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Soap Rockets: A Rundown Of Rick Adelman's Possible Exit From Houston

If you ask Fran Blinebury, it appears as if Rick Adelman is on his way out of Houston:

To hear the scuttlebutt, Alexander has already seen enough of coach Rick Adelman and after four seasons is ready to move on.

It will go down as one of the most curious divorce cases in history, where the party that files the papers has irreconcilable differences that are equally inexplicable.

For now, Blinebury is the sole provider of the portal into Leslie Alexander's mind. There is no Being Leslie Alexander without Blinebury's uncovering of the man-sized hole that leads us there. Now that we're inside, figuring out how exactly to make ourselves comfortable, we need to take a moment and realize that this sort of gossip doesn't normally escape Toyota Center offices. Then again, after two "meh" seasons if you grade solely by record, it's only natural for tension to build and seep into the media at some point.

There are two conclusions I can draw for Alexander to want to force Adelman out of town:

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1. Alexander does not believe that Adelman has properly engaged the youth movement.

2. Alexander wants wins, period. If he must be stubborn enough to overlook the details of why these playoff seasons were not achieved, so be it. Results are results. Some people just need change for change's sake.

In the article, Adelman offers a counter to my second possible reason:

"What team loses two people of that stature in basically a two-year type of period?" Adelman asked. "You just can't lose those types of people. You can't do it. It's impossible. It's like the Lakers losing Kobe and Gasol. I don't think you're gonna replace those guys real quick."

Adelman makes a statement with which any rational basketball fan should agree. Picture the Lakers without Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. That's an ugly picture, a team that would win far less games than the Adelman-led makeshift roster did over the last two years.

If Blinebury is to be believed, however, the front office has played blind to the elephant in the room:

What's shocking is the lack of respect that the Rockets front office has shown Adelman, refusing to acknowledge that he's kept the team competitive in an almost impossible situation and refusing to talk about the future.

Interesting. More on this in a moment.

To address point number one: what's difficult to believe about this assertion is that you wouldn't normally hear such a claim from an owner. Owners pay the bills. If the team wins, great. If the team doesn't win, it's a delayed return due to predictably poor attendance and an overall lack of interest in the team by the fanbase. That's the way it works. As such, I can't see Alexander jumping to play the younger guys at the expense of wins.

But perhaps I'm wrong about ol' Les. Perhaps Alexander -- owner of two championship rings -- is looking at the big picture. Perhaps he's different. Is he one to break the mold and embrace rebuilding in the hope that a short-term losing team could yield larger dividends in the future? Maybe.

Obviously, Adelman doesn't think the same way. It's a toss-up as to who would be right should such an argument unfold. Hypothetically, each would have a legitimate case as to what the future of the team should be. To rebuild at the expense of wins? Or to reload at the expense of a potentially brighter future?

Option one is possible, sure, but what about option two? For starters, I don't believe Alexander to be oblivious to context. It doesn't take his courtside seat to realize how many obstacles the Rockets have needed to overcome in order to win games over the last two seasons. But perhaps the marginal record has nothing to do with Alexander's distaste of Adelman. Could it be that Alexander has finally grown old of Adelman's genius offensive schemes that have seemingly come packaged with poor defensive play? Does Alexander yearn for the days of stout defense that defined the Jeff Van Gundy era?

(Mind you, Van Gundy was fired despite his winning ways. This is nothing new for those of us who were here for that situation.)

This is the question most intriguing to me, especially after  Blinebury uncovers a potential coaching candidate should Adelman be sent packing:

Alexander has a history of chasing big name players and coaches and also chasing hot trends. It says here he'll look to follow the instant success of rookie head coach Tom Thibodeau in Chicago by trying to uncover the next crackerjack assistant ready to move up.

Hello, Mike Budenholzer in San Antonio.

Mike Budenholzer. He's the man largely responsible for the Spurs' defensive prowess ever since becoming an assistant at the beginning of the 1996-1997 season. If defense has turned the Chicago Bulls around in a jiffy, perhaps it could do the same for the Rockets. Adding a star player would help, too, but only one step can be taken at a time. This could be the first move that Alexander makes on his way back to the playoffs.

I've always been one to think that Elston Turner would take over for Adelman should he decide to leave, but if Adelman is instead sentenced to walk the plank against his own accord, it wouldn't make sense for one of his assistants to take the reigns. If it's a scheme change that Alexander wants, taking a piece from the old pie wouldn't be prudent.

All of this said, there is one glaring problem with Alexander's offense-to-defense strategy, should I be correct in my assumption: what has Adelman had to work with defensively? Adelman has never been a poor defensive coach. His strengths lie in his offensive schemes, but until these past two seasons, his squads have been capable defenders. So what's the common denominator? Ah, yes. The Rockets still don't have a true center. How many of those does Tom Thibodeau have? Two.

Put it this way. If Daryl Morey isn't able to find Adelman a legitimate big body by the time he makes his coaching decision, the old ball coach may be on his way out. Or, even worse, Alexander may not choose to wait too long to get the ball rolling on the search for a replacement. Hopefully, it doesn't come to that. As I've written before, I think the future should rest in Adelman's hands, should he decide to return.

We'll have more on this develops. I'm not one to normally quote from one story alone, but given the numerous outlets that have reported trouble in the Houston front office -- not to mention that nearly EVERYONE's contract is up -- it sounds as if there could be some big changes this coming offseason.

(For a great look at Budenholzer -- someone we'll analyze in more depth should he become a legitimate candidate for a job that has yet to be vacated -- check out this piece from Tom Ziller over at Sactown Royalty).

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by TheBookOfOlu on Apr 15, 2011 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

As if fans were already in the "I have no clue" who's going to coach department.....

I think this is a great job, very nice write-up. Make the reader think. While it’s unfair to compare this situation to Chicago’s, you have to wonder what some new blood in here could do. Going to be very interesting to say the least.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on Apr 15, 2011 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Keep in mind that

Chicago has a franchise player and the leading MVP candidate. That does help you know. Thibbs is a great coach though.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Apr 15, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's why it's unfair to compare,

but yeah, go from Vinny del Negro to Thibbs, the Chicago Bulls are in very good hands

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on Apr 15, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Verbal diarrhea..

I know that this is the end of Rockets season, and the news is thin. But, regurgitating Fran, in so many words, without any insight is a bit too much!

by Kari on Apr 15, 2011 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope this was rec'd by Billy Madison fans.

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by Tom Martin on Apr 15, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No insight?

Um, there’s plenty of that here, and I would be defending this even if it wasn’t Tom.

Blinebury skipped on the insight himself. It’s one thing to say, “The Rockets don’t want Adelman, and no one knows why.” It’s quite another to try to figure out why and play devil’s advocate, as Tom did here.

I wish there was more info, too, buddy. But the Rockets have always been a relatively quiet organization. They handle things internally. We probably won’t ever know exactly why Les doesn’t like Adelman, or even if that’s true at all.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Apr 15, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your definition of insight is clearly different than mine

But really, when flipping through your Rolodex of classless ways to insult the author of a written piece, how in God’s name did you arrive at verbal diarrhea?

by poole on Apr 15, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good read

I think it is as simple as two guys that just don’t get along. Rick wants to run the show and Les does not get a good feeling about that. I think this decision will never be adequately explained because in the end I don’t think Les will really know why he did it. I do think there is a new coach in our future, but we may never really know why. Fact is, when you own the team, you don’t have to explain what you do.

by makinmajik on Apr 15, 2011 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better myself
Fact is, when you own the team, you don’t have to explain what you do.

Just look at Bob McNair. Most of Houston wanted Kubiak gone, but when you sign the paychecks you get to do what you want to do. Without McNair, there’s no Texans (debatable, I know). Without Les, there’s no championships. It’s his prerogative to change the team however he wants. If we don’t like then too bad.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Apr 15, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

les won his titles

In his first 2yrs as owner. Fact is, he inherited a chmpionship team, made minor alterations and then went the remainder of his tenure ringless.
Without hakeem there is no titles, with hakeem there is 1 second round appearance.

"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz

by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 15, 2011 8:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

err withOUT

Hakeem there is 1 second round appearance.

"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz

by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 15, 2011 8:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'll take 2 championships

in that way than any other way. So long as we’ve got the banners, I don’t care who the owner is. But that doesn’t change the fact that as the owner Les gets his say.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Apr 16, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is the best move for the team going forward.

Even though a handful of the players were loyal to him, it’s time to start playing the young guys.

I’m sure Miller is going to want out eventually, and unless he can opt out of his contract, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a buyout from him.

Our new coach is a wildcard to me.

Lawrence Frank is certainly one of the more popular choices due to his success he’s had in Boston.

Mike Brown, for some reason, is a candidate. He’s absolutely the most overrated coach to receive a COY award. Anyone who has MJ, Kobe, or Bron on their team is overshadowed by those great players, and may not deserve credit like Brown did with LeBron.

Elston Turner is another possibility. It depends on how much confidence Les and Morey have in him.

And then there is JVG, who I think actually has a chance of landing the job, if he wants it. He and Morey remain good friends, and a defensive minded coach like JVG might draw some interest from Les.

I hate to see one of the greatest coaches of all time leave, but we’re in rebuilding mode. We can no longer continue to play vets over our young guys. It’s simply time to move on.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Apr 15, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Who are the veterens that you speak of?

Some of the ‘veterens’ who played this year were:

Lowry (25),
Lee (26),
Budinger(25),
Martin (28),
Hayes (28),
Patterson (22)
Hill (23)
Dragic (25)
Scola (31)

Only two young guys did not get many minutes T-Will, and Thabeet. Neither of them got significant minutes even with their previous teams. The only guy that you can possibly complain about is the playing time of Miller. That’s about it.

Cutting Rick is a bad move.

Kari

by Kari on Apr 15, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

Martin, Hayes, and Scola are definitely vets, but I have no problem with them playing.

Maybe it’s not so much of playing the vets over the young guys(excluding Miller’s case), but more of having too tight of a rotation, excluding the young guys such as Hill, Thabeet, and T-Will out of it.

I’ve never been a fan of tight rotations, especially since we have a very deep team. Morey made it a priority to make this team deep, and it pisses me off that Rick doesn’t use it.

Sorry, but I still think letting Rick go is the right move going forward. He refuses to play T-Will or Hill(Hill’s minutes were way too inconsistent), guys who could be key players in our future, and he prefers to play players 40+ minutes so T-Will/Hill would not have to play.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Apr 15, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't consider Kyle to be a vet?

I definitely would, especially after his contract he signed last summer.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on Apr 15, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, by your standard of vet-itude here then

Anyone drafted #1-3 in the last two to three years (At most) is a vet due to rookie pay scale, which Lowry is barely above.

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on Apr 16, 2011 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's 25 years old

He’s played 5 years in the league, he’s on his second contract and made more than John Wall last year. Yes, Kyle Lowry is a veteran. If he’s not, make a case for him not being a veteran. HINT, you’re not going to. When you are drafted in the mid 20s, and your second contract is around 6 mil/year, you are a vet.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on Apr 16, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

So your threshhold for the subjective age debate is "under 30"

You do realize that only 1 NBA team has an average age of over 30, the Miami Heat.
His early career was spot minutes.. His second year he played 82 games averaged over 25 mpg.
I consider Kyle a veteran, just like I do Rondo, Gay, Brandon Roy, JJ Redick, Thabo Sefaolsha, Steve Novak, and Paul Milsap. While the term “young” or “veteran” is subjective, we can just agree to disagree.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on Apr 16, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, my threshold is "under 30"*

*With several other qualifications to it that you chose to ignore in an attempt to think you’re actually relevant or posing a valid opinion.

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on Apr 16, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok guy, I offered to just agree to disagree

but I guess trying to insult people to help your self esteem is a habit not worth fixing for yourself. I’m not sure how old, but with all the big words you like to use, I’m going to assume you’re not 5, so perhaps moving forward you can act your age.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on Apr 16, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You said agree to disagree on a point that was not made.

I am disagreeing and clarifying what I stated. If you no longer wish to discuss something in a reasonable manner just say so. Pandering for the last word is not the proper course of action.

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on Apr 16, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually,

I brought up several other players in the league who are either his age and drafted when he was. I consider them to be veterans. Also, since 2005 the average NBA player plays 8.7 seasons. Being that Kyle has already played 5, I think he’s more of a veteran than a “young” player. You also said that he played spot minutes early in his career, and actually in as soon as his second he played in every game and averaged over 25 minutes per game. If anyone knows anything about anything, those aren’t spot minutes. But like I said, the terms are subjective, there’s no right and wrong.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on Apr 16, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adelman went with a deep rotation

And it fucked the Rockets. When he shortened the rotation to 8 guys, the team took off. Look at Martin’s minutes in comparison to players of his caliber. He plays far fewer than guys in his realm, the same applies for Scola and Lowry.

by Patrick Harrel on Apr 15, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still think playing the young guys is a higher priority than attempting to make the playoffs.

Of course, everyone on here, for some reason, thinks that’s tanking.

You guys can continue to look at the present as the higher priority, but the future is mine.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Apr 16, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Veteran is a relative term

Looking only at age is a pretty simple way of defining a veteran. I’d even say it lacks insight…but I digress.

From your list, I’d label Martin, Hayes and Scola as veterans, and I think there’s an argument to be made for Lowry. You also forgot Battier. Bone’s point was that Rick’s hindering the rebuild by putting “veterans” in front of younger guys. Prior to his departure, Battier fell squarely in that category.

by poole on Apr 15, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m going to try to answer all of the points you bring up but my responses may not be very succinct:

1. The only reason Frank had his first head coaching job for as long as he did was because the Nets didn’t want to spend any more money than they absolutely had to.

I’m going to have to split the next response into two parts: 2A and 2B

2A. Have you seen how much worse the Cavs are on defense this season? And before you come back and say “that was all LeBron” check out basketball-reference.com’s defensive efficiency rankings (specificially these three: PHO 2000-2001, NJN 2001-2002, and NJN 2002-2003 – in which you will notice a common theme).

2B. If merely having Jordan, Bryant, or James on a team makes a coach overrated, than Phil Jackson and Erik Spolestra are just as overrated as Brown – see how ridiculous that statement sounds?

3. If Alexander really wants Adelman gone for bad defense, system, or not playing the young’uns, I seriously doubt Turner is likely to get much consideration.

4. Van Gundy wouldn’t even leave the broadcast booth to save the Knicks from Isiah Thomas of all people, so I doubt very much that he is interested in coaching any time soon.

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 16, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I may:

1.) Frank was a tough nosed coach but your reasoning for the Nets hanging on to him, none of us fully know unless previous ownership said “We were being cheap.” I like Lawrence Frank and I think he did well with the Nets. I’m pulling for Budenholz now that I’ve read his name. San Antonio usually turns out quality rebuilders and coaches.

2A.) A major part of the Cavs was Lebron. Brown was an ok defensive coach but you’re batshit crazy if you think the Cavs now are comparable to the Cavs last season because you also have to void Zydrunas Ilgauskas and factor in that last season they had Shaq who was a shell of what he was in Miami and even Phoenix.

2B.) It’s not having great players that makes a coach overrated, it’s the particular coach. Jackson’s knock is he won’t touch a team unless they have a marquee or legendary player. Spoelstra headed the Heat with Wade and Lebron and Chris chased after them in Miami, so he’s an unnecessary strawman in your argument. Brown only had offensive success because of Lebron and his defensive success was partially because of him but in no small part to Lebron and Ilgauskas.

3.) I agree with you there, but at least if they bring in Turner it’s management’s place to tell them “I hope you have defense for them and play our ball, not Adelman’s.”

4.) Agreed. JVG Isn’t the right coach for us anyhow.

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by BD34 on Apr 16, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

What did Lawrence Frank do well exactly?

Presided over the horrible regression of Devin Harris and had Brook Lopez go from a decent defender and rebounder to a horrible player in both categories? No young player has had significant improvement under him, and he wasn’t even that good defensively. He was consistently bottom 5 offensively and 2005-06 was the last year that he had a league average defense or better. In 07-08, 08-09, and 09-10, he had a bottom ten defense. To say he’s a great defensive coach is simply not right.

I’m with you on Budenholz (if Adelman’s not back, which I’ve already discussed), he’s built a tremendous defense and would certainly help some of the younger guys who struggle on D.

by Patrick Harrel on Apr 16, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we're looking at Frank in the last year or two of his tenure, you're right.

But prior to that he had Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson and did pretty well with them if I recall correctly. You’re unlike most Houston fans in that you actually are rational, so I ask you, look at his overall resume rather than his last two years. I know it’s tempting to look at the immediate and write something off but there’s more to it than Harris and Lopez. A rebuilding coach isn’t ALL about just playing youngsters for the fuck of it.

A rebuilding coach supplied with young players is to instill a system, a mindset, and a way of playing that will yield results. It’s the reason I don’t want Adelman back because by the time we are rebuilt, Adelman won’t be with us by the time we’re ready to compete. That’s getting ready to sprint to the finish only to find you’re on the wrong course. We’d have to shift gears under a new coach. This is why I say a NEW coach is needed. Someone who can grow with the team and forge an identity and style of play that will be used for quite some time. Adelman has experienced a lot of turnover with this roster, we’re not about to stop until we’re set with a rebuilt roster, I think. At that point, Adelman will have had to adjust too much and this squad will be in an odd place. Makeovers take time but once it’s done you need stability, growing pains need to be experienced by coach and squad alike in this case.

That second paragraph no doubt wanders in and out from anything coherent, I haven’t eaten much today and I’m jonesing on some Asian style ribs I threw together. That and some home made fried rice and egg rolls, OH GOD…

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on Apr 16, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why Frank is good and JVG is not.

They’re both young. They both have defense-first systems. Neither seems to have much of a history of developing players. The only difference is that JVG has a much, much better resume and has worked here before.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Apr 16, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure JVG is exactly “young” by real life standards.

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 16, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

and I doubt JVG is coming back

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Apr 16, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

JVG is like Adelman.

They don’t trust the young guys, and they prefer to play vets.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Apr 17, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

That dinner sounds delicious

But I think if you go with the rebuilding coach approach, you have to look elsewhere. Frank had a decent resume before the nightmarish last 2 years, but I like a guy like Mike Fratello, Budenholzer, or even Calipari. There’s too much baggage associated with the 0-16 among other things.

by Patrick Harrel on Apr 17, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ribs were a tad on the salty side, I'll remember that for the marinade.

I need to get my hands on some hoisin sauce. I’m with you on the coach thing. I feel like Frank doesn’t necessarily exit the conversation with the 0-16 thing because New Jersey was just being all New Jersey (horrible, that’s a knock on the state).

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on Apr 17, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Presided over the horrible regression of Devin Harris and had Brook Lopez go from a decent defender and rebounder to a horrible player in both categories?

I’m not a fan of Frank, but this is untrue. Harris DID become an All-Star under Frank (after his AS season, Frank coached him like 2-3 games, then Devin got hurt and when he returned the team was 0-18 and Kiki had takn over the coaching job), and Lopez was a better rebounder under him than what he’s been under Avery.

by Andres B on Apr 17, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Harris came in and played extremely well

Added major points simply with more PT and opportunities and played basically the same way he did in Dallas. When he made adjustments under Frank, he started regressing. Same thing with Lopez. Came into the league a decent rebounder and got worse under Frank (that’s continued under Kiki and Avery)

by Patrick Harrel on Apr 17, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love how you just bash Frank constantly for Brook Lopez's failure of being a good rebounder.

You know, some guys his size are just not good rebounders. Maybe he lacks the hustle to get rebounds, or he lacks the fundamental of boxing out.

Frank isn’t the blame for EVERYTHING, like you claim he is.

That 0-16 team was 0-16 for a reason. THEY SUCKED. Not necessarily Frank’s fault. And if you think it was Frank’s fault, look at Kiki’s or Avery Johnson’s “success” with the team.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Apr 17, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lopez is just a terrible rebounder

he always was mediocre and now, under Avery, he’s been just atrocious. That isn’t Frank’s fault.

by Andres B on Apr 18, 2011 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Frank coached Harris for half 2007-08 season, the entire 2008-09 season (when he became an All-Star) and something like 3-4 games in 2009-10. Now tell me how he regressed under Frank when he actually became an all-star under him. Unless you’re talking about those few games he played under him last year, which is an extremely small sample.

by Andres B on Apr 18, 2011 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

1.) Nobody wanted to hire Frank last summer, not even the Clippers, so that is a strawman argument. Also, your last comment could be considered an endorsement of Brown.

2A.) They essentially sacrificed defense for offense when they fired him for Scott (which had a far bigger impact on their performance this season).

2B.) Spoelstra was not a strawman – my point was that what you were saying with respect to having great players and coaching was ridiculous.

3.) Not playing the young’uns is the antithesis of rebuilding, and Turner has followed Adelman everywhere Adelman has gone.

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 16, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you've mixed things up.

1.) Frank not getting hired this summer isn’t a strawman, it’s something that happened. I’ve been very clear on my anti-Brown stance so to even construe anything I say as an endorsement of him just proves you’re not actually reading what I say.

2A.) You’re ignoring personnel that left in your assessment, which is crucial. It’s like saying after a wildfire that we have tons of new real estate in the torched area. We do but there’s external reasons for it rather than commercial development.

2B.) Spoelstra is, your point is moot in regards to him as coaching that talent is not difficult but he’s a coach who was there before the talent got there and didn’t do bad with what little he was given.

3.) Just because Turner has followed Adelman doesn’t mean he would turn down a head coach position if it was offered. You’re out of your mind if you think a guy wouldn’t take his shot at a major promotion and the opportunity to build a team up just because a guy was someone’s assistant before.

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on Apr 16, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

1.) The strawman argument comment referred to Frank being a hard-nosed coach. Also, you contradict yourself when you say that the Spurs turn out quality coaches and then take pot shots at Brown.

2A.) I’m not ignoring personnel; I’m saying that Byron Scott is simply not a good defensive coach.

2B.) What exactly did they do in the playoffs with only Dwyane Wade? That’s right, nothing.

3.) Whether or not he would accept the position if offered is irrevelant to this discussion.

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 17, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you even know how arguments work?

Saying Brown sucks does not automatically disqualify every Spurs assistant, he’s an OUTLIER IN THE SAMPLE.

You are ignoring personnel because it’s a major reason as to the defensive collapse.

He got them there, talent upgraded around Spoelstra, you gonna blame him for that? He doesn’t just ride them because he had “success” before them.

You raised the issue so it sure as shit is. You’re really bad at this.

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on Apr 17, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are attacking an argument I did not make.

What personnel other than LeBron? Shaq? Big Z?

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

The issue I raised was whether he really deserved to be offered the job in the first place.

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 17, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Go back and read your posts, you brought up Brown, I repeated my stance against him.

You cite two shotblockers/lane cloggers and one of the better defenders in the NBA, that makes a difference.

You raise issues, I merely respond to them, “deserving” of it has been talked to death but when considering a new coach for a rebuilding team you can really only look at the fact that you’ve gotta give it a shot, sometimes, for the hell of it.

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by BD34 on Apr 17, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

JVG would be my choice

And over adelman too.

Just need to get lucky in the draft which I don’t see happening.

Figure out a way to get Dwight Howard or chris paul, as inconceivable as that may be

by AllenOU on Apr 15, 2011 8:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Um
Hill is more than willing to fill the role

This is where you add the South Park “… poorly” to the end.

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by Tom Martin on Apr 15, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know that Hill finished in the top 15 in Blocks per minute this year right?

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Apr 15, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't addressing Hill as a good defender.

BD was talking about a shot blocker, so I mentioned that stat.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Apr 16, 2011 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is a slugg

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Apr 16, 2011 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

That he might, but Adelman may very well rank #1 All Time in

Giving Inconsistent Minutes so Fanbases can Blame Players for Inconsistency.

Let’s be honest, he needs practice with his rotations but when you’re yanked from 4 to 5 and not given any stable minutes to really get it all down, you’re gonna have a tough time nailing it down. I do love me his Blocks per minute stat though. It shows you that underneath it all, he’s got the ability for it to come together. Let us not forget how this board was raging in the pants when he handled Gasol well 1 on 1.

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by BD34 on Apr 16, 2011 6:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's nights when he brings it,

and there’s nights when he doesn’t. Reminds me a lot of Stromile Swift. There’s nights when he’s a monster and goes to get rebounds and blocks shots, and there’s nights where guards out-jump him for boards. It’s pretty cut and dry. If he brought it every night like most other guys on the Rockets, I’m sure he would be given more consistant PT, and by that I mean no DNP-CDs.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on Apr 16, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

You do nothing to answer the crux of the argument.

Inconsistent minutes breeds inconsistency.

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by BD34 on Apr 16, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Missed rotation is a miss rotation

However the minutes are, it’s really more conceptual than experience, experience will refine and solidify it, but if you dont recognize and understand it in the first place, you wont be able to get it down. It’s kind of like a doing certain kind of calculus, sure you might be able to get the right answers sometimes with algebra, but if you dont get how to solve the problem the right way, no amount of question you can do will help you learn it.

by NVP on Apr 16, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on how you look at it.

How will you ever refine or solidify the right practice if you’re only ever theoretical about it? It’s the same argument I lodge to a friend of mine looking to transfer law schools. Sure, other schools give you great theoretical backing and ivory tower legal theory but the one I’m at gives you substantive law and actual practice experience. I would love to wax poetic before a judge until he holds me in contempt as to the theory of pragmatism but I think he’d much rather I know the precedent, the reason for the decisions, and how to apply it to the case (in my eyes).

It goes both ways. More time will give him tape and practice to understand why and where he needs to improve. You don’t want to give him time for these mistakes but you almost have to to improve.

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by BD34 on Apr 16, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm, the latter paragraph didnt get pasted

Jordan Hill has done it pretty consistently, pretty much every game he does play has at least one rotation mistakes. I think it’s a sign that he hasnt learn to recognize it from the 5 positions, and since he’s miss them so so consistently, I cant be entirely sure he knew when to rotate. To me, a good amount of proper rotation can be learn from tapes and run through, unorthodox things might happen that you need to adjust on the fly, but it’s the background knowledge to prompt the proper decisions on the fly. Hill has made similar mistakes time and time again.

by NVP on Apr 16, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is still hope for Hill

Hill did not handle the 5 and Patrick just out played him to go in front of him in the rotation at the 4. He was lost in that last game. He does a lot of good things but also a lot of bad. He said he was having personal problems that were affecting his game. I think he is going to get it together, but he is taking longer than some.

by arnold p on Apr 16, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for the description of Mike Brown.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Apr 15, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Rick

I really do. But I just wish we still had JVG

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by UofTOrange on Apr 15, 2011 8:56 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, just to get on record with this

Mario Ellie would not suprise me. Guy can look the kids in the eye and say, “show me something, I’ve been there”. Yes it’s a reach, but I have been right on a reach before.

by makinmajik on Apr 15, 2011 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

and i too have been right before

On a reach….around!!
Ohh wait a sec….

"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz

by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 15, 2011 9:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

enough is enough...

R.A system cant make houston go further :

A-lways
D-epending
E-xclusively on
L-imited
M-anpower
A-nd
N-o Bench Plays..

His name speaks for itself..

ADIOS…thanks for the effort…

by jecrox11 on Apr 16, 2011 5:42 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Hey, Mike Budenholzer

I brought up his name before in one of who’s the next coach posts. I think he is a real possibility if Adelman is indeed out of the picture. Ever since Morey took over GM duties we’ve been doing a lot of operations like the spurs, like International scouting, utilization of D-league, both of which the Spurs were pioneers in. To say the SA franchise is singlehandedly built by Pop would not be an overstatement, both RC Buford and Mike Budenholzer are hire at the same time by Pop which was about the same time the Spur took off as the unshakable power of the west. He’s the assistant that’s been with Pop the longest, and his go to guy on defense, I think he’d be a great hire

by NVP on Apr 16, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

get the defensive coach from the spurs

his name was already heralded in some of these posts. he was the one responsible for a sound defense in san antonio. my vote is to get him now!

next years draft is already loaded with talent. this year may be the best time to experiment in lineup rotations i suggest to use full court defense and a fresher legs for the whole game.
if the experiment would not be great as expected, then a lot of players have talent to be drafted next year!

rick adelman, thanks for your effort in bringing houston rockets up to this point but they say a change is needed to be better. this is the risk worth taking. i would be sad to see you go but if its for the better, then pull the trigger. i salute you mr adelman. respect!

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by doctor sick on Apr 18, 2011 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Congratulations, it's about time.

I heard this on the radio this afternoon and immediately thought of this blog.

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by DWest on Apr 18, 2011 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

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