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Rick Adelman has some explaining to do

The Rockets have now played three games since they have excised Shane Battier and Aaron Brooks at the trading deadline and acquired Hasheem Thabeet and Goran Dragic.  The day of the trade, I believe it would be fair to say the general consensus was a mixture of the following reactions:

"Alright!  Now Terrence Williams has to get playing time!"

"A real center!  No more need to start Chuck Hayes!"

"A real backup PG who is tall enough to play actual defense?  Excellent!"

Nearly a week later......... what do we have?

Terrence Williams has played 11 minutes against New Jersey, 7 minutes against New Orleans and a whopping 5 minutes against Portland.  I know it looks like a typo, but I verified it and everything.

Additionally, Chuck Hayes has started all three post-trade deadline games.  Why?  I have no idea.  In a related story, Hasheem Thabeet has played exactly 2, 0 and 0 minutes in the same games, respectively.  Daryl Morey did tell Rick Adelman that he acquired a center for him, right?  Right??

Oh, and I'll forgive Adelman (temporarily) for not giving much playing time to Dragic.  He got a lot of opportunities against New Jersey, then got food poisoning.  Accordingly, it's completely understandable that Kyle Lowry has been playing 40+ minutes every game.  Plus, Lowry has been on fire.  Putting him on the bench at any point in time would be a mistake at the moment.  Sorry, Goran.

Why do I point this out?

Because Rick Adelman needs to either incorporate the new guys or get the hell out of the way.  As of today the Rockets are 31-31, a decidedly mediocre .500 record.  Now, I will readily admit that the team is 10000% more interesting to watch and they have been playing with a lot of heart and emotion.  They've even attempted to play some defense, which is stunning.  That said:  the Rockets are sitting in 11th place in the West.  Even if they do manage to sneak into the 8th spot and get a playoff berth -- is that really a good thing?  Nothing is accomplished by being cannon fodder for the Spurs.  Ask Tracy McGrady:  repeated playoff experience as a big underdog only leads to insane expectations, disappointment and crushing emotional beatdowns.  It's not a habit I want any of these Rockets to become accustomed to.  It's simply not worth it.

Furthermore, I think we can all agree that the writing is on the wall.  Rick Adelman will not be the coach of the Houston Rockets in 2011-2012.  He's either going to retire or not be given a contract extension.  This is what we call a "mutual parting of ways."  So why is he coaching the current team as if he needs to win all of the remaining 20 games?  It makes no sense.  None.

I like you Chuck Hayes, but you are not the future.  You should not be starting at center in any of the remaining games.  It accomplishes nothing for you or the team.

I also like you, Brad Miller.  You're a stand-up guy and a veteran.  But you're also pretty much washed up as an athlete.  For you to get any playing time in lieu of Mr. Thabeet is just a joke.  Miller played 14 minutes against Portland last night.  Jordan Hill?  0.  Thabeet?  0.  This is an equation that is unsolvable until Adelman gets out of the way.  And it does NOTHING for the Rockets' future.  Which is what we need to dedicate the next 20 games to.

Now - this is not to discredit Coach Sleepy.  He's done a fine job for the Rockets the last four years.  He's one of the better coaches in the NBA.  But he also has demonstrated that he is not a fan of playing younger players.  Hell, Patrick Patterson is in full-on beast mode lately....... and Adelman only let him play 7 minutes last night (though I contend that Adelman was being nice to Portland.  No need for PatPat to embarrass Nate's crew.)


This is a long-winded way of getting to my conclusion:  It might be in the Rockets' best interests if Rick Adelman steps down today and lets Jack Sikma or someone else take over for the rest of the year.  Yes, I know the Rockets are on a really nice winning streak... but really, it's a bit late in the season to try to convince me that this team is a championship contender.  They are not.  Consequently, I'm completely on board with Les Alexander and Daryl Morey if they want to admit that the Rockets are in rebuilding mode.  This would be the Michael Corleone approach.  The Sonny Corleone approach would be to keep the status quo, keep playing Chuck Hayes and Brad Miller extended minutes and ignore the future.  It would also be a mistake.

Hasheem Thabeet, Terrence Williams, Patrick Patterson and Goran Dragic MUST be given an opportunity to show the team what they can do over the next 20 games.  Whether Rick Adelman wants to admit it or not, the Rockets are playing for next year already.  They need to start acting like it.

Let them play!

(oh, and bring back JVG!)

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Play Jordan Hill more?

Pffff

No thanks.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Mar 2, 2011 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

I’m less than impressed with Hill. He’s shown me below average effort, fairly poor hands, and a lack of size and strength against good bigs. I’m sure he used to destroy guys in high school and college on talent alone, but those days are over. Start working hard and then we’ll see.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Williams hasn't been impressive

and if he’s playing the same way in practice, I totally understand his lack of minutes. Thabeet is just a tall guy right now, they need to get him a lot of practice just to see what he can do. He’s been playing Bud, Lee and PP a lot of minutes…and it’s paying off. Say what you want about Chuck not being tall enough, but he’s far better than any other option we have. Jordan Hill has been disappointing, he’s not going to get playing time just because we all hope he’ll do well. Coach is playing the guys that have been consistent, and their defense is finally starting to turn around. There’s no reason to play the young guys, just to say he played the young guys…not yet at least. If the team had no chance at the playoffs, then maybe.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

honestly...

Say the Rockets make the playoffs. What good will that do? Why is that even a goal?

If you can’t win the whole thing, you play for the future.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

NJ doesnt get our pick this year

if you’re talking about the TWill trade, again, they get our 2012 lottery protected pick.

by fanoflosingteams on Mar 2, 2011 8:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Tell that to Mr Alexander...

Morey, the coaches, and the players. Ultimately, winning is the goal. So getting into the playoffs is the way to go. If we play the young guys and lose…what good will that do? We’re basically stuck in the bottom 3 picks of the lottery.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

uh, we traded our pick

and “first round matchup with the spurs” is the equivalent of Sonny Corleone getting gunned down at the toll booth. Naked aggression backfires often.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

We traded this years pick?

I’m pretty sure we traded the Nets our 2012 pick, and it’s lottery protected. Adelman is playing the guys that give him the best chance of winning, and it’s been working well lately. With Brooks and Battier gone, more minutes are going to the younger players. Lee, Bud, and PP are just better than Hill, Williams and Thabeet.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

well...

I have no problem with Lee, Bud and PP getting a LOT of playing time.

But playing Brad Miller instead of Hill or Thabeet is beyond stupid.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Hill maybe

But I think Miller has been getting minutes to help Dragic. He’s out there with little understanding of the offense, so Miller helps out a lot with that.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

winning now gives our young guys

Playoff experience, which is key to future playoff success.

Also, Thabeet would be better served by working w/ CD or Sikma, or going to the d-league the rest of the season. Being totally lost on both ends of the floor does not make him grow as a player, it just adds to frustration.

Also, our team defense is beginning to take form, and inserting new guys for the sake of a ‘sink or swim’ approach doesn’t help that.

Also, Hayes is playing VERY well as of late on both ends of the floor.

Bottom line, our extremely young team is beginning to play well and play together, and watching thm lately has been fun, albeit a little irritating at times. I like adelmans current approach a lot bc it’ll yield current and future advantages, especially if we make the playoffs and have to play a well-disciplined team. Shit, look at one matchup between LAL and OKC did for Durant and co. For their confidence AND ability

Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey

by olivarezq1 on Mar 2, 2011 1:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

analogy fail

You seriously are not comparing the Rockets of this year to last year’s Thunder are you?

Durant and Westbrook: legitimate All-NBA studs (even last year)
The Rockets have no such player. All the more reason to let the young guys “sink or swim”.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

All that's gonna do is create a losing atmosphere in the locker room....

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

based on what?

that is pure speculation. Morey drafts professional players, there is no culture of losing and no risk of one if the players know there is a plan in place.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

"keep losing"

By trying to develop young players over 20 games — while also keeping Lowry, Scola, Martin, Budinger and Hayes in the rotation……… how is that automatically instilling a culture of losing in the locker room?

that is ridiculous.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

I think he was referring to the overall team’s mentality and not their respective players. You have to admit OKC has played this season with more swagger than before, and look at how confident our guys are playing after just a five game winning streak.

by andrewwax on Mar 2, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Durant already maxed out swagger

No way Durant could be more confident.
He knew when he was 19 he was a super badass.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

very true

but the rest of those dudes definitely had a swagger intake. Harden, Westbrook (who took it to the NEXT level this season) and so on right? Either way the playoffs are magical, even if short lived.

by andrewwax on Mar 2, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

well

I think Westbrook’s swagger infusion came from the International team games… not from the Laker series.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

beyond stupid is playing a guy a bunch of minutes

before even getting three or four practices under his belt. ESPECIALLY with Thabeet´s background. How about a fresh start with some good coaching and some good practices and then let him get some more minutes. There is no way that Thabeet should be getting minutes right now…there is trying to develope the younger guys and then there is setting them back even further (as if that could be possible for Thabeet). Besides, I think Miller only played like 14 or 15 minutes last night.

by 4theluvofthegame on Mar 2, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

forget 3 or 4

how about at least one practice

by sohum on Mar 2, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously?

How has the lottery gone for teams like Minnesota and Los Angeles? If you play for the future your culture degrades. I’d rather this team try to get to the playoffs. For one, being in the playoffs is more fun than not being in the play offs. Second, what’s the difference between the 14th pick and the 16th pick?

And are you serious, Rockets on a nice little win streak. Savor it instead of whining like you usually do. TMac isn’t here yet you still complain. TDS, DROP GRUNGE DAVE.

by ainsworth on Mar 2, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

you can stop with your petition

TDS can’t drop me. I am its creator. It’s like the Matrix.

And what is gained by losing in round 1? Nothing. I’m not saying we should do anything to move up for a better draft pick – that’s irrelevant. What I’m saying is we need to know NOW what we have in Thabeet, Williams, Hill and other new players.

The Rockets have maybe a few more times to run a full practice until the season is over. So that’s not going to give much info on what Thabeet can do.

We already know Miller is washed up… no purpose in playing him. Give his minutes to Thabeet. This really isn’t rocket science. No pun intended.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Miller Time is over

Agreed about Miller. He seems to be done. Has to be the most unathletic player in the league, or at least challenging for that dubious honor.

People will argue something about him instructing other guys out there on the floor, or providing leadership, or some such, but I’m not buying it. Give us some leadership from the bench and let somebody who can actually jump get on the floor.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

plus

Adelman’s offense IS NOT THAT HARD TO PICK UP!

Rule 1 – don’t stand around
Rule 2 – pass the ball once in a while
Rule 3 – look for the open shot
Rule 4 – don’t pass to Chuck Hayes

easy.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Dave, I hopeyou wrote this post under the influence of drugs..

1) Any coach should teach his team how to WIN. The culture of winning is more important than the short term advantage of losing.

2) Adelman has demonstrated repeatedly that those who perform well in practice (yes, practice) will get time on the floor, and those who don’t perform well, don’t get on the floor. I like that philosophy. Why can’t T-Will earn his time to be on the court? Why can’t Thabeet earn his time? What is wrong with that?

3) Your note about Adelman’s offense is like saying the following:

Playing Basketball is EASY.

Rule 1: Be mindful of rules
Rule 2: Shoot the ball in the basket
Rule 3: Make it difficult for the other team to score

easy..

It took almost two years for this Rockets team to get a hang of what Adelman has been preaching about, and it took about the same # of years for the SacTown team to pick it up as well.

So, take it easy. We all want to see what the new kids can do. But, Thabeet did not even play for the Memphis, and Dragic will play.

by Kari on Mar 2, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

basketball IS easy

It really is.

There hasn’t been much discussion on Dragic because there is no doubt he can play (did you SEE that layup last night?!?!?!)

But the “Thabeet should earn his time” rhetoric is misguided and in most cases ill-informed. Thabeet got buried behind two legit 7’ players in Memphis – Gasol and the kid from Kansas. No shame in that. Now that he’s in Houston, he should get PT. There will only be 4-5 more “practices” the entire year.

Adelman is not going to be the coach next year, so we are beyond the point of him starting a culture of winning here… and the short term advantage of losing CAN trump the immediate joys of winning. This is a prime example of that. Plus, why do you just PRESUME that the winning would stop if Thabeet, Williams and Patterson got more playing time? That’s unnecessarily pessimistic.

In conclusion, I wish I wrote this under the influence of drugs. You got any to share?

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree that your post makes sense if you say that we should make a decision on RA now. if that’s the case, then there’s not much value in trying to get the guys into his system. but trying to learn a new system on the fly with 20 games left is probably not going to make this team optimal.

again, my point in the earlier post is that all these guys know how to play basketball. the real question we try to answer is how well they fit into a given system (especially since these are not HOF caliber players we’re talking about). if we’re going to be changing systems than all we’d be verifying by playing the young guys is seeing how good their chemistry is—which is valuable in one way.

all of it really relies on RA’s situation. if there are longterm plans with him then we should continue. if there aren’t, then he should probably resign since unless he has the confidence of making the playoffs and winning a round with this unit.

by sohum on Mar 2, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree about Miller

But hey, you see what is happening in Libya right now? You are Gaddafi! You will fall!

by ainsworth on Mar 2, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

horrible analogy

Because it means I will kill you all before I go out…

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

So youre the reason gas is going up...

when you get 7 miles to the gallon, this really sucks.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

high gas prices

Good for local economy at least

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Srew your local economy. What about me???!!

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

as Charlie Sheen said

“… what’s that have to do with me?”

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Because I will continue to drive my 7mpg vehicle, deplete your ozone,

and give you skin cancer! HAHAHA!

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Our local economy is a winning economy!

Nobody wants a refinery. Everybody wants gasoline.

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by Xiane on Mar 2, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

A charlie sheen economy?

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Get the Charlie Sheen and ******* nonsense off here, now!

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 3, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Uhh

Because that is the whole reason sports are fun to watch? Two teams COMPETING against each other. If a team is going to tank then they shouldn’t charge ticket prices because that’s not what people pay to see.

by serg303 on Mar 2, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally disagree. With your reasoning the Rockets would never have won a 2nd ring.

Winning how many playoff series on the road in a row to take the title? Who had ever done such a thing? And its never been done again. Not saying this team is in any way comparable, but with your approach the Rockets should have phoned it in the last 1/4 of that season.

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by Xiane on Mar 2, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

Ummmm, you forget that Hakeem AND Clyde were injured for significant parts of that season…. and they slid from the top of the Conference to the 6 seed. Not the reverse.

nice try though.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand why Thabeet is not playing

hell even William have been pretty meh so far whenever he played

But come on! Patrick Patterson deserves way more PT and looks than he’s been getting

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

Unlike Hill and some others, Patterson has shown me a lot in his minutes so far this season. He’s big, strong, shoots a high percentage, plays hard. I like his game. Historically, Adelman has been a bit anti-rookie. But come on, this guy has the skills and the effort / attitude is there. Up those PPat minutes!

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Because bombing the season is just lame...

sry for reals. But really, these rockets are playing well. Hard to say they aren’t when they’ve won 5 in a row playing with the guys they have now. kthxbye

by Gribbs on Mar 2, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

Playing Thabeet now would be tanking the season

He’s just tall. Needs more work with the group. There was a reason why he wasn’t playing in Memphis as well.

by Gribbs on Mar 2, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

And his name’s Marc Gasol. For reals.

by poole on Mar 2, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

True

My point is that it’s not an apples to apples comparison. Memphis is in the playoffs right now and fighting to stay there. They have a legit center and don’t benefit as much from gambling on Thabeet and letting him learn on the floor.

by poole on Mar 2, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Rick is factory set

if he is coaching he will try to win. I don’t like the odds, but we are three games out with twenty left. I don’t think you could get him to operate any other way. Les is also pretty much the same way. I don’t think he would pull the plug on Rick for trying to get into the playoffs. Your argument has logic, but I doubt the guys driving the bus will buy into it.

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Exactly

If this team had a chance at a top pick, I think they would be giving the veterans more rest. But only 3 games out, it’s hard to change the lineups after doing so well lately.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you Dave

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

We can't really just throw them in there without any practise

Especially in Adelman’s system. I don’t trust Thabeet to understand his defensive rotations on the fly. Jordan Hill still doesn’t know where to be on defense and he’s been on the Rockets for over a year.

Patterson definitely needs more playing time.

Dragic will get his minutes, flu + 4 games in 5 nights = give it a bit. I feel like Dragic will be great with the second unit.

Have you watched TWill play Dave? Not impressed so far. He’s gonna need the entire summer to get shit right before Adelman let’s him see PT.

On Adelman, I mean… it’s ADELMAN we’re talking about. He’s only playing these young guys (Bud, Patterson, Dragic, Lee) now cause he has to, cause there’s no one else to play. Definitely won’t be here after this season. I think as long as we have a chance at the playoffs, he’s going to shoot for it.

I know it’s techincally not “tanking”, but if Adelman does decide to retire after this season, you think he wants to go out like that? Doubtful. Very doubtful.

by basketball is cool on Mar 2, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

I see your feelings on this, but what of the idea of earning your minutes?

We can’t give enough minutes to Hill, Patterson, and Thabeet without benching Scola, anyway. So you’ve got to decide who to “give” (a gift of) minutes to, with the outcome that the others feel they’re being treated unfairly because they deserve minutes just as much as the folks that are playing.

Let’s win games. Free agents want to go where they have a chance to win, and finishing the season strong is the best way to convince players we’re moving in the right direction. Nobody is coming here to build a team around Thabeet at this point, no matter how much he develops on the next month. He’s a much longer-term project than that, and no free agent will put their future in that basket. I’d rather follow Oden.

by Metalate on Mar 2, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

I agree on earning minutes

Especially with TWILL. He’s been given an opportunity to see what he can do, but when he sucks as much as he has, he’s pulled after 10 minutes of play, and I’m ok with that. He completely stalls the half court offense. Until he can go out there and give 10 solid minutes, I don’t think his minutes should increase. On the other side though, I don’t think his minutes should decrease either. You just can’t play the guy a ton of minutes when he looks as lost as he does. Thabeet is probbaly the same way. I felt like he should have gotten a couple minutes at the end of last night’s game, especially when Collins and Babbit came in.

by jroberts5 on Mar 2, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yikes

Only place you’re following Oden is to the trainer’s room.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Using yikes brings back some very bad memories for me. Ok thx?

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 3, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes! I'm cravin me some playoffs. Even if we get swept, I'll be glad we made it.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

We were 2 FTs away from beating the Spurs in SA

Dream (Shake) Big!

"Chelsea 2, Man United 1 YOU BLUE IT, FERGIE" - The Sun headline

by RocketsAstros on Mar 2, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, once your in the playoffs theres always a chance.

And wow only two recs to green?

A void? I see no void!

by gunsbound on Mar 2, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

“Alright! Now Terrence Williams has to get playing time!”
“A real center! No more need to start Chuck Hayes!”
“A real backup PG who is tall enough to play actual defense? Excellent!”
I must not be part of the general consensus, because I don’t think I felt any of those things. Perhaps a bit of the last one, but that’s it.

by Metalate on Mar 2, 2011 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed

Anyone who thought that Thabeet would be starting right away is delusional. Hayes is a MUCH better player in every aspect of the game other than shotblocking (but Hayes is still a superior defender).

by panda8six on Mar 2, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Thabeet is much closer to being called a bust rather than a “real center”.

"Chelsea 2, Man United 1 YOU BLUE IT, FERGIE" - The Sun headline

by RocketsAstros on Mar 2, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm reserving judgment on Thabeet until I've seen 30-40 games with him next year.

After an off season and pre-season with the team.

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by Xiane on Mar 2, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice.

I was sort of thinking that as much as I like Brooks, his play this year made it pretty tough not to knowledge some of the criticism. He definitely hurt the team a times.

And I would also think that the team’s play this week would have made it pretty tough to criticize the coaching. You really want to pull Chuck, who was shutting down one of the hottest post players in the league, or Scola, who was 10-for-11, so the the Blazers can run circles around Hasheem Thabeet?

If trolling has made its way to front-page posts, who knows where this thing is headed. :)

by Metalate on Mar 2, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

reading comprehension fail

Who the fuck said anything about pulling Chuck or Scola completely?

I’m not saying our starting lineup should be all the young guys… but to not give Thabeet and the others 10-15+ minutes a game is a real disservice to the future.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

What if the Rockets actually made the playoffs?

You think getting some playoff experience would help Bud, T Will, PP and the rest of the team? And I’m talking playoff experience with this group…without Yao, Ron and T Mac. The only way not making the playoffs is a good thing is if we have a real shot at a top pick. Right now, they have to do everything they can to win.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't mean "pull" Chuck generally

I meant that I wouldn’t have played Shuck or Scola for a minute less than they got given the particulars of last night.

by Metalate on Mar 2, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with that.

I said when the trades were made that they didn’t really change our playoff chances much. I’m not sure playing those guys more would change the odds that much either. I’m not sure its either/or.

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by Xiane on Mar 2, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

quick response

Yes, the last two wins have been AWESOME.

But no one remembers who finished in 8th place. It’s not a legit goal.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

So you suggest

that everyone outside Boston, Miami, LA, San Antonio and Dallas sould not even be trying?

Or that if Houston makes the playoffs, eleminates the Spurs and loses in the 2nd round that would be bad?

"Chelsea 2, Man United 1 YOU BLUE IT, FERGIE" - The Sun headline

by RocketsAstros on Mar 2, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

there are 10 teams that have a legit shot

And yes, everyone else should be gearing up for next year.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha

What about my 2nd question? Would you not be satisfied with a 2nd round loss? Or even a Conference final loss?

"Chelsea 2, Man United 1 YOU BLUE IT, FERGIE" - The Sun headline

by RocketsAstros on Mar 2, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

2nd round?

LOL at the Rockets actually having a shot against the Spurs

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Not as funny as wanting to play Thabeet 10 -15 minutes a game

As someone already mentioned, nobody was thinking about those 3 points at the top of your post

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

After taking LA to 7 without Yao or TMac, I'm not saying the Rockets can't win any series.

Except probably one against Orlando this season. It’s all about matchups and I think we probably match SA better than Dallas or LA. If we can get time for the new guys and make the playoffs, what’s the downside there?

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by Xiane on Mar 2, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Are there no playoff incentives?

you know, money wise for Owner and Players?

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

WHAT??

Are you serious with this article?? You honestly expected Thabeet to get any kind of significant playing time right after the trade? This is funny. Chuck Hayes will start the rest of the season, and next season unless we get another big man. Thabeet is a major work in progress and won’t be fit to start on an NBA team for a while, if ever.

We are winning games and still hope to make the playoffs……we sit 4.5 games behind Denver (the 5th seed). You need to reanalyze your opinions.

by sajmcintosh on Mar 2, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

lol the team is showing heart , playing with fire and dave basically wants to bench them them and take their fire away. Oh yeah thats definitely not got burn them later . I mean who needs heart and fire when playing in the playoffs .

by markyman24 on Mar 2, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, another good point

You want to play Chuck Hayes and provide an example of the level of professionalism, intensity, and drive needed to earn minutes at this level, or do you want to coddle the youngsters and convince them that they will always have minutes because they have “potential”. An insufficient ego is not TWill’s problem.

by Metalate on Mar 2, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

As Herm Edwards would say...

“You Play To Win The Game!” Rockets are on a hot streak. Why are we complaining?

by HalosfanTX on Mar 2, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

Flagged

I said that in another post and you come here and steal it like I wouldn’t notice.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

It seems more and more likely that a lockout will happen...

I don’t want the last games the Rockets play this season to be losses to scrub teams. It’ll be over a year before they play again… It’s just a bad way to go I think.

by Kruz on Mar 2, 2011 12:53 PM CST reply actions  

Dave man...

The Rockets are a classy team, always play hard, always play competitively, and most importantly always play to win. You want don’t want to create a losing mentality in some of these young guys, just so Hasheem, T-Will, and Hill can get more PT. Rick is a winner and he will do what he needs to win, and you can’t criticize someone for wanting to do that. Work these new guys in the summer, give em some time and lets see where they are next year.

by Richard Sun on Mar 2, 2011 1:28 PM CST reply actions  

Anyone who watches the games and says Chuck shouldn't start doesn't know basketball

Seriously. You think we should bench chuck to play Thabeet and Jordan? Are you serious? I sure as hell hope not. Chuckwagon is the embodiment of everything I love about this team. And you want to sit him to play trash. This team is currently on a 5 game winning streak and is coming off of its best 2 game stretch of the season and you write this post? It really seems you don’t watch the games otherwise I cannot figure how you would say the things you do. As someone said earlier in the comments we are 4.5 games out of the 5 seed and Chuck is a huge reason for this.

T-Will will get playing time as he shows he deserves it. Otherwise why not just quit bitching and enjoy the fact that we are finally playing good ball?

Also, we WILL NOT get swept in the 1st round if we find a way to get there.

We have every thing to play for and we should continue to do whatever we can to make the playoffs and that means playing Chuck a lot.

by clutchcity on Mar 2, 2011 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

okay...

If Chuck is so good why did it take a 5 game winning streak to get us to 31-31?

the Rockets are mediocre overall. And the 8th seed is a wasted goal. I’m not saying that Hayes, Scola and Martin have no place, but to give a string of DNP-CDs to Thabeet, Williams and Hill does nothing for the future. And like it or not, we’re playing for the future.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

In an ideal world Chuck wouldn't have to start at center

But this isn’t the case. Chuck gives us our best chance of winning BY FAR when compared to what else we have on the rockets. He just does. And we need to and are trying to win. So, we play chuck. That’s all there is to it. I don’t feel like breaking down the ways in which Chuck is good to you. They are very apparent to me but I guess because he is short and doesn’t score a ton he gets overlooked by others.

Long story short, we are trying to win NOW and Chuck gives us our best chance of that. By a lot.

by clutchcity on Mar 2, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Did you watch the games when Chuck was out? I am positive we would have beaten Portland at least one more time if Chuck could have played. You really want to start Jordan again? Or Thabeet? Yuck. I just threw up in my mouth. I’m all for them getting minutes over Fat Statue Miller but not Chuck.

by clutchcity on Mar 2, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t see how anybody couldn’t love Chuck Hayes. The guy is giving up 6" and 75 lbs most nights and still mixes it up like crazy. Tough defense, rebounding, even throws in a bit of offense every now and again. But most of all effort. In my mind, he’s the hardest working guy on a hard working team. I love what he has done this year.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You guys givin Chuck love makes me happy...

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Stoudamire

Watching the Wagon strip the ball from Stoudamire again and again was awesome. Guy reads the scouting reports!

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Who?

Damon Stoudamire retired a while ago……..

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Stoudemire is it. Good catch.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting article but don't agree

I enjoyed reading it, but I just don’t agree, for a few few reasons:
- minutes don’t equal talent – you could put me in there and play me 35 a night, but I won’t turn into Kobe. I just won’t.
- draft is unreliable – I don’t believe in playing for the lottery. Too much risk. Look how many lottery guys we have on our team that never “worked out” or became superstars.
- free agency – These days in the NBA, teams seem too be using free agency as the primary tool for improvement. Knicks, Miami, Bulls, on and on. You have to be decent to attract a big name free agent.

Based on that, I hope we keep pushing hard. I think getting into the playoffs as a low seed would be much better than missing out. Especially since Rockets are playing well at the moment and could conceivably get a win or two.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 1:50 PM CST reply actions  

Let's bring up the d league players

let them sink or swim. They are the future

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 1:51 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

hey, guess what

Being a useless dick will get you banned.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

He isn't being a useless dick

He is taking your very shaky argument and extending it further. Nothing useless or dickish about it.

by clutchcity on Mar 2, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

But calling someone that won't get you banned?

No need to use that kind of language man. I was discussing your post.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

look

Discuss the post all you want – you’ve clearly made your point above. There’s no need to take a ridiculous extrapolation of a legitimate thought just to insult me.

Being a sarcastic prick will get you banned. Them’s the rules.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Like every person on this blog is a sarcastic prick...

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

nuh uh...

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

splitting hairs

If you are a sarcastic prick that’s actually funny? That’s what I call “contributing” and I welcome such comments! But being a sarcastic prick just because you aren’t eloquent enough to express disagreement? Well… that person can GTFO.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

It was just a small joke. We know what you mean, and it was just a little aside.

We all do it. And being eloquent is a skill that unfortunatly some of us naturally lack. Some guys are born great basketball players, some shitty. Some great speakers, some shitty. I am shitty when it comes to eloquentness.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

My point is that if you are going to be all butthurt because I disagree with you, it’s not in your best options to resort to sarcastic and shallow comments. Because I don’t need to waste time communicating with such people. Beyond that, I am fluent in sarcasm. When used for the proper effect.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think any of us are butthurt. I disagree with your post, but that's cool.

I rarely agree with the majority of guys on here, but I come here multiple times daily because this blog always has interesting characters and all kinds of different views on things. I know that you would like to keep the English standards on here to a high quality, but from personal experience, English sucks. I have been speaking it for twenty years now, yet I still cannot grasp beyond the very basic level of it. So just understand most of our little remarks that seem stupid or pointless werent, they just come across like it at times.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

subject line

I thought the comment was pretty funny considering the context. No reason to let your ego get the best of you

by mefirst on Mar 2, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

And calling me that or using that language towards me

will get you banned. Everyone is sarcastic on here, lighten up.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

uh oh....

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

just curious

do Tom or Lee have the ability to ban you? Is it even possible?

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

haha

I didn’t think so

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh really fool

/Billy Madison

Technically I’m the only one that can’t get banned without sbnation IT doing it…

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by UofTOrange on Mar 2, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not the one who used that language

and made a personal attack. It was a sarcastic remark, nothing else. If you want respect and to talk about your post, don’t treat the others who post on here like that. I respect your opinion, even though I disagree. If you are offended by what I said, I do apologize. It’s just a light hearted remark, nothing else.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

see above

I understand what you are trying to say. The problem is that tone is often not translated in writing – and you look like a dick when you write things like that. And I do not take kindly to that.

I encourage people to disagree. I do NOT encourage people to resort to backhanded comments and useless sarcasm as a means for retort, however.

Anyway… I apologize as well to the extent this is blown out of proportion.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

ha!

If I banned everyone who disagreed with me, I’d be talking to myself here (because Lee has disappeared!)

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You totally threatened him with banishment. An enduring staple of Big Bad Brad. Haha.

by MadMartygan on Mar 2, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

it's been building for a while

Plus, BBB doesn’t threaten… he just bans.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

We could recruit some Maine Red Claws

Crab People are the future.

All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.

by hornedfrogrocket on Mar 2, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You have some explaining to do

for writing such a poor article. We are 3-0 after the trade. Adleman said himself “why play Thabeet if they haven’t been”.
Chuck shut down Aldridge. There’s no reason to go on. This is just a real bad read, that wasted my time between class.

by SpaceCityFan on Mar 2, 2011 1:51 PM CST reply actions  

Silly comment

If that’s what he said, I think Adelman’s comment was ridiculous. Not that we should be playing Thabeet, I don’t think he’s ready yet. But to not play him because they don’t is just dumb. I dunno Rick, maybe because they have a pretty good seven footer in front of Thabeet whereas you start a 6’5" guy???

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

did you even read it?

The very point of the article is that we could win the next 20 in a row and it still won’t matter because WE ARE NOT WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR no matter how much effort Chuck Hayes exerts.

My philosophy is you play to win it all or you rebuild. If you’re not first, you’re last. /Ricky Bobby

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

don't think RA said tha

his comment was more along the lines of “i have no idea what he can do because they haven’t been playing him”

by sohum on Mar 2, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

what???

Have you seen Thabeet play? He is not good enough to be an NBA player. He is a back-up on a D-League at best right now. Needs major development before he can touch the court

by milesperhour27 on Mar 2, 2011 1:52 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with this

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

no

And neither have you. Thabeet has played about a total of 200 minutes in the NBA. Most of them in 2 minute bursts. That’s the very definition of a “small sample size”.

We have NO IDEA if he’s any good.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

DAVE

You clearly don’t understand basketball. Please refrain from writing on this site. Comments? Maybe, but let’s leave it at that.

by SpaceCityFan on Mar 2, 2011 1:53 PM CST reply actions  

bad news for ya

It’s my blog. I am not going anywhere… you, however…. well…

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

wait for it...

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

wait...?

All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.

by hornedfrogrocket on Mar 2, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Suspense....

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Put that down.

You don’t know where it’s been.

All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.

by hornedfrogrocket on Mar 2, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you really ban people?

I’ve been curious about this, if you ban someone do you ban them from the post, the blog, or is it just a sarcastic comment? If you ban people for saying something like what NMainguyHou said…. Wow……

by patrickln on Mar 2, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

ummmm

When someone directly suggests that the creator and lead author of the site doesn’t know anything about basketball and shouldn’t write anymore (without giving any reasons or analysis other than “I disagree”)… yeah, that’s grounds for a banning. We don’t need that shit around here.

This place is for discussion about basketball. Not a witchhunt when someone gets butthurt that someone else said something on the Internet that they disagree with.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It's your site, do what you please

If a person was banned every time they personally attacked someone on this site, there wouldn’t be many people contributing.

by patrickln on Mar 2, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

did you even read what I just wrote?

Attacks are not something I encourage or approve of – it happens though; it’s the Internet.

What is NOT allowed is a constant stream of “you should quit”; “you should never write for this site again”; “How did the Dream Shake hire you to write?”; etc. etc. – there’s no place for that here.

by grungedave on Mar 3, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about this Dave

I just don’t get the vibe that any of those guys are going to become stars or anything. Sure Dragic and Williams could one day become starters, and it’s possible for Thabeet to become a serviceable big man. I know nothing about Carroll, so I am ignoring him.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 1:58 PM CST reply actions  

I'm ignoring Carroll too - he's roster fodder

I never said ANYTHING about these guys becoming stars. But we gotta find out what we have here. Letting them rot on the bench does nothing. And the team doesn’t practice enough on off days for Adelman/Morey or anyone to get a handle on what they can do.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

that's fair

and I get you, but are 20 games enough of a sample size to see how good Thabeet is? It’s better than 200 minutes certainly, but is it enough? Remember that after next year we have the team option, so it makes sense to let him exclusively work out with Sikma now and in the offseason and have the chance to make an impact from the start next season with a complete understanding of the offense.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

D-League?

I guess it makes sense that Memphis sent him down for a stretch. Like you say, you want to get a real idea for what he’s got, but you don’t want to do it at the expense of your team in a regular season game(s). If they did it, we could too, right? Evaluate strengths and weaknesses and get a good plan ready for the offseason.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Dear everyone

If you disagree with the premise of this article… that’s fine.

If you don’t like reading things that might not be 100% in agreeance with what the Comicle spits out… I suggest you leave immediately.

What I write here is rarely, if ever, in line with “traditional thought” – because mainstream thinking only leads to mediocrity. No one stands out by agreeing with preconceived notions. Plus it’s boring.

But if you are going to disagree… have reasons. Thoughts. Rationale. To just say “you’re stupid, they won five in a row! They could make the playoffs!” makes you look shortsighted and ignorant. Just sayin’.

moving along…

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:05 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

nontraditional thought

I see what you are saying – when building your team’s plan for future success, you need to march to thabeet of a different drummer. Makes sense to me.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

:)

Well, I knew it had to end some time. For the several years I have been following and occasionally posting here, I think I have always agreed with your posts. Not always in entirety but at least in principle. (It was the unrelenting, unrepentant Jazz hate that first hooked me.)

This time, however, I just can’t sign on. I agree on the Patterson point. However, his foul issues seem to be contributing to that one as well.

Personally, TWill does not seem to be doing very much with the time he is already getting so I don’t know that he should be rewarded with more time. Particularly when his time comes at the expense of Bud and CLee or maybe Lowry. They are pretty young too, at least Bud and Lee.

I think throwing Thabeet into a sink or swim situation right now just sets him up to fail. Giving him time and coaching and a chance to succeed seems the better long term play for the team and Thabeet.

But, all is not lost in the agreement realm. I too would not mind seeing JVG make a return engagement.

by svspider on Mar 2, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ya'll have gotta stop having such an engaging argument here..

I’ve got a Phys test at 7, but I’m concentrating way too much on this blog.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

You too?

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair

It’s just most fans are pretty pumped about seeing our beat quality teams on the road, and showing some type fluid rotation.

With out Shaine it makes RA’s job much easier, without having to deal with so many guards deserving playing time. I agree Williams need more playing time, but every time he enters the game our offense runs to a hault, and he settles for mid range fade aways. Courtney Lee has proved he’s capable of flowing with the team.

If Jordan hill isn’t even getting PT, don’t expect Thabeet to get any.
http://rockets.clutchfans.net/1468/rick-adelman-hasheem-thabeet/

by SpaceCityFan on Mar 2, 2011 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

AGH! Clutchfans!

Kill it!

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Um...

Words from RA’s mouth are pretty convincing to me,

by SpaceCityFan on Mar 2, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a joke dude. We just "dislike" Clutchfans

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

reason?

I’m new, fill me in.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Way too spastic..knee-jerk types.

Not very reasonable. Although that sounds a bit like us lately. Does the oh-so-eloquent grungedave wanna finish answering this question with many words of great magnitude?

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

To make a long story short

They really say some stupid shit over there.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Them: idiots

Us: slightly less idiotic. Most of the time.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Some of the time

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha

So you’re either with TDS or Clutchfans? Any mutinous types who participate on both sides?

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

To that, I have no idea...

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

not necessarily

There are cool people on Clutchfans.

But overall that was a group of people who disliked Morey for not being able to trade Yao for LeBron straight-up. And were serious about it. So we make fun of them generally.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Embarrassing

Wow. Looking back, if I had seriously proposed that deal, I would be so embarrassed. My face would have turned thabeet red.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Idk if I could be a Rockets fan if we had Lebron. He irks me that much

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Who needs him

LeBron who? We got Brad Miller, baby.

Take it to the hole, Brad! And 1, son. Below the rim style.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

to add to the CF discussion

there are some that are okay, like Dave (the creator) and they have a capologist (BimaThug) who knows what he’s talking about.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Could this be our Dave? But like his bi-polar side?

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Like a blog full of Gulder_Roys

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Where am I?

I feel like I’m talking to my Spurs/Mavs fans here at school.

I agree about the playing time, without a doubt, but not while the team is meshing well.

by SpaceCityFan on Mar 2, 2011 2:18 PM CST reply actions  

hey

If this were December, “meshing” would be all the more reason to go full steam ahead.

But it’s March. And we’re not really in the championship race. So let’s put ourselves in the best position to win for next year. Because being Spurs cannon fodder in round 1 certainly is NOT the “best way” to improve.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

done

Though if you keep up your wasted attempt to get me to leave the blog, it will be the last time you comment.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm of the belief that you don't ever

Just let young guys because “Oh, they might be something for whatever reason.” Playing time is something that is earned, not given. So until Thabeet shows that he can contribute anything at all in practices and until T-Will can show that he will stop acting like Ariza on offense, there’s no reason to reward them for their poor play. I have never been part of the Free T-Will crowd, and well, that crowd looks a lot smaller these days.

The only reason you might possibly do that is if you’re after a legit pick, and for me, at this point, it’s too late. There’s no real difference between the 14th and 16th pick, and I want to see this team know that they really did try to the very end and get playoff experience.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Mar 2, 2011 2:34 PM CST reply actions  

fair enough on Williams

but Thabeet need “game time” to actually get adjusted to the speed and flow – these are not things that can be learned in practice. Furthermore, the Rockets might have maybe 4-5 more practices the entire season! So it’s best we put him out there for at least 10 minutes a game.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He certainly will need one practice at least

He’s an unknown to us all, including Adelman. Williams he’s seen, Dragic played enough to have films, What do anybody really know about Hasheem except that he’s tall

The 2 minute he played he looks like a mess too, You cant play a guy when you have no idea what he’s capable of at all

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

that's valid

But I posit that just having a dude who is 7’3" and can jump a bit on the court can’t hurt… is he as savvy as Chuck Hayes? NO – but I have more of a basketball IQ than Amare Stoudemire (who doesn’t?) and yet I’d still rather have Amare on the court than me.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

But if we were playing the Jazz, I would at least play you until you fouled out…with 6 Jazz worthy thugfest fouls.

by svspider on Mar 2, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

What we seem to be missing

is the fact that a lot of decisions that will effect this team for years will have to be made very soon. Let’s take the option on Thabeet’s contract as an example. We can tie him up for another year, but at a pretty hefty sum. Is he worth it, how do you tell without real minutes?
Do we try to move Brad Miller? Kind of depends on what the verdict is on Thabeet and Hill, again hard to say without legit PT for both. Rick is gone when the season is over most likely, after that what does he care. Can’t say as I blame him much at that. But we are stuck with this team, and what they look like next year is tied to the decisions we make after the season. Good decisions require good data, good data requires a large enough sample to be accurate.

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

professionals

Well, these guys are supposed to be professional talent evaluators. I don’t necessarily see that lots of game minutes are required to figure out if a guy has something or not. They’re seeing him in practice, they’re around him every day – in my opinion, they should be able to accurately gauge his upside. If not, then a trip to the D-League will shed some light. But I am never for using a regular season NBA game as a tryout for next year.

If he never plays for us, must be for a reason. Based on that, I would not want to bring him back for another year, especially at a hefty sum. The Blazers just signed Jaron Collins out of nowhere. Maybe I’m nuts, but I’d prefer Collins to Thabeet! That tells me that guys are out there, why hold onto a guy just because he is tall when you could look around and bring in a guy who might actually play.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

practice?

What practice? The Rockets do not hold nearly as many full practices as you think.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

Especially during the stretch since the trades. But eventually they’ll get some practice time in. And if that’s not enough, D-League, right? Seemed to help them evaluate Ish.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

No time to waste!

Better get him moving then. :)

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Next year, I guess

but I really think an offseason with the coaching staff could help him. I wonder if any of the Memphis coaches had the ability to teach him, a la Sikma. I went through the names, but I don’t know any of them beside Damon Stoudamire, and he definitely doesn’t know how a big man plays.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

sad face indeed

What’s the outlook at the moment? I sure would hate to see it. Wonder how bad it would hurt the league? The average American just can’t relate to billionaires arguing with millionaires over money.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

it's just as likely as the NFL lockout

owners want smaller max contracts and they want out when they screw up (Eddy Curry). Players want nothing to change. And honestly, why would they? They get paid a ton of money, don’t have to play well, and they can team up with their friends and create superteams that everyone wants to join without penalty.

The NBA wants to even the playing field for the small market teams, and that appears to be more important than previously thought.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

the players are not millionaires

After management, agent, PR, security, entourage, “making it rain” and not to mention state and local taxes…….

most of the players are broke as shit.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

Well, maybe so, but I can’t exactly support higher ticket prices so these guys can “make it rain” more effectively. They may have to settle for a spring shower rather than a monsoon.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

hey

I’m just saying that the players are usually uneducated and broke by 30… if they want more money, I am always going to side with them instead of an owner.

Athletes deserve EVERY penny they get. I mean, look at the shit we give them here. No one is sitting around talking about how bad I do my job in contrast. Being an athlete is not the easy life.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

different view

I wouldn’t side with the owners, I agree with that. I choose to side with the FANS. I would be all for lower caps if the savings were passed on to the fans. The problem is, at the end of the day, we, the public, will bear the brunt of any CBA decisions via higher ticket prices and 18 dollar beers. That’s what I find irritating.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

right

the sad part is that the fans have no say in any of this.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

hmmmm

I dunno Dave. I play basketball whenever I can, and heck, I even pay to play.

I can’t imagine how sweet it would be to be paid millions to play ever day, get even more money to wear somebody’s shoes, be famous, see myself on sportscenter, stay in great shape, date celebrities, drink for free, live in my mansion, etc. Hard for me to feel sorry for them!

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

easy

No privacy.
Can’t eat out in public places.
Most of your money goes to manager, agent, taxes, child support.
50+% of the people think you suck.
95% of the fans in the league dislike you personally (or your team)

Sure there are definite benefits… but you pay dearly for them. Money isn’t everything.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

solid

Agreed. Definitely some pros and cons.

But if you make smart decisions and have think skin, you’re set for life after playing a game for ten years. I sure wouldn’t turn it down. Haha, unfortunately, I seem to be missing the key element: mad game.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You're set for life IF you play 10 years

Think of all the folks on rookie deals (that can extend for 4 years). If you weren’t a lottery pick, none of those guys are set for life. And they’ve all given up other career options, including college degrees in many cases. And you’re always one injury away from losing everything.

What are the job prospects of a nameless, high-school educated journeyman NBA retiree?

by Metalate on Mar 2, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe referee?

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe, but it’s probably even harder to be an NBA referee than a player. There are fewer of them, and you can’t have a huge leg up on the competition because you happen to be 6-10.

by Metalate on Mar 2, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

unless they did the Stanford business thing

Nothing.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

solid

I agree with what you’re saying. And I don’t claim to understand all of the nuances of the CBA, but I tend to think that the owners are worried about max-type guys (bulk of the money, the need to keep them on your team) more than the rookies or the mid / low level players. Seems that those guys kind of get caught up in the wash.

The injury issue would definitely freak me out. Amazing to think that one bad play could end it all. But then again, NBA dollars are guaranteed, right?

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Feeling better

already. Here I am in total agreement with you again.

by svspider on Mar 2, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

but seriously

The ones who the changes would effect are millionaires. I’m sure owners don’t have a problem in the world with the 400K/year guys. It’s the max guys that are eating up the dollars and changing the way the league works via their buddy deals.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

If that was the case

there would be very few trades made. If you know the guy can play, why trade him?

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

tons of reasons

Because he has value and you have needs at other positions.

Because of money.

Because of expiring contracts.

Because he doesn’t want to play for you anymore (i.e. Melo).

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

miller is connected to adelman, imo

if RA moves on then we probably try to trade miller back to chi-town or keep him way down the bench

by sohum on Mar 2, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

This post

has been more hated on than my “Rockets=Cowboys” piece (which has been proven correct, especially if the Rockets make a coaching change too). I never thought that one could usurped.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

nah

NOTHING will top my “Pippen/Malone” HOF post from July.

that had epic amounts of hate.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

LMAO!!!!

rec’d for funnyism

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

because it's like talking to a wall, ainsworth

You lack the capacity to learn or understand high-level thought.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Long Time Reader, First time poster

What if (current squad*playoff experience) + healthy yao ming = championship contender?
Is my math flawed?

by RealFansReadRed94 on Mar 2, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

Welcome to the posting experience

no, your math isn’t flawed. But Yao’s never going to be healthy. And one round of the playoffs isn’t enough true playoff experience for this team. It’s why I don’t think the Thunder get past the second round, if that.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

love the formula

But Yao ain’t walking through that door.

If anything he’ll limp/crawl through that door.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a low blow

Even to Yao.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

technically

Is it possible to give a “high” blow to Yao? He’s fuckin’ taller than everyone!

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

healthy yao ming is an imaginary number

thus throwing the whole equation into a frenzy

by sohum on Mar 2, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

math humor

Love me some intelligent humor. If you can put that in equation form and solve for playoff experience required in terms of i, I will be well impressed.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

team/i is an indefinate solution.

there is no i in team. As such you cannot divide by i.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

undefined?

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

You cannot divide by zero. It's an indefinate solution bc 0 does not exist in anything

Same with trying to divide by i.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

sure it does

0 exists. Look at Thabeet’s game.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You do have a point...

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

i'll take a gander

squad = q
playoff experience = x
healthy yao ming = i (sqrt of -1)
championship contender = y

proposed equation:

y = qx + i
i = y – qx
-1 = (y-qx)^2

this means that if you take a championship contender and subtract the rockets team’s playoff experience and compound it, you get something worse than nothing.

which is why it was so key for the lakers to pick up ron artest and the celtics to pick up von wafer.

by sohum on Mar 2, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Higher math=

I have to get a lot higher to even try to understand it!

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

technically if you spread out the squared component you get (y^2-2qxy+qx^2)

So that technically means Yao Ming squared minus twice the power of a Ya-Ming Powered squad’s playoff experience plus a normal squad’s playoff experiance squared will get you less than nothing…

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

shouldn't have used y to denote championship contender

i knew someone would confuse y with yao

to expound on the equation further, -1 is the root of yao. which basically means that if you subtract the role players from a championship contender, you get a shade of yao.

that sounds about right… maybe.

LOL

by sohum on Mar 2, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

oops. My fault. I got the y and i mixed up. My bad.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Has anyone heard any news on Yao recently

Is he in full on rehab mode? Or is he just kicking it at his restuarant?

by tonyomo on Mar 2, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

last I heard

He was drinking beer and eating fried chicken (his words)

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard he

Just bought a share of Timmy Chan’s.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

rehabbing

as of January.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

location?

In Houston, right? Does he go to any games? I haven’t seen him on the bench in forever.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish he was on the bench too

but it’s gotta be tough for the guy to sit there and watch this happening. In two years, he’s played four games.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Also,

If we want to ‘play for the future’ i think we have to market this team to the next batch of all stars that are looking for a new home, ie CP3, the new AI, and whoever the hell else wants to have a gay beach party with his friends instead of trying to ‘be the man and win it all’

by RealFansReadRed94 on Mar 2, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

there is definite valdity to this statement

Problem is: I have no idea how to even formulate a plan to accomplish this goal

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

ideas

Well, number one, square away the money situation. It seems that we’ve done that. With Yao and Jeffries expiring, that’s a good chunk of change, right?

Secondly, be on the verge. In my eye, great players don’t want to go to bottom dwelling teams. That’s why I’d like to see us sneak into the playoffs.

If we’re almost there, and we have some cash to burn, maybe we can land a big fish.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I trust Morey

I never worry about our money situation so long as Morey is in charge…

we just need to find a disgruntled mega superstar that likes warm weather.

Helllloooooo, Dwight!

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Dwight

He’s solid, but I sure would miss Yao’s free throw percentage!

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

if the current CBA stays, we're already screwed

CP3 and D-Will will want to go somewhere that already has top talent. Otherwise, a title is out of reach.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 2, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

this

plan is full proof. I’m all for it.

by andrewwax on Mar 2, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Does that mean it's full of proof?

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

abundance of proof

This plan contains copious amounts of proof. It has been loaded with proof to the breaking point. It contains proof like Charlie Sheen contains crazy. Therefore, I am all for it.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

This works.

I saw this on an episode of Charles in Charge. Worked flawlessly.

by Amivy on Mar 2, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

convinced

If Charles did it, then I’m in. Besides, I’m sure that’s where Morey is going already. Everybody knows that NBA GMs make most of their moves based on 80s sitcoms. :)

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

if they don't already they SHOULD!

Al Bundy would totally be the Grizzlies GM

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

That is why getting our young guys in the mix is important

the old guys do not go all over the available free agents. Patterson is one guy who could be a legit star. The put back he had last night was world class highlight reel stuff. That is the kind of thing that gets FAs thinking this would be a good place to play.

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

case by case

With Patterson, I agree with you.

But I’m not sure that fouls, dropped passes, and bad positioning from Thabeet or bad shots and no look pass turnoveres from the freed TWill would have the same effect.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Man

I hope thabeet gets to play against deandre tonight, it will truly be an epic battle of awfulness; bad fouls, missed rotations, poor FT shooting…

by RealFansReadRed94 on Mar 2, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

epic, truly epic post fail

While I agree that thabeet and williams should be allowed to play, and play through mistakes however determiental (like addlemens has let hill done all year) and I CERTAINLY agree that ppat should play WAY more, the idea that chuck (who has given his heart and soul every game for this franchise for years now) should step aside to give thabeet more time is lunacy.
Play time has to be earned, and players have to feel like they will be respected and rewarded for hard work.
Maintaining a winning culture is imperative, very hard to do when your sittin at 31-31 but the idea that this organization from top to bottom cares only about winning at all cost or against all odds is an attractive factor for a free agent.
Which impact player are we drafing? Which impact player could we recruit? Players like marc gasol can look at our team and realize we are a player like him away from being legit, thus allowing him to satiate his ego and remain confident that we will not cripple our future for finnancial reasons.
Also, there seems to be a recurring theme in these responses and instead of sitting back and realizing the majority of your post was incorrect, you are attempting to mock people over semantics.
What’s wrong? Not enough conviction behind your espoused genius?
Sad part is I tend to like grunge’s post, they are pragmatic and unrelenting and filled with harsh truths that are good to hear (not to mention funny as hell) but this one seemed more of an inane shot-in-the-dark rant than any kind of relevant or prevelant analasys.
When taken into account that there has been no time for practice and 3 full games with those players available to play, it seems a little more hasty and unwarranted.
Thabeet will not get even one 15min a night game this year (like it or not), hill will continue to get sporatic time as he continues to development, dragic will be getting 15-20 regularly in the upcoming weeks, and williams pt is in his hands now.
Lee has been doing well, bud has been doing well and ppat has done well (he should be the primary back-up to scola, no doubt)
Frankly, other than patterson vs miller mins, I don’t see the same rotation issues dave does.

by ShookednShanghaied11 on Mar 2, 2011 3:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

gah!

Who said anything about Chuck stepping aside? It’s not like I am suggesting we cut him and never play him. Jeez… stop extrapolating from statements that don’t even exist.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

and......

How does “no need to start Chuck” equal “[Chuck] should step aside to give thabeet more time”? Chuck will get his minutes – the starting minutes should just go to Thabeet – for at least 10-15 minutes a game.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

At least let him jump

we might get a tip once and a while

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

Win the jump, them immediately call timeout and get him out of the game. :)

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You won't have to

he will foul someone in due course

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like backpedaling

“Starters minutes” doesn’t mean 10-15. When you say Chuck won’t start, it’s natural to assume that you think Thabeet should get 20+ minutes. Very rarely does a starter average less than that.

by Metalate on Mar 2, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

not necessarily

I want Thabeet to get run with the first team. 8 minutes in the first and third Qs with a shot to play at the end if he’s doing well is by no means unreasonable.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

epic

How come bloggers use the word epic so much? I guess I’m old and not with the program. All I know is that if usage of the word epic was a stock, I’d have bought about 2 or 3 years ago and I’d be a rich man.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Fail

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

pass

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

old

Yup, as I suspected, apparently I’m old now. I’m from the awesome and radical day and age.

I’ll try to get more with it: “Dude, that Justin Bieber concert was totally epic, bro.”

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude...if you have a bro that went to a Bieber concert...I know a veteranarian friend.

Your friend needs to be put down….

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

kidding me?

I certainly don’t know anyone that has been to see Biebs. That was my attempt at throwing an olive branch out to the younger generation. I hear that they all have the fever. :)

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

My little sister does...the poor child. I've tried all my remedies, nothing works.

Parliament-Funkadelic, Gap Band, Queen, AC/DC…all have failed to turn

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

her from the dark side of music

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

virus

Yup, it can infect them early. I blame American Idol.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I blame the recording studios.

They have discovered pre-teen girls are the highest demographic in terms of money to common sense ratio

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean the

Mikey Mouse Club imitates real musicians thing, that dark side?

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

whoa

Simultaneous Disney references. Right on man, congrats on being a genius.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Disney

Ah yes, the Disney theory. It’s all cause of that evil little mouse.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

probably

Well he’s no Mother Theresa, that much we can be sure of.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I've heard he's literally banned in Finland because he has no pants

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Jonas Brothers anyone?

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Naaaaa

Not their fault. They were just churned out by the mouse’s machine.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

It's those damn purity rings. Also kept Kenny from getting any action.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, I'm taking Butters Bottom Bitch as my favorite.

But that is definately number two

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone ever wonder about

The Magic play in Mouseville, but the arena is sponsored by Amway??

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Amway is not a music company. And what does Disney World have to do with this?

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 2, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I blame Guitar Hero

While the future musicians of the world should have been in their garages learning how to actually play an instrument, this vital time was wasted playing a shitty video game.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

solid point

Although I have to admit, I played a bit of GH myself. But then again, it wasn’t a waste, I had no musical talent to begin with!

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Real musicians play Rock Band

It’s charted better, the finger motions are similar to the actual instruments, and the drum pads are sexy as all hell for rhythm and drum practice. Harmonix did it proper with RB and RB2, still to try 3. I get some practice in on the drums with it and I actually sync up better as a bassist getting a chance to play a boiled down cover on expert. Then swap over to the actual instruments and you already have the pacing down and the proper technique in the fingers, it’s just accuracy at that point and if you don’t have it developed you were never that good.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take your word for it

with a room full of real instruments if I told my wife I was getting one she would have me examined. Might not be all bad, I hear these doctors prescribe the real good drugs.

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I play session drums and been playing bass for 6 years

There is really an incredible correlation of the skills.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Bass for 40 years or so

Drums, keys and 6 string to some degree

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Bassist love

I play a Fender Precision and Fender Jazz, run my equipment through a Hartke HA2000 amp and Ampeg B-Series 115 amp.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Washburn bass

Trace Elliot combo in the house, Randall head through an Ampeg 2×12 cab for shows.

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

What kind of tunes do you usually play?

Progressive and modern rock for me.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Guy I work with most is into Prog

That and power rock. My logon is a ripoff of a Pat Travers tune. Mars from Travers is one of my heroes.

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're saying a Bieber concert was epic

I will have to ask for your school’s year book to point out which student you are in the 4th grade girls photo.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Noooooooooooo.

It was hypothetical. I was trying to find some common ground with these young kids and their “computers” and this “internetting” and their damn rock and roll.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Screw Rock and Roll. I'm still stuck back in the funk era

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Some of us retain good taste

I came to better music later in life but Coheed and Cambria (Progressive rock) opened the doors for Kansas, Rush, King Crimson, etc…, love for Iron Maiden has always been there, but I’m big on things like The Mars Volta and a lot of that nifty Brit Rock that came over (Fuck Yea, Sheffield!) such as The Strokes, The Hives, The Fratellis, etc…

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

You just literally named most of my favorite bands.

The Mars Votla need to come out with something new very very soon.

by Nauj_ on Mar 2, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

We would get along well.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

thats the first time i used epic

But I see it all the time and like the good little lemming I deided to integrate it. And speaking of extrapolating comments that didn’t exist I never once said ‘stepping aside’ was the equivilent never playing him again

by ShookednShanghaied11 on Mar 2, 2011 4:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

no lemmings here

Don’t be a sheep. Do your own thing. Lemming activity is epically uncool.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You got it!

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

The article provided below should cause everyone to reconsider use of the term epic.

http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=epic

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

on another note

Damn near 300 comments at this time and this is your first. That is epic.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Happens when you're in class from 9 onwards.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude...that is an epic article

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Maddox will stab you in your sleep.

and he wrote the book on manliness, literally.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Scroll UP

You FAILed me for a similar comment

by RealFansReadRed94 on Mar 2, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

You were reffering to his epic comment. I was commenting on his epic article

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Three things inevitable in life

1.) Death
2.) Taxes
3.) A post by Dave chapping so much ass Blistex falls behind in production trying to meet demand.

I agree with everything Dave said in this post minus the request of Jeff Van Gundy. JVG was a hell of a coach but he also had Thibodeau as an architect to many defensive schemes and he’s a bit pre-occupied coaching the Bulls. Add to it that he was notorious for not playing anyone young or foreign and that’s counterproductive to a team like the Rockets looking to rebuild.

I think the most important thing I’ve seen reflected in the comments here is the greed of the fans. Let’s face it, the majority of the posts here wanting the post season want it because they want something, they want to cheer, they want to be entertained longer. I say who cares? We didn’t make the post season last season, did anyone lose sleep or get angry to find that their sub-par Rockets failed to get into the post season? Winning is important, yes, but getting to the post season isn’t really going to improve us. What kind of greed must be embodied in a fan to demand that their team delay their possible improvement all for the sake of keeping you entertained? I’d much rather my team develop its youth and be better down the line than sneak into the post season just to give the NBA Playoff equivalent of a bye to a higher seeded team.

Let’s face it, at the end of the day, this Rockets team is the dying throes of an injured lion. Sure, it was once proud, noble, and fierce (Let me get away with romanticism here, fuck off) but now its heart is still beating as proudly but its leg is shattered and its neck has deep gashes. There comes a time where you have to yield that perhaps it’s time for a new lion to emerge. As much as you’d like to see that once proud beast raise his head, let one bellow out and stumble a few steps forward it will all be for naught as another lion needs to lead the pride. One with youth, vigor, and big paws. The push for the playoffs is truly saying you’d rather stumble forward and pray that that roar prolongs life for a few short moments prior to that dying breath rather than give the big pawed lion a chance to grow into that frame and perhaps be a better leader.

SUCK ON THAT SYMBOLISM!

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

The question is, who?

Aside from Miller loosing minutes to Pat-Pat, who else should lose minutes to “develop” our yunguns?

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If Miller loses time to Patterson

then you’re doing it wrong. Your Center doesn’t lose minutes to develop a PF. Scola needs to reduce for Patterson, Hayes needs to be on the bench so Thabeet can start getting reps, replace him with Hill and if the game looks winnable, toss Chuck Hayes in. Williams needs to get legitimate playing time rather than rely on Buddinger at the three so damn much (Admittedly Williams needs to learn to play within himself and the game), and Lee needs to see some minutes spelling Martin for long durations.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I meant Patterson gaining minutes, Miller losing minutes.

Not directly with Miller being replaced by Pat-Pat. I just am waiting to pass judgment on who should get playing time until we have a few more games and breaks in the action.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Hill

I myself don’t want to replace anybody with Hill. Somebody tell me what they see in him? I see negligible offense, poor defense, and low effort. Am I nuts? And nobody say “he’s tall.” If pure height is what we’re looking for, we got Thabeet!

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

What I see in Hill

Is a guy who got moved to Center on the fly, having to make all the adjustments and capable of pulling off double doubles in a re-lived rookie year without the benefit of having time to pack muscle on the frame or get enough cuts in at Center to be respectable there. He shows the tools and the willingness to give us whatever we need but people don’t cut him the slack that his position got changed on the fly without any of the time to prepare for it.

If I drop you in the jungle and tell you “survive” and your only experience is you saw a National Geographic on the jungle once, you’re probably screwed. Jordan needs time to get the training and frame and I think he’ll handle it well. His inconsistency shows his capability rather than his limitations at this point.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope you are right. i've lost some faith in him, but I hope you are right

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

upside

Ok, I will give you upside. As long as there’s a lot of work in the gym involved.

But as far as right now, it’s not there. What position did he come from – PF? If so, perhaps we should move him back there and try to bring in a few big men for C?

All I know is that I see him getting pushed around and looking a bit lost out there, yet some people are talking as if more minutes for him will solve all of our problems. I just don’t see it.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

If you move Hill to PF you lessen Patterson's minutes

and Patterson does not have the flexibility of a 4/5 like Hill does. Youth wise I think you have to split center duties with Thabeet and Hill.

When you mention Jordan’s shortcomings look back to what I said and you have the answer for all of them. Getting pushed around is because, as I said, he’s naturally a PF and he’s out of position but he is only in that predicament because he had to change on the fly. You mention he looks a bit lost out there he’s not a natural power forward and is learning a new position, he’s basically a rookie again. As far as more minutes to resolve it there are few other ways of remedying a problem like that other than by trying it.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Minutes against the 4/5 guys

that lots of teams use at the 5 off the bench. Can he go against them?

by makinmajik on Mar 2, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay,

your point is taken here. It may be a very good one. I guess time will tell.

by svspider on Mar 2, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

You're assuming that letting for example, letting T-Will do T-Will things equals development

I argue that forcing T-Will to realize that he needs to stop doing T-Will stuff if he wants to play is better development than just letting him chuck.. If he doesn’t, than that’s his fault.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Mar 2, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Am I assuming that, or are you mentioning it so you have a basis to reply?

Because I specifically said admittedly Williams needs to learn to play within himself and within the game. By him learning to play within the game and within himself your solution is achieved, only through my method he gets quality coaching and direction in conjunction with actual time on the court to put it all together. No one ever developed well in the NBA taking notes from the bench.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

And how does he learn to play within the game?

By getting minutes? he’s had them. Hasn’t done it. Why should he get more then? Because he’ll magically learn how to do that when he’s playing 20 minutes a game as opposed to five?

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Mar 2, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

20 minutes a game

would roughly match his playtime all season. If you’re expecting perfection in spans of 7 minutes tops then I really would like to know how reasonable your expectations are. Playing time corrects a lot of things.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, he's getting some time.

I’m not saying T-Will shouldn’t get any burn, though like I said, I was never on the people going nuts over him before the deadline. But he’s got some minutes right now, this is his shot. And right now, he hasn’t shown much at all. Not saying this merits a benching, but it sure as heck doesn’t merit giving him more minutes at what would probably be Martin’s expense.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Mar 2, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

He does have more minutes

then again more minutes than none is a very easy target to hit. Again, I’m forced to look at what your expectations are for the man and I am doubting the rationality of your evaluations.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Lets set the bar low for T-Will

When he stop taking mid-range fade-aways in the halfcourt with plenty of time on the clock, Then HE should play 15 minutes a game

or whenever Chase and Lee stop being on fire

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you claiming he's played well over these increased minutes?

Because anyone who can look past the P-word and actually examine his play on the court these last few games can tell you he’s not played well by any standards. He’s barely played better than Ariza on offense, and I’m dead serious.

So, his potential can be argued to have a few minutes, which he has, and hasn’t really done much. When he plays better than he has, he gets more minutes. That simple.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Mar 2, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you reading anything I'm writing or just assuming 90% of the argument?

I have said his minutes are inconsistent and do not offer an adequate way of evaluating talent. Player growth and development is severely retarded in the presence of these factors and it’s what Hill, Thabeet, and Williams are being faced with. You’re asking for perfection and consistency when these players are given neither. I am saying increase the playing time for these players and let’s see what issues arise. Once we identify the issues the coaching staff can work to address them and the players can develop into what is needed. Prior to that it is likely that these players could be the most talented individuals in the NBA but will never have a career due to lack of development.

I look forward to your next string of assumptions I will have to clarify in a response.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Right now, his minutes are not inconsistent.

They’re just small, as he’s not better than Lee, Budinger, or Martin, and since he’s not better than them, he doesn’t deserve more minutes. But with the aftermath of the deadline and the departure of Battier, he does not have inconsistent minutes, as the last three games have shown.

And in those minutes, we’ve already seen what are the problem with T-Will – his tendency to take really bad shots, overdribbling, etc etc. Heck, Hill was starting at one point, so I’m sure Adelman knows what are his problems – I doubt Hill has different problems compared to two months ago. You don’t need 20 minutes a game over an extended stretch to see what problems a player can have anymore than you needing 20 minutes to see that Lebron is really good. Give T-Will 5+ minutes a game, and over the course of 4 or 5 games, it will be possible to identify some potential problems with his playing style, problems which even I’m capable of identifying over time, much less a Hall of Fame coach.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Mar 2, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Dave already put up what Williams minutes have been

and you’re insane if you think they’ve been in solid blocks of time rather than aggregated totals. We’re not getting solid views of these players. Hill was starting, but I’m not posting the same fucking thing 5 times in the same thread in regards to him. If you want to really solve this problem that Williams has, poor shot selection and overdribbling, he can only solve those with actual playing time to remedy it. You can’t just take notes on the bench and study them at night to improve on them.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually watch start to finished the past 3 game

He and Pat almost play exclusively the first rotation between first and 2nd quarter. 2nd half, they are only up for players breathers, so it’s actually pretty aggregated

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I've watched the games too (Don't believe what Since says)

And I know it was all aggregate minutes. You can’t form a solid opinion in aggregate minutes when the allocations are choppy at best.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Very nice eloquence points.

But, I still disagree with the principle of throwing Thabeet to the lions and TWill hasn’t earned more minutes that come from Bud or CLee.

Patterson should get minutes. Jordan Hill, he has had minutes and squandered them.

by svspider on Mar 2, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Epic post Dave indeed!

I agree with most of it and have been saying similar things for some time, eg. see my inane ramblings on players minutes and RA in the Fan Post section…

I don’t know if Dave meant it or no but I don’t think anyone said that we should only be playing young players only. There is definitely a need for vets to be out there with young players to play with them, teach them, keep the train more or less on the tracks.

But as a whole there is no reason to play any player 40 minutes at all. I would rather get a slightly better draft pick and get more experience for our good players then be an afterthought in the playoffs, bounced by SA or even worse Dallas in the first round. We have no business being there in the first place and I don’t think that missing the playoffs makes our team culture a Clippers/TWolves type culture overnight.

Dave, I agree almost entirely with your article and I think, ultimately, this summer is going to show us what is what going forward.
New Coach, most likely,
New Center, most likely, hopefully.

I do think that Hill and probably TWill are busts, otherwise they would be getting more playing time. I know everything thinks these guys have potential but really, we have had plenty of need for their apparent skills all season and still they don’t get used. They know the basics of the system at this point…it must be then that they suckus muchus. Even RA would play them if they were good (eg. Courtney Lee, Brooks when he was given to be the starter, and Lowry)

by John P on Mar 2, 2011 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

yes

Chicken and egg here. Some are saying they aren’t good cause they don’t get the playing time. I’m saying they don’t get the playing time cause they aren’t any good.

True, they haven’t been given “a chance.” But I’m also saying that professional coaching staffs and executives should be able to evaluate talent in a non-game scenario and that, if these players had shown promise, they would have already gotten the chance that everyone is clamoring for.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Over and Out

Alright, great chatting with you guys. Especially the ones of you who think like me. :)

Let’s hope for a nice win tonight. Here’s to keeping highlight Griffin dunks to a minimum.

by ElocFSU on Mar 2, 2011 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

Ive seen him jump over a car. But can he jump over a 6'6 tree stump?

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Hill and thabeet should sit at the end of the bench

If we are trying to win

T will and dragic need to play, but those other two are terrible. I’d rather watch chuck, scola, PP, and miller go at it that those two worthless bastards.

I seriously can’t watch either of them get destroyed by blake griffin tonight. Chuck must play 48 minutes.

Thabeet is the worst player in the NBA, ten times worse than adam Morrison

by AllenOU on Mar 2, 2011 4:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I knew there was a reason I avoid reading your posts

this kind of exemplifies it.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

WOW NO

1. how can u expect 2 new players to jump into a system they dont no and play 20-25mins?

2. just coz we aint crusing to a payoff spot dont mean we tank and only play young players coz they the future

3. Pat only played 7mins coz guess wat a better player Scola was 10 from 11shots and chuck was doin a fairly good job on LA

4. Goran was sick for one game and was in foul trouble within a few mins in the other and just coz a guy is tall dont mean hes a true center he aint better than chuck

5. Chase has 93mins the last 3games and is shooting 17 of 29 with 49pts Lee is hitting 11 of 19 the last 3 games thats y TWill aint gettin more mins

6. I happy to see just coz we winning everyone aint thinkin our shit dont stink but i started supportin the rockets coz just about every game is tight and exciting even tho most are losses i dont wanna support LA or Miami. The hustle and heart brought me to this club id rather the team go just under .500 the next 3 years then under .350 and maybe above .500 in the future god i needed that rant

by IrishThrasher on Mar 2, 2011 4:59 PM CST reply actions  

In short

1.) Because we’re clearly moving to rebuild, “system” is a cop out answer that holds no bearing for a coach who won’t be here next season.
2.) There is a lot of gray area in between “PLAYOFFS!” and “TANK!” that, for some unknown reason, this fan base can’t seem to see. Maybe they’re Stevie Wonder?
3.) We were up by 19 at points throughout the game. Scola is obviously a better player, he’s 7 years older than Patterson (or so) with more experience, Patterson won’t get that experience if he doesn’t get floortime though. Circular logic FTW!
4.) How do we know he can’t or won’t be better than Chuck with a few minutes? Again, circular logic.
5.) Chase and Lee have played well, last I checked Lee was the back up 2 and Williams was the back up 3. Chase plays the 3. Your argument is invalid.
6.) You’d rather the team continue cruising along the lines of mediocrity because it suits you well. I’d rather we work on developing ourselves, suffer one bad year and improve to a contender over the course of 4-5 years rather than continually cruise that no man’s land for sake of my own personal shits and giggles. But maybe that’s just because I’m an asshole.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Adelmand has been ending the game on

Lowry, Lee, Martin line up, seems to work well. so yeah there is some weight behind the Chase and Lee on fire thing

I still disagree on Thabeet getting time until the rockets staff at least get a gauge of his abilities and have a full practice with him. People think Jordan Hill looked lost, get a load of Thabeet.

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

It carries no weight

because he’s equating Williams minutes to be dependent on the 2 guard position and it’s not. Lee can play at the 1 and the 2, Williams can play at the 2 or the 3. His argument implies Chase will have to be able to never rest in order to keep Williams off the court, which is erroneous.

You’re also asserting a circular logic/closed evaluation argument. How do you know Thabeet looks lost? In his total 2 minutes of garbage time? It’s an assumption saying “He doesn’t play because he’s bad. He’s bad because he doesn’t play. Repeat ad nauseum.”

People love opinions but hate giving explanations or basis for them.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I know because he also looked lost in memphis when he does get his 10 minutes or so PT

And he’s been with that system for a year now, with him playing extended minutes down the strech for Memphis at the end of his rookie season

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

And Memphis is fantastic in their development and appraisal of talent right?

Kyle Lowry got locked up by them… Wait, he didn’t? Shit.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

well they did exactly what you asked for

Memphis played him about 20 minutes a game down the stretch, you said game time is where players developed, He’s certainly not playing here

what else are you asking for that Rockets can give him in this short stretch since he’s been traded

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

A coaching staff capable of rearing a big man

to say the least.

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Then let the coaching staff get a look at him before you throw him into the fire

We’re in the middle of a 4 game in 5 night stretch, barely any practice time except shootarounds. to ask for more minutes then the 2 minutes he’s got is insane.

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Daryl Morey even admitted

that it’s going to be hell on him trying to evaluate a player that gets no playing time. Yes, I completely agree he needs some practice time but if he’s a primarily defensive player and somewhat competent at it, and that’s all we need Chuck out there for, why not throw a guy who could block a shot or 5 in there?

In the garage, I feel safe.
No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
No one hears me sing this song.
In the garage.
-Weezer-

by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Because Blake Griffn would have a field day today

like Dejuan Blair did against him in college.

But this is a moot point, I stand by my position that he will need an actual Rockets staff evaluation before he really gets any decision on playing time, also it’s likely we’re probably sending him to RGV for their season and possibly post season, where he can get all the playing time he wishes, before you say he’ll dominate with height and talent, he didnt the last couple times he went

by NVP on Mar 2, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

because chuck hayes is infinitely more intelligent than thabeet atm with regards to defense

i agree that once thabeet sees some coaching he should be played for more regular minutes. but let’s at least let him have one practice with the team before we complain about it.

we run a lot of our offense through chuck, as well.

by sohum on Mar 2, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Not everyone has circular logic, like your calling it.

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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Did I say everyone does?

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I see you use that term a whole lot

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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a calls em' like I sees em' thing.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I've noticed. But I think sometimes your eyes decieve you.

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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you know what they say

“quit playing with yourself or you’ll go blind.”

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

You certaintly take the cake on the

“the fuck does did that come from?” comments

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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

You love it.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed, my fellow man of supreme manliness.

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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Because Thabeet has shown absolute jack his entire tenure as a basketball player.

I mean, this argument is fundamentally ridiculous. How do you know Chuck Hayes is better than Brian Cook or Hilton Armstrong? How do you know Martin is better than Carroll? How do you know Artest is better than Adam Morrison?

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by Barragan on Mar 2, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see Thabeet get time and coaching

and then we can pass that assessment. As I’ve said, it’s a very simple claim to say “an established veteran is better than a guy who has gotten no attention in his NBA career.” I think the only thing safer to say is “water is wet.”

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet you'd let Charlie sheen take your wife out too

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, but it’s pretty obvious you don’t care if everyone knows it. I can respect that.

And no, thabeet IS the worst player in the league, at this moment.

Besides being tall, what has he done? The #2 overall pick shouldn’t need “a chance” and “to be coached up”

by AllenOU on Mar 2, 2011 5:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Funny someone like you should imply I'm not all that sharp.

Pot kettle, kettle, pot.

Players need development and guidance, Thabeet got neither in Memphis.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I kinda wrote that wrong

I was describing thabeet , but now that you mention it…. Jk

by AllenOU on Mar 2, 2011 6:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yea circular logic

only 5 players can be on the court play young players or even younger players? its not really a valid point Bud is young y should he take over most of the mins and not TWill? its Ricks choic e
1. Coach wasnt mentioned in the statement the point was new players dont no the plays and have no chemisty yet
2. my point was vague and over the top
3. valid point Rick playin it safe i was expecting players to come in with 4or mins left
4. he has proven that he is not a big time player and came to the club with rockets people sayin hes not good now and he a development project basicly
5. not invalid when TWill was asked wat he thought his position was he said point but seems to be able to play 123. positions mins arent restricted to only players at that position
6. yes id rather be a playoff contender than play for picks and that crap, i rarely shit or giggle while watchin the matchs :)
7. new point i dont think ur an asshole its a blog its all opinions very few facts, just no need to be so aggressive to prove me wrong im sure u no more than me about rockets/nba anyway but just my opinion and im pretty sure its different from most peoples on this

by IrishThrasher on Mar 2, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't want it to come off as aggressive

However, given some of the responses I’ve had to work with it kind of rolled in with the others that way. As for Williams minutes, I just assume it’s hinging on him better as a 3, his own opinion of where he plays is irrelevant.

For my forecast on the Rockets, I’d rather see a bad year or so than mediocrity. If you want to know what that horror is like check out the Buffalo Bills from this decade.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I donno wat the kid can do

but one way or another TWill will have 2 get more mins id love to see lowry,lee,willams play

u stayin up to watch the match?

by IrishThrasher on Mar 2, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea, I'll be up for it.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

lucky

wont b on till 3::30am here and i got an exam tomoro u think we will win?

by IrishThrasher on Mar 2, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Houston has this one the Clippers are pretty mediocre

I have to put in volunteer hours tomorrow for the youth court, thankfully my reading assignment is light.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

A few things to pick out.

1. Elston Turner would likely take over before Sikma.
2. Dragic has been given time, but he hasn’t been able to stay in for long. Foul trouble.
3. T-Will can start taking his shots towards or near the basket. Shooting fadeaways from the three-point line might be “pressing” due to a lack of minutes, but I’d rather him “press” as a slasher or going towards the rim.

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by Tom Martin on Mar 2, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions  

Ultimately it won't matter even if these "young players" did get more minutes

if the argument here is to build for the future and to contend for championships, we have to get better players. Star players are hard to get, and we won’t truly contend until we get one. Until then, this team has to play hard and win. Coach Rick is playing the guys that get wins, and it’s working. To have this team at .500 is a slight miracle.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

that I agree with

This team shouldn’t be anywhere near .500… not with all the sudden changes they have had to deal with. But that doesn’t give Adelman carte blanche to fuck over our future.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Who knows if Hill and Thabeet will be part of our future?

Our future will be determined by the star players we bring in. (or don’t bring in) It won’t be determined by 10 minutes for each player for the rest of the season. We already know Morey can put pieces around key players.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

hahahahahah

We’re going to have to rely on the draft for a star player. This is a rebuilding effort. Hill and Thabeet, one of them, is likely to be a Center for us going forward.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

And my guess would be Thabeet, but him going out there for 10 minutes is outweighed by trying to make the playoffs right now.

by twinkilling0303 on Mar 2, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

2012 cap space

Between now and then the Rockets need to showcase themselves as a destination where a superstar free agent will want to sign, ie a team with the right role players that’s ready to contend.

This is even more important since multiple superstar team ups have become so popular.

by wayno on Mar 2, 2011 5:43 PM CST reply actions  

Dave, did you realize

you were creating a blogging storm while you were writing this? Not taking a shot, just wondering if you knew you going to receive a bunch. If so, pretty ballsy.

by SpaceCityFan on Mar 2, 2011 5:43 PM CST reply actions  

not at all

I thought this was a rather innocuous post. Hell, Lee, Tom and I exchanged simple notes about it this morning……..

I just underestimate the amount of people who have hard-ons for Chuck Hayes.

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You better believe it

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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 2, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

hey at least your postin stuff

i didnt agree with most of wat u said but still a good read sparked good topics for conversations so people could kill each other over opinions

by IrishThrasher on Mar 2, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you need to actually watch thabeet play

he is not an NBA center….hell, he isn’t a development league center

he is terrible….I’ve seen most games he has played in the last 2 years…..

by zackmann on Mar 2, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

because

they got shane battier one of the sexiest defensive SF in the game

by IrishThrasher on Mar 2, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Rick Adelman is paid to win games

He wants no part of a rebuilding process, but he will not step down mid-season.

As a fan, our futre is important but this season is not lost. We are still in the playoff hunt. We need to do anything possible to win games.

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.

by .Bonzo on Mar 2, 2011 6:30 PM CST reply actions  

My problem with wanting them to tank is that a good pick isn't guaranteed and even if they got a good pick

A mid first round rookie isn’t going to be what puts this team over the top. And people said I was a bad fan for wanting the Texans to lose their last game to ensure the 6th pick instead of the 11th pick…..

by Bobbythegreat on Mar 2, 2011 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

Developing youth =/= tank

Not sure why no one can think when it comes to this concept.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

The outcome is the same.

If you put more emphasis on developing young talent than winning, your season will quickly tank. I think that since we are this close already we might as well try to make the playoffs.

by Bobbythegreat on Mar 2, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

If your young talent is bad, yes.

Unfortunately there is a way to do this intelligently that people fail to see for some odd reason. Then again if there weren’t people clutching to extremes no one would see how reasonable the middle ground is.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I say give it a few more losses

when we are clearly out of it, then by all means give Thabeet 15 mins a game and put in the rest of the young guys, but if we lost even one game while we were still “in the hunt” that was blamed on having the young guys in instead of the normal rotation then the owner would probably start killing people.

by Bobbythegreat on Mar 2, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW

I didn’t mean that to imply that you are a bad fan Dave. I completely understand why you have the stance you do, even if I don’t agree with it.

by Bobbythegreat on Mar 2, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

disagree completely with this post

I agree Rick is not going to coach next year, but in no way should he give Thabeet a single minute on the floor. None. I moved to Houston from Memphis 3 years ago and still follow the Griz and can tell you nothing good comes from Thabeet playing. None.

And Twill has gotten chances, but just isn’t very good.

Rick is trying to win. Kyle is trying to win. Scola is trying to win. Hayes is trying to win. Martin is trying to win.

It is ridiculous to lose on purpose (i.e., playing Thabeet).

I applaud Rick and the team since the trade deadline. I love watching the rockets play. But if thabeet and twill and such are getting big minutes, might as well turn the tv off. Tanking is ridiculous…

Rick doesn’t have any ’splaining to do.

You need to go watch some tape of Thabeet from Memphis and re-evaluate your position.

by zackmann on Mar 2, 2011 6:53 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

what tape?

Thabeet has played as much in Memphis as I have, and Ive never been there

by fanoflosingteams on Mar 2, 2011 8:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

tape?

Who still watches videotape?

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

right....obviously i meant vhs tape

jeez

thabeet fell out of the rotation this year, because, well, he sucks, but he got more run last year at times (when not being sent to the dleague)….plus he got plenty of play in summer league and such (which I watched)

any talk of free thabeet is just ridiculous…..he isn’t good at basketball and playing him more than 2 minutes in a blow out would be a slap in the face to any houston fan that paid money to watch competitive basetkball

by zackmann on Mar 2, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

At least we're not the Kings

The basement of the nba is not elastic! Just cause you suck and go into rebuild mode does not mean your going to come out on top. I would much rather watch early playoff exits for the next 4 years then be where the kings and t-wolves are.

by RealFansReadRed94 on Mar 2, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

The day our franchise is as inept as those two

is the day your worry will have a legitimate basis.

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by BD34 on Mar 2, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Dave

I gotta give it to you, you really know how to spark a discussion. Your topic selection is flawless.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Mar 2, 2011 6:58 PM CST reply actions  

There is one interesting assumption:

At the core of the “free Thabeet” argument seems to be the idea that Houston has a much better coaching and training staff than Memphis, and can therefore evaluate him and train him better than the Grizzlies did.

(P.S. I think this is correct)

On the other hand, the assumption is being made that the Rockets’ staff are not properly evaluating Thabeet (and Williams, Hill, etc).

I’d argue that the Rockets’ staff is really quite good and is probably a hell of a lot better at judging these things than I am, especially since they actually work with these guys. It’s early since the trade deadline and I suggest we give them all the benefit of the doubt for a bit before casting judgement.

I’d like to see the youngsters play too, but I also like to see chemistry and teamwork being developed.

by DUNOTS on Mar 2, 2011 8:05 PM CST reply actions  

he's only been here a week...

I think the best thing we can do for Hasheem is show that we have faith in him and run him out there for 20 minutes. And leave him in no matter what… to show that we aren’t looking to yank him at the first mistake. You’d be surprised how well a guy can play when he isn’t looking over his shoulder (see Patterson, Patrick)… and how bad he can be when he knows he’s about to get yanked (see Williams, Terrence).

by grungedave on Mar 2, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I really hope

you are right about Williams. I honestly have not seen whatever you have to be so high on him.

by svspider on Mar 2, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow!a gazillion comments on this

Kinda late to party,so sorry if I’m repeating what others have said.

On the overall question,I’m firmly on side of making Play-Offs.
Money into Les’ pocket usually results in more cash for Morey to play w/in buying picks,etc.
Play-Off experience is invaluable in teaching younger players. Patterson,Bud,Williams,Hill,Thabeet have never been in them. Baby steps.
The Rockets have an extra First,cash they can use to move up the few spots in Draft being in Playoffs will cause.
Now if you could guarantee the Rockets could win the Lottery and get the 1,2 or third pick….

grungedave,
Rick is coaching for his next job offer. Missing out 2 yrs straight gets him offers from mediocre teams looking for a name. If he can get into Play-Offs he can tell better teams looking for a coach,“I made the Play-Offs w/a midget for a Center and Chase effing Budinger as my defensive wing! Just think what I could do w/your roster full of good players.”

Patterson should get more minutes.
Miller is ok,Patterson and Hill have both looked much better playing w/him. The team should simply fine Miller $100 for every dribble he takes.And the second the team is eliminated Miller should be parked on bench.
I’d like to see more Williams,but if he continues to play w/out a clue,I have no problems w/benching him.
I’m not too high on Dragic. He seems very focused on getting to rim and not looking for teammates on the break.
Thabeet should not see the court unless the team is eliminated. He’s nowhere near being ready to play in the NBA.

by Tisbee on Mar 2, 2011 9:50 PM CST reply actions  

WOW!! Lots of Game Thread tonight!

That was the longest half ever!! Oh i forgot Joey Crawford is here and he has his crew call everything!

by kmbrly429 on Mar 2, 2011 10:52 PM CST reply actions  

I do have to disagree with the Hayes comments...

He should start, he is good on defense, just is! Shut Aldridge down last night. Oh, back to the couch!

by kmbrly429 on Mar 2, 2011 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

this is the only place

were you can read thabeet is not a bust.

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by craigj007 on Mar 3, 2011 4:07 AM CST reply actions  

How many game minutes do you need before you're a bust?

Thabeet has played approximately 1250 minutes in 115 NBA games, for an average of 11 minutes a game. A normal starting player, playing in every game of a season at 37 minutes is at roughly 3000 minutes in a season. So Thabeet in nearly two seasons has played about 42% of one season’s minutes. I’d suggest that no one has a clue whether or not he’s a bust – he just hasn’t played enough for anyone to know.

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by Xiane on Mar 3, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I really dont think he has the skills (i hope to god im wrong)

i looked at as much video as i could find and his blocks werent above the square type of blocks and their seemed to be only one type of dunk to score. Hope to see something soon.

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by craigj007 on Mar 4, 2011 2:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank God, you are not the coach!

Williams had continued to be unreliable with so many turnovers with the chance he got. Everyone including Thabeet former team know that he needs more training. Thabeet collects foul on vrtually every contact! you want the team to run into penalty with 8mins to go in the quarter? Hayes right now is doing more and beyond expectation! Adelman is still the best coach for the team as of now, period. You clamored for Brooks to be traded, now he is gone but we just lost an average 17-20points per game – Sun is laughing off for the terrible point guard exchange. Please continue your tech analysis which are usually good most of the time BUT please leave the coaching alone.

by lasdas on Mar 3, 2011 10:06 AM CST reply actions  

retort

Williams is ‘unreliable’ because he’s been conditioned that he will be removed exactly 3 minutes after he’s put in the game — so he rushes shots and makes hurried decisions. Anyone on a yo-yo would do the same.

I do not trust Memphis’ ability to evaluate talent, especially young centers like Thabeet. And how do you know he fouls on virtually every contact? The only actual game experience he gets is “virtual” since he’s glued to the real bench.

Hayes is definitely playing beyond expectations…… and yet the team is still 31-32. So he’s not exactly irreplaceable. This is a concept that kills me… I like Chuck Hayes too but he’s clearly limited given his height and offensive capabilities. Opposing teams make WAY too many shots inside 5’ and our defensive rebounding rate is at the bottom of the league.

Brooks peaked last year and we got good value for an expiring contract. Best part is we no longer have to give Brooks the Mike Conley contract or risk losing him for nothing. No sane person disagrees with that trade.

Please stop taking a short-sighted approach to the Rockets.

by grungedave on Mar 3, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

retort 1

it amazes me how you resort to insult when someone does not agree with you, Yes we need a bigger centre – then address the issue with the GM who could not provide us with one that is ready and not with the coach. Coach is using whatever he has. At this time, it maybe better to send Thabeet and Williams to few weeks in D-league -if they are ready to learn to gain the experience and sharpen their skills, afterall, Patterson did same and came back rolling strong. I will always discuss issues not “anger” reply – hopefully that will help your “short-sightedness”.

by lasdas on Mar 3, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

How is anythign I said an insult

Just because I disagree with your analysis is not an insult. Saying your approach is “short-sighted” is an accurate reflection of your reasoning. Sorry, but it’s true. The Rockets are not winning this year. They aren’t. So basing personnel decisions based only on the next 20 games is the very definition of short-sighted.

by grungedave on Mar 3, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

One good data point in your assertion about Memphis

Kyle Lowry – he’s turning into (at worst) an above average starting PG – Memphis kept Conley.

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by Xiane on Mar 3, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Dabeet needs all the experience now...so we should play him....i dont care if we

make it to the playoffs or not…lets get him in there to see what his weaknesses are in detail. if we wait till next year, we will be half a season behind on him…get him in there now! if i was morey, i would make RA play him

by inquisitiveman on Mar 3, 2011 6:49 PM CST reply actions  

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