Who I would NOT trade
by Nitroberg on Feb 20, 2011 5:19 PM CST
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PrintWe spend most of our time talking about who is trade bait, and how our team can change or prosper. However, there are some guys on this team who I DO NOT want to see traded whatsoever.
1.) Kyle Lowry: Not only has he steered this team pretty well for stretches, he's developed his 3-point jumper and does a better job of getting K-Mart and Scola into the offense than Brooks does. Plus we gave him a very sold 4 year contract and Lowry plays the game nicely. I like Kyle and I hope he's the PG to build on.
2.) Patrick Patterson: I like this kid. Think Luis Scola meets Carl Landry. Ok, maybe not as good as both guys are/were, but he's got the potential to be pretty darn solid out there with this team. Get the Rockets another legit 7'0 center and put PP next to him and you're looking at a pretty solid tandem out there. Or at least with Scola starting Patterson is that 3rd big who helps out in many different ways.
3.) Luis Scola: He is the definition of professionalism. I wish he was 7'0 tall and could be our center, but unfortunately he's only a 6'9 PF on this team. I think he's underrated defensively and capable of carrying a team on the offensive end for stretches. He's the scrappy 4 man that Patterson should hope to become and I sort of expected this kind of breakout. Will he be a 19/8 guy the next 4 years? Probably not, but something around 15-16 ppg and 7-8 rpg would be fantastic.
4.) Courtney Lee: In a different system, he could be Shane Battier 2.0. He's a capable defender and a solid enough offensive player who does well out there. Unless you can get a star to build around for Lee, then DO NOT TRADE him.
5.) Ish Smith: A stretch to say the least, but I like his game. He plays hard, and once he develops a semi-competent jumper I think he could be a Rondo-lite type PG out there. Besides most lists should have 5 guys right?
For the record, I would trade K-Mart (worry about injuries), Budigner/Hill (regression), Battier/Jeffries/Yao (expiring deals), Brooks (bat attitude), Miller (deserves better than this), Hayes (can we invent a growth hormone for him?) and T-Will (haven't seen enough of him yet).
Who are your untouchable Rockets?
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Agree on Ish and Courtney
I’d like to see Ish in a back-up role rather than 3rd string.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
don't think we could trade ish if we wanted to
he’s a decent back-up but unless it was a throwaway to make salaries match, i don’t see anyone going with an undersized guy with no shot to run the bench.
Ummm
Boston,NY,Atlanta,Sac,Detroit for starters. And I imagine Miami wouldn’t mind a PG who could actually run an offense and who makes great passes on the fast break.(After one practice Wade and LeBron would realize Ish isn’t looking to shoot but make the pass and they would kill for chance to give him ball and get it back for hi-light dunks.)
Any team w/shooters would love a PG who doesn’t shoot,so long as he can pass the ball.
most bench units are not really looking for ball-handlers as much as spark plugs
which is why most second-string PGs are capable offensive players from a scoring point of view.
of the teams you mentioned:
boston – nate robinson/delonte west would both play before ish
new york – i guess ish may start over toney douglas
atlanta – jeff teague has looked impressive this year
sacramento – they have far more issues than figuring out a second-string PG, but maybe ish could be worked into a trade for a big man
detroit – isn’t will bynum coming off the bench now? he’d play over ish
miami don’t need any other people on the ball. their PG position right now is out there purely to make up numbers (at least the first unit) and to hit open jumpers here and there. what miami really need is a nice big man and spot up shooters (of which they’ve got a few, now, in eddie house, james jones and mike miller). ish would not be starting (hence playing minutes with lebron, wade, etc.) over chalmers or arroyo.
by sohum on Feb 21, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Of the list
Doc would play Ish at the Point,not West. And he’d prefer Ish over Robinson for offensive continuity w/Rondo.
NY,oh yeah,he’d play Douglass at the 2.
Atlanta is looking for more from Teague and he hasn’t delivered.(We won’t talk finances w/Atl having Smith cheap and being able to trade Teague,but that would be a reality for Atlanta.)
Sac is desperate for a passing PG,even tho their GM loves Brooks.
Detroit is running T-Mac as their offensive PG,w/Bynum off the bench and closing due to 30-minute limit on McGrady. Bynum is pretty polarizing in Detroit,as many feel he’s too much of a shoot-first PG. Overall Detroit’s back-court is a mess,w/Stuckey not being a PG and a FA to boot. So yeah,Detroit would love Ish not so much for this yr(altho the fans would love him),but for the future. Detroit could go into next yr w/Bynum as starter and Ish as back-up.
As to Miami,we’ll have to agree to disagree.To begin with,you were speaking of Ish running a team’s second unit.For that Ish would be perfect in Miami as the second unit of Miller and Jones are shooters who need to be fed and Anthony would love running and getting lobs.Even when Wade or Lebron are with second unit,they would appreciate just having to concentrate on scoring and not running offense or bringing ball up.
After a fairly short period I really do think we’d see Ish running w/Miami’s starters for significant minutes,and I’d think we’d see LeBron in particular loving playing w/Smith.(LeBron running w/someone as fast as him wanting to set up LeBron at rim for fast break dunks…making lob passes on back-door cuts…soon enough we’d see Ish showing up in LeBron’s commercials.)Wade is very adept at going back-door and he too would appreciate Ish’s vision and passing ability. Hi pick-n-rolls w/Bosh would become a staple where Bosh either gets the FT jumper or Ish gets in lane and passes out to Miller,Wade,LeBron,Jones,Ilgauskas.
I’m not saying Ish is the next CP3,but he is a significantly better passing PG than any Miami has and he would get pretty significant minutes there.
I would agree Ish has some pretty significant weaknesses,but he has some pretty strong strengths as well.
You may say agree agree to disagree, but it's more like agreeing to be wrong.
Miami is not looking for anyone to run the offense and have the ball in their hands. “Even when Wade or Lebron are with second unit”: Lebron and Wade NEVER leave the court at the same time, and assuming otherwise destroys your credibility. Take a loko at the last four Heat games:
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20110211&game=MIADET
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20110215&game=MIAIND
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20110216&game=MIATOR
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20110216&game=MIATOR
And on a related note:
There are two types of dominant wings/2-guards: guys who create with the ball (McGrady, Kobe, Jordan, Wade, Lebron) and those who play well off the ball (Reggie Miller, Hamilton, Ray Allen).
So tell me, who’s the best distributor/creator PG in the Ish Smith mold who was successful with any of the first list? Those guys won championships with the likes of Kerr, Fisher, and Jason Williams at PG.
And besides, Ish hasn’t even played enough to convince anyone he belongs on an NBA court. No one looking for the last piece for a championship is taking that risk.
agree with this completely
the only way ish becomes relevant in this picture is if he comes for free with something, at which point he would probably only be held on if there are injury issues in the depth chart.
i mean, he had trouble breaking into the rockets rotation with brooks out for a while, as c.lee played the back-up PG!
i just think you've overrated ish, at least for the moment
three of the teams you’ve mentioned are contenders (boston, atlanta, miami) and one would like to think of itself as a contender (new york). give me an instance where teams who are contenders try to integrate a rookie PG as their floor general heading into the playoff stretch, instead of looking at getting a veteran guy who will be consistent. yes, there is definitely an upside, but you really can’t screw around with your bench come playoff time.
ish has not got near enough PT for teams like those above to take a shot at him, at least this season. sac and detroit, you may have a case. ish has had limited minutes of NBA action and he’s performed decently. his d-league stats are not overly impressive (averaging 3.6 TOs in 32 minutes of action over 8 games). is he someone that you would trust when your starting PG gets into foul trouble in game 7?
so we are still on the brooks bad attitude thing
Kill it already. They man owned up to his actions and you still talk about the negative only. I expect better from you nitroberg.
Anyways my untouchables list is Terrence Williams and that is it. They rest of can kick rocks (including Brooks. I still love him but he can be replaced. Twill is a hrder to replace because his skill set is rare for his size.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Just because someone apologizes doesn't make it 100% ok.
Besides, he’s had an attitude for a while. Not necessarily a bad one, but not a good one.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Feb 20, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
He apologized for some indiscretion
It’s the most he can do, it’s the most any man can do. If you’re expecting him to erect an orphanage/homeless shelter/battered women’s shelter of the “Aaron Brooks Apologizes for One Hot Headed Action Charity” then I think you’re expecting a bit too much. Put the Haterade down and be a man about it. An apology is all you can do in that situation and he did it.
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
he has already admitted to being biased towards brooks
so dont pay mind to any of his comments about him
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
You can't do anything else but apologize.
I just have a hard time looking at him differently other than a hot head.
Everyone assumes T-Will is one because he was in a bad situation in NJ. Fine, but he’s kept his mouth shut here, yet people still criticize him.
I have a bias against AB; You and batman have a bias for him.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Feb 21, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Can we call a spade a spade
and say that all the vagina sand Williams is belching on Twitter is worse than Brooks’s one flash of indiscretion? Let’s face it, Williams has an ongoing gripe on Twitter that makes him look like a pissy middle school girl.
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
Partly.
It’s more of because he’s our most talented player, so I could care less if he’s bitching on twitter. At least he’s not saying it publicly.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Feb 21, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
I can make the same case that batman made for AB's stunt.
Williams is frustrated right now. We traded a first round pick for him, yet we do not play him, not even in garbage time. Even when we have injuries, Adelman would prefer to play guys 40+ minutes so T-Will would not play.
I think anyone would be pissed if they were getting treated like this.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Feb 21, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Ongoing is not equal to one burst
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
that's the key here
I don’t want anyone on this team who sleeps upside down.
Every since he has came down with this Bat attitude..
He has spent less time practices and more time eating Bugs and insects. While its good for our crops, its hardly good for the Rockets. Considering his average life span is only 25-35 yrs. We should just move him now.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
I would be ticked also Batman....
Brooks (bat attitude)
He was comparing Brook´s attitude to yours…man, Nitro just called you and your BAT attitude out
by 4theluvofthegame on Feb 21, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely the last time I forget to proofread my posts before I put them on
Nothing on you Batman. The post was written after grading 500 or so exams, but its not just that…sometimes it takes one negative thing to mess up team chemistry and I worry about AB b/c he can appear a little selfish and his shot is falling sorta.
B^2
Organic Chemist PhD Student by day...Houston sports fan by night!
My Keep List
Lowry or Brooks (Pick one), Hill, Williams, Lee, Patterson.
The rest of them, pack your shit and go. Martin deserves to head to a contender, Scola deserves the same, and God knows Battier might as well be owed that. These guys have seen or are seeing their best years and holding on to them when we need to rebuild would be borderline spiteful just because you like a guy doesn’t mean as armchair GMs we need to spitefully hold on to something that isn’t there.
Ish won’t be going anywhere for the simple fact that if you need to adjust salaries to make them match, I’m sure Ish’s meager salary (NBA Wise) won’t tip the scales in any direction. I’m jonesin’ on seeing a revamped Rockets team after this deadline with youth. I figure if we keep our 5 best youngsters per position we’ll be in a good position to deal, draft, and move forward.
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
Chuck, damnit!!!
A great backup PF who can be had on the cheap???? I hate you guys….
"Life's disappointments are harder to take when you don't know any swear words." ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Feb 20, 2011 8:20 PM CST reply actions
He's not going anywhere
for reasons I’ve explained in other posts. Including him in the “do not trade” is the same as saying that outside of the Rockets anyone gives a shit.
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
I know, man. I was just joking, as I don't see Chuck on anyone's too keep list.
"Life's disappointments are harder to take when you don't know any swear words." ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Feb 20, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Pat Riley
Riley in Miami is a big fan.
I kinda suspect Chuck will have a bigger market as a FA than anyone thinks. The recent success of so many “under-sized” PFs is going to affect team’s thinking. And getting a quality defender,who’s great in locker-room for a modest contract is going to be appealing to more teams than we might imagine. I don’t think anyone will imagine him as a starter-altho paired w/Dwight in Orlando would be interesting-but as a top reserve,yeah,there will be a market for him.
Chuck is perfect for Miami...a cheap D stopper...he is exactly what they need off the bench...
they have all the O they need in Bosh/ LeDouche and Wade
List of people who wont be going anywhere.
Chuck – For the simple reason that you wont get fair value in return.
Lowry – I expect brooks to be gone and it would take something really special for D.M to trade both of his point guards away. Lowry has played well this year post contract, and is certainly proving himself a capable starter. I also think there is more value out there potentially for brooks than lowry.
Patrick Patterson – A rookie who hasn’t played very much yet? Yes he has looked pretty decent in stretches but I dont see him really being a target for any team out there. He might be a filler in somewhere but somehow I dont think so. You just wont get value back. I would trade him because I think his value is high but somehow I think he stays.
Scola – He is a byc player in a trade and that makes it hard to get value back.
Miller – Again I think its just that no one else out there is really going to want him.
Ish – No one wants him.
I think will stay but could be moved -
KMart – I dont see any reason for him to be moved but that he has alot of value. But see he does bring value. Right now I do think he is our franchise player. A terrific number 2 option on a team. And I think D.M really likes him. I think he just stays.
Guys who could be looking for new houses-
Hill – Has played inconsistently. I still think he has potential and we kinda screwed with his whole semi position change.
T-will. – Alot of people like this guy but he just plain flat out isnt playing. With his measurable someone else out there is sure to fall in love with him. Could be a useful throw-in to make a deal work.
Chase budinger – Guy isnt having fun playing ball. Might need a change of scenery.
Jared Jeffries – Big expiring contract and a guy who doesnt play. I dont see us trying to keep him around. Will be of value as expiring contract in trade. Also help to make salaries match for a big trade.
Shane Battier – Expiring contract. Good defensive player. Glue guy. Whats not to like. I liked him coming off the bench but still playing a decent amount of minutes. Get some good defense. Can get involved. Vocal leader. Shut down that 6th man.
Courtney Lee – Lots to like here. But that also makes him attractive to other teams so if we can find something good for him then thats cool.
Yao – May be gone. May not be. We might just let him expire at the end of the season. He retires a career rocket. And cap space could be cool.
I'd trade anyone except T-Will and Chuck.
I’d really like for us to trade Scola. He’s 32, and he’s got no more than 3 years left of good productivity. He has a high trade stock right now, and we can get a really good, young prospect in return. I’m sure a contender would like to have him. Question is…who?
Besides Scola, I’d like for us to trade AB. There’s no chance in hell we are going to re-sign him in the off-season. His stock has gone so far south this year that we may not be able to get that great of a prospect in return. Lowry’s monster game all but solidified his place as the starting PG on this team. AB cannot handle playing off the bench, and he’s not good at it either.
I could care less if we trade Martin. He’s still only 27 or 28, so he’s got plenty of good years ahead of him. As much as I dislike him, I see no reason to move him, unless it’s for Gerald Wallace, Iggy, etc.
The most likely to be traded are Battier, Yao, and Jeffries. All 3 have high expiring contracts, and there are plenty of teams who need expirings. AB and C Lee are also likely to be traded. AB is going to be traded just because of the fact that we aren’t signing him next season. I see Lee being moved for Mayo. Memphis wants a player exactly like Lee, and Morey loves players with high ceilings, like Mayo.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
So it's T-Will's fault that he's not playing......
…..and not Coach Fuckhead’s fault?
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
I think he just means
that it doesn’t make sense to make him an untouchable. Which is understandable. You can’t put him on the list if you don’t know how good he really is. And you’re right in that it’s not T-Will’s fault. I don’t think he’s calling out T-Will or anything like that.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Yes, it's an NBA conspiracy
that since he’s entered the league all the coaches have conspired to ruin his life. The New Jersey Nets trolled the shit out of him by picking him at number 11 and paying him a few million dollars to ridicule him and let his Twitter be the outlet of the people!
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
by BD34 on Feb 21, 2011 7:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where's the evidence saying there's not a conspiracy?
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Feb 21, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
now that question would require a nifty response
even from a lawyer :-)
by 4theluvofthegame on Feb 21, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Criminal standard of proof
is much higher than civil, you’re going to need to show me something beyond a reasonable doubt and moral certainty. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence nor presence, it is not my case to make.
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
Well, there is the nifty response I was looking for
Bro, I knew you were going to saysomething I didn´t understand.
by 4theluvofthegame on Feb 21, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, if you break it apart
it’s easier.
Criminal cases require a higher standard of proof. Conspiracy is a crime. Civil suits (Car accidents, contract breach, etc…) only requires “a preponderance.” Civil suits give you a standard that it has to be more likely than not. Criminal law states you have to make me damn sure of something.
In the case of absence of evidence, etc… that’s just for anyone who debates whether or not there is a God based on tangible evidence.
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
Thanks, ¨I can see clearly now the rain (I mean mud) is gone¨
So when do you want to to debate whether or not there is a God based on tangible evidence? :-)
by 4theluvofthegame on Feb 21, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
That was never my bag
supernatural kind of precludes the whole standard of natural sciences, doesn’t it? I’m gonna go watch me some Ghost Adventures.
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
Take your mind off of the Rox for a second
Chew on this as I think you will find it at least interesting since you seem like an intelligent person (I know this is not the exact forum to discuss this type of stuff so I am only going to challenge your brain for a second).
Natural Sciences are saying this:
The possibilites of creating a single cell by chance combination (even the single smallest living cell known to mankind) would take 10 to the 119,841 power in years. So how long would it take to get to the stage where us humans are now if we go the evolution route?
According to probability scientists, anything with a probability ratio of 10 to the power of 60 TO 1 could never happen (10 to the power of 119,841 much > 10 to the power of 60)
Interesting facts about the earth:
Consider mass and size of earth. If the earth were 10% larger or 10% smaller, life would not be possible. It is the exact distance from sun thus we receive the exact amount of heat and light. No other planet is tilted on its axis like the earth (we have a 23 degree tilt) which keeps the poles from turing to complete ice and the core from getting way to hot for us to live.
Without a moon (including its exact distance from the earth), human life could not survive because there would be no tidal effect from the moon. This affects the food chain immensely which affects human life immensely.
The atmosphere. Enough said as I know you took biology or chemistry or whatever in H.S. and probably college.
The nitrogen cycle that provides for plant growth. Know what helps with that…100,000 lightning strikes to the earth a day!
Ozone layer. It is only really 1/4 inch thick if compressed (so the big scientist say). It blocks out the harmful stuff but lets in the exact amount of bad stuff to kill the green algae which if allowed to grow would affect all the waters of the world…hence it would affect us as well.
I will stop with that and not talk about the makeup of water, or why dust is necessary or etc……
You might think that some type of intelligent life actually came up with this design cause the natural science guys have a hard time believing that even one tiny single cell can come about by chance combination; much less a single planet or single universe etc.
Who would have thunk it?
See that was painless…and I never even said one word using theological phrases!!!! :-)
Peace out!
by 4theluvofthegame on Feb 22, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That was actually a fun read
Rec’d.
In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-
yeah....still doesn't make me believe in any superior power...
sorry man…that fact that we cannot yet explain things doesn’t mean we can’t some time in teh future…..just two years ago we didn’t know of about a million planets we now know of…and many of then could have similar earthlike characteristics
I don’t have to feel special about my place in the universe…as long as I have my place on the special short yellow bus
Consider this
the earth’s destiny is to become that hot because we are getting closer to the sun that the oceans will boil. Guess what happens next, we get sucked into the sun.
the end
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Yes, probably
It probably is TWill’s fault. I don’t know what he did or what he didn’t do but it is probably something related mainly to TWill and not to Adleman. Adleman wants to win games and if he thought TWill would help win then he would play TWill. I think it is more related to quality of TWill’s play than to anything about his “attitude”. That is just my guess.
by Gulder_Roy on Feb 21, 2011 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I clearly do not get the TWill love at all...
no player except Dream and a healthy Yao are untouchable. Everyone else is. Battier, Scola, Martin are my favorite Rockets but they can all go if upgrades are necessary.
But to have blind faith in a guy who was sent to the D league for attitude problems and still hasn’t played much at all seems to be totally unfounded.
At least people are realizing Hill is not going to get it done. Unfortunately Bud too…though I had hopes.
At the end of the day everyone is or can get shipped out. Its just a matter of getting an offer for a better player.
My love for T-Will is his high ceiling.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Feb 21, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
my love for TWill is as high as his "ceiling" is too...
it all depends on how high this guys ceiling is thought to be…about 7 feet…
Actually, its probably 9 or 10
Most ceilings are higher than 7 ft.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
Who to keep
Obviously depends on what other teams offer in return. To me, nobody is on a no-trade list. The last ones I expect to see traded are Lowry and Hayes. I don’t think any other team will offer us fair value for them. Lowry has shown that he can start and do a good job (not great, but good). Hayes is a bargain for what he is paid. He can back up at C or PF and does a pretty good job.
I wouldn’t trade Brooks because of his bad attitude. I’d trade him because we can probably get more for him than he is worth. I feel the same for Martin. To me, they are easy to trade because we can replace them easily (Brooks has already been replaced and Lee is ready to replace Martin).
Lee looks good to me. Twill, I don’t know and I don’t think anybody else knows either. I would lean towards trading him if it nets anything good in return. To date, TWill seems to have come up a dud at two teams. I don’t know why but he is beginning to look like a bust. Hill is sort of the same thing. But those two guys do have youth, size and athletic ability that will make them valuable in a trade.
List of players to keep: Courtney Lee, Terrence Williams (if they can get a coach capable of working through his problems), Ishmael Smith.
List of players to trade: Kevin Martin, Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola.
List of players to cut: Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier
List of players to acquire: Danny Granger, Kendrick Perkins, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Tyrus Thomas.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 21, 2011 11:15 AM CST reply actions
Let me get this straight...
You want to…
1. Keep a possible head-case in TWill
2. Cut our starting and backup point guards
3. Trade our two leading scorers and best free throw shooter
4. Cut our best defender
And you think we can just “acquire” danny granger? Not as many people are as apt to give away their best players as you are. I think you need to reevaluate our talent.
YOU’RE TRADING OR CUTTING OUR ENTIRE STARTING 5!!!
by Greg DeVries on Feb 21, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Production (or opposing production) ALWAYS precedes reputation. Its why Chauncey Billups is still seen as a valuable trading chip despite the fact that he’s having his worst season since 2002.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 21, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody's untouchable
1)This is a barely mediocre team. Nobody’s played well enough to be untradeable.
2)There’s always the chance somebody else is willing to be really stupid.(If Miami offered LeBron for Brooks,Lee,Battier,Scola and Patterson,would Morey say no?Would you?)
3)I’m really pessimistic that we’re going to see a significant trade by Rockets.(So there’s probably a 4 team,15 player deal going to be announced in a few hours :) .)
Not because Morey doesn’t want to improve team,but there’s too many GMs who don’t want to be seen as making a bad trade and the Melo s*** gives them the perfect excuse for not doing anything. Most of the bad teams have purged their bad contracts,or are looking to get Firsts not trade them away. The better teams don’t have young prospects they’re willing to give up. And Cleveland and Toronto are making GMs very wary of trading away their borderline stars(Philly,I’m looking at you).And finally,there are numerous teams w/expiring picks and middling Firsts that are willing to trade like the Rockets,so any team one is talking to,several others are,which causes that team’s GM to think maybe my player is better than I thought,or I should wait for best offer and the deadline passes and no deal is done.
Surprised about all of the Martin trade demands.
I think he’s the type that can still be involved in a rebuilding process, but maybe that’s just me.
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yeah, like makinmajik said
i think the martin demands are more about him being available if the right package comes along, rather than selling to the highest bidder.
I'd rather have us trade Scola.
I could care less about Martin.
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by bone31crusher on Feb 21, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
I would trade Martin
Because
1) He doesn’t play defense very well and the only way Houston can build a competitive team via trades and FAs is to build a strong defensive team. Offensive stars appear to want the big media market teams.
2) Martin is a valuable player and, therefore, somebody who will help us get the defensive-oriented players we need.
3) Having one or two weak defensive players on the court screws the chances of having a strong defensive team unless you can get something super, like Dwight Howard, to play with them and that ain’t gonna happen.
Hanging on to medicore defensive players like Martin means being stuck in teh 40-win seasons, middle-of-the-pack type of team.
You're gonna want to keep
Lee, Lowry, and Patterson. I’m interested to see what TWill has to offer too but I wouldn’t hold onto him just for that.
who are my untouchables?
these are my untouchables on our team. i feel that we shouldn’t be able to trade Kyle Lowry because of what he has done as a starter this season. he showed that he can play a key role as a starter. I really would also like it if we don’t trade Kevin Martin because he is a great shooter and can really handle the ball well. we should also keep Courtney Lee, Shane Battier, Chase Buddinger, Ishmael Smith, and I really do feel we should still keep Yao Ming as a part of our team even though he has been injured. I wouldn’t mind also keeping Chuck Hayes because he really is a good defender. i do feel that we should probably go ahead and trade Brooks, Jeffries, and T Williams so that they can at least find a team where they can get their chances at playing. as for Patrick Patterson, and Jordan Hill they should also be able to stay because they are still young players and can improve on their play. we should however go ahead and probably trade Miller also.
Would you trade Lowry and Scola for this...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4f8pa9t
It would definitely make this team a lot younger. Plus we’d keep some of our established younger players like Patterson and Lee, and we’d keep our core of Hayes, Battier, and Aaron.
And why does Washington or Golden State do the deal?
They get royally fucked. This is why I hate the ESPN Trade Machine.
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untouchables and good trade options
i do not agree that Courtney Lee is untouchable. If we can get a decent center for him(Asik) i’d do it because we can fall back on TWill whom is a great defender and a competent scorer as well.
I really think everyone on this team can be traded since we do not have a direction right now; all role players, no legitment superstar to build upon.
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