Rockets 103 - Clippers 106 - This one's on Rick.
If you are a regular Dreamshake reader you'll know that there are some vocal Adelman critics on the board. I'm not one of them. I think Adelman is an excellent coach overall, and was the right pick for the Yao/McGrady era. But even great coaches have their flaws, and this is Rick's - he wants to have a rotation that plays 36-40 minutes a night and goes maybe 7-8 deep. He wants to ride his horses all the way. Overall I'm still in his camp, but tonight has left a bitter taste. Tonight could have been a victory, when victories are utterly crucial, but our own coach took that victory from our hands.
The Rockets have an incredibly deep bench - their second unit is arguably better than a couple of team's first units. (Let's play Dragic, Lee, Williams, Patterson and Hill against the Cavs and see!) Tonight, when allowed, this formidable bench played the NBA Marketing Department's "Team of The Future with Special Dunking Poster Boy Blake Griffin!" out of the building when allowed to do it. The trouble is, they weren't allowed to do it when it counted.
Normally I'm not a fan of +/- in one game situations, but I think it's instructive here:
Scola -1 in 36
Budinger -18 in 30
Hayes - 17 in 25
Martin +6 in 31
Lowry -12 in 35
Those are big minus numbers in a game the Rockets lost by 3.
Now the bench (remember these numbers were achieved in fewer than 20 minutes, with the exception of Lee who played 35):
Miller +8 in 18(despite being completely and utterly torched by Kaman - why no Thabeet here?)
Lee +9 in 35
Dragic +9 in 13
Hill +1 in 6
Patterson +0 in 9
Let's set the stage. The Rockets are playing their 4th game in 5 nights, a third straight on the road, and a back-to-back after playing in Portland and flying from New Orleans to Portland, Portland to Los Angeles in 3 days.
Why, oh why, weren't the minutes reversed between the starters and the bench tonight? Last night in the win against Portland the Rockets starters all logged close to 40 minutes in a game that was a blow out by the early 4th.
That seems odd. Why did Rick do that? The high minute decision is actually understandable because the Rockets managed to blow at 14pt 4th quarter lead to those same Trailblazers earlier in the year in Houston. I'm tentatively on board with that decision, though past performance is not a guarantee of future results, and Chuck Hayes didn't play in that earlier loss. In any case, I think the bench could have come in with 4-6 minutes left, not 1. Still the starters sealed the win in one of the toughest road environments in the NBA and I at least understand the decision.
Given those high minutes last night, what then should be the plan tonight, against the Clippers? LAC is not a great team, but they have some great young players. They have an athletic squad that can fly around the court, and a deep front court with Griffin, Jordan and Kaman. They can impress with their fly boy antics, but they can also be beaten. A heavy dose of the Rockets own very athletic bench is indicated tonight, you might surmise. You'd be wrong.
Here's what Adelman did instead (combined minutes in 2 nights):
Scola - 77 on a sprained knee
Budinger - 61 on very poor shooting vs LAC - split time with Lee - Terrence Williams saw 0 minutes, despite a sensible matchup against LAC's own very athletic young SF Aminu.
Hayes 59 (foul trouble limited minutes tonight versus LAC frontcourt, but 7'3" center was never utilized.)
Martin 70 (continuing to play well, but looked tired on wide open shots)
Lowry 75 (looked very tired at times, took long 3s rather than driving, yet still manned up for the Rockets frantic comeback attempt)
The team started the game lethargically and it was obvious to everyone but Rick Adelman, it seems. (Read the gamethread for comments on how flat the team looked. It was abysmal.) The first quarter offered the least energy I've ever seen the 10-11 version of the Rockets display. The starters looked tired, and they played tired.
The team missed wide open shots all night, and also FTs. Both signs of tired legs. Even so, a combination of starters and bench players closed the first quarter gap, and the bench helped take a lead in the 2nd. That's right, the Rockets stumbled into halftime, remarkably, inexplicably, up 54-49.
Both teams came through the tunnel full of energy to start the 3rd. They traded baskets for a while at a high pace, normally a Rockets strength, but not tonight. Fatigue set in with the starters. It was obvious to anyone watching, it would seem. Despite crisp passing opening LAC up like an orange early in the quarter, the energy wasn't there to keep doing it as the period wore on. A motion offense requires motion, and tired legs don't move and shoot well.
Naturally, the energetic Clippers began to close the gap on what seemed like an endless series of dunks and Kaman 2ft hooks. Then they pulled away going up by double figures by the early 4th.
Lowry and Budinger looked gassed, yet played the entire 3rd. Why Williams never came in for a clearly ineffective Budinger I'll never know. No one else really went out until 5 or so minutes left. This was clearly the bench's moment to shine, to stop the bleeding, to lower the Clippers sails and maintain the lead. Instead a sputtering Rockets side offered up a puny 15pts in the third, missing 5ft in a row at one point. They ended the quarter trailing 74-68 and the pattern continued into the 4th with piecemeal substitutions. Chris Kaman chiseled away at Brad Miller, who cemented his reputation as a statue. Fresh legs were needed and available, but hardly called upon.
As 4th wore on and looked like a Clippers rout in the making, we saw some of the bench, notably Dragic who began bringing the Rockets back with timely 3s. Slowly, surely, the Rockets clawed back into the game, tired or not. The team never gave up, and had a chance to tie on a last second Budinger three, but it was not to be. The game had been lost in the 3rd, with the Rockets valiant comeback going for naught.
Overall, though, I'm happy with the way the team is playing, if not who is playing and when. The Rockets are displaying much stouter defense overall. They're working well together. They're fighting for everything. There's basically no one on the team who looks to be elsewhere next year (I'll be shocked if Hayes goes). If this team can win about 70% of its remaining games and somehow make the playoffs, I wouldn't want them in the first round.
Tonight, however, by not using all the assets Daryl Morey has assembled for him, Rick Adelman has made the task of reaching the playoffs harder. No game this season has required the bench more, and no game has revealed Adelman's reluctance to use that bench more, either.
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ditto...
nothing was more frustrating than seeing us lose this game… if RA is ready to leave I’d rather him walk sooner than later…
I don't think Adelman is doing this because he wants to leave.
I think he’s doing this because he gets set in his ways, where nothing breaks his system. He doesn’t see where Thabeet fits into his system, so no time for him at all. Same was and still is believed for TWill. I don’t know if age plays a factor, but I suspect it does and since the Rockets are pretty young, then age almost certainly has to be a factor between he and these younger guys. I think this team might start kicking serious ass with some more coaching energy. The coach may not have to be young, but I think a younger vibe will help.
by Nobody is Better Than Griffin on Mar 3, 2011 2:04 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's a general thing - most coaches prefer experienced players.
Who is the choice over Budinger at this point anyway?
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I thought he was a PF?
But I’ll confess I’ve read nothing about him – I know less about him than I knew about Jefferies.
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Rockets tried to take a dip in Blake Superior...
and drowned.
by Nobody is Better Than Griffin on Mar 3, 2011 1:52 AM CST reply actions
Nice pun
But Kaman Gordon and Williams did the real damage
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I can understand
Going w/a 3 wing rotation since Lee has really settled in and is playing well. He had good chemistry w/Budinger on second unit and he seems to have good chemistry w/Martin. So if Bud or Martin is off,I’m really ok w/Lee coming in for either. But when they are both off,and badly off at that,why not Williams? He has to be totally effing up in practice,or he called Rick’s son a horrible High School coach. This was the game where his energy-both good and bad-would have seemed to be just what the team needed.
To be fair,as bad as the Rockets played,they were w/in a 3pt shot of tying game and going into overtime. Still…I just wish Rick would have trusted his bench a little more and not try and ride his vets.
That's what kills me.
This game was entirely winnable – my suggestion is that during the 3Q collapse when the team looked totally gassed some bench play was in order.
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I totally agree!
All fans could see the lethargic and tiredness of the starters, 4 games in 5 nights can wear on you and your knees and legs. Kevin Martin was a great example of this, he could not get the shots he normally gets so easy, they could not drive the basket. They did not look like the team that beat Portland. They looked tired, anxious and throwing up anything to try to score. I have been on the band wagon against RA for the past several months, he just doesn’t sub when he should and the 3rd quarter showed it best for all to see!! He can be a great coach, he is one of the best, but the rotation judgment has fallen within him and doesn’t seem to be changing.
He's really tried to establish a rotation, a consistent one.
And maybe that’s good – players like to know their roles, but some flexibility seemed in order in LA.
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this one made no sense
I get trusting your vets but in a 4 games in 5 nights stretch u need to rest em.
Win or loose, keeping miller and scola in so long is begging for an injury.
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Mar 3, 2011 3:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I do not get this post
Terrence Williams is not a rotaion quality player. Maybe someday, not now. Hill is about a 9th or 10th man on a bad team. And, while I love the guy, Patterson has been wildly inconsistent. Our depth was overrated before and is worse now. Adelman knows what he is going to get with the regulars. With the bench, outside of Lee, and maybe now Dragic, he’s flying blind.
I don't think Williams is a starting quality player at this point.
But when you’ve played 4 games in 5 nights and a b2b, you have to use the bench. That’s what I’m saying. We didn’t do that.
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I dont blame rick for this one....
Not going to put the blame on Rick for this loss. As much as I love to see Patterson and Dragic play, they commit a lot of fouls, getting the rockets in the penalty. I think more than the 4 games in 5 nights excuse, the law of physics caught up. Credit to del Negro for going big and having kaman and jordan playing several minutes together. Houston can just not match up with that length in the front court. The clips exposed our greatest weakness and kaman shot the ball out of his mind. We were 3 pt dogs going into this game, and I expect us to be 5-6 pt favorites vs indiana
by jake_471 on Mar 3, 2011 4:56 AM CST via mobile reply actions
The 4 in 5 is the reason I think we needed to play the bench.
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The result might have been worse
The result might have been worse with the 2nd unit, we dont know anyway. You were correct in the sense that the 1st group were definitely tired. Looking forward to saturday’s game with better hope.
I'd suggest that the result wouldn't have been worse.
As I say, +/- numbers in small sample sizes are dangerous, but look at the starters vs the bench +/- , all the bench is flat to highly positive, while only Martin isn’t a negative for the starters.
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the Decision to use Brad Miller in this games
was way beyond awful
Going with Miller instead of Patterson to guard Kaman was dumb. 21 and 9 in 23 minutes off the bench? What horrible D. Patterson wouldn’t have let Kaman hit all those 18 footers all damn night. And if i see Miller try to drive the lane from the arc one more time i’m gonna start picketing.
Hopefully shit like this will help the board
start to come along to the idea of playing the youngsters. So many people are counting games as wins when games like last night’s really only prove that if you’re the Rockets the only consistent thing you have is inconsistency.
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No one cares about my ways.
In the garage where I belong.
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In the garage.
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You know what
Forget evaluation, Anything that keeps Brad Miller off the floor is a good thing, and I like Brad Miller
by NVP on Mar 3, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Great post Xiane, I agree with everything you said and wondered the same thing myself as I saw nothing but fumes in the starters tanks...
Why is T-Will on the bench?? For him not to get a single minute on the 4th game in 5 nights speaks volume of something happening off the court between them.
Maybe Adelman has a secret Twitter account and follows T-Will’s stupid tweets and RT’s….
We beat this issue up pretty bad yesterday
but watching Miller on both ends of the floor was painful. He has lost a step and a step was about all he ever had. If you break the numbers down I don’t see how playing Thabeet could have been any worse. My math skills have never been great, but someone will have to show me how he could have made the score any worse.
BMills would be my Matt Bullard...
He would play a lot less if I was coaching. “He has lost a step,” is an understatement my friend. I would have him knocking down 3’s, and working the ball around, that’s about it.
Please, Santa, come early, and get us a more progressive Coach. I’ve been saying it all season since about Game 7. I’m sad that I missed last night’s game, had to travel from Austin back to my home in Corpus Christi on the Coast and was too tired for a late one.
dont the Rockets
have to make a decision on whether or not to pick up Thabeets contract through next year? Its a nice sum of money and how can they make a decision, if he doesnt play. How much of the system do you have to know to be able to stand in the paint (while not getting a 3 second call) and block/alter lay-ups and dunks? I saw a little bit of Thabeet in college but I dont follow UCONN so its not like I have every game he played. I dont know where he is, skill wise, and I think he should’ve seen some minutes during the Portland game when we were up by 17 with 5 minutes to go.
by fanoflosingteams on Mar 3, 2011 8:34 AM CST reply actions
Yes, they do have to make a decision and Thabeet is scheduled for like $5 million.
I don’t see how him possibly fouling Kaman everytime could be worse than Miller standing like a statue while Kaman went around him.
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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Mar 3, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was on your side
but that did not make watching Kaman shred Miller any easier. At least if he did that to Thabeet, we could chalk it up to inexperience. Hell I could have stood there and waved as Kaman went by.
Still disagree on the playoff thing, basically agree on the other stuff.
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But see things like that are a consequence of playing tired.
How often do you see these guys missing shots like that?
Rick Adelman and Starters
Remember, he did the same thing in the blowout against the Nets. It took him a really long time to figure out that he should remove the starters during a “blowout” in the 4th Quarter – once again on a back-to-back when we were going up against a very explosive New Orleans team the next night.
About 5 minutes left in the 4th, I was yelling at my TV: “Free T-Will!” a la thedreamshake.com. I was also hoping to see other guys get on the court to rest our starters.
I didn't watch the game
But from reading the recap and looking at the boxscore, I just see a team that’s been playing well over a fairly tough stretch, and finally dropped one at the end because they were tired. Disappointing, but I had hoped to go at least 2-1 over that three game stretch, and we won the two difficult games, which were also more important when it came to playoff positioning. Just have to get some rest, and make sure we beat the Pacers. If we lose to them, then we have a problem with our playoff hunt. But not after this one.
As for T-Will? I can’t comment on Chase’s or Martin’s play (they don’t seem to have played well), but I will observe that Lee got lots of minutes and I am less than pleased with Williams’s after-game reaction. Seriously, T-Will needs to get Adelman or maybe his mom to go out there and confiscate his Blackberry for the rest of the season.
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The pisser is that it easily could have been 3-3.
TWill’s mouth may kill his career – that said, he should have gotten some minutes in the 3rd – maybe 5-7 only but enough to get an exhausted looking Budinger out of the game for a bit.
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His shots were way off too...
If this doesn’t make Adelman want to play T-Will then I highly doubt he gets any playing time at all the rest of the way.
Is there an "up and coming" type, progressive minded
maybe young, with an upbeat approach to the game head coaching prospect that could be a possibility for this squad next year? I think a true rebuild would need to mean a parting of ways with RA.
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 3, 2011 10:41 AM CST reply actions
What makes you think he can do better down here?
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 3, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I don't.
I never stated that a young coach with an upbeat approach to the game would be better than Adelman. I’m 95% certain that if he is replaced, the replacement will be worse than him. And if Rambis has any positives, it’s that he’s a decent teacher. That’s about it.
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Please no.
This is the man who wouldn’t play Kevin Love we’re talking about, right?
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Also, whay kind of player do you think we target in the draft?
assuming we package a deal to move up to a higher pick to snag someone we really like. When I look at the holes needed to be filled I dont see what we need the most, which is a quality big man prospect that we can build around moving forward. Other than that our next need seems to be @ SF. Some interesting names I see are Derrick Williams and Terrence Jones or if we really could reach maybe Perry Jones. I thought those might be players at positions we might want to trade up for, but if we hung out around 14-16 it seems like Jordan Hamilton might be able to be had and he seems to have potential to be a very good NBA player. Anyone else that you thnk we might target come draft time?
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 3, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions
SF if we have decided Williams is worthless, and of course, as always, C.
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Rec'd.
I agree with all your points. Great post, Xiane.
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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Seriously?
I see people getting heavily bashed (even by creators of the board) for writing a SIDE post that seems slightly repetitive, like a “How do we trade for NeNe?” or “We need to blow this team up!” post and yet, here yalll are posting up the same old stuff about situations you don’t understand. I read the first paragraph and I know what the rest is; Adelman only played Lee blah amounts of minutes, why didn’t Patterson stay in the game longer, Brad Miller! Get that geyser out of the game! Listen, if you want the level of intelligent communication to be raised, then raise the level of the conversation. I love TheDreamShake, but honestly I hate that I have to avoid the majority of the comments because of repetitive banter and hypocritical bashing. I honestly wouldn’t respond/care about this at all, but Rockets fans are supposed to be the classiest (basically means we have a level head), very loyal, and smart. And most importantly, this site is shown as a feed on Sports.Yahoo.com/NBA. That’s a big deal and we are representatives of a team.
Winning three out of four in five nights is the most you can ask for this team. It’s obvious the guys were tired, but go back and watch the game again. Look at the squad that was on the floor when our bench players were in and you’ll see why their PERs were so high. Losing by three to a (truly) youthful and rested group after four games in five nights? It’s nice our expectations have risen, but this one isn’t on Adelman; It’s on the limits of the human body.
no, we are not
We are NOT representatives of the team.
Not even my ego would ever allow me to say or agree to such a crazy proposition.
U Mad?
We are representatives in the sense you go to see to Celtics Blog, or Need for Sheed to see how the people who watch the games feel and react. Yes, we are representatives just not in the professional way you’re thinking.
point of reference
This isn’t Celtics Blog. Nor is it Need for Sheed (thank God).
I am no more of a representative than the dude in the 5th row who gets drunk and heckles all the opposing players. To suggest otherwise is to think a wee bit too highly of our presence in the vast reaches of the Interwebs.
Dude, everyday before they open a session of the Supreme Court Roberts reads this blog aloud to the other justices.
So there.
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You read the whole thing? It doesn't look like it.
First, there are a lot of people writing here, all with different opinions. Ask anyone, I’ve never done any sort of takedown on Adelman and this wasn’t one either, or did you miss the elaborate praise in the first paragraph?
I have a problem with how the last game was coached. I laid out my arguments. If you had read the piece (which I doubt) you’d see it wasn’t about trading, or why the bench needs to play overall, but why they needed to play IN THIS ONE GAME.
Second, well Dave said it – we don’t represent the Rockets. We offer our opinions and analysis. Sorry you don’t like the way some of it is going.
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Sure did
I actually agree with the majority of your comments, it’s hard not to. But coaching decisions are so far out of our understanding and I honestly think I’m more upset that we aren’t appreciating RA the way he deserves. He was basically coaching by common denominator; he played the guys who played the longest together, a normal go to as a coach. Our starters were playing really intelligently, even though they were tired, and I probably would have done the same thing. There’s no way we could have beaten the Clippers at an athleticism contest. And PER drives me nuts sometimes (like you said earlier), I was so relieved to see Kaman come out of the game, he was killing us inside but finished the game with a -8 PER. Out of curiosity, did Griffin only have 1 dunk on us?
Thank you for reading it.
Coaching isn’t all that mysterious, I think, particularly when it comes to giving exhausted players a bit of rest as a game is slipping away. That’s my opinion, and yours may be different.
I didn’t use PER in this piece. I think it’s a useful, but incomplete, composite stat. I doubt Hollinger would disagree with that statement. I used +/- even though its more useful as a cumulative stat, to illustrate what was going on with the starters (heavily in the minus overall) versus the bench – heavily to the plus side. When the stat is so lopsided, I think it makes my point. The bench was playing well and the starters generally weren’t. That’s my point in a nutshell.
As for Griffin, I think he dunked about 3 times, and Jordan about 3 and a couple of others did too.
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Yeah, they dunked a lot.
I think its safe to say.
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I Yelled at the TV
Look who is finally able to remember the password to his Dream Shake account…
I agree with the post for the most part. Rick definitely did not help the team when he flat out refused to sub tired starters in the 3rd. He seems to be set in his rotations, not realizing that we have interchangeable parts. Hill or Pat Squared should have been used on Kaman when he went all 2009 on us, or when DeAndre was out-athletisizing us for his hometown crowd. We could have used T-Will to relieve Air Bud as well.
I don’t subscribe, however, to the belief that ’Sheem could have helped. Remember, he & Dragic have not practiced, and even though Dragic can get by because he can dribble and shoot, ’Sheem can do neither, and will need a lot more time. A Jordan Hill sighting would have been more appropriate in this case.
Mo, Kaman, Adelman, and as luck would have it, a freshly off the IR Gordon helped secure a loss that will haunt us at the end of the season.
Random side note: The Rockets are 4-8 when Pat Squared shoots under 50% from the field.
by Nowujalo Meekah on Mar 3, 2011 12:43 PM CST reply actions
You could be right about Thabeet.
My thinking was that simply by being 7’3" with his hands in the air he could have bothered the ground-bound Kaman more than Hill. Fouling Kaman versus letting him make 2fters is pretty much the same.
The sad thing is, Jordan’s hometown crowd would be Houston.
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Simple, grab Thabeet, point at Kaman
and tell Thabeet, “keep your feet between his feet and our basket”. Even a poor effort at that would have been better that the result we got.
"Take him down! Hard!"
get some enforcer action going
by NVP on Mar 3, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
That doesn't seem like Thabeet somehow - Miller maybe, but he was really passive on Kaman.
We certainly NEED that guy though.
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All I'm saying is if we want to utilize a possible foul machine
Let’s at least get him nasty, get some swagger going in that kid. The only guys that has swagger on our team is probably Kyle Lowry, T-will, and Brad Miller, and 2 of those guys shouldnt have it
by NVP on Mar 3, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
I miss Barkley
pounding some poor fool into the floor and then staring at him like, “I get six of those, how many would like?” On that subject, Carrol might be a candidate. I understand he has a “Dirty Jobs Done Dirt Cheap” attitude.
Hmm - that could be useful.
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Re Carroll
FWIW,over on Blazersedge,someone who went to Rockets game talked about pre-game shooting and said Carroll was shooting 3s from corner and did not miss.
I wonder if he’s a guy the Rockets try to sign to RGV next yr and try to turn into tweener defender,3pt shooter for emergency call-up.
He actually fits a slot we didn't have - the SF/PF swingman.
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any chance...
the real reason that Beet has not seen any minutes is that RA just thinks he needs a practice first? I know its a stretch but with Dragic, he is basically by default our only backup PG so he got time already…. Wishful thinking of RA I guess
No, I think that's probably it.
I’m assuming we’ll see him more when he gets to practice even a little.
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Gordon, the man picked up where he left off
USA teams really reshape what a player does in the NBA. Gordon is a prime example of the effect of a strong mentality.
Man I like that kid
Gordon is really, really good…
imagine how much progress he would have made his first two years if he were NOT a Clipper
What if the Clippers become a solid team in the near future?
Maybe the better question is how will Sterling screw things up again for them. Gordon has been incredible, Williams will only get better with em, Bledsoe’s will be a solid backup, etc. If they become a winning team, they may have to change their name.
salary cap is a bitch
Sterling will sign the wrong guy to a big contract (starting with DeAndre this summer) and he’ll soon have to start getting rid of random players until it’s Blake and a bunch of injury prone Euros left on the roster.
oh T-will
If only he would realize his best asset is his creating and not shooting. Im just not sure how he fits in RJ’s offense which needs the wings to shoot or cut pretty much.
He can drive pretty well - and passes splendidly off the drive too. His job is to slice open the D for either a dunk for himself, or a pass to an easy shot.
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and...
It’s really hard to do all those things while looking over your shoulder waiting for Adelman to yank you back off the court.
It's a classic recipe
Try too hard when finally getting in game,force shots and make mistakes and the coach yanks you,so the next time you force it even more,and end up getting yanked early,and next time force it even more and end up back on bench.
Everybody is saying relax and just play ball,which sounds so easy…
I take the blame on this loss
Read my fanpost and you will know why.
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2011/3/2/2025144/i-wanted-thought
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
when Battier was here
i though he was gettin to many mins and bud should get a few more with battier bein so much older and lacking offence (although bud lacks D) but now that he gone i was expecting Bud to take most of the mins with Lee robbing a few mins and Williams gettin alot more maybe Rick just thinks starters have to have so many mins?
in the blazers game the bench should really have played more
I understand the frustration with Miller getting so much time
But I definitely disagree with the prevailing sentiment that Hasheem Thabeet needs to be playing right now. Thabeet is simply a horrible basketball player, even defensively. With some time on the practice court this summer, he could become a serviceable backup, but right now he’s not worth putting on the court. He’s a zero offensively, and defensively, while he can block shots, he often lets people right past him only to foul them on the way up, is way too weak to guard in the post, and has no technique whatsoever. Honestly, Miller is just as good defensively, while he’s as slow as molasses and is all-around bad, he doesn’t make nearly as many mistakes as Thabeet. Thabeet wouldn’t have fared any better against Griffin, and he would’ve just killed our offense even more (Miller was 3-5 from three last night and had some sweet passes).
My contention with this view is as follows
Thabeet is called a horrible basketball player why? He struggled in Memphis. Lots of players struggle in Memphis. They’re not that great with player development. Thabeet will never improve if he doesn’t get coached and playing time. I don’t get why everyone is pissing all over him when he hasn’t had a legitimate chance to improve, get guidance, and learn.
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Still wouldnt have helped get the W though.
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I agree that he should play if we are looking beyond this season (as we likely should be)
But the people thinking he could come in and be an upgrade right now and help us win last night are wrong in my opinion.
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 3, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
i honestly don't care if we make the playoffs or not this year...i would prefer to have us
play him, TWilly, and PPat to evaluate all our players this summer. Especially Thabeet, he needs the experience right now.
by inquisitiveman on Mar 3, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Look at his stats from what he has shown.
1. The guy’s FG percentage? .436. That is awful for a guy who is the 5th option – all he has to do is rebound and dunk, and he can’t put the ball in the basket half the time.
2. He fouls way too much in his limited minutes.
3. He turns the ball over too much – he averages as many turnovers as he does FGM.
4. Thabeet has shown zero sign that he cares about basketball. He plays it because he’s tall, and it’s a way to make money.
Given all that, and I find the people who whine for Thabeet to get out there even more hilarious than those who whine for T-Will – at least T-Will knows the offense ( theoretically) and has been in practices.
Now to mention, how many players has Memphis actually had that sat on the bench and did nothing, went to another team, and did well afterwards. Lowry’s situation in Memphis was similar to that of Brooks’s in here, but I’ll concede one. Who else? Swift sucked. Darko sucked. At what point do you look past “He’s 7’3’’ and potential” and realize “Dude doesn’t known basketball, and doesn’t care about basketball.”
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And
Memphis had him on the trading block most of yr,and there were no takers until Rockets got desperate. And it’s not like there are no teams looking for a C.
Minn even ate Curry’s salary just to get Randolph.
Atl was thinking Miller would be an upgrade over Pachulia.
We won’t mention Portland,OKC,Miami,Detroit,GS,Cleveland,Toronto…
I think we really should have more evidence than 2500 minutes across two seasons before deciding any of the above is a certainty.
It might be, it could be more likely than not, but really, something like 11 minutes a game spread over 2 seasons doesn’t tell you all that much. Even the maligned Darko has turned into a useful player. I mean, I’ve seen all that too, and it’s not exactly encouraging, but the story is far from told.
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Oops - that's 1250 minutes - not 2500.
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I just saw this.
http://www.red94.net/cap-introducing-chart/6106/
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On a different note, check out this interview with Morey by ESPN:
They were trying to ask Morey on how he goes into a trade talk…how he talks when he gets on the phone to call other GMs. Go to the 12 minute mark on Talkin Hoops section in right hand side.

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