Rockets Trade Rumors: Wallace On Houston's Radar?
When Adrian Wojnarowski talks, people listen. And then they start talking as if Moses has just announced the eleventh commandment. In this case, we'll oblige the masses:
Charlotte's active in talks to move Gerald Wallace and/or Stephen Jackson, league execs say. Houston, Portland, others w/ eye on Wallace.
Stephen Jackson won't land in Houston. That might be the only guarantee I can offer as this week rolls along. But Wallace? There's a legitimate possibility, sure. Would I approve of such a trade? Depends.
I think we're all going to be pretty disappointed by the results from this deadline. That doesn't mean that the Rockets will fail to strike any particular sort of deal and move a few assets in order to upgrade the roster. Pending those involved, a trade for Gerald Wallace would certainly improve the Rockets' chances of making the playoffs and would add a much-needed defensive stopper to pair with Courtney Lee or Shane Battier in crunch time, not to mention that we'd finally have a legitimate two-way player outside of Kyle Lowry. These are all good things, at least for those with fair expectations.
Unless a giant whale has been lazily lying upon the best-kept secret in NBA trade deadline history, the Rockets won't be emerging from the deadline with the star player that they've desperately pined for. Wallace does not fit the description of star whatsoever, and by all accounts his career is slowly trending downwards, at least on the offensive end. We might be sick of the clever, low-risk moves -- and we certainly have a right to be, given the fact that most anybody could place us second to Portland in the "Fanbase Whose Patience Has Been Unfairly Tried The Most" rankings -- but this type of trade may be our best option at this point.
What bugs me the most about a potential Wallace trade? Easy: It's the fact that Wallace will turn 30 in a little over a year. Suddenly, trading a young talent in Terrence Williams becomes much tougher, as does trading a fellow youngster in Aaron Brooks. To note, Charlotte probably isn't in the market for a point guard, but Morey has been known to pull a third team into discussions in order to get what he wants. In any case, youth is what the Rockets should be gunning for. The fact that they need a young, plus-talent center (the most coveted position of any in this day and age) puts them in a tough spot, so to give up youngsters for Wallace would certainly put a large dent into this line of thinking.
In Williams' case, I'm not as sold on his star power as some are, but I do think jettisoning him to Charlotte would set a bad precedent and would certainly form a step towards the Houston Astros Philosophy Of Stupidly Trading For Old Guys. We haven't given Williams any sort of chance to prove himself - ideally, I'd like to see what he can really bring to the table.
The only conceivable deal for Wallace that I could envision would be one involving Brooks, so long as the Rockets conclude that they do not wish to re-sign him during the offseason and that Wallace presents the most talent that the team could retrieve in a trade. On the surface, this deal is a little far-fetched given the many obstacles that lie in its way, but from the Rockets' standpoint, it would be the most logical if somehow pulled off.
Lastly, we need to remind ourselves of our special disclaimer: Whenever an above-average talent becomes "available" via reports, the Rockets are going to make an inquiry. Gerald Wallace may or may not be on Houston's radar in actuality, but that won't prevent them from talking with the Bobcats should MJ and Co. make a compelling offer that fits Houston's needs. No harm in talking: that's Houston's philosophy.
NOTE: Thanks to BD34 for reminding me in the comments: Yao would almost certainly going to be involved in a deal for Wallace. As BD notes, they need savings first and foremost. I don't think they'll move Wallace simply for the sake of saving cash -- hence, Brooks' involvement -- but it's chief among their concerns.
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Not sure if it will take young talent to get Wallace
I read a report earlier off of the HoopsHype collections that Charlotte was looking at the TPE from Cleveland as “the best offer available.” They’re in the market for savings because Charlotte is notoriously horrible about supporting an NBA franchise. It very well could be that a proposal similar to the one I had out there a while ago could be brewing (Since you did bring up a three team scenario) wherein we move for Wallace and Dalembert and send out essentially Yao’s expiring contract, Jeffries, Battier, and Brooks.
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Yup, forgot to mention that Yao would definitely be a part of this.
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Is Yao definitely involved?
Could you see a Jeffries, Battier, and Brooks for Wallace and Augustin? Wallace is 2 years younger than Battier and a good defender. His offense could benefit from being in a system like Adelman’s and his rebounding for a small forward is great. I think he can also play the PF if the Rockets go to a small lineup like they have recently. He’s an active player who averages over a block and a steal a game. Augustin hasn’t been quite what they were looking for so far. Maybe it was bc of Larry Brown. He could be a decent backup to run the offense. Brooks is my favorite player, but anyone could play better than how he has been playing recently.
I know trade proposals are a little frowned upon, but I was just curious since Wallace is one of the bigger names the Rockets have been tied to besides Melo.
If we get Augustine too then
Lowry’s days are numbered as well. Augustine, like Ray Felton, was held back by Larry Brown and his Jeff Van Gundy ways. I watched him at Texas and follow him in Charlotte and since Brown’s departure he has been lighting it up. Include Augustine and you got a deal because he will be something. Surely they would want a youngster back as well but giving them Williams is hard. He hasn’t been given a fair chance to showcase his skills yet.
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You could do it w/Jeffries and...
Jeffries and either Brooks or Hill works for Wallace and team would use part of TPE to take back a second player.Throw in cash,and Charlotte saves between $4mil and $7mil depending.(Plus not having Wallace’s contract next yr.)
Esp w/Adelman uncertain for next yr,I just don’t see Rocket’s interest.
Glad that things may be turning the way I thought they had to for us to compete now
I agree that ideally we would get younger for the long term and not take on an expensive player’s K at the age of 30…but we are doing this deal, if we are doing it, to compete now.
I put this in another post but we basically have two options:
Build on Martin and Scola by adding talented vets to win this year or maybe next. That means going the Boston route to a championship in essence.
We screw the future for the present or near present.
Option two is go the OKC route and just stockpile first rounders to see if we can catch lightening in a jar ie: land Westbrook and Durant type players. One in a billion chance.
If the trade is for Brooks and TWill that fine with me. It seems that Brooks cannot willingly play backup PG like Lowry could, and Lowry has been doing a good job at starting. Brooks is up to getting paid big bucks next year, or at least bigger bucks, bucks we will need to spend on other positions to compete now.
As for TWill, ideally who wouldn’t want to give PP, TWill, Hill etc.. all the playing time and development time they could possibly want to see how they can develop, but things dont work like that, and for a guy who was sent to the D League, and was traded for and still hasn’t played, I don’t know why anyone outside of NJ and Houston’s coaching staff would have any idea whatsoever on his actual skills, attitude and value to a team. Morey et al know this and still trade him then he is expendable.
Sorry Batman, if Augistine is just emerging and kicking ass you ride his value up to its peak. He isn’t there yet. I dont see Jordan trading him.
If they can pull that trade off along with Nene I would really like the Rockets chances for now and the near future
Getting Nene to sign an extesion you then have a solid core or starters, as long as your biggest pieces you lose is only Brooks and Battier with bench players and picks.
Nene
Scola
Wallace
Martin
Lowry
Thats a good balanced lineup. If we keep T-Will or Lee, Patterson, Chuck and Ish we would then have a young bench to learn from the starting vets.
Im keeping my fingers crossed with tape until the deadline!
yeah, keeping Lee, Patterson and Chuck would be a great rotation...
We would probably also keep Miller, Ish and maybe do a trade/buyout/resign with Battier…but hopefully for his sake Battier goes to a contender if we don’t resign him
Posted something on this back in November/December
Bobcats have been trying to move Captain Jack and Wallace for a while now. I’d like to see what third team we could rope into a deal for Wallace.
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Damn I just posted a FanPort on this.
I hadn’t checked the front page so I didn’t even see this.
In a nutshell, Charlotte wants to save. My thoughts are Houston gets Wallace and Nazr Mohammed for Yao. They save money, we get a decent wing and a decent C. I would take that.
by basketball is cool on Feb 21, 2011 4:44 PM CST reply actions
If Nazr is a decent C
Wallace is a better than decent F
by twinkilling0303 on Feb 21, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Wallace may just be having a down year
But it’s been less then impressive.
by basketball is cool on Feb 21, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Wallace numbers have been going up the last month.
Few DD’s and better 3pt shooting especially lately.
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DD's?
what double d’s are you speaking of?
by twinkilling0303 on Feb 21, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
DD = 2 of his last 3 games
Last 10 Games 10.2reb 2.9ast 1.4stl 1.0blks 15.8pts.
In saying this coach sleepy will need to give him the mins to perform.
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I gotcha
just making a joke about breasts
by twinkilling0303 on Feb 21, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
I sure he gets them frequently also
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I think they would wants us to take someone like DeSagana Diop instead
They are not gonna just give up Wallace just to save money, they are gonna want to unload bad contracts as well. I can see Battier being in there as well to fill in the spot with an expiring contract. Question is what other players would be involved?
And the Rockets would take a bad contract to get a player they want (enter Jeffries)
Plus Diop is a 7 footer at least, although injured at the momonet. And paying Wallace 2 million more over Battier isnt that bad of a situation either.
I like Wallace,
but his age isn’t very attractive.
The funny thing is that Morey really emphasized that all of our trades are going to help us down the road, not just immediately. Wallace isn’t old, but he’s not young. I’d think he fit it very well with us, but he’s only got 3-5 years left of good productivity. Now, we may be a playoff team in 4 years, but he’ll be 31 or 32.
It’s time for us to rebuild. I don’t understand why Morey would emphasize trading for the future when he’s trying to get Wallace right now.
I’m not going to be surprised when Morey makes a very unpredictable trade happen, like he did last year and the year before that.
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Gotta love the complementation of Wallace with Martin
That is some dynamic wing action
Melo just traded to Knicks?
The BANHAMMER delivers the real justice
That's just turrible
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Bill, Bull and Clyde will be taking their talents to South Texas
Broussard tweeted this
Houston wants Nene bad but sources say Denver unlikely to trade Nene or JR Smith before deadline
by twinkilling0303 on Feb 21, 2011 10:06 PM CST reply actions
Mannix tweet
Rockets working hard to make deals but have nothing close, sources say.
by twinkilling0303 on Feb 21, 2011 10:09 PM CST reply actions
Wallace doesn't have an "old man
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
"old mans game" (fuck this computer)
He doesn’t have a solid jumper or a good post game (he has a post game, just not amazing). His defense is solid though.
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FROM HOOPSWORLD
League sources familiar with Charlotte’s stance, say they want any team taking on Wallace or Jackson to agree to take on Diaw, and the Bobcats are not looking for a lot in return for either player.
The Dallas Mavericks and Houston Rockets have both been talking with Charlotte and have similar offers… Dallas is offering the ending contract of Caron Butler and a couple of younger assets such as rookie Dominique Jones. Where Houston’s trade offer is based on the ending insurance-covered contract of Yao Ming and younger players like Chase Budinger and Courtney Lee.

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