Rockets To Sign Mike Harris To Fill In For Injured Budinger
by Tom Martin on Mar 21, 2011 4:56 PM CDT
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PrintYou have to wonder if Toyota Center ever removed Mike Harris' locker. I'd like to think that they have an extra locker in the back corner, eternally reserved for Harris until the day he can no longer stand up and put on his basketball shorts.
With Chase Budinger sidelined due to injury, Jonathan Feigen is reporting that the Rockets will sign Harris, a former Rocket who spent valuable time on the 22-game win streak team and helped lead their D-League team, the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, to an NBDL championship last season.
With another late-season injury, the Rockets will make another call to familiar fill-in Mike Harris, a person with knowledge of the decision said Monday.
Harris, who had completed his season in China, had been considering offers to play for the Rockets' NBA Development League affiliate or in Puerto Rico when Rockets forward Chase Budinger sprained his left ankle Sunday against the Utah Jazz. He is expected to sign with the Rockets on Tuesday.
What does this mean for Terrence Williams? Well, for starters, you probably won't see him take the floor again until next season, save for the garbagiest of garbage minutes. He's clearly not in-tune enough with the current system to merit playing time. Thus, bringing in a familiar face in Harris became an easy option towards which the Rockets could turn. Williams is also coming off a minor surgery, so that could have factored into the decision as well.
For the last time, if you still don't think the Rockets are gunning for a playoff spot and for as many wins as possible, this here move should solidify this belief.
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It mean T-wil must really hate the system
or the system really hate him.
D-league MVP is pretty good, so I’m not knocking Mike Harris, he’s a hard player
Why does he try to take over the PG duties...
away from Dragic everytime he’s on the floor? Even the other players look like they’re feeling awkward about it.
it'd be cool if he did that
he should knows the plays better, but he doesnt run plays when he does
"He's clearly not in-tune enough with the current system to merit playing time."
1000% correct.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 5:23 PM CDT reply actions
Abundance?
He has only played in 11 games since coming over and he is only averaging 7.6 minutes in those games and most of that was garbage time. If that is an abundance then the starters average eternity minutes per game. Please at least try to be reasonable or this can’t even be a discussion.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
When Rick called the plays
and T Will couldn’t run them. He turned everything into iso’s. And if he is in-tune with the system, I’d like to know why he was choosing not to run it.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Read my above comment
11 games and 7.6 minutes per is not enough to understand an offense. Please be reasonable.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
You're asking a lot with that one man.
I fought the good fight for Hill for so long and only when he flashes brilliance does anyone agree with me.
TDS's resident dickhead.
It makes NO SENSE at all
Nobody from the front office or the media is even asking what’s going on with him. I demand answers for why this guy is being treated this way. I can understand Thabeet but Williams is just being politically raped and no one can give a solid answer why.
#Rubbish
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Isn't he hurt right now anyways?
Not saying that’s the reason why…just wondering how long he’s out. If it’s a while, then bringing someone up makes even more sense.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I have been very critical of Hill...
Key word there is FLASH. He is so inconsistent.
But man, he has looked so good recently, especially during the last three games or so. Kid is only going to get better. We really need the size.
Still think he needs consistent minutes and a couple of expresso shots before a game.
by albertchester on Mar 21, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
He's had lots of practice time in the offense
and the chance Williams got was when Brooks got hurt and Williams came off the bench for a few games. Rick called the plays, and T Will didn’t run them. Honestly, didn’t look like he even tried. He either ran the clock down and shot, or just waited for a pick. He’s got a lot of talent, but he has to figure out how to stay on the court. Even if it’s not the way he wants to play.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not me that did it
You can think Rick’s being unreasonable, but it’s his team to coach.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
and please be reasonable that
This must not just occur in games, there must be a reason other than RA hates T-will
It is politics
That is the only other thing it can be.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
how about not knowing the plays in practice after almost the entire season
lets expand our imagination here
Since we are expanding our imagination
How about we just have a stubborn coach?
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
He has every right to be stubborn
being doing this a long time.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
T Will won't change that
and a lot of great coaches don’t have titles
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
And?
You can’t do the same shit and expect a different result each time. Sometimes you need to swallow your pride but Rick may not have enough saliva.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
You can't do the same shit and expect a different result each time
I could say the same thing about T Will’s play since he’s been in the NBA. Just sayin
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He still has a chance to change
Old McAdelman does not.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
He does have a chance
in the offseason and next season.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So
Do you think they went into coaching without aspiring to win one? It is true that many of us Rockets fans have come to accept mediocrity. You don’t climb a mountain with the intention to stop in the middle of it and claim success. If you do then you are pathetic. Strive to be the best and not settle for just being great.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
completely unrelated
you’re questioning adelman’s coaching pedigree by counting his titles and that is frankly the stupidest metric to use when judging how good a coach is.
winning a championship comes down to many things, including the roster that your front office has built.
nate mcmillan, for example, is a pretty good coach given the injuries he’s had to deal with. he’s not got any rings though, does that mean he’s crap?
I didn't say anything negative about Adelman
I only stated a fact. I stand by what I said. Is there anything wrong with being the best? I want him to win a title but he has not done it yet so thus far his way has not taken him to the promise land. In as many years as he has coached and the talent he has had he did not produce ONE title. You can make all the excuse you want but they don’t minimize the fact that he is ringless.
Let me put this in perspective. Say we are in a league of two teams, yours against mines. If we play one game and your team wins and my team loses but plays well it does not mean my team is necessarily bad. It means you are the best in that game and the best always wins otherwise they aren’t the best. You want to be the best, right? If not then why even live?
I hope you understand what I am saying now because you seem to be taking my point the wrong way. Fuck it I’ll just say it. My point is you do things with the intention of being the best. But just because you aren’t the best doesn’t mean you are shit. He is a great coach, yes he is. But he has never been the best. That is all I am saying.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
the 2 team league analogy doesn't work
because it’s a binary situation. you either win or lose. there’s no middle ground. there is middle ground in a 30-team league because if you get to the finals that means you are one of the two best teams/coaches out of 30. which certainly has more merit.
regardless, the argument you made is that RA doesn’t have the authority to be stubborn because he doesn’t have any rings. the reality is that he does, because he is still a damn good coach and it took one of the fewer coaches better than him (phil jackson) stacked with kobe and shaq that prevented him from getting a ring.
i’ll entertain the discussion that RA is not right for our team given that he is a contender’s coach and we are a rebuilding team.
but i call BS if you pretend that RA hasn’t earned some respect for his coaching decisions just because he hasn’t won a ring, because i think it’s the silliest justification method used for weak arguments in american sports leagues.
You are putting words in my mouth
You are refusing to see my point. He is what he is and does what he does but it just hasn’t worked. That is all I am saying.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
how am i putting words in your mouth?
you posted: “How about we just have a stubborn coach?”
twinkilling0303 posted: “He has every right to be stubborn. being doing this a long time.”
you posted: “No titles”
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basically your last comment implied that RA hasn’t earned the right to be stubborn because he hasn’t won any titles.
i simply countered by offering that not winning titles doesn’t meant that RA isn’t a great coach thus implying that by being a great coach he’s earned the right to be stubborn.
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I never said he isn't great
And if you choose to take what I’m saying the way you are then fine. Let me ask you something. Would you like to be known as the best or settle for just being great? This is what it comes down to. That is what I want to know from you.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
i'm not going to change what i'm arguing about
when was this discussion ever about being great versus being the best? stop trying to change the subject.
do you disagree that you implied that adelman hasn’t earned the right to be stubborn about minutes? is your only reason for this that he hasn’t earned any titles? because that’s an awfully weak argument.
click here for: rockets playoff watch!
I am not arguing his right to be stubborn
You are doing that. Sure he has a right but so does any coach. I am saying that his style has not gotten him a title. Is that wrong? It is a fact. You never answered me though. Answer ,y question and don’t act like you don’t know what I am asking.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
I would have to argue that...
MJ and Kobe/Shaq are more of a reason why he doesn’t have a title. His team in Sacramento was definitely good enough to get it done and you can argue that, but his style can win a championship and very easily could have.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has becomes Houston's obsession
I can dunk a basketball
and very well could have before my achilles injury. Did I? No. Does it count for anything then? No. Rationalizations don’t make a not plausible.
TDS's resident dickhead.
@ Jake...If he retires after this season then
His style will not win a ring. He has been coaching longer than any current coach I believe, no rings and if I am correct no COY’s either. People like to call some guys regular season players or regular season teams but so far (and it is very far) he has been a regular season coach. 20+ years 2 finals appearances and that is not a knock on him. In his defense he has been ousted from the playoffs by Phil Jackson many of those times. Jackson, Popavich, and Sloan have been the only coaches in tha last decade to eliminate his teams from the playoffs. Is it fair to say he is losing to coaches better than him? I think so. Rick is a great coach but better coaches beat him when it counts most.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
fair enough argument...
but if that ball doesn’t bounce right to Horry to sink that 3 to defeat the Kings, then we’re not having this conversation at all because he would have won that year. I know if and buts.. yada yada… 2 of the coaches you mentioned Pop and Phil Jackson have won several championships, they have also had the best team in the NBA. Had Rick been given the opportunity to coach any of those Spurs or Lakers teams, I firmly believe he could have won with his style. But we can just agree to disagree.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
yes its better to be the best than be great
in other news, the grass is green, a basketball game is won by the team that scores more points and pluto is not a planet.
click here for: rockets playoff watch!
right, but that's not that different from political
although I’m not sure how it could be political(Damn that T-will voted for Palin!!!)
Practice time Batman
We don’t see what goes on in practice. Those 7.6 mpg in 11 games are only because TWill is not showing much out in practice time. Game time is earned, not handed out.
Bring on Mike Harris. Loved his game, and can’t wait to see him out there. With that said, I can’t wait to see Courtney Lee in the starting 5.
B^2
Organic Chemist PhD Student by day...Houston sports fan by night!
So you're at practice?
I fail to see why I should reject his analysis and believe yours because they’re both based on the same non-existent premise the way you worded it. You’re basically saying “We’re not privvy to practice, so believe my analysis on my non-practice viewing experience over his.”
TDS's resident dickhead.
by BD34 on Mar 21, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well he has the backup of Adelman's not playing T-Will at all
That would seem to indicate that T-Will’s not been the best guy at practice. Given his previous reputation, it wouldn’t be surprising.
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 21, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Has Rick really been predictable or reasonable this season?
30 point lead, starters logging nearly 40 minutes rather than clearing off the benches, multiple times this season.
TDS's resident dickhead.
thats what im afraid off
the wear and tear of our starters.he really had an ax to grind on T-Will..the way he “handcuffed” this guy on the bench..including T-Hash (well hes on the DL right now)..maybe he has a "selective first impression "on a certain guy and sadly its T-Will..
rick has been quite predictable
don’t mistake predictability for non-optimism.
he keeps starters in way too long. he also had a tendency early in the season to keep martin out way too long, but my thinking is that this was to preserve him for the stretch and the postseason.
regardless, nitroberg’s premise makes sense based on the outcome, unless you are one to cheer conspiracy theories. t-will isn’t playing despite being second on the depth chart at SF and mike harris was called up. that suggests that he is doing/has done something wrong, whether it is being disinterested in practice or sleeping with RA’s daughter or something.
no shit
you agree with yourself? damn, now there’s a conspiracy theory
Someone can't take a joke
Lighten up man. It ain’t that serious.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Is there any news of how bad Bud's injury is?
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 5:24 PM CDT reply actions
Mild-moderate sprain
Expected to be out a weak.
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 21, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
*Jinx*
….Knocks on wood.
I'm a household name... at my house.
by taylorrohrman on Mar 21, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
What will starters be on Wednsday?
Assuming Budinger is still injured what is our starting 5?
Will we start two shooting guards or two power forwards?
I’m guessing CLee gets the nod.
Lee would probably start
in our offense though, being an sf or sg doesn’t really matter. Martin will still be the first option, and Lee will be the guy in the corner. And against the Warriors, I’d rather see Lee on the floor a lot anyways.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like T-Will has been a bit of a whiny bitch
and even I fully agree with this statement.
TDS's resident dickhead.
The Rockets have wasted a draft pick then
Which would look bad on Morey. His value sure hasn’t increased since he gets no time. This is just stupid.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Not really
Morey got a pick from the Suns and one from the Grizzlies (although that may be down the line). I think he even said something about hitting big on one of his young players: Bud, T Will or PP…if one of them took the next step, it would be worth it.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
How is Williams not playing worth it
You are totally off topic here. How is it not a waste to trade a pick for a player you won’t even play? Make sense please.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Because they're all mostly pieces
in the long run missing on T Will won’t make much of a difference if he hits on PP and Bud (which it seems like he will). And now he has 2 extra first round picks to turn into something else. I wanna see T Will too man…but I’m just not as stirred up about it as you.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It's his first year
Morey has repeatedly said that it was a long-term acquisition. Say what you want about his amount of playing time, he always just ran iso’s for himself and tried to do something on his own. He did the same thing in NJ, there’s a reason he was traded. After a summer of practice and intense preparation, I think he can be a very nice complementary swingman. Right now, not so much.
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 21, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
He is only playing to his strengths
Isn’t that what he is supposed to do? And how can he learn an offense as complicated as Rick’s in 11 games and 7.6 minutes average? Am I asking invalid questions here?
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
If his strengths are holding the ball in the corner for 10 seconds
And then either wildly attacking the rim without a pick and throwing up a wild shot, taking a bad jumper, or perhaps making a nice pass, I don’t think he’s a player you want to build around…
Good players can operate in a system they don’t know with little to no adjustment time. Dragic came in and while he hasn’t lit the world on fire, plays hard and has been generally effective while keeping the offense flowing. The offense is basically a take on the Princeton offense which all players should know, and just because he doesn’t know the intricacies of it doesn’t mean that he can’t at least move the ball. The holding of the ball for 10 seconds ala McGrady is what is the biggest issue. Either make a move or move the ball. It’s that simple.
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 21, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
because no one teach you the offense in game
it’s why we print playbooks even in highschool
They aren't invalid
but him not running the plays when he was in, is what kept him on the bench. I think Feigen even wrote something about that, Rick didn’t like what he did with the ball when he was in. I’d say Rick is doing a good job because of the way the team has been performing, so I can’t really fault him too much for it.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't learn the offense in game time
you learn the offense in practices
also, t-will not getting minutes doesn’t mean his career as a rocket is over. we’re probably gonna see coaching changes at the end of the year. i’m sure morey factored everything into his decision.
Unfuckingbelievable.
This guy never gets a break.
We may as well sign Mike to a 2 year contract extension, just to further piss on T-Will.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Ok
Other than sulk, whine, run isos for himself on every possession, and shoot too many bad shots, what has T-Will done that merits playing time?
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 21, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Tweeted.
Let’s be real, he should have at least had an opportunity to prove himself post all-star break with Budinger out. The call up of Harris just emphasizes the raw deal he’s getting and I’m a guy that can’t really stand his attitude.
TDS's resident dickhead.
He's a helluva tweeter
You have two choices as a head coach. A guy you know who is going to work his ass off, rebound, take good shots, defend, and be smart or a jackass who is lazy, doesn’t play within the offense and doesn’t give 100% but has more talent. Who do you pick? I say you take the Mike Harris, but that’s just me. I haven’t seen anything from T-Will that makes me think that he merits court time.
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 21, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
To me part of it is incentivizing the issue.
Williams problem is he wants meaningful minutes. When you look at the long and short of it it’s a question of do you want the hard worker who can’t make it in the league or the freaky athlete with an attitude problem who went in the lottery?I feel like he has the skill just not the smarts but give someone the right stage or option and they’re usually going to chip in more than they did before, yea?
TDS's resident dickhead.
it's similar to the aaron brooks problem
AB didn’t put in quality minutes because he wanted to run with the first unit. however, brooks earned that time by putting in a stellar year last year. t-will basically has a sense of entitlement that is echoed here by bone and batman which he hasn’t deserved.
unless you’re a high profile talent coming out of HS/college you’re going to start out at the bottom of the rotation. wasn’t favors barely in the nets rotation at the start of the year? i may be wrong on that since i haven’t followed the nets closely.
you gotta show that you deserve the time. t-will and adelman have obviously not seen eye to eye on adelman’s offense and let’s face it, it’s RA’s team until he resigns/retires/gets fired/lets his contract expire.
Mike Harris?
It’s true, he never gets a break.
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plus makes R.A.. signs a lifetime extension
thats putting the final nail in the coffin..:)
Let's look on the bright side....
If we send Thabeet and Twill to the vipers, we are going to have one HELLUVA developmental league team.
Can you bet on the Vipers? Vegas have a line?
by albertchester on Mar 21, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Guys
I know that some of you just fucking love Terrence Williams, and I’m going to try to slow down the bashing of him, but has anyone noticed that with T-Will out Adelman has led us to 11 of 14 wins in a pretty decent schedule? Can we trust the all-time leader in winning percentage among Rockets coaches and a top 9 coach in wins to make personnel decisions?
Not to mention that people on this board have (probably) seen roughly zero minutes of Houston Rockets practice. Adelman has had no problem thrusting guys who work hard into an expanded role when injuries or trades call for it (Lee, Lowry, Budinger, Patterson). I’m sure that Williams just isn’t get shit done during practice. Either that or there is a secret conspiracy against him and we all need to go rile him up on Twitter so that he stops practicing and start whining and pouting more.
by seanbergmanrules on Mar 21, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He had Martin and Lee in front of him?
before that he was a rookie?
Reply to everyone who supports T-Will being politically raped
When he gets some real time, where ever it may be, you will all eat your words and shit them in a fanpost. It is rediculoous how you can faithfully support a guy not playing at all when his chances are there. This is supposed to be his chance to shut you people up but yet we sign a guy from the D-League and put SG to start and be an undersized SF instead of actually player the last SF you have on the roster. This is rubbish and the supporting of this is baffling. Now we all know he will not even get a chance. My point is why rent a car when you have one sitting in the garage that you haven’t driven in a while? Your other car is in the shop and you have a second car to drive yet you want to go rent a car to drive in the mean time? Does that make sense? If it does to you then you must be a spoiled rich kid who doesn’t know what to do with his money. Either you understand my point or just pass on a reply.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Hopefully he will do great when he gets real time
an offseason of direction and coaching will contribute to that tremendously.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
again with the heavyhanded threats
No we wont, because then he’ll actually run plays on the court
This borders dangerously on crazy conspiracy talk, if you ask me.
Playing a vet he trusts (Battier, Bud) over TWill in spite of talent/ability may be possible.
But what possible reason does RA have for playing Mike Harris over TWill other than basketball? He’s a nobody with little Rockets game experience.
hey, i was watching the local news just now...the sportscaster was Bob Allen who
i think sucks btw…he said Thabeet’s career with the Rockets is over…..all i know is that he was sent to the D league, not cut by the Rockets…what the hell is going on? i don’t trust that sportscaster. anyone want to chime in?
They should send Williams there too if they won't play him
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
This I can get behind
If you wanna go to the Bat Cave and figure out a plan to get him there, I’ll get my Robin costume
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 21, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldnt say over, but it'll determine wether he's worth the developmental time
and his pretty big option
The fact that we will miss bud is crazy
Considering not too long ago lots of people wanted to get rid of him.
If we want to make the playoffs, one player has to really REALLY step up.
Kevin martin
by AllenOU on Mar 21, 2011 7:56 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
utah is rolling over and dying for Memphis
Surprising no one, its the jazz after all.
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its typical crab mentality UTAH...
they intentionally play uninspired basketball….. just to get back on us.. how pathetic!
Somehow...
I don’t think that’s why they lost. Devin Harris got injured in the first quarter, that may have had more to do with it…
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 21, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
damn bro
we got some flippy flop fans….like a lil bit ago we was all excited bout getttin t will….den we hate da man even though we know nothin bout practice or anything…..we barely seen him play in da games bro…..jus sayin……so mike is betta cuz he did good in the d league? dats funny cuz im pretty sure dat t will avg a triple double there…..but ya yall right……whoeva wrote dis one post i read earlier is right….t will is the new t mac/AB…..why cant we jus stop hatin on T will and hate on B Miller or someone worth hatin on …..he actually gets pt and has a horrible attitude and ya he may play good sumtimes but dat dude still suck and has no upside…..t will got a upside and may have some downside but damn da dude still can get better lets stop hatin on dis cat ……..im not cryin he dont play and i havent seen batman do dat either he jus wanna kno wat is goin on….so do i…….damn we rockets fans and yall always gotta fine someone to hate on……
///////new flavor gatorade comin soon for dreamshakers……..very berry haterade…..wit t wills face on it….\\\\\\\
Ima d*ck so i shouldnt be dat hard to swallow
by mitmil22 on Mar 21, 2011 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ps yall talk shit bout t will being so horribble wit da ball?
i seen b miller try n drive like ten times for no reason? he actually gets pt and RA loves him pls tell me why B Miller gets so much PT ? he aint horrible but he aint good? has a horrible attitude…he get mad everytime he gets taken out……..T Will gives everyone high fives during time outs…….im jus sayin we some shady rockets fans…
////shaaaaady…….shaaaaady……aftermath\\
Ima d*ck so i shouldnt be dat hard to swallow
by mitmil22 on Mar 21, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
im with you..mitmill22
well.. favoritism that is for Brad “speed turtle” Miller..well if R.A resigns bring along his dog and go fishin..:)
i'm not sure how much of your posts to take seriously
brad miller is in the game because RA’s offense relies on a point center (or one pretending to be one, at any rate). even so, you’ll notice that miller didn’t get a minute in the utah game, so it may be that RA is finally coming around to the thought that a front court of P2 and chill is good enough.
i’m with you in that i cringe every time miller puts the ball on the floor. he should be there primarily to spread the floor with 3p shooting and to make those backdoor passes. and be a stable ball handler in that he doesn’t just turn it over.
miller hasn’t panned out as expected because he’s probably slightly over the hill than we expected before the season. if you think of it, though, miller was bought in to back-up yao. if we had our line-up healthy, our second unit would have been lowry, lee, budinger, hill and miller. apart from hill, everyone can shoot the three there and hill has worked on his low post scoring. you can see how miller spreading the floor would have been useful there.
i understand dat
da point was not to bash my step dad papa miller…..it was to show dat it is sumtin else otha den just not bein good enough….da point i made wit miller is dat he does stupid shit alot when he is in the game(which ppl keep sayin t will does in games)…given we do need him ta back up at da center position……this would be a perfect situation fa muh main man T-Will….am i wrong? yao down = more miller bud down =more …….. jus makin a point dat its more than talent…..i dont not like b miller i jus dont think t will is a worse option at sf due to injuries as b miller is to center due to yaoza being out…..
Ima d*ck so i shouldnt be dat hard to swallow
mike harris has been signed
okay… so has there been any notice where he’s going to be on the depth chart?
i doubt he’s going to step directly into the second unit given that he’ll probably have had a max of one practice with the team prior to the game.
i think harris is just being pulled in as a big body in case of foul trouble/further injuries.
that's my question too
Signing a PF isn’t going to help the relieve the backcourt unless you’re going to have a 4 filling in for the 3.
I suppose Harris or Patterson maybe seeing some time at SF? My question is are they fast enough to defend opposing SF’s?
isn't harris an SF?
he’d be undersized at PF iirc
"second unit" is misleading
Rockets aren’t playing 10 deep. Just because he may be ahead of TWill on the depth chart doesn’t mean he’s getting meaningful minutes. Mike Harris is a stop-gap guy. I expect the rockets to function with only 5 guys at the 3 backcourt positions. They can play 8-9 deep with this depth chart (in roughly descending order of minutes):
Lowry, Martin, Scola, Hayes, Lee, Patterson, Dragic, Hill/Miller
Another backcourt player really only becomes necessary if there’s another injury, suspension, or unusual foul trouble.
Sorry, that last post was a bad one.
I miscounted: Rockets got by in Utah with only 4 backcourt players, not 5, after Bud went down. DRagic only saw 9 minutes, though; it’s possible he plays a lot to pick up the slack. It will be interesting to see if RA wants to play everyone in the backcourt big minutes. It may mean that they need at least a quick 5-8 minute stint from either Harris or TWill. Could be interesting to see what happens with those minutes.
I'm happy for harris
And I’m happy the Williams doesn’t get to see the court. He has to learn some humility before anything else.
Who is T-Will
I do not understand all the love for T-Will. Seems he has already had more playing time than he deserves. The few times he was on the court he showed no interest in playing WITH the team. This is Basketball not golf or tennis. Basketball is a team sport and until T-Will decides to be a part of the team he should sit. RA has done a great job of developing some young players the last couple of years. Batman are you T-Will’s Mother or something
Adelman has developed youngsters in the same way New Orleans had every home with a swimming pool for a while.
It wasn’t asked for or wanted by them, it was forced upon them. Brooks’s improvement? Forced play after trading Alston. Budinger’s improvement? Forced to start after the Battier trade. Patterson’s extended minutes? Only after an injury to Scola.
RA doesn’t develop youngsters on his own accord, injuries do it.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Well he did give them minutes off the bench
injuries play a part in who starts and who gets more minutes, but it’s not like he didn’t develop them before the trades or injuries happened. That’s why they played well when given the opportunity, they were being developed.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 22, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a little unfair
When Aaron Brooks earned his minutes after playing behind what looked like 5 PGs his rookie year, When Budinger average 20 minutes his rookie year, Carl Landry wasnt force into action by any particular injuries
Aaron played well, then management traded Alston, leaving Brooks as the only PG.
Budinger played well but if I recall correctly, Battier was going slow during Budinger’s rookie year. If you’re intimating that Yao played a full 82 games in Landry’s emergent season then I would certainly hope you re-charge your memory because we played Scola at the 5 and slipped Landry in or put Deke at the 5 and tossed in Landry when Scola needed a breather.
TDS's resident dickhead.
you forgot the whole string of games Landry's rookie year
When Yao is still healthy
If I recall correctly
Landry played strong in limited minutes but it was always an injury issue that opened up things for him.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Injuries presented itself for his minutes to increase
once the flood gate opened, he wasnt shoved back to the bench, his minutes increase prior to Yao’s injuries
leaving Brooks as the only PG???
Lowry was part of the Alston deal. As for everything else, yes injuries and trades have forced young guys to play, but I’m going to assume RA knows what he’s doing.
does it matter how he develops them when you look at the results?
do you think budinger would have been an all star or brooks the mvp candidate if adelman had thrust them in earlier? because if they wouldn’t have, then it doesn’t really matter how they got their minutes, because it worked.
It really does matter how they're developed as a fan.
With the amount that this board is willing to piss and moan about everything it truly does matter. Accelerated development comes through being thrust into the games (See Rudy Gay and any other rookies who see big minutes in their first year). Who is to say that being thrown into the fire wouldn’t have helped some of our players? Impact players can come from anywhere in the draft but it’s the exposure and the learning that differentiates them. Most players develop quickly when they see big minutes and HAVE to be that guy. Hill saw much more progress as he got a defined role to fill and this is more the average than drafting an Olajuwon player.
TDS's resident dickhead.
There's alway counter-example as well for guys getting thrusted in and recieve no benifits
I cant even definitely say that more players received the benefit than not from immediate minutes. Sure the success are easier to remember, but who’s to say those guy arent actually more ready?
Examples please
BD did give one in Rudy Gay. I want to see your examples from your argument. Not taking sides but I just want to get a better perspective.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Randy Foye certainly played and not lived up to his mini D-wade reputation with the Wolves
Adam Morrison played so much his rookie year, he didnt improve a bit. Marvin Williams still in and out of the lineup since he was drafted. Rafael Araujo was the 8th pick like Rudy, started most of the game his rookie season, but played so poorly he couldnt stay on the court for an extended time. Look at Yi, what’s he doing now a days.
Just to give a counter to Adam Morrison, J. J Redick took him time, improve his defense, improved his understanding of the pro game, now an important part of the Magics. So it’s not strictly limitation of talent in some cases
Ok i get
I guess you have a point. But that doesn’t mean everyone who takes that road will face the same fate. I just want to see guys improve because if one player improves then the team improves.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Yes, doesnt mean everyone will end up being Brando Roy and Rudy Gay either
Point is the coin can flip both ways.
A lot of time players say playing themselves into shape, playing themselves into the system. Sometimes it’s irresponsible, you dont always get to step on the court and all those hard works other people did you magically acquire.
All we can see is the way they play, and it’s the only way we can tell if they are ready and improving.
But we are not the coaching staff.
We dont get to see these guys hit the gym, we dont get to see these guys react and respond in practice. We dont get to see player looking through film session and scouting reports. They have other ways to tell if a player is ready
it doesn't matter, BD
this board pisses and moans about everything. that’s our job as fans since we have no real connection with the players or the coaching staff. everyone here is as ignorant as everyone else—it’s just that some people are more eloquent than others.
the reality of the situation is that the only fact we have to dissect is the results—the rest is just speculation.
the way i look at this is let’s look at the ceilings of budinger (a 2nd year player) and brooks (a 4th year player). would they have been any closer to their ceilings if RA had just thrust them in soon after they were drafted?
with budinger there’s a case to be made as his numbers have seen an improvement since battier left. but we have no idea how much of this has to do with the mentorship he received from battier while on the bench.
i think RA is a good coach because he lets his players work his way into his offense rather than adjusting his offense to suit his players. there are valid arguments going both ways which one is better—i just think the former is better because all NBA players are legitimate basketball players and it takes a well-defined offensive/defensive scheme to be successful. this is why t-will is in the doghouse—because he has to learn that the rockets offense is more than just ISO or simple pick-and-rolls. until he learns that, he’s not going to get into RA’s offense. although it looks like RA will leave at the end of the season, so everyone will start with a blank slate.
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I think there is a far more compelling case that exposure and work out of the gate
nets a player better results than a year of riding the bench to see garbage minutes at best. It quells attitude problems and demands results. The hitch in this argument, however, comes with the condition of the teams upon the draft. If you’re team is competing, it’s not expected to run rookies out asap. This team is rebuilding this year and arguably should have began last season, which impedes more of a duty to play youth consistent and valuable minutes to develop them as either trade pieces or legitimate players. It is a boom or bust strategy that quickly cuts through the bullshit and allows evaluations of players as well.
As far as the pissing and moaning, it’s one thing to have legitimate complaints, it’s another to whine about everything that comes your way. If you can’t be pleased then kindly pipe down and get to the back of the line. It gets annoying to see the same complaints lodged time and time again even when the complaints have to be molded to fit the fact that they’re defeated.
TDS's resident dickhead.
well the development was held up by the whole yao thing
i’m pretty sure 95% of the fanbase and the coaching staff expected yao to breakdown at some point this year but couldn’t get themselves to admit it.
if we don’t make it to the playoffs and make some ripples, i can see us going in another direction next season, especially with a new coach.
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I have no clue what you're talking about. At all.
Brooks was playing good minutes well before the Alston trade, and was generally finishing out the games instead of Alston. He wasn’t starting, but that was pretty much only because Alston would have thrown a fit if he was taken out of the starting lineup, which we saw happen to him in Miami when Chalmers started to start over him. Brooks’s development is not more important than a locker room meltdown, especially in a year where you were contending. And even then he got good minutes.
Budinger showed stuff in the summer leagues got minutes from the very beginning – yeah he wasn’t starting, but he was the back-up SF, and it was understandable, as you’re not going to demote Battier “just because”. And Adelman kept giving him good minutes even when he was playing like a D-Leaguer at the start of this season.
Patterson didn’t play because he was behind a top 15 PF in this league, and Adelman instead tried to develop Hill at first. You’re also acting like he was sitting pine before Scola’s injury. After Hill showed he was inconsistent, Patterson slowly began to grab more and more minutes around January and slowly transitioned into the main back-up. Why don’t you complain about how Hill basically didn’t play at all between mid-January and Scola’s injury instead?
Adelman is not going to treat any rookies like the way D-Wade was treated his first way in Miami, because he hasn’t had a single rookie worth throwing everything out the door for. That’s why T-Will doesn’t play. I’ve said it before – T-Will’s playing style reminds me of McGrady a lot. But McGrady was one of the most talented, if not THE most talented player this last decade, so system didn’t matter. T-Will is to put it mildy, not at that level.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Hahah
Were you guys not also the same guys saying Rick should be putting thabeet in more?
Yeah after seeing him in the RGV game yesterday there is no way that guy can get minutes in a real NBA game yet.
I agree it might be a good idea to send TWill down there too to get some pt and learn the offense.
I'm so grateful you're not now, nor will you ever be, a talent evaluator.
Thabeet put up 11 points on 5-5 shooting with 6 boards and 4 blocks on a team he had no time to practice with and a team that had NO interest whatsoever in playing basketball but rather shooting. I’ll take Thabeet’s ability to get in the right spot on defense and intimidate shots for a team with little to no paint presence outside of a charge.
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He seemed to be the only one with the right rotations on defense
just needs some coaching and confidence.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 22, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
This is an example of being reasonable, something that this board picks and chooses when to be.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
To disagree doesn't mean both aren't being reasonable
doesn’t mean either side is wrong
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 22, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Proper Development
The way they have done has been working. The last 3 years they have worked on young players in practice and the d-leage. Then as they have earned it, some time off the bench. Sure because of injuries they have been forced to fast foward sometimes. Players need to practice hard and take advantage whenever they get game time with effort and team play. This is why it is so important to mix young players with experienced players on the floor together for proper DEVELOPMENT of young players. Putting all young players on the floor just to play them is not the right way. There has to be a lot of work by the player and coaching staff BEFORE a player sees the court in a NBA game. Shortcuts rarely work.
i've long thought that
This whole twill situation as far as lack of pt was done in an effort to force him to grow up a little, break him if you will. This mike harris signing proves it. Though I love harris’ game and always felt he brought positive contributions to our team when he was with us.
While I’m not sure how I feel about said strategy it may be best in the long run if we can get a player of twills considerable athletic abilites to reign in his personal issues and play some team ball.
It would help us and him very much as I feel that ir he could shake the attitude concerns his stock, and salary demans would rise considerably.
One thing is for sure though, after having to deal ith tmac, this team is deadset on taking a no-bs approach to dealing with attitude, esp from players not commanding 20mil in salary and without the gifts mcgrady possesed.
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Mar 22, 2011 12:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
RA and Coching staff have done a great job of youth development while still winning games. A lot of the credit should also go to the veterens such a Battier, Chuck and Scola that have helped bring them along. When you look at our top 9 players: 1 is a rookiie, 2 on 2nd year, 2 on 3rd year. Lowry is 25, Chuck is 27, Kevin is 28 and only Scola is low 30s. This ia a young team winning games with a future. We have no long term BAD contracts and still have a young 7’3 project and T-Will if he wakes up and gets with the program. We just need a starting center with some size. The future is bright.
I would too... eventually
Fact is right now he is the best rebounder on the team, so he would be the best rebounder on the floor. If he’s on the perimeter, that improves the chances of the opposing team’s ability to dominate offensive rebounds. Which besides team defense, is the team’s weakest department. Now if there a for sure rebounder at the 4 or 5 position and hopefully next year there will be, then yeah, I would love to see him play on the wing and further develop an already ok outside jumpshot. But for right now, I think he belongs in paint area on defense especially.
Yes But
I agree that he is a 4. He has been great on d and the boards. Hill has been playing better off the bench lately and with Scola back the 4 is our deepest position. If Patterson can play some 3 we will be bigger and should be better on the boards as a team.
Yeah I agree as a team
and the good thing about him is that he can play both positions whether they decide to go big or small. He’s got the ability and ceiling to be that great pick and roll face up shooter or roll to the basket and finish.
Mike is great on d
but those minutes should go to Lee and TWill. Its like if TWill makes one bad choice on the court he is back on the bench in the dog house. When we played Boston Pierce killed Bud, and when we finally put Lee on him to slow him down we blew them out. TWill is also a good defender and will be in need when we play teams with good physical threes. TWills offensive game is better then Mike Harris, but I like how Harris plays.
by since86rocketsfan on Mar 22, 2011 3:40 PM CDT reply actions
Other than the first few minutes of the game
Bud did a great job on keeping Pierce in front of him. He’s done a good job on defense so far.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 22, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Those minutes is what I am
talking about. After Pierce blew past him once, he knew he could do it over and over, and continued too into Lee came in. Bud has improved on D this year, but he is the starter. Which means he guards Lebron,Carmelo,Durant,Iggy,Pierce if that team is in town. To me Bud has made the most improvement by driving to the hole more instead of just shooting.
by since86rocketsfan on Mar 22, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
some of that was in transition though
they were running a bit at the start of the game. After that, Bud did really well.
by twinkilling0303 on Mar 22, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
No, there coach knew Bud could
not hold him as well, thats why he kept calling plays for Pierce. I can remember three straight times Pierce blew past Bud. We came out hot but couldn’t get a good real early lead because Pierce would come down and score.
by since86rocketsfan on Mar 23, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Read the sports page
today where coach A is talking about Mike Harris guarding Lebron. He also admitted there will be times lke against Pierce when other threes will be more stronger, and taller then Bud and Harris could also see some time there.
by since86rocketsfan on Mar 24, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Rotation
I do not think the rotation should include Mike or T-Will. If Bud cannot go we need to make some minor adjustments with our current rotation players. Between Lee taking the bulk of minutes and Dragic playing more 2 combined with some 3 from Kevin and Patrick we will be OK for 1 game.
Gotta look at the opponents...
Ok you’ve got Golden State coming in and besides Lee who’s going to guard Al Thornton and Dorrell Wright? Both of those players are 6’8" and taller and both see time at the 3. No way Dragic or K Mart can defend one on one. Not to mention Radmonovic and Epke Udoh.
Mike is insurance
I think the only reason we signed Mike is mostly for practice. We finally are in a strech of time with some practice. Mike seems to have a good attitude and is familiar with the team which can be a big help. Sitting the bench he is some insurance just in case.
I think Mike will
get minutes against Lebron, because he is too big for Bud and Lee. Lee can stay in front of him unlike Bud ,but Lebron can post him up.Besides Hayes, Mike Harris can defend him the best. Just think if we had a good defensive center, then we could put Hayes on the other teams best 4,3, and some twos. Can Yao finally come thru next year and stay healthy to put us over the top? Who knows
by since86rocketsfan on Mar 22, 2011 6:18 PM CDT reply actions
hayes is not fast enough to cover 2s
you’ll notice that hayes is best against post-up players.
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fast enough to destroy Pirece though
but that’s irrelevant
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