hasheem thabeet
by Samarth Sulhan on Mar 27, 2011 1:53 PM CDT
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last night thabeet had 14 points and 12 rebounds (7 offensive), went 5-10 from the field and 4-4 from the line
he also had 3 blocks and 4 steals with only 2 fouls in 30 minutes of play!
The Vipers do a great job with players (aaron brooks, patrck patterson) and not to mention they won the dleague championship last year. I would love to see Thabeet next season all developed and putting up numbers like this
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Someone else besides BD and myself says something positive about Thabeet?
I must be dreaming.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
That just means there's a shitstorm coming for this thread showing that Thabeet is getting direction and work.
Gonna rec this post because it’s like the Sergio Llull ones, great to see how our players are developing.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I don't think everyone else was being negative
They just disagreed with the suggestion of throwing him into our lineup and just… seeing what happens. We can all agree that it is good to see his development in the D-League – this was the best move by management. It’s going to be exciting to see what he can do next season.
All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.
by hornedfrogrocket on Mar 27, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
If I may direct your attention to the Daryl Morey Read this thread
And the shitstorm that erupted. Calling a guy a bust in his second year is a short-sighted thing and this board seems to revel in it.
TDS's resident dickhead.
True
but you can’t judge the masses over the opinions of a few.
I'm a household name... at my house.
by taylorrohrman on Mar 27, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It's an opinion that has been voiced more so by the masses than the few.
Which is what causes the hostility.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Damn you beat me to it
The stats says only some of it
After watching while listening to who must be the worst announcer alive, I hope he’s not the person taking stats as well.He literally confused every single player on the Vipers with each other, and often refer to the team as Texas or Austin. Frequently mistaken Faye for Thabeet.
The positive is that Thabeet’s positioning is already leaps and bounds better than when he started out, defensively very aware of the floor, deflected a couple passes and stole some, He’s consistently in the paint for rebound when the shots are up, and his free throw stroke looks picture perfect, elbow bent straight at the rim. Had some nice dunks of penetration pass offs, and a couple jumpers.
Negative, BJ Mullens was 8 of 12, partially because Thabeet keep losing the guy off a score and never recovered, or Mullens just beats him down the court on a fast break. While he has 12 rebounds, he’s not exactly instinctual to defensive rebound rebound. He was active at swooping in for offensive rebounds, so his eyes are on the ball now compare to when he started out. There are several occasion when he’s not out of position because of trying to block shots, but still ended up not getting the rebound because of mistiming. I’m not sure he’s in shape, and I dont know why, because even if you’re not playing, you should still keep yourself in shape. It’s very clear, especially the second half, he’s consistently trailing on play, not able to run on fast breaks either way. Feels like he’s not in the game fully, some plays he’s picture perfect on awareness and decision making, but on some plays, he’s just out of it, standing around not following the play.
It’s also very clear that he needs to add muscle fast, it’s very easy to push him out of position, I recommend Yao’s trainer
oh also got a T, jawing with an opposing player, and continue to jaw with him and the ref. Display is good, but dont make a habit of jawing at refs, bigmen will never get love from them
Overall I’d say Thabeet upgraded from clueless to inconsistent
oh forgot, had some issue finishing at the rim
if it’s not a dunk
I watched the game and I liked what I saw
Still, it’s clear to me that this guy is far away from a legit NBA center. His footwork absolutely sucked, he lost BJ Mullens time after time, and he’s way too fucking skinny. He’s not coordinated enough to rebound at the level where he should be (he should be an elite rebounder with his length and athleticism), and he got out of position to block shots a few times.
Ok that was the bad. Here are the good things that I saw. He’s really tall. Ok, you knew that. But he’s really tall. He’s really athletic. Oh, you knew that too? Well, his mid-range game looked a lot better than what I saw when I watched him in Memphis last year, his free throw stroke was definitely improved (it was really inconsistent last year and in college), and he was certainly active on the offensive boards.
The fact is that it’s tough to judge from this game because it’s so much different from the NBA game. The players are smaller, the defenses worse, but the fact that he played well in a game against a center similar to someone he’ll see in the NBA (BJ Mullens) is very encouraging. I haven’t been swayed yet, but he certainly played well.
Didn't see the game but those are impressive numbers...
But the fact still lies in that the Houston Rockets could pay me, you, Terri Schiavo, and Elizabeth Taylor 5 million dollars next season. And they would get the same production as they would with Hasheem Thabeet.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Must be good for confidence
I read somewhere that Thabeet was taken back that they are willing to work hard with him and show so much attention to him here. As others have stated, I just don’t know if it will be worth the contract unless he can be fast-tract. We need a center and we have over 25 million allocated to that position and still Chuck has to play it.
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All we need him to be is
A paint protector on defense and a clean up man on offense. Everything else is a bonus.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
inspired by brooks and ppat
he found home in houston…good production…keep it up t-hash
by jecrox11 on Mar 28, 2011 3:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
T-Mac, T-Will and now T-Hash?
What’s next, D-Gor?
Considering the options available
if we can develop Thabeet into a serviceable center it will be very good thing. If you look at the depth at that position in the league, even though it is one of the most well paid positions, it is clear that good 5s are tough to come by. If he can give us defense, rebounding, and enough offence to make other teams guard him we will come out ahead. I think the effort that we are investing in him will also resonate well with him on a personal level. A lot of guys on this team have outplayed the “league opinion” that existed about them before they got here. There is something to be said for having someone believe in you when others don’t.
Defending the trade and bashing Thabeet at the same time.
1) Thabeet was a throw in to a trade where the real value was in the draft pick. We still have to pay the guy millions to play in the D League. The trade was a decent one considering we were loosing Battier anyway and apparently no one was offering anything more than Memphis was. Morey doesn’t deserve shit for this trade unless another, better player was actually on offer from another team for Battier’s expiring contract.
2) Thabeet still sucks…and probably always will. Wishful thinking is all there is to this. The same people have been bashing RA for TWill’s non-play because they think that if we traded for a player then they must be worth playing.
I hope the guy improves his confidence, for his own sake, and if he can build up to Hill’s current ability then great but I doubt he gets anything more than that ever.
The draft pick was lotter protected
I think Morey was taking more of a chance on Thabeet than we think. And in turn giving playing time to our younger players like Bud and Lee
That trade served so many purposes in one small move.
1.) Freed up playing time for the younger players (Wish I could put T-Will on this list, honestly) like Bud and Lee because of the jam we had developed.
2.) Got a draft pick to continue to rebuild for a guy who wasn’t going to be back.
3.) Got a Center who could remedy our defensive issues with some development.
4.) Financial flexibility was maintained via the team option on Thabeet’s contract and shaving a couple million off the current payroll.
TDS's resident dickhead.
my thoughts exactly
Your a lot more organized with your writing and thoughts than this college sophomore
No story here...
Problem is, he ALWAYS plays better in D-League games, thats why Memphis kept bringing him back, not sure why he’s unable to do so in the majors, maybe he needs the right coach or more playing time, his problem with the Grizz seemed to be, when he got playing time, he couldnt defend without fouling, he’ll come in the game in the 2nd quarter, get 3 quick fouls and head back to the bench in less than 10 minutes, he needs a good mentor and an organization who is dedicated to making him a star on the team
Nah, He's actually still looking pretty raw
Just way more processions and shorter players, so inflates his stats. The point is to see his development
Hmmmmmm
I wonder why he’s able to play well in the D-League but not in the majors. Talent level of the competition, perhaps? It’s ludicrous to suggest that a guy who’s getting 14 and 10 in the D-League would post the same numbers at the top level.
Patrick Patterson played well in the D-League
It is about getting better not about putting up the same numbers. Patterson progressed and look at him now. We are hoping Thabeet can also progress. Is that wrong? That is the purpose of the D-League.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
We use the D-League
in a more structured way than most. They run all our sets, and defensive rotations. It allows our young guys to “play our system” without getting floor time with the team. Yes the numbers are not transferable to NBA minutes, but it is more valuable than most D-League assignments, IMHO.
More important, hearing a crowd go nuts when you get a block is different than getting a block in practice. I personally think blocks are the most exciting play in the game, (Dream chasing down Starks for the block in game 7 was the best of all-time)! The way that kid can block shots, he should have that place rockin, and that has to be good for his mental state. Let him get conditioned to equate blocked shots with “place goes crazy and other coach calls time out”, and you might have something special.
The D-League is nothing but wanna-be's
hawking up as many jumpers as they can so when their crew or entourage back home check the box score they will have points. That’s it. It’s like an all-star game. There’s no defense played until the final minutes when the outcome will be decided. Also, there’s about 17 people there at the game. So if Hasheem were to put up numbers in the valley, big freaking deal. Patrick Patterson as sad as it sounds is Houston’s best rebounder. When given the opportunity, he took full advantage and worked his butt off to get more minutes. You have to want to be great, and the same can’t be said for HT.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
It's good to know Xavier from X-Men is here to read people's mind and say what they think
I think it’s good to have a D-League because the NBA is getting very young and more talented. Some guys just don’t have a chance to see time on the floor so instead of having them rot n the bench it’s good to have some place for them to hone their skills and gauge their talents. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Hasheem is getting attention from a great staff and is making strides down there in the RGV. He will be working with the big man staff all summer in Houston and we will really see what he is made of come next season. You just come off as a guy who just feels more comfortable going with the popular notion that Thabeet will suck just so you can look cool and fit in with the crowd. How about taking the time to analyze a situation and thinking it through to come up with a thought out opinion instead of going only by what you hear fans say. Wouldn’t you rather go with what you see and hear from the guys who are around him and coaching him up? You are smarter than this Jake.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
I'm not blindly forming opinions on HT.
But all we can go off is what we’ve seen, and it’s not been much. I’m not trying to look cool or fit in with the cool crowd. Everything I’ve heard about HT from the Memphis media is consistant with what we’ve actually seen. The guy lacks the desier, passion, and fortitude to be great. He doesn’t have a high basketball IQ. He was simply more of a throw in to make a trade work and not an answer to anything. Unfortunately, people here in Houston think he’s a formidable answer to the position. And when you say I should go with what I see and hear… well the writing was on the wall in last night’s Philly game. No, not the shitty play in the paint. But when Bill and Clyde were talking with Tad about the future of the team next season. And while he politically correct mentioned Yao Ming and healthy, he also talked about bringing a big man in. Not one word was mentioned about HT. This all goes back to my signature, I think it’s true, you don’t and that’s fine. But I followed some Memphis fan sites after the trade and not only were they excited about Battier, they were just as thrilled about dumping HT. In fact, it was considered retribution for sending Stromile back their way. Also, here’s a little post-trade excerpt from Chris Vernon who’s like the Grizzlies’’ Craig Ackerman. You don’t have to agree with me, but I don’t post on here to look cool, be cool, or try to fit in. I can actually back up my thoughts and opinions.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fcbshouston.files.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F02%2Fchrisvernoninterview2.mp3&podcast_name=Chris+Vernon+Interview&podcast_artist=Mike+Meltser&station_id=63&audio_link=true&config_file=config.xml&dcid=CBS.HOUSTON
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Backing up your thoughts and opinions by regurgitating other people's thoughts and opinions
isn’t really backing anything up. It’s doing exactly what Bat accused you of, hiding in a crowd rather than relying on picking it apart yourself.
So, Memphis fans and media doesn’t like Thabeet, awesome, he’s a second year guy who needs work, the entire league knows that. Labeling him a bust because he didn’t sweep in and save that abortion of a franchise is not really his fault, it’s a problem that began with Heinsley and worked its way down like a cancer.
We’ve got him in the development league, he’s working with Houston’s staff, in interviews it’s coming across that the light is turning on and he’s thankful to actually have staff working with him (What do you know, the main thing the few Houston Hasheem believers said needed to happen to give him a chance and it’s happening!) and we have an entire summer to tack on progress as well.
Imagine that, rather than citing someone else’s commonly held and short-sighted opinion using independent thought to formulate an opinion and expand upon it pans out! Holy crap!
TDS's resident dickhead.
Nope actually I just use common sense
and see a guy who can’t crack line-up who’s supposed stregnth is the team’s greatest weakness. Forget about where he was drafted, how much money he’s already made and or will make, and all the HT haters hating. The guy has gone from starting 13 games and logging 13 minutes a game in his rookie year to finishing his second in the developmental league. If I still have to prove a case as to why I’m not high on this guy, then I’ve once again over-estimated the fellow human race, but this is a sports board so I will keep it relative. I mean all roads lead to this guy not being any kind of answer to our complex center problem. But a 14 and 10 game in the d league should change everything right???
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Again you miss any rational basis for an opinion and attempt to flaunt some superiority online.
It’s funny. I’m citing his progress in play and you harp on the D-League like it’s a sure sign a player is shit. In that case, several Rockets players, including Patterson, are shit. This has been thrown at your feet before but you ignore it, so clearly it makes no difference to present you with rational thought because you’ll ignore it when it disagrees with your standpoint.
You also factor out the coach in asserting the line up cracking as an issue. Any guy playing starters 40+ minutes in a 30 point blowout, I’m not trusting that argument line.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Patterson isn't a fair comparison....
Mostly because halfway through his rookie season he was called up and inserted into the rotation and there’s no looking back. He will never be back in the D-League (only if he comes back from an injury and needs game conditioning) and by the end of his second season he may be a starter as opposed to HT in RGV. He hustles and works his butt off and is the team’s best rebounder. He still makes a lot of mistakes defensively, but his hustle and effort make up for it. You can tell his game has developed and he’s only going to get better. It’s hard to make a case for HT and how far he’s come or not come since his rookie year. You can blame Adelman for his rotations and players’ minutes and that’s justifiable. As far as HT becoming an impact player during the summer… Don’t hold your breath. It’s not like a wing player who can develop a jumper… His position requires a lot of hard work and high IQ. Add to that a possibility of a new coach and new schemes/plays, can’t help his case.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
You just gonna change the parameters every time you're wrong?
Or are you ever going to admit it?
TDS's resident dickhead.
"The guy lacks the desier, passion, and fortitude to be great."
These are things that T-Will has but you don’t like him either.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
No not at all... I don't have anything against T-Will
and I’m not a T-Will hater. In fact I think he’s gotton a raw deal. I’ve always felt that rotations are 8-9 players deep and him not playing is just a numbers game. I don’t like his attitude and some of his tweets, but he’s matured a lot this season. But going back before the T-Will trade I was actually high on Jermaine Taylor, and always thought he should be given more minutes.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
i'm on thabeet's side here
i wasn’t of the opinion that he should’ve been thrown into regular season NBA games especially when we were looking to make the playoffs but i don’t think he’s a sure thing bust.
a lot of the 5’s in the league have emerged after a few years of riding the pine and being no-names. the difference is that these guys weren’t drafted high. the guy i’m looking at specifically is deandre jordan.
the guy is hardly having a career year, but he’s doing what he needs to, now that his role is slightly better defined.
the problem with thabeet is that he’s always going to be marked as being the #2 pick. that’s not our fault, that’s the grizzlies fault for picking him that high. sure, he’ll never be as good as that #2 pick, but if a guy like deandre, who was picked 35th, can turn into a serviceable guy, i have no reason to completely write off thabeet.
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You're on to something when you say always being marked the #2 pick
But when you say it’s not our fault, it’s the grizzlies fault… Well Memphis one upped us when they dumped him and his salary on our face and made it our fault. DeAndre Jordan is a great example of a guy who you can take a chance on. Second round, very raw, small risk, decent reward. Would you agree that paying an un-proven guy 5 million a season and hoping he becomes servicable isn’t the best decision financially? DeAndre has made about a little over 2 million in his career (3 yrs) and Thabeet about 9. Ironic that it’s a Clipper, usually they are on the bad end of shitty deals.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
hey, we're the team that paid TMac $23M and Yao $32M (2 yrs) to get rehab for their injuries.
Seeing we can’t draft nor attract a serviceable big man, I say we’ll take the gamble with Thabeet for another $6M. As long as he can learn to stay on the court to intimidate opponents in the post, we can make use of him.
Heck, we pay Brad Miller to play games occasionally, don’t we?
by RoxBeliever on Mar 28, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd for common sense
Unfortunately it’ll go wasted on this dude.
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by BD34 on Mar 28, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not going to say Thabeet sucks or whatever
But your argument doesn’t hold any water. Regardless of whoever the players are, poor financial decisions in the past shouldn’t justify fiscal irresponsibility in the future. Poor contract decisions with Miller/Yao/McGrady shouldn’t change the Rockets thinking. If they think he’s worth the money, they should pick up the option. If they don’t they shouldn’t. It’s as simple as that in my opinion.
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 28, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd.
Like BD said, for common sense.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Mar 29, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
its not our money so it doesn't matter if we're paying it or not
it’s les’ money. the only time it will really become a problem is if it causes cap issues but with bigger contracts, a top rookie contract is unlikely to become a big problem for les
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You would think it's that simple,
but unfortunately it may break several TDSers hearts if they cut ties.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
In reply to your sig (it's just that obnoxious. I can't not comment on it):
We are “obsessed” with Thabeet because we have a 6’6" center. We are easily the smallest team in the NBA. We are excited (aka obsessed to you) that we have a center who can potentially become a defensive monster, which is what we are desperately lacking.
He’s a raw player, that will take time to develop. I agree, he is overpaid. We’re paying him 6 million for him to develop in the D-League, but it’s a risk that I’m willing to take.
He can already block shots at an elite rate (led the league last year in blocks per 48 minutes), and has shown some offensive promise.
Your only beef with him is his contract. You may think he is a bust, but he’s not. He didn’t deserve to be taken number 2 overall, just like Jordan Hill did not deserve to be taken number 8 overall.
Again, he is a project. All I can say to you is have patience with him. There is a thing called player development. Memphis is notoriously known for having shitty player development, where we have great player development, especially in the PF/C area.
Keep on hating on Thabeet though, as you have no basis. Not like you had one to begin with anyway.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Mar 29, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Players don't develop
That is why Kobe never became shit.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Really? Kobe Bryant?
Kobe Bryant is a freaking super-star. He was NBA ready his junior year in HS. He was the Naismith High School Player of the year. And you are comparing him or his development to Thabeet? A guy who at the end of his second year shouldn’t even be on the floor. Congrats on a shittey comparison.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I will keep things relative and give you a better comparison
Tyson Chandler. A big man drafted 2nd overall by the Clippers immediately traded to the Bulls. At this point in his career, he’s a pretty good center. He’s helped Dallas solve defensive problems at the position. He would be a nice addition as a free agent to any team this summer. However, with the Bulls he sucked balls for 5 years. Anyone remember Chicago from 2001-2006? He never developed into anything, and they were held hostage with his contract and lack of development. I would say if Hasheem develops into what half of what Tyson is today, it would be a mild upset. But it’s Houston that will be suffering with his contract hoping he pans out. I don’t think you guys are aware of how a bad player’s contract can haunt a franchise, especially at a position where this franchise has been haunted.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
When you consider the contract has a team option either this year or the next
your idea of “haunting” is horribly skewed. If by haunted you mean “particularly harmless” then you’re right on point.
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dont get too attached,
Thats all im saying. I give his chances of solving the center problem here in houston as much as I do yao ming
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by jake_471 on Mar 29, 2011 7:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You and I are very different people.
Add to it that your major reason for concern has been exposed and you have nothing.
TDS's resident dickhead.
youre defending a guys potential
Whos currently in the d league and I have nothing? You know my stance, I’ve kept my stance and will keep it. As for me and you, you’re totally right we are two very different people. Im comfortable with myself to the point where I don’t have to create a dream world trying to be a billy badass behind a computer screen because my real life sucks. Im not sure what’s going, its not my and I don’t care, but translating hostility to the internet isn’t the answer.
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by jake_471 on Mar 29, 2011 9:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
also and getting back to the point
I think you really like Hasheem and thats cool he’s a likable guy and youbwant to root for him. But its getting in the way of recognizing the situation the organization is put in
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by jake_471 on Mar 29, 2011 9:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Way to go straight to the "Wahh, you're a cyber bully!" card.
It’s not very becoming. Thabeet is in the D-League, but a lot of players have been in the D-League so I fail to see your point. Thabeet is in the D-League, he’s 7’3" with a 7’6" wingspan and making consistent steps towards improvement. You complain about his contract, we’ve squandered tons of money and we pay Brad Miller roughly the same as Thabeet with no upside, worse defense, and make worse decisions than Hasheem. You care to look down on Thabeet over nothing.
TDS's resident dickhead.
yep, weve squandered tons of money
And miller is definitely overpaid and that contract is going to look worse and worse. So does investing more money at the same position to a guy who is a" project" with" potential" to someday be" serviceable" seem justifiable? I really don’t think he’s the answer, and I do believe he was just a throw in to a trade or another piece to a bigger trade. I can only hope right.
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by jake_471 on Mar 29, 2011 9:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What you fail to realize is that
This was the best way to get a C without giving up too much. Face the facts here, there are no centers available and the ones that are would require us to give up more assets than they are worth. Next best thing is to trade for a young C with upside and try to develop him into a viable player. If you don’t think that makes sense then I feel sorry for you in life.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
You're diminishing him when you say "serviceable" and you have no timeline on "project".
It’s just like environmentalists pissing and moaning about things being “toxic”. Toxic is specific to amount, nutmeg is toxic in large quantities, safe in small. You say project and serviceable because they are vague terms with negative connotations but you never legitimately define them or give them any weight.
We got Thabeet, a big man with defensive tools in need of direction. We are a team with a proven track record with big men and helping to mold them. Define your terms or just admit you have no justifiable reason for your doubt. Would you rather continue the prayer that someone will give us big money for our minor pieces or take charge and create the guy that fills our need? No one is handing out quality centers, Brad Miller is clearly not an answer, Yao is not coming back to fill that void, no team is going to just hand away a big man, and we’ve got a second year guy who can be what we need. You say project, I say rebuilding team with Thabeet already making strides, and you go silent.
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its just me i guess,
I would rather try and acquire a free agent this summer like Tyson chandler, Deandre jordan or Perkins bu ok city extended him…someone ready to contribute today. Draft someone like Tristan Thompson or trade up for a sullinger. Or trade for a david lee, al jefferson, gortat or Lopez of phoenix, and continue to pursue cousins…. the center position is the last place we can afford to take a risk/gamble. That’s the most pressing position we need to adress
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by jake_471 on Mar 29, 2011 11:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Big men demand big pay
and teams don’t easily let you trade up into the top 5 to get the guys you mentioned. So who in the world is going to just hand us everything you want? Show me some practicality.
TDS's resident dickhead.
teams looking to dump big salaries
And its going to be very prevalent I believe… that’s why in this particular case I think we need all the flexibility we can get. Not to mention 4 lottery guys from the last 2 years and several picks, you don’t think all of these will be position spots do you? Oh and it makes no sense in trying to develop your teams weakest position. Houston needs to fill that need with a proven guy, preferably one that can dunk
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by jake_471 on Mar 29, 2011 11:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I love Tristan Thompson...
but hes 6’8"…He’s not a center.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Mar 29, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Length of arms is more important than height
But you are right he is not a center. He will be pretty good though.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
See this is exactly my point...
Forget about everything that has been said, would you be more excited to have Tristan Thompson in his rookie year, or Hasheem Thabeet in entering his third?
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Going With Tristan Here
More advance basketball development and smart = fast track to the court, but neither Thompson nor Sullinger seems to be locks to leave school.
You cant teach height, but you can at least try to teach basketball. I dont think Rockets view Hasheem Thabeet as a fix, rather a small one year gamble. If we are in position for Kanter or Valanciunas or Lucas Nogueira, I think we grab them with little doubt, and we’ll probably go hard at Jordan or Gasol, and if not, possibly a reasonable contract going Kamen’s way 2013.
But why is a one year gamble on Thabeet so bad?Who are we going for next year with that flexibility?
The free agent big men
this summer is far supperior to those of next summer, it’s crazy. Also small market teams will be dumping salary this offseason like it’s nothing. One of Utah’s big men (Al Jefferson, Milsap, Favors) is going to get dealt this summer. They’ve talked about moving Milsap to the 3 but the fact is they are in full rebuild mode and Favors is their future. David Lee and Okafor will also be on the trade market. I just feel that taking on an un-proven guy with that much salary tied us up a bit. That’s all really, nothing personal with Hasheem.
Going back to the draft, I’m sure Thompson will not finish his second season in the D-League, so I think Batman is way off if he would rather start the season with Thabeet than Tristan. This particular draft however is very deep at the wing/3 position, and while I love Bud I think we may have a shot at drafting a guy with superstar potential. But going back to the point, can’t afford to take on a project at your most pressing need, I think we both agree that makes little sense.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Oh, and I'm not saying this because
I think we can be a legit contender next season. But a center who can actually dunk a basketball and contain a rebound will help us a lot. In fact going forward I believe we can be a middle of the pack Western Conference Playoff team next season you know a 4 or 5 seed. And as we all know, Kobe, Dirk, and Timmy are on the decline and in 2 years along with OKC we could win the west if our current roster players continue to develop and a couple pieces here and there. But this whole 5 year plan and Hasheem is the shit in 2015 plan is total crap.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
You named mostly Power Forwards
except for maybe Jefferson and Okaford, technically they are undersized for center, not as much so as Hayes, but their reported heights are generous. We’re also going for a youth movement, so if we go for an older center, it’d be a short contract. Gasol and Jordan are the 2 only most likely choices we would pay out big, and with all the picks we have,I think we will only pursuit one free agent, fill the rest out with pick, so I dont see how it hurt our flexibility much. I think we definitely will target hybrid forwards if a center doesnt fall into our lap, also very likely another point guard
its just me i guess,
I would rather try and acquire a free agent this summer like Tyson chandler, Deandre jordan or Perkins bu ok city extended him…someone ready to contribute today. Draft someone like Tristan Thompson or trade up for a sullinger. Or trade for a david lee, al jefferson, gortat or Lopez of phoenix, and continue to pursue cousins…. the center position is the last place we can afford to take a risk/gamble. That’s the most pressing position we need to adress
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by jake_471 on Mar 29, 2011 11:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's Talk about Thabeet and players out of college.
Remember that development usually mimics that of the college career. Thabeet took 3 years to become a proficient college player. The change of pace from HS to college is similar to that of college to the NBA. in fairness he needs minutes to adjust, but i see him being a solid role player at the latest in year 4. if he isn’t by then, i’d call the bust. his natural gifts are to much for him to fall out of the league.
Will Thabeet get it,
I doubt it. For Battier we get a d leaguer and draft pick. If Lee and Bud did not play so well with there extended minutes, the trade would be totally one sided. The main reason is that we are not that far from having the team to make a run in the playoffs. If we can get an Iggy,Batum,G.Wallace, type player and a finally healthy Yao are another but proven defensive center we will be hard to beat.Hill is a project but shows signs of being good, Thabeet shows no signs and has a low basketball iq. Miller is real old and only good on offense, so a hopefully healthy Yao should take his spot next year,and if we get another center in the offseason which i doubt , Thabeet can battle with Hill for the third string center. Just how long are planning on giving him.
by since86rocketsfan on Mar 30, 2011 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
Your player evaluations show that you're not worth listening to.
You consider a healthy Yao part of the future plans and imply we need a solid 3 to help push us over the brink. You say Thabeet has shown no signs but I doubt you’ve watched his D-League games or actually looked in to his career. It’s popular to call a second year player a bust because the vast majority of fans are short-sighted and incapable of taking an in depth look into anything before spouting off an opinion.
TDS's resident dickhead.
by BD34 on Mar 30, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you dont think
the Rockets are going to resign him again you are crazy. If you have been watching these games you see him on the end of the bench. Nobody knows if Yao will play again, people thought Grant Hill would never play again and he still is, McDyess had numerous surgeries and is still playing, and big Z is still playing. If you read the whole thing it says Yao or another proven center. If I was for sure Yao was going to be healthy I would not of said another center.And no i dont watch the d league. It does not matter if he averages a triple double in the d league, its the d league not the NBA. If he had any talent he would be on the roster, coach knows he is far from getting it and thats why he is down there.Maybe in five years he gets it, the thing is we are not that far away now, we need a proven player not several projects. If you paid attention we have point guards,two guards, and power forwards, so our two positions for improvement is at center and the three, so how is my evaluations wrong.
by since86rocketsfan on Apr 2, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Your evaluations are regularly wrong. Plus, I never argued about signing Yao, way to bring up a non-factor.
Not to mention if he averages a triple double in the development league that means a LOT because it means he’s, get this, it’ll blow your mind, DEVELOPING! As for citing all of those other players:
Big Z – Underwent the surgery young, Yao was 30 when he did.
McDyess – Better medical staff worked with him to pull through surgery that usually ends a career, different procedures.
Hill – Phoenix’s medical staff is a group of miracle workers, don’t see how you cite them similar to Yao.
No “comparable center” is available to Yao outside of Dwight Howard and he’s not going anywhere. Thabeet is most likely going to turn it on sooner rather than later due to attention from the Rockets he didn’t get in Memphis.
TDS's resident dickhead.
unfortunately
the if (yao is healthy) statement is not a conditional. it is a boolean that has the value of false. yao will never be fully healthy. he will never be the old yao.
the sooner we come to that realization, the better.
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You dont know how
his career will turn out. He may do like big Z and come back and never get injured again. He may have to retire, the thing is the Rockets have not gave up on him yet and will most likely sign him again this offseason. A proven defensive center is one of our big needs and if Yao can fill it, that would be great , but i wanted Nene or Dalembert this year so I am not stuck on Yao.
by since86rocketsfan on Apr 2, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Spot on about Thabeet,
but I don’t think Yao is any kind of legitimate answer to our C problems moving forward.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
It's not a fair comparison with Yao and other NBA players.
It’s a completely different animal. His hard work and committment to basketball utimately dampered his career. You have to remember from ages 19 to about 26, he played year round, every year. When his season was over with Rockets, he would play in China whether it be FIBA, Olympics, World Basketball Championships, etc. During the early part of his career, he NEVER took time off to rest. Players who play at that level year round, their bodies will eventually deteriorate faster, am I’m sure it’s more common with a freakishly tall Chineese guy. He didn’t suffer the injuries early like Z so really there’s no comparison. Will they re-sign him? Probably, because he’s a cash cow and even if he gets hurt again, Yao’s product is very profitable. Going back to HT, from the day he was drafted till today, it’s hard to say his development has improved. I don’t see all his games, and I don’t see all his practices, but wishing he’s going to become something is more of a hope and a dream, rather than basing it on factual evidence and what he’s done or how far he’s come.
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