What the hell Adelman?
by lucnguye92 on Apr 11, 2011 10:12 PM CDT
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Someone tell me what's going on here?
We're not in the playoffs. Check
We're not playing for a playoff spot. Check
Rick Adelman is not trying to win Coach of the Year Award. Check
So WHY is Chuck Hayes, still playing 41:08 while Hasheem Thabeet logged in 0:00.
Can Someone please explain to me why we're putting such a grind when the season is almost ending with no post-season playing at all. Why did he just not let the bench loose? Worse that can happen is we end up 42-40, which is still damn amazing for a team with a history of bad luck, the gods hating us, Yao Ming's missing foot, etc.
I see no point in this, and I'm a stern supporter for Rick Adelman. I really wanted to see Hasheem Thabeet play, and this was the best time. Rick, you gotta explain to me because I'm seriously scratching my head.
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Because the way to win
overtime games is to only play 7 players while the other team plays 11 of 12.
This isn't new
the guy has his own way. He only wants to win. I don’t like it either but I’m no longer surprised by it.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Only problem is: RA's way isn't resulting in wins, but winnable games being lost
It’s his way of showing disdain for DM’s choice of players.
Go home, RA. You’re no longer wanted here.
I betcha he’ll play the field and see if there is interest out there for his services.
Cause RA said
Fuck yall, I’m getting my own
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Apr 11, 2011 10:29 PM CDT reply actions
Chuck Hayes should fake an injury.
That’s the only time he seems to defer to the young ones. Even then, he’ll probably have someone play 40 minutes to cover both spots while the bench suffers. I have been tolerant enough as it is with his starting lineups, but this. This one just tops the cake for me.
but...
Miller can obviously do a number of things that Thabeet can’t.
I’m no Miller fan, far from it, but even I have to admit that he can throw a nice pass or hit an outside shot now and then.
How do we know Thabeet can't?
I’m not seeing any worthwhile playtime in Houston to make that call.
TDS's resident dickhead.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record,
college, Memphis, practice, shootarounds, one-on-one coaching sessions with CD, etc.
So, players don't develop, you're at the one on one coaching sessions
Memphis is known around the league for top flite player development, you’re privvy to practices and shootarounds, and I’m supposed to take your word for it? Right…
TDS's resident dickhead.
Not at all
I’m no more involved with the Rockets than you are. But I read the articles and try to stay informed. As an average fan, what else can you do?
The feedback was that Thabeet was a rough prospect with height and some potential but was nowhere near ready for the NBA game. Dawson said that his touch was pretty good but that his footwork was awful. He said Thabeet needs to adjust to the NBA where he can’t camp out in the lane and block shots. He said Thabeet has no post moves. How about his word? Any more credible than mine?
I read those reports
and I also watched Thabeet’s D-League games where his positioning and adjustments were made and he was doing well, you speak only to criticisms and don’t bother to do the follow up legwork, which is exactly why you sound like a twat.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Ridiculous statement
Your argument loses a bit of credibility when you switch over to personal insults.
Read my comments – I do not only criticize. I have acknowledged his potential and have praised his improvement. You and I differ in the fact that I don’t claim to be more knowledgeable than the Rockets coaching staff regarding player talent and readiness. But then again, you watch the D-League on TV, they might make you commissioner.
You can say I lost credibility but maybe only to you.
You’re blowing smoke, that’s really all it is. Thabeet has made progress and I haven’t made any wild assertions other than the season, for all intensive purposes is shot, and we’re not playing young guys to get a good look at them against NBA competition. Now, which part of that do you seem to think is erroneous.
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Your wild assertion
is that, despite what the coaches and experts say, some mild success in the D-League means that Thabeet is ready for the NBA game.
Is it? Or is it that fundamental basketball skills apply at all levels?
Oh yea, it’s the second part. My “wild assertion” is that when the season is over, play the guys who have potential but haven’t seen the floor because it literally does not matter if they make mistakes because no harm can be done to seeding or anything. They can only develop or be properly assessed.
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The season is not over
There are 82 games. But once the season is over, I agree with you completely. Play everyone in summer league, practices, tryouts, whatever. Definitely assess your talent and develop your prospects so you can field the best possible team for the next year.
You cannot assess your talent in a vacuum against the same competition constantly.
If the Rockets scrimmaged 82 games per season then yes, you’re right. The season was over with the loss to the Kings, at that point, play your youngsters. Once Yao went down I’d say we should have scrapped and went young because the only people thinking a playoff run was in the cards were delusional people.
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Hopeful people too
Having that hope in your team is a big part of the fun, at least for me.
Ok, I suggest the old agree to disagree on this one. I think that our core issue is in-season talent evaluation. My opinion is that a professional team has a responsibility to field the best possible team in every regular season game. If a team doesn’t constantly strive for the best results possible, I worry that the record will suffer, fans will lose interest, attendance and revenue will drop, and worst case, the team will start shopping around for a new home. I think there is a bond between fan and team, whereby fan supports team and team constantly tries to be as successful as possible for the sake of fan.
That only leads to the debate on entitlement issues in a franchise like this.
If we go to rebuild we’ll have to deal with mistakes. This fanbase invests too much in trade and free agency and wonders why no one sticks around. I argue it’s because we don’t build team loyalty because we swap everyone around and show no loyalty to our players. Chuck and Yao are shining examples of company men who were built by the organization who want to stay. No one else really stands by the team that closely unless they come here and get their opportunity to be something (Lowry).
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Players aren't the only ones that can be selfish
Rick is selfishly wearing out his players with no particular goal. Nevermind, he’s trying to pass another coach (I forget who) to be 7th all time in wins. He aint comin’ back next season and he knows it.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Thabeet didn't play because he's bad at basketball at the NBA level.
The Rockets play games to win and Rick played who he thought had the best chance of bringing it home. That’s all there is to it.
Coaches being selfish for wanting to win? I’m not really buying that.
Think chuck wanted to take a seat and watch Thabeet play? Fuck that.
2 years, same record, arguably better roster, same result.
That system sure is something wonderful to hide behind…
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If not for that first half start
excluding december.. we would be saying something different then same result
But its just hindsight which is fun but just that not really useful.
If we would have won all of our games we'd be 81-0.
Ifs and buts are nice to think about but we have the now, it’s nice to think of what could have been but there’s no way of knowing if it would have been any other way.
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Realistically thats out of the question
but the playoffs werent.. we choked pretty bad in the beginning and end
I just mean that if we live in a world of what ifs
then we’re the greatest ever, you know?
TDS's resident dickhead.
Situational consideration tears your post a new anus.
1.) None of the players out there acted like they wanted to be out there, yet Rick pressed them for over 40 minutes.
2.) The season is over, we have no dog in the playoff fight, we are drafting 14, and we’re going to end up at last year’s record or one better. Why not play guys who haven’t seen the floor? It does absolutely NO harm.
3.) Logging 40 + minutes for starters in meaningless games, and this is bad juju in the sports world, SHOULD result in injuries for those players logging heavy minutes in meaningless situations because the coach is putting his players at a drastically higher risk.
4.) Is Adelman selfish for ignoring injury possibility in a meaningless game to not play a few younger guys? If you say no, I want you to tell your girlfriend her ass is fat next time she asks you because you clearly don’t know the proper response.
5.) Think Chuck maybe wants a breather once in a while and rather than Brad Miller just toss in Thabeet? What’s the worst that could happen, we lose the Dallas game? Oh wait, we did? Hmmm…
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same old
Too bad Adelman hasn’t been giving Thabeet and TWill big minutes all season. We would have been championship contenders. Amazing, guys on this blog had the wisdom and basketball knowledge to see that. What we have here are potential replacements for RA if he’s not back next season.
ahhh, another short-sighted comment. You should get a prize.
EVERYONE (except apparently Adelman) knew the Rockets were not going to win the championship this year once Yao went down. At that very moment, the entire focus of the season should have shifted to “find out what we have in the young guys” – which means you play Thabeet and TWill and Budinger and Patterson BIG minutes and let guys like Hayes and Miller fill in the gaps. Not the reverse… which is how Adelman has been doing it.
I mean, really, what’s the difference between 43-39 and 30-52 in the grand scheme of things? Nothing… especially if you get young players real experience.
right back at you
I just don’t see how giving minutes to the bottom of your bench can help to turn things around. In my opinion, with a few exceptions, it’s a talent based league – teams get great players via the draft and via free agent aquisition. You can’t just take any old player, stick him out there, and end up with an All Star.
The Rockets coaches and execs are professionals. They evaluate talent for a living. I think they are perfectly capable of realizing what they have on the roster without a massive, in-season tryout with starter-level minutes.
In some cases, the young guys do have promise. Take Budinger – he shows a good upside, they think he’s ready, we trade Shane and throw him in as a starter. Take Patterson – he does some good things, we up his minutes and move the struggling Hill to a slightly lesser role.
And yet, somehow, in the cases of TWill and Thabeet, you want me to believe that the coaches are dead wrong? Somehow, they have missed out on the real secret talent and potential that these guys possess? Talent and potential that would be somehow immediately unleashed should they get 15 minutes of playing time towards the end of the season? I’m just not buying it.
Does Thabeet
have more potential than Brad Miller? Of course he does, Miller will probably be out of the league very soon, Thabeet is a young big guy who has the ability to change shots and could end up being a decent player for a long time, that is worth investing in even if he never ends up playing at an all star level. It would be like if we never played Budinger because he isn’t an all star, it wouldn’t make sense and we wouldn’t know that he was a decent player. Twill is another who could end up a decent player, but as long as RA is around we will never know. Other professionals have made the same mistakes in the past, the Knicks gave up on Jordan Hill who definitely could have helped their awful scrub based team, instead he rotted away on the bench.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 12, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Brad Miller
is bad at basketball at the NBA level, and he is old as hell, yet he still found plenty of time on the court.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 12, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
For the same reason mike bit hoyfield's ear tips off
he’s finished
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thats a misconcivied notion
Admit it, holyfields ears pissed everyone off. Mike did the world a favor, he’s my hero
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 12, 2011 1:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ok
i just didn’t expect Mike to chew.
Ben Johnson’s 100m dash in the Korean Olympics was also a good moment.
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hey
what wrong wit chuck getting his mins? hes earned them all year long. hell give him 48mins! Na i messing but he should get a lot of mins, he probably will not get much next year.
This HT guy is annoying me i no a lot of people are really big on him but hes behind other youthful players which do show more skill then he does. Hill should have gotten mins before him in my opinion.
This isn't fucking T-Ball
where everyone gets a chance to play. NBA teams have 8-9 man rotations. If you’re not good enough, you don’t fucking play. You guys seriously sound like parents of the sucky red-headed kid who bats last. The dude was just called back up like 2 days ago. Sorry it broke your little heart that HT didn’t log any minutes, but this was RA’s last home game and we were 0-3 vs Dallas. So if you have a problem with him trying to go balls out and actually win a game like he’s paid to do, please keep the whining to yourself. Now, could Jordan Hill have logged 8-10? Sure.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
YEA! FUCK PLAYING A CENTER AT 7'3" IN A GAME THAT DOESN'T MATTER
that NO team showed any fucking interest in playing! The execution was sloppier than the scene of a gangbang and the team clearly didn’t care (Dallas OR Houston). Let’s tag on to it that when it comes to Adelman’s pride that’s totally fine cause he has a system, and wins, and other buzzwords that we can put up like a comfort blanket while the house torches around us! Sorry it pissed people off that while the titanic is sinking our captain is still at the helm denying that any water is being taken on!
Get over your fucking self.
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by BD34 on Apr 12, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m somewhat sympathetic to your argument, but that was a pathetic post. Did those F-bombs really add anything? Fake anger ain’t working.
Exactly
NBA teams only have an 8-9 man rotation, that’s why a playoff bound Mavs team with something left to play for played 11 to our 7 last night right? How dumb of them to play all of those players, I bet that’s why the Mavs lost the game.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 12, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
coach 'IDLEMAN'
what can i say…all system go! So he better pack up..
by jecrox11 on Apr 12, 2011 8:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
The easiest explanation is Adelman is too prideful to do it.
There’s not much left in the schedule and we have some young guys who should see the minutes because when you have little to nothing left, why not give it to guys who have been given little to nothing. Dragic shouldn’t log 48+ minutes, no one should log more than 30 when the season is over and we’re just playing out the string. A full game or two of evaluation is valuable but Adelman is placing pride before his fall from the organization. He wants wins, he wanted to try to slip one in against Dallas and it wasn’t going to work.
I posted in the gamethread how I am blown away by the sheer spite that Adelman seems to be coaching with while the team is knocked out of contention and I truly see this all as a senseless entitlement issue. No one’s saying guys should be handed minutes (For those towing that line because ignorance is more powerful than rationality) but when the season is over and you have some guys you want to check out or see what they can do, what harm can come from giving them minutes? It won’t effect playoff seeding, it won’t hurt our draft position, if you’re out of the playoffs your record is the roughshod equivalent of 0’s in pesos (Meaningless). So why not? Apparently what he’s been doing hasn’t worked. We can say injuries all we want but we upgraded our roster at the end of the year last year and we’re on track to end with the same exact record. Kind of makes you think, or it should (Because thinking is burdensome).
As for people saying Thabeet sucks, kindly shut the hell up. He’s making strides in the D-League and finally has a team working with him to improve him and it’s showing quick dividends in skill acquisition. Spout off whatever half-formed opinion you have on Clutchfans, here at TDS we expect you to put some thought into things, I know that is a terrifying proposition because only them there “nerd-folk” think but try it, you might not come across as a moron.
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Since playoffs are no longer an option,
(and we were down two starters), I can no longer disagree. I really don’t understand why Rockets would bring Thabeet back up from the D-League if they had no interest in playing him. This was a fine opportunity, with a very thin frontcourt against a team with plenty of scrubs down low that weren’t going to abuse Thabeet. If you really feel that Thabeet has no chance to keep his head above water against Ian Mahinmi, then the Thabeet experiment is already a disaster.
However, I’m not trusting any anecdotes about Thabeet’s “progress” until I see it in the big show.
I think when we look at this season, we saw a lot of guys that Morey brought in for a reason
but that Adelman hasn’t played. So saying the Thabeet experiment is a disaster because Adelman didn’t play him, doesn’t work for me. It’s basically conducting an experiment and calling it a failure because of unrelated factors impacting something else. Adelman is our independent factor and we have no way of knowing what Thabeet has.
Watching him play in the D-League you saw progressive correction of what he was doing poorly, that’s what I meant by progress. He certainly isn’t going to step in and go 15 and 10 off the bat, but I certainly see he’s much more skilled offensively than anyone here thought (100% shooting nights are 100% shooting nights, doesn’t matter where they happen) and defensively he’s adjusted his positioning.
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I like to hear that
Thabeet is improving. Especially given that one of the knocks on him was that he wasn’t a worker. There is no doubt that the D-League is giving him great practice and experience.
However, the fact that he is doing fairly well in the D-League does not directly correlate to his potential for success with the big club. It just isn’t the same game. Take Mike Harris, for instance. I like the guy, glad we picked him up. He was the D-League MVP, correct? But he’s not exactly an MVP candidate at the top level. Not the same players, not the same game.
Which is why I’ll choose to trust the pros. I’m sure that Adelman and staff follow Thabeet infinitely more closely than any of us do. I feel that they’ll know when and if he’s ready and will give him minutes at that time.
Again, I'm talking skill development, which is where Thabeet needs to improve, and he's doing it.
You can learn footwork and that translates at any level. You can learn positioning, and that works at every level. You’re diminishing those steps by assuming I’m talking about stats, and I’m not. When it comes to the pros, you neglect that Morey acquired these guys for a reason too. Adelman’s rotations have been suspect all year as well. Blind faith is a dangerous thing.
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Agreed
that Morey got him for a reason. Hey, he’s 7’3" and certainly has potential.
Also agreed that blind faith is not a great policy. But my faith isn’t blind. I’m arguing that Adelman will play a young guy when he’s ready (Budinger, Patterson). So I’m thinking that if Thabeet and TWill were ready, they’d be playing too.
Not so sure about positioning working at every level. Doesn’t it depend upon the opposition, to some extent? As an extreme example, defensive positioning that allows you to stop Brad Miller’s drive may end up in a highlight dunk if LeBron is on the ball.
Knowing where you need to be on defense is defensive positioning.
It’s stopping Miller’s dumb ass drives and knowing what to do with Lebron. Thabeet is doing the paint dance, he’s where he needs for boards, positioning translates at every level. You’re just clutching at straws now. Your blind faith in Adelman leads you to negate the fact that these guys were acquired with purpose and deserve development minutes because the season is gone.
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I'll state my argument, you state yours
I don’t need you to restate mine for me.
Again, I claim that Adelman evaluates his talent and will give a young guy minutes when he is ready. Budinger and Patterson attest to that. I have no doubt that Thabeet was brought here for a reason – we start a 6’6" guy at center. However, I believe the coaches when they claim that he isn’t ready. And per Budinger and Patterson, I have no doubt that they will play him when he is.
Per Budinger and Patterson
This has been discussed ad nauseum but those guys only saw the court after an entire offseason and injuries or depletion at position saw those players to the court. Then again I assume Adelman caused those injuries because he felt those guys were ready to see the floor, right?
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truth
But for injuries and trades, Bud and Patterson and even Jordan Hill would have been given VERY limited looks this year. Adelman did this same bullshit routine with Carl Landry and Luis Scola, too.
He does not play people he doesn’t know. Period.
And that is one reason he has the same amount of rings as
Chris Bosh has balls.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
by batman713 on Apr 12, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I found it funny
while I was at the game last nite my girlfriend asked me “Why is that big guy trying to be Lebron James?” she was talking about Miller and his MANY attempts of pump fake at the 3 pt line and rush the lane for a dunk. I told her “thats how B Miller rolls”
by fanoflosingteams on Apr 12, 2011 8:56 AM CDT reply actions
For Adelman to play mind games with him
Since he won’t let him get in a real basketball game.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
for realz
My Marcus Cousin post was supposed to be a joke about how Thabeet always gets left out and how Adelman hates him…
now I’m not so sure it isn’t true.
This is getting just stupid.
None of us know what T-Will and Thabeet can do. Hopefully we will find out next season. But nothing is going to change this season, and I’m sick of all this bickering, bitching, and calling each other stupid. Personal opinions are great, and this is good, but these arguments keep getting worse here.
Show some respect for each other
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Ever have a pain in your elbow that just wants to pop but it won't so it just aches?
That’s basically what happens in these arguments where no one bothers to read any background info, maybe bring in some education on their opinion, and it just winds up being a painful exchange of ignorance. There’s only so long it goes before it becomes taxing and frustrating. This is the culmination of that frustration.
Your opening comment, I cannot agree with more though.
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Before siding with Chuckwagon
and declaring yourself the champion of the world, may want to check if he’s talking about you. I won’t claim to be able to read his mind, I’ll let him speak for himself.
A debate cannot be won by suddenly claiming that the other party is a misguided, uninformed simpleton. It just doesn’t work that way. Your arguments / opinions are no more valid than anybody else’s. They don’t gain extra validity by simply claiming that the other guy is ignorant and uneducated.
Did I ever deny that he was talking to me?
I explained why I escalate it. Drop the vendetta.
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But everyone here, including you, assume that noone else has done any background research.
I don’t comment on Thabeet or T-Will because I haven’t seen them play, and as such, don’t have enough info to create a good impression of either one. The only thing I can say is that I’ve seen flashes of briliance from T-Will, along with flashes of amazing stupidity. So yes, I see potential there. But BD, don’t assume that you have the right knowledge of how a player is. When it comes to comments like, I am 5’9", there is black and white. I either am 5’9", or I am not. Saying Thabeet deserves lots of minutes, Adelman needs to leave, all of these things, we keep bickering about are all in shades of gray.
You cannot ascertain that the other guys are wrong here simply because they have more faith in Adelman or don’t have faith in Thabeet. Most everyone here has a valid point. ( I will conceed that at times, logic goes out the window in this blog. I do it, we all do it). To me, Thabeet is like inheriting some farmland from your grandfather you barely knew. You go to check it out, open the barn, and theres a ‘49 Mercury sitting in there. The body is solid, and the rust is pretty light. You have a pretty decent foundation to work on. However, the wiring is gone, the windows are busted, and animals live in the car. Now comes the personal decision. If you really put your heart into it, you can fix this baby up and turn it into something very nice. However, thats a matter of personal choice. What’re you going to spend your time and money on? The Mercury has potential to be a beast, but is it really the best choice for all the work you have to do? Hell, it might be two years before it’s even able to run, let alone hold its own against the other restored classics. All personal opinion as to what to do with it. You will never know until time has run its course, but there really is no wrong decision in the beginning.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's not mix what I do against me just telling everyone they're wrong.
If I see a flaw in thinking or inconsistent application, I mention something. I state my opinion and back it up. If I feel as though something isn’t a correct analysis, I explain why I think differently. If, through the course of those discussions, it becomes apparent that someone hasn’t done their background, then I mention it. Is it a negative to expect intelligent discussion? Is it a negative to want fans to actually have a reason or a consistency to them?
I’ve maintained that opinions are opinions, I’m interested in how they’re formed and if mine differs, I explain why. There can be good discussion here but unfortunately the majority of people here just piss and moan as soon as someone challenges their opinion, screams persecution, then runs off waiting for the board to tell people to stop being mean. If you’re going to be bold enough to post your opinion expect it to get criticized or called out then continue to discuss it like an adult.
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Not trying to be difficult
but I have to point out that the guy wanting “intelligent discussion” and to “discuss it like an adult” is the same guy who called me a “twat” a half hour ago. And yet you want reason and consistency from posters?
Nobody was pissing and moaning. Nobody screamed persecution. Those are just false claims. As I see it, the only thing that happened was two guys didn’t agree and discussed it for a while. Oh, and you called me a “twat.”
Again, you can’t just declare yourself the winner. As Chuckwagon says, in matters of opinion, it just doesn’t work that way.
I wasn't declaring myself a winner, so kindly take that line out of there.
These aren’t false claims because it’s not just isolated to this thread that people have cried and said I was being mean because I didn’t agree with them. So, before you write something off, ask for clarification.
Yes, I called you a twat, I watch a lot of BBC and it’s basically saying you’re being a stubborn ass, I’m a twat myself, calling me one doesn’t really bother me either. I pursue that kind of discussion, unfortunately it’s usually met with “You’re saying this, waaaah, you’re mean! Let’s just agree to disagree and run away!”
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Agreeing to disagree is easily the way to go when two people cannot see eye-to-eye.
Say I believe that redheads are the hottest females in the world, and you say blondes are. You can show me every fine blonde in the world, and I will counter with my redheads. You simply cannot change my mind on that, and I cannot change yours. At the end of the day, nothing is changed, and agreeing to disagree is the only logical thing to do in this situation.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Again, you're mixing opinion with observation of conduct and other issues.
I don’t push opinion issues. I ask about how someone comes to a decision. It’s an apples to oranges discussion you’re on here.
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So how do I explain feelings and ideas to you that are only gut feelings and have to explanation?
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
But you differ with everyone. You shut almost everyone on this blog down when they post something.
I understand that you have great insight, and you know I like what you bring here. But what makes you right and them wrong? I do not believe this season is over. The season is over when you have played 82 games, not just because you don’t have the chance to make the playoffs. Just because you did not make the playoffs is, in my mind, not the reason to say fuck it and start the bottom of the bench. I want to see the Rockets fight for every game. Grudgedave posted higher up, whats the difference between 43-39 and 30-52? To me, it’s a hell of a lot. I want to see the best my squad has to offer on the floor, giving it their all. I do not want to see our JV squad for extended periods simply because they need the minutes to develop. Yes, Thabeet should see 10 minutes a game. Yes, T-Will should also. But teams go out to WIN. In the entertainment world, you put your best product up front.
Now before you tear up my piece, I know that there are flaws to it. I know that it doesn’t develop the benchwarmers as much. Adelman is also annoying the hell out of me for the few minutes the young’uns are getting. But to me, pride is part of a basketball team. Pride as a coach is knowing you took what you had and did the best with it. Adelman is taking it too far, as we all know. But if I were the coach of the Houston Rockets, (aside from the fact that we would fail miserably and the city would be calling for my head on a silver platter), i would also keep the veterans playing and the young guys fill the gaps. It’s just how I am, and I am not wrong for thinking it, and you are not wrong for thinking I’m an idiot for doing so.
We all, aside from very few on here, want Thabeet to get more minutes. We are all annoyed at Adelman. So why do we still bitch and moan at each other on here? I just don’t get it.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps it's a flaw with blogging in general
Lots of blogs degenerate into silly arguments. As I see it, the problem is that there’s no jury. There’s no finality to any of it.
Haha, perhaps the way to go is to state your case, have your opponent state his, then rest your case and let your peers choose the winner.
But Chuckwagon, I like where your head is. And BD34, I do like lots of your points, even though they typically differ from mine.
My thing has always been, I just want to know WHY people think certain things.
If there are multiple points of view or it’s purely opinion I just want to know why I disagree or what brought someone to a point. If there is gray area, talking about it and supporting it is a good way to expand EVERYTHING we have, but it’s when it gets chippy or when ignorance and a fear of discussing things enters the equation that it gets extraordinarily frustrating because we can’t talk if someone is just going to say “Soandso sucks.” or acts as though finality can be achieved in something where none of us have access.
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Fair enough
But in the case of this discussion, I feel that I have provided plenty of information to explain the “why” behind my opinions, no?
"I want to know WHY people think certain things"
Well I think HT is not any kind of answer to our center problem, not now, not next year, not ever. The knock has been that he doen’t have the passion or desire to work hard and become great. You can’t just sit underneath the basket and block/altar shots in the NBA like he was able to at UCONN. His lateral movement sucks, he’s slow to react, he’s un-coordinated, and has no passing skills which is an integral part of playing the 5 on this current Houston Rockets team. Since he was drafted and came into the league, all signs have pointed towards panning out to be a poor man’s Kelvin Cato. While this is how I feel, there’s facutal evidence and footage to back this up. You say that he has progressed some in the D League, whoopty f’n doo!! I probably could too. Please realize that people aren’t blindly making opinions. All we can go by is what we’ve seen. And there’s more shit than gold this far, and if you don’t the opinions then don’t read it.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
And I thank you for explaining why.
To me, there are answers for your reasons to disagree. I’ve seen improvement in all of the weak areas you cited, prior to his work in the D-League I’d agree 100% with everything you said. I’ve always felt as though he could improve and the Rockets working with him and his results int he D-League are a reflection that the belief I held in his improvement was well placed as he has improved his movement and coordination. He’s doing much better on his defensive recognition. Does he still have a ways to go? Certainly. Did his time with Memphis retard his progress? I’d almost certainly say so because he’s making progress with Houston that people discounted from him.
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How do you mean shut down? If I disagree and explain why and the other person just gets quiet and has nothing
doesn’t that mean either a.) They changed their thought or b.) they never really believed in what they were talking about. Support an opinion. If I “shut someone down” it’s not on me, it’s on them. Shifting blame to someone who can support their opinion is awarding the loser the win because they were outclassed.
To me, we’re not saying make great benchwarmers, we’re saying evaluate talent on a team that’s headed to rebuild. You’ll never know how that talent is if you only let them play against your in house squad. When it comes to minutes, do you want Chuck to shatter a knee or something because Adelman is being a dickhead about minutes? There is no difference between 43-29 and 30-52 unless you play the young folk and we find out whether or not they’re keepers or guys to cut. We’re doing ourselves a disservice going forward by assuming you can figure out a player’s strengths and weaknesses against the team. We don’t scrimmage for 82 games a year.
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Agree and disagree
I do agree with you about the risk of injury. You can certainly make the argument that you should shut down some critical guys to protect them. However, in Scola and Lowry, RA has done that.
I do not agree that it is difficult to evaluate a player against his own squad. I think that it happens all the time. I don’t go to practices, no, but from various “insider” shows and articles, I understand that practices at most clubs are ferociously competitive. Guys who can show the coach flashes of talent, along with the attitude and drive, give themselves a chance to crack the rotation. Once you do that, then you get a few in-game minutes, and you do the most with that opportunity. From there, maybe you get a few starts, and then who knows. My point is that it should be done incrementally. If guys want to crack the rotation, show the coaches something in practice, offseason, etc. and it will likely happen.
This is not a courtroom.
There is no winner or loser in discussions about things that have such huge shades of gray. Yes, there are things that are just horrificaly wrong. Saying Chuck Hayes is a future Hall-of-Famer, that he should be in the NBA top 50 of all time, things like that are quite obviousely wrong. But for 80% of these discussions here, there is no right or wrong. This is not a debate team. I know that I am intelligent, but if you placed me on the stand and interrogated me, you could make me out to look like a blabbering idiot. I don’t know about most people, but I know I cannot give reasons for everything, simply because I am incable of doing so, it is a skill I lack, like how some people can’t whistle. I can’t do it, and I’m going to be incapable of doing so for the rest of my life. My favorite car of all time is probably a 1948 Caddilac. Why, you ask? I don’t know. I can’t exlain it, it’s just a gut feeling. I can’t give you a single reason or defense for the car. It’s just a beautiful vehicle in my opinion. If you put me on the stand to defend why I feel this way, you would tear me apart. I can’t do it. It has nothing due to my conviction not being strong enough on this subject.
And once again, we both agree that the young guys should get more minutes. However, I feel veterans come first. They get the minutes until a upstart can forcibly take thier position. The young ones should never be granted minutes on the basis that they have potential and “deserve” minutes. This is a game of heart, and a 10 game win diffrence is the difference of me having 10 more happy nights, and more pride in my team.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is a mixing of opinion and defendable view.
Your preference for a car is a preference. Reasons can be given for things like “Why do you support Adelman.” Support takes grounds. This does merge some gray area with other questions but definitely not all.
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True that. I just think there's more of a gray area than you believe.
But yes, I certaintly agree with what you just said.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I do sometimes take that approach that you're either pregnant or you're not.
I also see the gray, I guess sometimes I feel things are cut and dry where others don’t. For the record, one of my favorite cars is the early 90’s Firebirds.
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Dude...90's Firebirds...you make me sad.
Granted, these things are in shades of gray, but you chose a super-ugly shade of gray…. But it is your opinions so I shall respect it! Or at least say I do, then go puke a bit.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Stylistically they were beautiful.
Then again if we’re talking performance, the 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR4 got me stiff.
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I remember using that baby on Grand Turismo years ago
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
237 Horsepower 4/5door.
That was Mitsubishi’s big leap into Rally racing. Your insurance got to count it as a 4 door sedan, you got to drive it like a coupe. Beautiful.
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Good points
But I think there is a wrong decision in the beginning: to immediately trade in your reliable, working, everyday car and try to start driving the Mercury right off the bat.
I’m all about restoring the Mercury. It’s a smart move, could be a classic down the road. But all in good time. Work on it on the weekends, bring it up incrementally, piece by piece, until it’s ready to hit the road. But until then, keep the Toyota Camry, because you have to get to work somehow.
When you only play 7 guys
And still end up losing in a game that has no playoff implications and all 7 guys that play log at least 30 minutes then there is something wrong with the coach. It is time for Adelman to retire.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
just saw that dragic logged 53 minutes
that’s kinda nuts—he played every minute in the game
i think RA is on his way out. i believe this is the shortest rotation we’ve had for any game this season. it looks like RA just went with an original minutes and then distributed scola’s and lowry’s minutes across the other 7 dudes.
personally, i’d have liked to see some HT. surprised that hill didn’t get any minutes, too. kinda strange stuff going on.
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I agree.
To only have a 7 man rotation is ridiculous, especially when we’re out of the playoffs.
I hope he’s on his way out. His actions come off as childish and obnoxious.
A 7 man rotation in a pointless game……….just mind blowing.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 12, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm also wondering why Thabeet got zero minutes last night.
I don’t understand why we would call him up from the D-League playoffs only to plant him on he bench for the entire game.
Hopefully he’ll get some time in the finale.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
I was waiting for you to completely explode.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That wasn't an explosion.
Nor am I planning to explode.
My expectations are that Thabeet will never play a meaningful minute in a Rockets uniform as long as Rick is on the sideline.
Thabeet and T-Will not playing all season aren’t surprising to me anymore. Rick just doesn’t like playing young, talented players. He likes to stick to his vets. I get it now.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 12, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It's disappointing overall to me.
We could have a major franchise talent kicking around and none of us know it because of Adelman’s rotations. I continue to read about needing a center and a franchise player but none of us truly know if our solutions aren’t in Thabeet or Williams. The argument centers on security in the unknowns. It’s unknown as to why they’re not playing because the argument relies on practices and other places we have no access to and the pro-youngsters aren’t entirely sure as to what those two are.
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Yes we know that
Thabeet is not franchise talent. He is not ready to play on our team now, just the d league. You claim he is doing so well there, thats good but it is not the nba. Martin,Scola,Lowry,Hayes,Lee,Patterson are ready to compete for the playoffs now, not wait three years to see if thabeet will finally get it. I do know Williams has alot of talent but don’t know if he will be able to showcase them here.
by since86rocketsfan on Apr 13, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I know it wasn't an explosion. Therefore I'm dissapointed in you.
I was expecting all kinds of hell to break loose with the way youve been the past few months.
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Because everyone knows that players develop by watching NBA games.
We’re all probably Lebron James, we just don’t know it.
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Screw Lebron. I'm Wilt
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
You are taller than everyone
and you play in a league with almost no talent so you easily dominate?
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 12, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm amazed I'm not the only one who carries this opinion.
I’ve caught so much flack for it in the past.
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You got it!
"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 12, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprised
That my post touched off some heated debate. I simply voiced my displeasure at how it didn’t seem very rational for certain players to log over 40 minutes when we had a certainly capable replacement on the bench in a no-risk environment. I don’t even acknowledge the argument of winning against a team that has beaten us 4-0. It shouldn’t matter, at this point, the development of players is what we should be aiming at.
Also, to those who question Hasheem Thabeet’s credibility as a player in the NBA, what exactly do you have, to base those beliefs on? Do you actually have Adelman’s blog, where he constantly updates his opinions on his players? I’m pretty sure it’ll consist of his drunken regrets, over the Kings and Lakers series.
What, exactly, do you have, to base your beliefs that Thabeet will be anything?
He’s 7’3’’? There was some Chinese guy a couple years who was like 7’9’’ or something. Frederic Weis (the guy who Carter dunked on in the Olympics) was 7’2’’. Meanwhile, he got outplayed by Hamed Haddadi and Darrel Arthur in Memphis, and has proven to have practically no basketball sense on either side of the court. He’s also 24, which is pretty old from a development perspective ( how many players are there past 25 who just finally get how to play basketball? Basically non-existant.)
Bottom line? I’ve said it before – I will be extremely shocked if Thabeet is in this league 5 years from now. It’s possible that he actually becomes something ( and don’t say Mutombo – Mutombo came in this league and was dominant from the beginning), and I hope I’m wrong. And I don’t particularly mind the trade for him, especially if Battier really does bolt to LA or Miami like Morey seems to have figured he would. I view Thabeet more or less as a lottery ticket – if he gets there and becomes something, I’ll be really happy. But I’m not holding my breath on it.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
What exactly, do you have to base your beliefs that Thabeet will be nothing?
You mention his height but don’t cite 100% efficiency in his D-League games, good defensive positioning, responsiveness to coaching, a 7’6" reach with a proven defensive presence in college, and a general understanding of the game is coming around. Big men follow a 3-4 year learning curve yet you’re writing him off after two. Two years in a very poor system in Memphis.
Also, I’d watch your knock on the Grizzlies, I seem to remember there’s a pretty good starting PG in this league that played for them at one point…
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If there is a god Miller will retire and take his contract with him.
I think for Martin he has a couple years where he could be here but I would prefer he be sent out for draft picks and expiring contracts.
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And that's where I get pissed off.
Because you don’t dump a top 5 SG ( in a league where there really aren’t many good SGs) just because, especially when Martin has proven that he can remain healthy. And I’ll go ahead and state that I am absolutely certain T-Will will never be as good as Martin.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
You can be pissed off, that's fine.
The fact remains that we’re a rebuilding team and Martin’s use is limited. If we get a decent draft SG or SF Martin can give him a year to get a bench role but really the veterans should be giving up minutes to the youth. Your anger derives from some notion that we’re better than we are, does it not? We’re a team that’s going into a youth movement, not a title contender.
Also, top 5? Definitely not. Top 10? I’d give you that. Look, we all like our shiny toys and what not but we’re moving and mommy and daddy can’t move all of our shit. I’m sorry.
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Are you serious to even
think about getting rid of Martin you have to get back a player with his same offensive production. It amazes me you want to replace players who are important to the team instead of getting players to fill the holes. You are blind thats why you think we dont need size inside, a 7 foot center. And you rather trade for more draft picks and expiring deals like we are a lottery team.We are good at the point,sg,and pf. So the only reason we move one of them is to get someone in return that is better. The three and the five is whats left and they are two weakest positions. Getting a 7 footer who can defrend the paint, will let Chuck guard power forwards, with patterson as well most likely gets Scola moved, which should get us our good, all around small forward we need to come in and start. I would take Iggy,Young,G Wallace, or batum in a second but dont think Portland will trade with us,and Philly would most likely want us to take Brand with Iggy.
by since86rocketsfan on Apr 13, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with your assessment of the needs
a SF who is legnthy and can help block shots every now and then will be a huge. I love Chase but he’s not a starter on an elite team. Also, while you can argue his defense has improved, his one on one defense still sucks I mean Marion went right around him the other night like it was nothing. And also, I’m afraid you are right about Iggy and Brand being a package deal.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I am serious about it. Your inability to understand why is because you're not in agreement with me on rebuilding.
If you continue to try to force the idea that we can be competitive (Albeit with two give away trades that won’t happen) into the scenario with my view it will never make sense to you. Then again that would be a legitimate way to discuss things, understanding the other person, so I don’t expect you to try it.
The reason I would say lose Martin and Scola is because we won’t be competing for a title while these guys are at peak production if we’re rebuilding so you trade while they have value and get things that can help a rebuilding club.
As far as you saying I’m insane for “making deals like a lottery team” this might shock you but we ARE a lottery team.
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I wasn't referring to you guy
I was referring to since86rocketsfan.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
And, while I appreciate your need for my attention.
My reply was directly to Since86.
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I dont have to force anything,
if you have watched them play this year you have seen a team that competes every game. A team that lost alot of close games, games in where they were in it to the end. Games where if we had the right personnel we could of pulled it out at the end. Just look at the record after the trade, that means if we should of adjusted the roster earlier. Patterson is not far from being able to replace Scola, Martin offense is better then Lee and Bud.
by since86rocketsfan on Apr 14, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You do force the assumption that we're a compete now team when I clearly convey a rebuild attitude.
That creates a fundamental disconnect.
As far as your points as to how the Rockets could have won games, I want to award you the John Madden Award. Everything you said can be boiled down to:
If the Rockets had better players they would have won more games.
I am stunned by this. The record after the trade saw another back up who didn’t play much and a guy we’re working with in the D-League. Forcing Rick to play guaranteed minutes to certain players did more for the roster than the guys who were traded or brought in.
I did watch all of the games and we’d be a sad f*cking franchise if we didn’t compete each game. It’s called the NBA, everyone competes. We lost for lack of execution, lack of defined roles and expectations, and lack of mental fortitude. It wasn’t until their backs were up against the wall and they decided to stop making excuses that they got out there.
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Man its hard sometimes
to explain things too you.No disrepect but your basketball iq is not that high. Washington,Cleveland,Nets, those are teams who need to rebuild. This is the NBA but every team does not compete. Thats why so many teams have records under 500, and how in the east that can get you in the playoffs. You have teams that go on multiple long loosing streaks, and you compare our team to them. Madden was a great coach, so i appreciate it. You still dont get it, and still try to flip shit, after the allstar break our percentage ws 680, so like i said that meant the trades helped our team, and should of been made. We lost because we struggled on defense, and did not have the right personnel to execute.
by since86rocketsfan on Apr 15, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt this gets picked back up, but as usual, you are just floundering.
Are you senile?
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Typical you, when
what you say is combatted with facts you have to turn to insults to show you have no reply. Its just getting really old.
by since86rocketsfan on Apr 18, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not about a top 5 or 10 with Martin, it's about efficiency...
You know Daryl and all his calculations and numbers crap. The plan was to have these guys on the floor together, not necessarily to play the inside out game, but score extremely efficient. The scheme was to get teams into the penalty early, and shoot 40 FTs a game. Between the two of them shooting around 90%, it was a hell of a concept. “What could have been.”
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Efficiency is nice but again, you said he was top 5, you were called out on it, and you are now backing off from it.
Who cares about the grand design? It didn’t happen. What could have been my life if I were 7 feet tall? I could have played in a D1 School, I could be on an NBA roster, I could be making millions. None of that happened so what good is it to talk about? No one was arguing why Kevin is here.
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I never said he was a top 5 guy.. I said it's not about being a top 5 guy
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I'll say it like this....
who would you consider to be a better PG? Russell Westbrook or Deron Williams? I’m going with Deron WIlliams but because of what Westbrook brings to OKC I don’t think they would trade him for anything. Same thing about Martin, there’s others better than him, but what he can do, especially for this team, I would rather have K Mart than some other more complete shooting guards.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Depends on what you're trying to do.
Which apparently works for you but not anyone else.
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Not too long ago I made a similar post to this
And damn near the whole board came at me with pitchforks and torches. I ended up deleting the post because to many people hit their cycle at the same time and I didn’t want to die young. I thought it was ok to vent frustrations about the team but I guess that doesn’t apply to me. Some may say I’m whining but I have a legit gripe here, whether you want to believe it or not.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
It was an abuse of swearing and yelling at members of the board that lost it.
It’s not necessarily what you say but how you say it man.
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I was venting about Rick Adelman not playing T-Will against GS when we were up 20
with 2 minutes to go and DC got in before he did. I ranted on Adelman. I only got on the board when they attacked me for ranting.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
I know it's tempting to revel in the role of provoked victim but scale is important.
You have a propensity to take a slap in the face and respond by shooting someone in theirs.
TDS's resident dickhead.
LMAO!!!!
I sure do. Don’t slap and I won’t shoot.
But seriously, fairness will help to remedy some of these issues that we have on the board. It’s like when people say Thabeet doesn’t look like he want’s “it” and then comeback and grill Terrence Williams for being pissed about not playing. How is that for scale? I’m gonna chill out but don’t expect me to get kicked and give the person who kicked me a hug.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
I agree that there is a sense of consistency but when I say scale
I mean if someone slaps you in the face, tactfully backhand their crotch with grace then walk away. One must learn to troll when they are being trolled, at that point, simply ask u mad? And walk away.
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LMAO!!!
I guess that is in chapter one in the “How to be a Dickhead” book written by BD34.
I’ll try it out and see how it goes.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Pretty much see any attempt at a conversation with since86 and I.
When frustrated you just tactfully weave backhanded comments in there, make your point, but leave the underlying current of “fuck you.” in there.
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This is something that may have been said before
but the problem with RA for the Rockets right now has nothing to do with him being a bad coach. He’s TOO GOOD a coach, he takes our scrubs (and lets be honest about this) and he goes better then 500. UNREAL RESULT. Players play up for him on a regular basis. We don’t need him, we need a high first rounder, DM will bring better players in the future, but i am so confident we will take a star given a top 5 pick, that i would do almost anything to get it. our talent assessment is spot on. Let RA go to Atlanta, where they could be a contender with the right coach. let us get a developmental coach to pick up a few draft picks in the next 2 years. RA, i love the effort, it’s just not the right fit…..
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