Reggie Miller not a HOFer? Blasphemy.
by grungedave on Feb 18, 2011 3:07 PM CST
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How the hell is Reggie Miller not even a finalist for the HOF???
It's true. Somehow Reggie Miller did not even make the first cut of nominees for the 2011 Basketball Hall of Fame. Essentially, Reggie Miller is now getting the Cris Carter treatment. There is no logical explanation for this. At no point has anyone ever looked at Reggie Miller and said "nah, he's not really a hall of famer." Because that would be absolutely, utterly ridiculous.
On a more personal note -- there are exactly two (2) jerseys of NBA players that I own that are not Rockets jerseys. One is Penny Hardaway, who if not for injury might have been the greatest point guard of all-time. Yes, better than Magic Johnson. Penny was amazing. Then someone introduced him to the word "microfracture" and it was all over. So sad. The other jersey I own is Reggie Miller's #31 Pacers jersey. And why? Because Reggie was f--kin' awesome. You have to be a true badass for me to own your jersey and Reggie fit the bill. In every way. (For those paying attention, I do not own a Kobe Bryant jersey and I may be a bigger Kobe fan than most Laker fans.)
Yet some clowns who wield their authority like a high-school nerd scorned by the head cheerleader have decided that Reggie Miller is not even worthy of discussion as a finalist for the Hall of Fame.
Do you know who Reggie was competing with for nomination? Immortals along the lines of Dennis Rodman, Maurice Cheeks (good guy, but he's not Reggie), Ralph Sampson (!?!?!), Dick Bavetta (seriously?), Rick Pitino (now this is just absurd), and Mark Jackson (uhhhh...).
Dick Bavetta!?!?!?!? When did the Basketball Hall of Fame become the sporting equivalent of the Grammy Awards? This is like Jethro Tull winning the Grammy for "Best Heavy Metal Performance" over Metallica in 1989. Mind-boggling.
If Reggie Miller does not get inducted into the Hall of Fame next year, let me be the first to lead the ensuing riot in Springfield. Or as Al Bundy would say: "I am going to run amok and start killing people in alphabetical order."
Now, the only good news that can come from this is that the absence of Reggie Miller as a candidate makes it that much easier for one Rudy Tomjanovich to make the Hall of Fame. Do not get me wrong, it is still a massive mistake by the Hall that Rudy T is not an inductee while Jerry Sloan, John Stockton and the Worst Person Alive™ Karl Malone have already been afforded the opportunity to give lame speeches and be immortalized. It's shameful, in fact. And it must be corrected immediately.
So -- if not Reggie, put Rudy T in the Hall of Fame!
maddening update: Rudy T did not make the list of finalists either. F--k you, Hall of Fame!
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You know what's funny?
Kevin Martin is a carbon copy of Reggie and has put up far better numbers. Unfortunately, Reggie owned the playoffs.
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Is he? Haven't heard any news about him being mentioned.
by inquisitiveman on Feb 19, 2011 1:01 AM CST up reply actions
He's not
but it is in the mission statement of this blog to get him in
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Feb 19, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
He owned the playoffs but
Went bankrupt when it came to the finals. I know it was in large part due to Jordan but I think those battles with the Knicks and Bulls made Reggie one of the most overrated players in history. Just like Pippen is for playing with Jordan. I still think he should get in but just not so soon.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Even if you think he's overrated
or should wait a year or something…the dude didn’t even make it as a finalist. That’s messed up. There needs to be a change with the HOF because this is just nonsense.
by danielcp0303 on Feb 18, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Reggie was also an in-game personality, Martin not so much
Espn even did a 30 for 30 episode on Reggie with a generous amount of time focused on his sister too. He’s going to be on the ballot eventually.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Feb 18, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
That was the best 30 for 30
by basketball is cool on Feb 18, 2011 11:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
2nd best. Best was the Drazen Petrovic – Vlade Divac
by VBG on Feb 18, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely a good one also
But that was too… sentimental? Reggie’s was all about basketball, much more my taste.
by basketball is cool on Feb 18, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
by sentimental do mean emotional?
I mean, the Petrovic and Divac one involved war and the obvious untimely death of Petrovic so of course it’s going to have some emotional depth.
And many other 30 for 30 will have emotionally riveting moments as well considering they deal with revelatory moments that aren’t the most comforting to sports fans, i.e. the loss of a hero or an athlete losing his or her hero status. It is sometimes tragic, but they keep it real, and I think they try to find light in it and if you can face reality then it should be no different from watching most common documentaries that attempt to provide you with greater perspective on the lives and/or issues of those affected within the documentary. My personal favorite was the U, dealing with the University of Miami’s heyday. I’m not a big football fan either, but that was one damn good look at an epic era of college football and helped give me a better understanding of their impact on sports in general.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Feb 19, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Reggie's the only non-Rocket jersey I ever owned
This is really ludicrous.
I feel bad for reggie
First ray allen breaks his 3-point record.
And now he gets jibbed from the HOF.
Im prettty sure this has to be a mixup and this has to be fixed soon.
The whole first-ballot thing pisses me off.
I’m sure he’ll get in, but it’s going to take awhile. Does it make sense? Absolutely not. If someone is a Hall of Famer, they are a Hall of Famer. It shouldn’t matter what year of eligibility they are in.
And yes, the same crap is happening to Cris Carter in the NFL. Although he is an even BIGGER no-brainer. Yes I’m biased, but what the hell? He’s maybe the second best WR of all time. In the top five, at the very least.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Feb 18, 2011 7:30 PM CST reply actions
ummm, no
I loved Cris Carter’s game, but I can quickly name 5 WRs that were better than him…
Jerry Rice
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Don Hutson
Andre Johnson (bias)
Jerry Rice, obviously.
TO, no way. Absolutely no way.
The rest is up for debate, but if you look at the numbers you might change your mind.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Feb 21, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Not if you're talking about hands.
Or route running. Or being a great teammate.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Feb 23, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
Reggie should be inducted
For the mere fact he kicked Kobe’s ass. End of story.
Don’t even get me started on Rudy T.
by basketball is cool on Feb 18, 2011 9:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Dick Bavetta is going to the hall of fame because of his contribution to '02 WCF.
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by bone31crusher on Feb 18, 2011 10:15 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
lol
I’ll rec this when I get on my computer
by basketball is cool on Feb 18, 2011 11:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Further off topic and still vaguely HoF related...
How is it that Guy Lewis, who took Houston to four Final Four appearances, coached HoF caliber players like Olajuwon and Drexler and more, AND helped break the color barrier for college basketball in the south isn’t even on the list. But Jim Valvano, who won exactly ONE title off a lucky shot, made the cut for the HoF.
Screw the HoF with a sword. And not with a little bitch sword, but a big friggin’ sword, like Excaliber or some such BS.
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Abbott on Truehoop made the point [and occasionally he posts things that make sense!]
that maybe the league should make its’ own Hall of Fame that has some sense of logic to the votes.
The way the current NBA HoF is run is just … ridiculous.
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Miller must have ticked off some people at some point…
… that’s the only reason I can think of for him not being a finalist…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
Spike Lee must be one of the members of the nominating committee.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 19, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just gonna be "that guy" for sake of discussion
What has Reggie done? He put up a three point shot record and that was good, but it was broken. He has no rings, no defensive players of the year, not a particularly great slash scorer, just a great pure shooter with no ring, no record (anymore) and that’s it. Personal opinions aside when I’m looking at numbers and accomplishments I don’t see the guy’s name in anything but second place.
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Funny, I was not awared that Mark Jackso did any of that
or Mo for that mattered
Here This should start you off
The guy was a dynamic scorer.
Led the Pacers to Eastern Conference Finals in 94,95,98
Finals in 2000
Dominated the hell out of the nets
So it's the Hall of Very Good?
I mean, he was an excellent player, but what did he accomplish?
(Also, for anyone not smart enough to read the title to my post, this is purely a devil’s advocate position.)
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the ring requirement is stupid
Reggie Miller is #14 on the list of NBA scorers. Everyone eligible in the top 20 is already in the HOF, except for Robert Parish (who is #19). Reggie Miller was the primary scoring option for a team for 19 years… many of those teams had little or no talent and Reggie got them to the playoffs nearly every year – even when the East was the dominant conference (like the West is now).
It’s not Reggie’s fault there are no rings to be had. He made numerous HUGE shots in the playoffs and his reputation for being clutch is well-deserved. Plus, before Reggie the 3-point shot was a novelty. Reggie showed how it can truly be a weapon.
He has an Olympic Gold Medal (Dream Team 2) so he HAS won something.
That said, you may be on to something, as basketball reference has his “HOF Probability” at 5%. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_career.html
Too late!
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On a side note
Just saw a tweet by Wojofjoajfkldlfjdkls from Yahoo talking about how the Rockets and Blazers have an eye on Wallace with the Bobcats. From what I’ve seen of the guy, he just jacks up bad shots…but I’ve only seen a few Bobcats games. What do you think of him?
by twinkilling0303 on Feb 21, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Hard nosed defensive player
near elite level slasher, can’t shoot to save his life. I’ve been vocal on the board about wanting him. If we go for Wallace/Dalembert then I think we’re in win now mode and have a legitimate shot, but that’s all contingent on who we lose and how quickly it can come together. If we’re going to go all in I’d like to see the money spent on retaining those two and signing who we have left, I think it could be a good team if Martin doesn’t wind up going anywhere, same with Scola.
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A legitimate shot?
You talking about playoffs or the whole thing?
by twinkilling0303 on Feb 21, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
If it's built around in the offseason
the whole thing, this season? Playoff noise making. This is contingent on getting Dalembert in conjunction with Wallace (A shot blocking center would do this team a world of good).
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I honestly can't say too much about Wallace
their team is really one of the few I’ve never payed attention to. I think I saw him play a while back with the Kings (I think) but not really much after that. Not big on Dalembert, but I see your point. I actually think Hill could be a guy that just blocks shots and controls the middle…but only if he gets stronger. I’d like a Nene and Hill combo, but I’m a dreamer.
by twinkilling0303 on Feb 21, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
probably not likely
Hill is not the kind of instinctual player that can will rotate in on time to block
Give the guy some leeway
He’s in his second year and is changing positions to Center on the fly. He has to add bulk and re-live a Rookie season.
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He'll make it eventually
but he’s not a first or second ballot HOFer is why he didn’t get voted in now.
And please stop calling it the NBA HOF. It’s officially the Basketball HOF, which isn’t a bad thing since so many people outside of the NBA made the game the way it is today.
And Pitino is one of the greatest college coaches ever. He is definitely deserving.
I'd never wear another jersey, but I respect...
I respected Reggie growing up. He was one of the players all of us would talk about during summer basketball camp. He definitely should be (and I’m confident will be) a HOF. He didn’t close out in the Playoffs, but those were tough days with the Bulls pretty much owning that decade and of course a little repeat by our beloved Clutch City.
I would own sneakers from other players. In fact, this post mentioned Kobe. I hate Kobe as a human being, but I love his game. He’s my favorite player today, and I own his kicks. I swear they make me play like I’m a teenager again. Yeah right.
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