it’s almost pointless to trade for Gasol.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
But losing just one of Patterson or Lee
doesn’t ruin the surrounding cast. If you lose Lee, yeah your shooting backcourt becomes a weakness, but how do we not know that T Will isn’t ready to just go on a tear? Maybe there’s someone else Morey already has in mind. If Patterson leaves, I’d say it effects the Rockets way less. This team has always been stacked at pf, and in my opinion is the easiest position to replace. He’s just a backup right now anyways.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Not by themselves, but in combination with
Losing Martin, Scola, Dragic, and a first round pick, that’s really gutting our roster. Especially if you’re giving up both Lee and Martin because then who the heck plays shooting guard for you? T-Will? Yuck.
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Overrating talent.
It’s doubtful that we lose Scola AND Martin and retaining one of those guys gives us the option to swing a deal for another guy. I feel like if Martin goes we’ll turn around and ship Scola out for a SG.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
That's why I said
I’m okay with packaging one of those only if we keep Martin. Got me?
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Again, depending on the haul to be given over, it depends.
If it’s Martin, youth, and draft picks for Gasol and Okafor? Take it, ship Scola out for that SG that you’re so concerned about. We have options.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Well, same deal basically
The point is, we can’t afford to give up Martin, Scola, Dragic, AND Patterson or Lee.
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I think we can. Especially considering none of the young guys given up are irreplaceable.
Patterson was a 14th pick, he’s not franchise. Lee is a very nice two way guard, which means if you give up Martin you most likely retain Lee. As it stands you’re blurring all the deal proposals together between the original and the updated. I think you need to sort them out and come back to the discussion table.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Or at least acknowledge that if Martin, Lee, AND Scola go
There will be some return to fill that void in talent. The Rockets don’t tend to get fleeced.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
It's too much to give up
I don’t see us contending with almost no supporting cast, fewer picks to rebuild with, and only three years to do it. Morey has shown he can build a nice team in that time, but it didn’t happen overnight.
It’s not about any one player being crucial or a dealbreaker, it’s about giving up too much for too little.
Now, if you’re right and the deal just gets restructured so we still give up a similar AMOUNT of assets, then okay. But I’m not convinced you are yet. We’ll see.
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We get a good run on good talent if we land Okafor.
And at least 30 million off the books at once. We’ve got picks stocked AND players overseas tucked away. We’ll be fine.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Small window to contend didn't hurt the Celtics that bad, did it?
Do we have a competent GM or not? As it stands, I find Morey to be very competent and great at putting together a supporting cast, as my esteemed Twin pointed out. If anything it forces a rebuild after the team has actually exhausted some longevity in contention AND managed to make good on some free agent attraction. I don’t see the issue here.
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You called me esteemed
Thank you sir
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
So what's the limit on Nene?
He’s obviously the best center on the market right now, but at what point do you just say “nope” and let him bounce?
As it stands, the rumors that Morey is pursuing him and that we’ll make some killer offer to beat out the Nets/Nuggets seemed like the most un-Morey thing possible.
Is he a max deal guy? Both b-ref and WoW (I know, but whatever) peg him at ~10 wins/season. For reference: Howard’s somewhere between 10 and 15 in any year, while the same is true of Pau over the last few seasons.
I don’t think he’s worth a max deal, but you have to wonder if it’s the right move, right? If he’s your best bet at contention, and you don’t think he’ll drastically underperform the contract (eg he won’t suddenly turn into a 5-6 win player), maybe it’s worth it.
But like I said: decidedly un-Morey.
I think we have to show patience. As it stand, we might get Okafor.
Further, as it stands the Nene has not accepted any offer and for a better chance at a good situation he may not require as high a bid. There’s about 5,000 external factors we have to consider in all this making it too soon to assume anything right now.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Okafor strikes me as a placeholder
Seriously don’t think of him as anything more than a really good backup or a starter on a team that has everything else in place. With the way the trade looks the Rockets need another guy who can be one of your best peeps. Okafor isn’t that guy.
Basically, I think handing Nene a max deal (yeah, it might not be necessary, but let’s assume it is for now) would be less crippling than having $13-16 million tied up in Okafor for the next three years.
Okafor's contract is up in 2 years.
I feel like his contributions are equivalent to what Nene offers plus much more beneficial in regards to defense. Between Gasol and Okafor that’s rim protection in droves. If people want to call Gasol soft Okafor more than makes up for it.
In the deal’s current incarnation we retain Kevin Martin which could be translated into some help at the 2 or 3 if we try to find a two way guy. When you say Okafor is the guy that you put in when you have another go who can be your best, that’s what Pau Gasol would be, isn’t he?
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-TCWIR paraphrased
He's got 3 seasons left
at about and average of 13 million. So ya a little over 2 years
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Checking it out on ESPN's trade machine shows paul as 2 years and he expires this year.
Once the season starts they’ll drop the numbers by one.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Me too.
ESPN Trade Machine says Okafor has 3 and given their Paul numbers are off by a year, their Okafor ones are off by a year as well.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Well Paul still does have 2 years left
but that second year is an option year. And from what i’ve found on Okafor, it says he’s still under contract through the 13/14 season with no options.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Well f*ck me running.
I’m going to bump you up from esteemed to respected.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Hold back the tears man, just high five it out.
Beer’s on me.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
eh
I feel like his contributions are equivalent to what Nene offers
Career true shooting for Emeka is like .540, for Nene it’s around .600. And over the last three years, Nene has lead the league in true shooting twice (’09 and ’10) and effective field goal perc. in 2011. Nene is also the better passer. Turns the ball over more, though.
Defensively, Emeka’s contributions are obvious - he’s a good shot-blocker and rebounder. But Nene’s defensive +/ numbers are pretty good, and those come on some teams that aren’t really renowned for defensive efficiency.
I don’t really think they’re equivalent. Nene seems to me to be a guy who is All-Star quality, while Emeka just doesn’t in any way.
I think we get lost in Nene's one good season as the key feature for Denver.
His career numbers are nice but that’s because he had Anthony taking a lot of the pressure off and had a limited window in which to perform in Denver as the guy. As for Okafor, he always had a significant individual impact on a team that didn’t give him much help in the defensive arena. For me I’ll take the point retention that Okafor provides via defense over the offense Nene provides with the defensive issues he offers. Okafor had to shoulder the load in Charlotte when that clearly wasn’t his jam. Once you relegate him to a complimentary player for some dunks and clean up work, combined with his defense, I think you’re looking at a damn fine complementary guy.
If Nowitzki can do it with a great supporting cast why can’t we build something up around Gasol with some great defense and a young supporting cast? Plus, Gasol and Okafor expire at the same time, sup ~30 million dollars off your books in 2 seasons?
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I would much rather offer max money to Marc Gasol and challenge the Grizz to match.
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Ah you’re right. Dammit, is there another Gasol brother that can play the 3?
by MadMartygan on Dec 10, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
that could be the motive of Morey...get the first bro here...then try to get the 2nd bro
but i would be satisfied with Okafor…
by inquisitiveman on Dec 10, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Nets increase offer to Nene, four-years $70 million http://dlvr.it/ztJv0
If you can feel them, they are real.
obviously Nene knows
that as soon as he agrees to the Nets, they are going to try to ship his ass to Orlando for a suckfest of a team
If you can feel them, they are real.
possible....Magic might do it for Howard as long as the Nets take the toxic contracts of
Hedo and whoever else has a toxic contract….good thing for the Nets that Arenas was amnestied.
by inquisitiveman on Dec 10, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
They are also willing to throw in
An updated copy of the videogame “Ballers”
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it'd be NBA Street vol. 2
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 10, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno
Nene Hilario was heavily featured on NBA Ballers. A phat crib and a pic of him standing in front of his big SUV
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
In other news
Lindsay Lohan photos leaked. It’s kind of disturbing, I can only see the little girl from the Parent Trap…what the heck happened to her
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:18 AM CST reply actions
She got hooked on drugs and grew a pair of boobies.
That’s what happened to her.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
They airbrushed the shit out of those pics
only way they ended up making her not look like a train wreck
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
I have no interest in seeing those.
Maybe 5 or 6 years ago, but not in her current drug-ravaged state. Just feels wrong.
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by Stupendous Man on Dec 10, 2011 10:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Completely unrelated:
Just gauging interest, but who would be up for a Dream Shake fantasy basketball league this season?
They've already got one to join
but it’s some points system I’ve never played before, so I backed out.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Sign up. I've never even done it and I signed up.
Team name Delonte’s Sloppy2nds
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I'm still thinking about it
I love fantasy basketball, but the system for that league is just odd. I’ve never seen anything like that. I’m use to the Rotisserie leagues or head to head.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Sign up or get downgraded from respected to acknowledged.
Man up time!
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I'll kill them.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I'm not a sensible man.
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I know CF is bizarro land, but still
It’s just so weird reading the posters over there.
Mad Max and others against the proposed trade – I understand the frustration b/c conventional wisdom is to tank and get a high lotto pick. Unfortunately, unless we get a new owner, that’s not an option.
That’s the conventional wisdom, really?
I'm a little disturbed
Mel Gibson is commenting on Rockets trades
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
It's too poorly moderated for such a big forum
They should encourage better OPs maintained through continuous edits with updates, by locking any thread without good content in the OP. They should also require people to start a new thread when the old one gets too big.
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I think Dwight to Dallas is a pipedream
What do they have that anyone wants?
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 10:58 AM CST reply actions
Looks like Dallas is interested in Dalembert
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Mavs’ first swipe, I’m told, will be trying to do S-and-T w/Sacramento for Dalembert by using big trade exception from Tyson Chandler deal
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 11:03 AM CST reply actions
Laker Fan
Competitive nature aside, I do see your concerns about Pau Gasol (i.e. soft) however he is a very highly skilled big man. I had the same concerns about him when we acquired him but his skill set shows. HOWEVER, in this deal I think you guys shouldnt have to give up that many pieces to the Hornets. Not saying Gasol isn’t worth it… but us giving them Odom and you guys giving them Scola, Martin, and the rest? As a fellow fan, I hope you guys land Nene or Marc Gasol and a few more quality players. It would only be equal justice that the Rockets improve too. Good luck fella’s, hope to see you at the playoffs!
by Major_Blood on Dec 10, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wow
I dont know if this is true, but ppl on twitter are saying Stern wants the Rockets to include Patterson and Lee in the original trade.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
I don't know what to believe on twitter
I’ve seen a few that say all we give up is Lee, Patterson, Budinger, Dragic,Thabeet & 1st. And that was from some supposed “agent”
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Hear me out on this
what if all I typed above was correct…and Morey flips Martin and Scola to the Nuggets for Nene. Just throwin shit up against a wall
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
im wouldnt be down with that.
Too much for nene as well.
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 10, 2011 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nene will be over paid
Wed still be giving up to much for both imo. They dont make us contenders.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
I'm just gonna post the tweet, I know it's not a legit reporter
WSMG_Austin Austin Walton
The new 3-way deal will look something like this: HOU – Pau, LAL – CP3 & Ewing Jr., NOH – LO, Lee, Patterson, Budinger, Dragic,Thabeet & 1st
This guy says he’s an NBA Agent for waltonsports
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
5 players and a pick?
I feel like WE are the ones going for CP3. WTH is going on?
by SpaceCityFan on Dec 10, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
3 marginal players
and 2 above average players…keep in mind Scola and Martin aren’t in that deal
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Which doesn't shed much salary, at all
by SpaceCityFan on Dec 10, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't really matter much
if you move some players for Nene. It would be the same outcome, just with the possibility of keeping Martin
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I'd actually be fine with that for the most part
I just didn’t like the idea of giving up Martin and Lee. That is, if Martin will be a professional about this whole thing and not be a butthurt little child about it.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 10, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
No Gasol, He rode Kobes back, he sucks, I wouldn't trade anybody for that guy!
by ursus arctos horribilis on Dec 10, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
without gasol,t
He lakers wouldn’t have won anything other than playoff appearences.
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 10, 2011 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I almost everyone will agree on that
But without Kobe they wouldnt have even made the playoffs. Without Kobe theyre picking in the top 10 those years.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Just so we're clear
that tweet I posted is just a rumor, nothing close to being true. I’m not trying to break news or be right about the deal, just putting it up for chatter
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 11:44 AM CST reply actions
New deal has been submitted to league office for approval
Marc Stein on twitter
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 11:46 AM CST reply actions
Well here we go
Marc Stein ESPNSteinLine 1 min Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Just filed to ESPN w/Chris_Broussard: New trade framework of original three-team CP3 deal has been submitted to league office for approval
2nd that
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Mark Stein
Details of specific changes made to original 3-team framework not immediately known but NBA insisting Hornets get more youth/picks this time
So give it a few, and we’ll see what happens.
Wojo on twitter
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
In restructured 3 way deal, Houston still sending Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and 2012 picks to Hornets, sources say.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 12:02 PM CST reply actions
Still over paying
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like they're keeping a tight lid on the details this time
Until the NBA approves.
Good.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
/
@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
In restructured 3 way deal, Houston still sending Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and 2012 picks to Hornets, sources say.
Follow me on twitter: @Super_Stud2100
He now says just one pick
the NY one
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Be awesome if we just sent another pick.
by MadMartygan on Dec 10, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
/
@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
That should say, 2012 PICK to Hornets (via New York).
Follow me on twitter: @Super_Stud2100
@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The structural changes in deal will come between Lakers and Hornets, source says
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
you sure got a love fest with Dragic
it would suck to lose him, great to keep him, but he wont make us a championship contender
I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
Does this mean we're keeping Dragic?
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by Stupendous Man on Dec 10, 2011 12:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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The structural changes in deal will come between Lakers and Hornets, source says.
Great news...
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by Stupendous Man on Dec 10, 2011 12:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
moar woj
The structural changes in deal will come between Lakers and Hornets, source says.
See, I told y’all you were freaking out over nothing.
I still feel like somehow the Rockets will get screwed again
But maybe Morey pulls this off.
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If this one gets vetoed as well
holy crap…the shitstorm will double in size
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
i just dont see how they can veto the second deal
Unless its like the exact same which it won’t be. I think the nba will try to save face and allow it
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thank you for the updates.
Good news while I’m. Stuck with the fam.
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 10, 2011 12:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Steve Kyler:
Sources close to Sam say he has been offered $9 mill from Houston on a multi-year deal – Houston trying to complete Gasol deal first
I hate david stern!
So they are going for
Dalembert and Gasol?
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 10, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Can't get Nene
if they get Dalembert.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 10, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
Just Awful. I cant do it man…lol
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by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
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@KBergCBS Ken Berger
The key changes, as @WojYahooNBA reports, involve the Lakers and Hornets, source says. Rockets’ role “virtually unchanged.”
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That's reassuring
I heard McHale on NBA TV right now, and he sounded pretty upset they didn’t get Pau (recorded last night). Pau + Nene/Dalembert = a real front court
by SpaceCityFan on Dec 10, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
And a real high draft pick
Nene would be good but we would have to over pay. Dalembert is just throwing away cash.
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by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Real high draft pick?
You mean from the Knicks team that will finish near the top of the East? They don’t have as many trips to the West this season.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
No, im talking about us
We will not be as good of a team with Dalembert and Gasol. Will be locked up for the same amount of time as we were with Scola/Martin.
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by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Locked up with Martin and Scola?
Scola just signed his new deal last year, and Martin has been here a season and a half. We have a smart GM that can blow it up if it doesn’t work out. Although I think the team is by far better, they can actually stop people from scoring now.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 10, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Gasol isnt any better than Scola defensivly against a 4, let alone a 5.
God help us. Dalembert is good, but were over paying him by 4 Mil at 9 mil per. Im saying that we’d be tying up cap for the same amount of time that we would with Martin and Scola, only more money.
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by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
yes he is. You honestly can’t think that Scola is as good defensively as Gasol. You just can’t think that.
by Bobbythegreat on Dec 10, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
not as good of a
team with two 7 footers in the frontcourt this season, as opposed to 2 frontcourt last season (Sclo-Hayes) who weren’t even 6’10’’ ? wat the freak are you thinking?
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But
In a shortened season, the Knicks could easily pick in the top 10. Both Amare and Chandler are injury prone. If Amare goes down with any significant injury, they could easily miss the playoffs. If both go down, they could easily pick in the top 10.
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by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Not that I think thats a big deal
Like someone else said, you dont bet on another team getting injuries. Still traded to much. I was starting to warm up to the trade because of the Cap space. But if were trading away the money just to tie up Dalembert for 9 mil a season, it defeats the purpose. This is the same Dalembert who was just traded because he was paid to much. the 76ers were even having trouble trading his contract.
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by darwithabar on Dec 10, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
There are rumors
that the Lakers will be getting Okafor in this deal.
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