Rick Adelman Out As Houston Rockets Head Coach
Per Jonathan Feigen (via SB Nation Houston), Rick Adelman will not be returning to the Houston Rockets next season. Already, the press is scrambling to name possible replacements, ranging from Jeff Van Gundy to Stan Van Gundy and from Mike Brown to Mike Budenholzer. We'll likely see a narrowed down list in due time - it would be nice for Houston to settle with a new head coach (and likely a new direction for the franchise) before deciding which personnel moves to make in the offseason.
A few thoughts on the matter:
-- I hate this for the players. They don't deserve it. They liked Adelman and clearly bought into his system as the pieces fell into place after the All-Star break. For the players, this is a disastrous move. They proved to themselves and to the rest of the NBA that they could win with Adelman at the helm. There weren't moral victories over the second half of the season - there were actual victories.
If anything, this is going to add only more confusion and worries to a Rockets roster that has already admitted how fed up it is with the idea that each player could be on the move as a trade asset any day of the week. At some point, this needs to become a more stable organization, one that players can trust will place faith in them to do their jobs without an uncommonly large target on their backs. I realize that all of the injuries have prevented stability to a large degree, but sooner or later, this franchise is going to further distance themselves from the list of ideal free agent options. That's not something to be desired.
It's a curious case, the line between settling and progressing. I can't fault Daryl Morey for wanting to make his team better. His is a mindset that I embrace. On paper, it makes sense to keep all options open and to keep making moves to improve the roster should better options become available. But for the players and for the organization as a whole, it makes for a shaky foundation. Let's hope that this presumed "star" player for which Morey has desperately searched comes quick.
-- There is no word yet as to whether Adelman was fired or chose to leave: all we know is that the two sides could not come to an agreement regarding Adelman's future and evidently chose to end discussions without a new contract. I've said it before: I wanted this decision to be Adelman's. I love what he brings to the table. He's a proven winner, and he has still managed to lead this team to winning seasons despite horrible circumstances.
Technically, Rick Adelman has done nothing wrong. He was in the wrong place in the wrong time. He was on a team with a presumed interest in revamping a declining defensive mentality and working with an abundance of youth, even at the expense of a few wins. These principles contradict Adelman's primary philosophy, so in that regard, it made sense for him to leave. I just hope it was at his own accord, as opposed to a disagreement over contractual payments. This should never have come down to money, because Rick deserves plenty of money.
-- Apparently, the Rockets will interview Elston Turner and Jack Sikma for the head coaching job. Each is deserving of a head gig, but I'd be shocked if either was promoted by the Rockets. To me, this is a philosophical change, a change in team identity. Turner and Sikma deserve interviews by the virtues of due process, but don't expect them to land the job.
-- Stan Van Gundy would be an interesting hire, but one that I would support. I'm not sold on bringing back Jeff Van Gundy, because as good a defensive coach as he was, his offenses were THAT bad. Mike Brown falls into the same category, but it's tough to gauge him apart from LeBron James, who supposedly handicapped Brown's coaching choices. If it's up to me, I be sure to take a hard look at assistants like Budenholzer who haven't had as much head coaching experience. Maybe it's just me, but I tend to think that the newly promoted assistants can add a personal flair to teams like Houston's, one that allows them both to grow together and build a strong relationship. Not every situation will work out like the one in Chicago with Tom Thibodeau, but it's worth a shot, especially given the report of highly coveted assistants such as Budenholzer.
That was a huge rant. To summarize: I'll miss Rick Adelman. He's deserving of any praise thrown his direction. But I also understand the circumstances of the separation and that perhaps a change in direction was needed. I'm interested in what you guys think, and I'll have more to say once we hear more information.
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I hope Budenholzer can be like a Monty Williams for us.
Monty’s turned New Orleans around with his defense.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
As much as I love Adelman, I've been saying this roster wasn't right for him
So him leaving isn’t as upsetting for me as for others.
BUT
to follow it up with Mike Brown?
Oyyyyyy…..
Roster not right?
The Rockets had too many players deserving minutes but not enough playing time. They went on a tear after the trades when he was able to settle his rotations. It’s hard to believe that people blame him for playing the front office darlings in Brooks and Battier over Lee and Budinger.
Nothing like that
But it was clear as to some players never playing that they weren’t a fit for Adelman’s system. Not his fault at all and it is a testament to his greatness that he got the production out of this roster the past 2 years that he did.
I'm sad
This day is getting worse and worse
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
He is a great coach and will leave with the best winning percentage of any Rokcets coach in the teams history
He will be missed. I just hope the front office makes a good hire (basically not Mike Brown), but I am actually confident they will. They have shown that they are great talent evaluators for players, who knows, they might have been tracking coaches and assistants too with some stats. I think if we do hire an assistant like Budenholzer as Tom mentioned above, there might be actual numbers that explain that hire and that makes me comfortable.
I feel the exact same way as your post
Sad that this happened to Rick, but excited for the future. Change needed to happen in my opinion. Someone had to try and turn this franchise around, and I hope Les will make the right decisions to do that. I don’t wanna take shots at anyone about this, I hope does whatever will make him happy. He’s had a long coaching career and deserves to go where he wants. But whatever decisions the Rockets organization are about to make, they better know exactly what they want. I don’t want to be going through this in another 4 or 5 years.
by twinkilling0303 on Apr 18, 2011 6:34 PM CDT reply actions
I gotta admit Tom, if this is a rant, you're the most pleasant person to anger in the history of forever.
I’m with you on several points. Circumstances changed for Adelman, it’s not his fault, there’s no fault in this issue at all. I doubt the issue was rooted in money. Both sides recognize that we are in basketball purgatory. Never bad enough to get a meaningful draft choice never good enough to squeak into the playoffs. The last two years at least. An assistant coach to head coach hire would do quite a bit to give us a new identity, put his stamp on a club looking to embrace youth, and to have us come together with a more complete basketball philosophy.
I did raise an eyebrow when you mentioned this only adds to the players concerns about being interchangeable parts. I think the coaching has little to do with it at all. Players did come out in support of Adelman but I think the implication with Adelman’s firing is that not all the players will be the same nor should the team really embrace the ball Adelman endorsed. In that interpretation I think you’re right 100% that players can read into it and worry about stability but I think it’s a minimal group of players that need to be worried. The only guys I think that should be worried are Martin and Scola. They’ll probably have to look for new real estate, Brad will have to piss off, and everyone else, I feel, is fine. We’re heading into an embracing of young players but we need to be honest with ourselves, we needed a new identity built around a complete game, not just an offensive schematic.
I’m excited to see where we go from this point forward. You raised a good point I never considered about Brown that Lebron may have handicapped his options but his offensive schemes made me sick.
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Mike Brows Offense is
Give the ball to number 23 and clear out. I guess with us it would be give the ball to number 44 and clear out because we all know Hayes is a beast.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 18, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Brown should've pushed the ball more instead of having his players walk the ball up
They would’ve played better or possibly beat the Celtics if they ran more. Instead, you see Mo Williams walking the ball up court. That was the beef about Brown from many observers.
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i am kinda sad bros
i fux wit adelman….i think dat da playas will miss dis cat but i feel dat cat messing…but who to say that we wont get better? we obviously need sum changes but i mean i aint sure if dis was a good move but i mean i dnt kno if it was a bad one…i feel like dis was a rant also…no offense….but no defense el oh el jk………but foreal do’ we gotta see if da rockets management knows wat dey are doing before we can say we gon suck or whateva…..
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Ima d*ck so i shouldnt be dat hard to swallow
by mitmil22 on Apr 18, 2011 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Google Translate got most of that
I agree with your assessment
All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.
by hornedfrogrocket on Apr 18, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
preciate dat yall
hit me up if yall in houston
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Ima d*ck so i shouldnt be dat hard to swallow
by mitmil22 on Apr 18, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that kind of sucks
Rick wanted to be back, the players wanted him back and he was ousted for staging a battle with morey and the F.O.
He was great for us and his schemes made for, at times, very entertaining play. If we hire brown I will loose all faith in les.
Budenholzer is our best shot. He helped revamp s.a style this yr and has shadowed one of the few better coaches than rick for awhile now.
Let’s hope we make the right decision and continue to build upon our foundation (which has just gotten much shakier)
I understand that a change was needed but ill never be sold that our past two seasons without a playoff berth were on ricks shoulders.
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 18, 2011 6:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Im with you
I would be intrigued by Budenholzer as a coach here.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 18, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
No one places those results on him.
Management just acknowledges that they want a new direction, Rick doesn’t want to go in that direction, if the status quo is maintained it does not result in anything. Rick got the most blood from the stone he could and it put us at the back of the NBA Welfare line. Not bad enough to improve through the draft and not good enough to play in the second season. You gotta roll the dice at that point.
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Adleman squeezed water out of a rock
He got the most out of the players he had for sure and he will be one of my all time favorite coaches. We needed to go to a new direction and this is part 1, now we need to get a good coach. Hey at least this gives us more news and rumors to talk about in the blog.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 18, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, if you want to here what I have to say about this
If you want to yell at me for the shameless self-promotion, feel free to click here.
Rick dont leave us like that man.
Ive always been what you might call an Adelman “apologist”.
Im sad to see him go.
I do agree that a move up top could bring us back to the promise land but Im of the opinion if it aint broke dont fix it.
Adelman was a strength to the team and I liked him.
Ill miss you Rick. Hopefully you can pick up a good roster and get that ring you deserve.
H- Brown..
how bout Hubie brown..? Hes great in using bench and maximize usage of talents…
by jecrox11 on Apr 18, 2011 7:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
One little problem
He’s almost 80 years old. Other than that, I would say fine.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 18, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
havent you heard
All we wanted were 10 men rotations this season
Mark Jackson?
Former Rocket, JVG disciple, been angling for a job for years…I’d throw him an interview.
No need to feel bad for Adelman
have a feeling he’ll be coaching a team with at least a few stars next year. Heat, Knicks, or Celtics (if Doc does retire).
by goingforthecorner on Apr 18, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions
i see the knicks as his most likely destination
He’s VASTLY superior to mikey-boy, the supposed offensive wizard and unlike dantoni he stil values defense. Granted its far from his forte but he doesn’t seem to regard the defensive end of the game a nuisance like mike.
I think, were adleman to head up the heat, he’d get all the rings he wanted. His system is damn near perfect for that situation though I’m sure patty will reclaim his throne after molestra is outed this off-season.
My only real conviction as of yet regarding coaching is no mike brown. I know I’ve said it already but it cannot be reitterated enough.
We should change banner to ‘the dream shake: where mike brown isn’t welcomed, or ‘is recognized for the joke that he is’
The fact that he is considered a front-runner is very disturbing to me.
An assistant is our best bet, faace it there are not vet coaches out there who are better than what we lost and it’ll save a quick 3mil in coach salary.
Free Budenholzer!!!!!! (S.A is a great place to jack talent from and if your good enough to be pop’s right hand man from a few years odds are your pretty damn good) he’s shown a balanced approach an philosphy as far as defense AND offense, is a ball-movement pundit and low post position emphasizer with a healthy pension for cuts and pick and rolls.
Regardless it is obvious that our road to contention is blocked by on-court talent rather than schemes.
At least we know beyond a doubt that slightly above .500 basketball is the best we can get with this group cuz if that’s all a guy like adleman could render, that’s all that can be done.
Love him or hate him, the man knows how to win. You simply don’t get to 8th all time in wins (esp with that kinda w/l differential) by being a coach for the 8th longest time. Go get urself some bling adleman, sad it couldn’t be with us, but u deserve it.
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 19, 2011 9:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He'll go to Miami if they don't win the title and they'll destroy everyone.
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I don't think so
His offense is role player friendly and I think it would hinder Wade and James.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
On a positive note
I think he deserves to coach a team that is primed to win a title in the near future. We are far away from that so I thin it is a good move for him. I think if Doc Rivers retires Adelman’s offense would do well in Boston. Also, is SVG gets fired he would do well in Orlando if Dwight stays.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Am I out of the loop?
When Wojo brought up SVG, I was kind of shocked. Is there a lot of tension there? I thought SVG would be there for a while, at least until Dwight decides to leave.
by twinkilling0303 on Apr 18, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes teams just need a breathe of fresh air
And a new coach in ORL would do just that.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
The goal in Orlando is keeping Howard.
Howard and Stan have clashed more than meshed, it’s a rare but true “player is bigger than the team” situation.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Ugh.
I’d love to see Howard leave Orlando. Specifically, I’d love to see HOward leave Orlando and come to Houston. An unlikely scenario, to be sure. But his contract is up next year (if that’s even a thing after the lockout) amd man, they just cannot put the correct group of role players around him.
Now… if only there were some team that excelled at picking role players who play above their paychecks… and was in need of a defensive, athletic center…. but… BUT WHO! Dwight, you should ask friends about it! Like, say, that Courtney Lee chap seemed to have a good head on his shoulders, yes, ask him…
In any event, if SVG and Dwight dislike each other, it would make the already 1% chance of getting HOward down to, I guess, 0%. Booo. But seriously, SVG is a pretty decent coach. I like his mentality of “always be down on yourself for what you did wrong.”
Big shoes to fill
I am disapointed in Les. I too hope it was Rick’s choice. I can not blame Rick for not wanting to come back, but He deserved to come back if he wanted.
Since we are getting a new coach, I think we should take a chance on an assistant thats already in the NBA. Still hope we keep our core and whoever we have still work as a team.
There's an underlying point that can't be over-looked here
This is Houston. Basketball has for the most part and always will be 3rd fiddle in this town. It’s not fair, but it’s the way it is. Even though the other franchises and their FOs suck balls, it’s just the way it is. I’m not saying this is the wrong move, but a lot of people would be satisfied if he came back, at least the people I talk to. Keeping people satisfied keeps butts in the seats. Since 1998, this franchise has had several make overs.
1. Wow, this arena off 59 would probably be a better church, we’re never going to get an All-Star game here unless we build a new state of the art arena downtown.
2. Well, hometown hero Steve Francis isn’t cutting it here, we better draft someone interesting, how about that really tall guy from China.
3. We better trade for a ball-hogging point-forward, I think Kelvin Cato has worn out his welcome here.
Ok, I will get to the point. You know when people say they like to watch the Astros now because they are young and hustle?? And then you watch the game and there are record low crowds and seemingly 37 people there? At what cost would a “rebuilding” or “transforming” 3rd most popular in the city sports team start to hurt the bottom line? I mean it’s not like retiring Magic Johnson’s jersey and then having Kobe go for 50 in the same night. I’m not going to use a cliche “be careful what you wish for,” but… Be careful what you wish for.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
This is odd.
The Rockets were the primary attraction for many years. I’m not sure why people lavish so much attention on an NFL franchise that still resembles an expansion team after so many years, but they do.
1. The Rockets needed a new arena. This is the trend in the NBA. There are almost no old facilities in the league (meaning 20yrs +) most are 15 or less. The fact that a church occupies the Summit is weird, but that’s it. TC is a great facility, much better and easier to access.
2. Steve was from Maryland. Rockets got a shocking #1 lottery pick – weren’t the worst team. Yao was the obvious choice, and every single team would have picked him 1-1.
3. Not sure what PF you’re ranting about.
And the Rockets are the only major Houston team that hasn’t choked away a title or a shot at a title. The Texans have never gotten close enough to choke in the playoffs – they choke in the regular season and avoid the crowds. Other lesser sports Houston has some dominant teams – Comets, Dynamo, but only the Rockets have ever come through in the big sports – reaching the finals 4 times and winning 2.
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You know those actually weren't questions to be answered
perhaps the wrong audience, but instead of just typing what I think, it’s important to make the reader think. As for Francis, you should have seen the pub a San Jac College game was getting when he was there. The third obviously is T-Mac but that’s not the point. How much do you think this coaching move could possibly hurt the bottom line? We all know winning cures everything, but I don’t see this team being a contender next season.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
When you post your opinions, expect comment.
That’s how it works.
I forgot about the San Jac stuff, but I certainly think of Maryland when I think Francis, much more than SanJac.
As for coaching changing the bottom line – it’s unclear. The wrong move could honestly make this team much worse. There was tremendous player buy-in and respect for Adelman. How much does playing Terrence Williams mitigate that if we don’t have the same level of effort and buy in? Not much.
The Rockets D was middle of the road, despite no center. It’s offense was top 5. I’m not sure where Adelman really failed there, or who is going to make the D so much better while keeping the offense that good.
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Not sure how long you have lived here, but football has always been the popular sport
here in Houston. This is Texas…football is the sport here. You can tell by listening to all the local radio stations. They talk about football more than Rockets even when the Texans’ season was over already. I prefer basketball, but i’ve come to accept the fact that Houston and Texas in general is a football state.
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I know it is.
I’m just saying Houston professional football teams haven’t done much to justify their status here.
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Sigh ... Coach vs. Front Office, of course RA will never win that battle.
Neither players vs. front office, so they better toe the line or get shipped out.
At least we can plan to move on and get better, even if that initially means nose-diving. Let’s face it, we need new blood from either the draft or the youth that is already in this league.
I'm sorry to see Rick go. I look at the list of names suggested and can't see that any of them will be better.
There are some guys who are “hot assistant coaches” who MIGHT be better, but for every Tom Thibodeau there’s a Kurt Rambis or Vinny Del Negro or two.
There’s a disturbing element of the Rockets being run like a fantasy basketball team that is beginning to surface, and I’m not sure its going to end well. That was the accusation leveled at Cuban in Dallas, but Dallas has won 50+ games for 10 years now, so its not exactly a total failure.
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because Dallas has been real lucky when it comes to health of their primary players
Houston has the shittiest luck imaginable
by goingforthecorner on Apr 18, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That's certainly part of it.
When either of the Big 2 were functional the Rockets won 50+ or thereabouts.
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true....i think when Dirk got injured this season for like 7 straight games..it was the first time
he was ever out that long in this career. I almost never hear of Kidd and Terry being hurt for extended periods.
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy crap
Does this mean that we are going to play more than 7 players in meaningless overtime games now?
I'll be referencing a clutchfans post yesterday. But read hsf09's transcript of a RJustice radio interview and see some insights into FO thinking about RA.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=203598&page=7
I don’t know how to make links but scroll down that page to near the end and you’ll see the long interview.
sorry, not yesterday but the post was 10am today
I’m overseas so I can’t keep track of your time there
That means
that they want a coach who is willing to play the players that they go out and get, even if that means playing 9 people in a game.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
A clash of philosophies
yes, since the goal is to win big in the playoffs eventually and build a team that can make that happen
not just to make it into the playoffs right now
There is a sense there that if the Rockets don't produce next year, Morey could be out the door
from reading just a few posts…hmm
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Clutchfans, there's a sense there of a lot of things.
I’m not trusting any transcript with no citation that constantly refers to the Brooks trade as the Rafer trade.
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I've never been to that site until now, so i really don't know how they operate to be honest.
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You know how I mock TDS as being knee jerk and reactionary to a laughable extent?
That’s legitimately how they operate over there with a minimum of saving graces.
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I just want to be clear
This was not a firing. You can’t fire someone that doesn’t have a contract to work for you anymore. It’s a parting of ways, and that’s all it is.
Rick isn’t the right coach for the future of this team, not matter how good he is. And he is a very, very good basketball coach. Stubborn and hard headed, but aren’t they all?
I could really use either a young assistant, or one of the -VG’s I’d be happy going either route.
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My mistake
“Firing” was the wrong term. It would be more like a decision on management’s part to decline to re-sign him
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by Tom Martin on Apr 18, 2011 9:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That wasn't directed at you at all
Just to the situation in general
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I didn't want to see him goI
I don’t know if there was any other coach who could have got as much out of these teams as RA could have gotten. I hate to see him go. I do hope he has an opportunity to win a championship if he coaches elsewhere. He deserves it.
I'm a bit mixed on RA...his schemes were pretty good, but damn...his rotations kinda sucked
I guess he prefers playing veterans, but at times during back to back games, he overused the starters like Lowry and Martin. They didn’t have enough gas for the 2nd game.
Its a breath of freash air
to come in here and not read “the rockets are gonna be in the dump for losing adelman” and “Adelman made the rockets what they are” and “this is the stupidest move made by the franchise”. Im telling you people on Chron.com and Yahoo are not looking at the BIG picture, they are just thinking about the immediate future. I see this as a move to be ready to start contending again in the 12-13 season. Im fine with this move because it seems like Rick was the last piece of the “McGrady/Yao” era. It didnt work out, so its time to move on.
Oh well, theres always next season
by fanoflosingteams on Apr 18, 2011 9:12 PM CDT reply actions
I saw that in the Fanshots
With his knee tweak earlier in the year and his minutes log during Adelman’s “30 point lead isn’t enough” stint, his knee was bound to start failing him.
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People love going to Minutes Per Game but disregard timing of any prolonged stretches of minutes
or the impact of a post-injury period of extended play. It’s not the average, it’s the timing of the increased load.
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i think martin is here to stay
Scola may be gone, though id hate to see that unless it was for a top-tier guy. But martin is key to our future and a glove-like fit with lowry. Martin is moreys ideals incarnate, highly productive and efficient. A perfect #3 option after a defensve 7ft guru and excellent 2-way SF.
Great article tom, I remember ak saying something about a goal towards journalism. While not quite there, your articles are concise, lucid and well constructed. Keep it up.
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 18, 2011 9:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Martin might be Morey's ideal but will he retard the growth of another 2 guard we bring in
or be on the right side of his peak by the time we finish this rebuilding project? Personally, I feel as though Martin will be on the downslide at that point and we’ll have to bring Williams along and some of Martin’s minutes should be Terrence’s.
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Why can't Martin play SG and T-Will play SF?
Besides, every rebuilding project needs some veterans to make sure things end up right. Otherwise, you end up like the Kings or the Wizards.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
The Wizards and Kings both have veterans to stabilize things.
My argument against Martin speaks more to the fact that I think he’ll be on the down trend of his career by the time we’re ready to do anything worthwhile. For the 2/3 we have Lee, Budinger, Williams, and potential draft picks coming in, it’s going to get tight.
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hehe.....retard.....i say again, hehe
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 19, 2011 9:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Could you imagine what's going through Brad Miller's mind right now?
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I think maybe something like
“I’m getting paid 5 million dollars a year to contribute little to nothing.”
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lol, kind of like hasheem....
sorry you kind of gave a layup.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I didn't really, your vendetta saw one.
Unfortunately common sense was outside the restricted area and had its feet set. Hasheem’s actually putting in work and trying to improve, Brad is giving us some of the craziest f*cking drives I’ve ever seen.
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We do know who
it won’t be which should please some of this crowd. It won’t Lionel Hollins since he didn’t play HT either and continued to strive to make the playoffs even after RG went down.
by jbars on Apr 18, 2011 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure but
I heard that maybe Rick would be interested in a LA job once Phil Jackson retires, but I’m not sure that’s what my friend at work told me today :p
On topic, I liked Adelman, definitely one of my favorite coaches
Any team capable of winning a title will draw interest from Rick.
That’s just a common sense statement.
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The problem i see is that Kobe is so used to the triangle as well as the other players....
it might take over a season to adjust or they might not be able to adjust completely….for the Lakers time is the essence. Their window for another title is closing quick.
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Sad day...big RA fan
he did a hell of a job. Name any other team that lost its two allstars to injuries for three or so seasons in a row who won remotely more games…except maybe Portland, who still had Aldridge, and there is your proof of his worth
The van Gundy’s suck. Orlando has underachieved for a while and baldy was a boring bad offensive coach.
I say we strike out with the assistant from SA. Anyone who has worked with Popovich and done a good job has got to be worth a shot. That is the best run team in the NBA…except maybe Chicago at this point.
I will whine b/c I have reason to do so.
Lets take a honest look at our players prior to the season began with ADELMAN coaching and what happened after his coaching.
Kyle Lowry turned from a bench PG to a bulldog"ish", scoring PG capable of hanging with the Goliaths (CP, Rose, Deron…) not for his D prior to the season. His defense is much improved as he got more time to adapt despite his size difference.
-Chase Budinger looked like a player who should have stuck to volleyball, now he looks like a capable player (not great, not terrible)
-Chuck Hayes was famous for his freethrow shot
K-mart was viewed as a player who scored alot simply b/c he was on the Sac Kings – a terrible team. Now, he is a honest 2nd/3rd scorer for a contending team. HIS 3 shot looks much better.
-Luis Scola got more recognition. He is an Argentinian Machine.
-Courtney Lee improved in all facets in my opinion
P-Pat:looks like a solid PF starter and a top Bench PF.—- Budinger improved, Hill somewhat. Thabeet, and Williams have potential ( almost all young players do), but it will take at least 4 yrs for the mto turn into alright players. Williams had his chance, so did Thabeet. They had D-League games. They had more chances. and more. and more. They are simply not capable to succeed in the NBA. while those against adelman want adelman to play the fadeaway-prone Williams and low-skilled Thabeet, he has improved Lee, Lowry, Hayes, Budinger, Martin, and Scola. Thabeet and Williams are not our future. Period. Lee is young and so is MArtin and so is Lowry. He has not only improved their players, but maximized their offensive potential. He has taken an honestly sub-par group and turned them into a unit capable of beating anyone. Compare the players to the Clippers. Compare them to the Pacers. These terrible teams actually have equallly skilled, if not more skillled, players. Adelman is a constant that makes this team not only better, but profusely better. Give him young players that have upside. Look at what he has done with Lee. With PPAt. With Lowry. (Redaundancy is something I just do). No coach can improve Thabeet and Williams to a level worth NBA playing time.
-Goran Dragic: Revived….SA manipulater.
Jordan Hill (ill be honest, idc too much bout him) – still foulls, much better post moves, some nice blocks/defense
For those wanting to improve “young players”… Who can we improve? Thabeet? Williams? Hill? Budinger? -
-——Contest me if you disagree. I would love to get other opinions and maybe help convince me that this was a good decision. I am a little kid and yes I whine. Don’t hate, just dislike.
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 18, 2011 10:01 PM CDT reply actions
Whats with all the lines?
Ketchup & Mustard BABY!!!
by Start the Bench on Apr 18, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya I wasn't aware of that... I didnt know the two dashes do that.
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 18, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Reminds me of this:

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 18, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if Thabeet or TWill could ever be
good players worth significant playing time, but I bet the best way to find out is to not give them any playing time at all.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya but they had chances in their past teams. They had chances on D-League teams. I will be honest that I don't follow them, but I know that had they done well, they would have time
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 18, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Terrence Williams AVERAGED a triple double
Thabeet was churning out double doubles on 100% shooting with decent block rates, and when they came back up they were tethered to the bench. You gotta give the young guys burn to see what they’ve got, it’s ultimately the reason Adelman and the Rockets parted ways.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Do you think if an extension was in the works,
Rick would have felt differently and played the guys knowing he had a future? I also say the stupid policy regressed AB’s potential, at least this season.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I honestly don't think it would have changed Rick's attitude one bit.
It’s getting more and more press that all three deals made this season were against Rick’s objections. Of course this also begins to assume that it was all going tits up in the first place. There was a rift going on between both parties for quite some time.
When you say AB’s potential regressed due to the stupid policy you mean not paying our players? If so that’s a sentiment I agree with 100% that due to our lack of extensions or paying players they worry about job security, don’t play to their full potential, and feel disrespected by an organization they’re expected to give 100% for.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I'm sure we would be absolutely overjoyed to be paying around 9 million+
For a guy who makes Steve Nash look like an all-NBA defender and whose 3 point percentage is worse than Ariza’s.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
He demanded 9 million dollars or are we just exaggerating to prove a point to ourselves?
He made no such demand and spent a good portion of this season injured. It’s well proven that a worker who is paid and has job security does their job better, more efficiently, and happier than one who is in flux and limbo. That applies to every job, even an NBA point guard.
TDS's resident dickhead.
How much do you think we could have extended Brooks for, then?
Keep in mind it has to be an amount that’s more than Brooks would have thought he could get in free agency at the beginning of the season, or he would have just rejected it. Not to mention I know at the beginning of the season when we were discussing a possible extension that 7-9 million was generally felt to be respectable. BEST case scenario, he would have signed something similar to Conley. And that would have been a disaster as is.
In addition, just like we had to make a choice between Landry and Scola, we had to make a choice between Lowry and Brooks, as neither one really liked playing backup to the other. I think it’s really, really obvious we made the right choice.
Furthermore, if Brooks was really so affected by the contract starts and losing his spot, why did he continue to suck after starting over in Phoenix?
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I address your later argument further down on this discussion that we don't have a wide enough sample size to answer that question.
In two more years we’ll be able to see what the fluke year was.
As for your question as to how much Brooks would have extended for, this is one of my favorite responses out there. Fuck off =D. There are too many x-factors to consider. Brooks was drafted by Houston, given a starting role by Houston, expanded his role in Houston, Houston built Brooks. Money grubbing is one thing but if a guy could have been the poster child for a loyal relationship it could have been him. If we’re looking at a greedy guy, I’d go 7 mil or so. If we’re looking for a “company man” you never know. This is speculative and I refuse to discuss the numbers because there’s too much behind the scenes to give a reasonable answer.
Were we forced to decide between Lowry and Brooks? I don’t think we were. We chose to make a call because of how things wound up but prior to the injury we didn’t really have a dangerous situation.
TDS's resident dickhead.
7 million? Max?
Mike Conley signed a 45 million dollar extension for 5 years, and the perspective of everyone at the time was that Brooks was far better. So how in god’s name is Brooks going to sign for 7 million?
Secondly, yes we had to choose, as Brooks clearly was not happy being the back-up, and Lowry didn’t really like doing it either. That was patently obvious. Maybe the injury didn’t help things, but it happened, and that’s how it is.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
In addition, that rule of yours doesn't generally apply to the NBA
Do I really have to list the players who got locked into a big contract and just quit after getting their payday?
Minnesotan Rockets fan
It is a general rule applicable across all professions.
Just because some guys mailed it in after a payday does not disprove the rule. TDS has some rampant infatuation with finding two or three outliers and acting like they just disproved everything that was previously known. Basic rule of proof: A small sample size does not refute a larger body of work.
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Curry
Hughes
Cato
Jerome James.
That’s off the top of my head. Not to mention Hamilton, Johnson, and Lewis were deals that were signed without using the free market and letting the team bid against itself.
How did those guys work out with their job security?
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Again, see my arrogant waiving off of this as dispositive of any point I made.
See above dickery.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I truly feel like Aaron spent this season looking over his shoulder wondering if he was doing it right
since management wouldn’t even entertain the idea of extending him at 20PPG and 6APG or whatever. Combine injury with contracts games and a player is certainly not going to do as well as they could.
TDS's resident dickhead.
The problem with that 20 PPG stat
Is how much he dominated the ball, a fact which certain journalists like Dwyer observed. Brooks averaged nearly 5 more FGs a game last year as opposed to this year, and that was because he had to carry the Rockets team. On a good team? That’s not going to happen.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
We have a sort of new breed right now.
But honestly, scoring PGs are nothing new.
Here’s the thing, there’s a lot of talent clustered around 5’10-6’3" because there are a lot more people of that height than taller. But typical basketball thinking says that anyone under 6’3" is a PG. Period. 6’4" is basically the modern minimum size for a SG, with a few exceptions.
But not every talented player between 5’10" and 6’3" is really a great ballhandler, or passer. They’re probably good at it, because they’ve trained to do it, but GREAT passing is an art, or a talent.
There are a lot o extremely talented players at PG height but not all of them have “true PG” talents. It makes sense to get them on your team any way you can, because I think you have to be vastly more talented a player at 6ft to stick than you do at 6’3".
(Want to make your life easy in 2k11 My Player? Make a 6’5" PG.)
Non-ball-dominating great PG? Nash, Kidd, Stockton, Johnson, Rondo spring to mind.
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Those guys handle the ball more than AB did
And remember we run a motion offense. And he played off guard in the 4th quarters while Kyle handled the duties. Saying AB dominated the ball is just wrong.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Thabeet did just fine
in his D-League assignment, RA refused to play him even when the games didn’t matter, the only think I can take from that is that he had personal reasons for not putting him in the game, maybe he was mad that the trade for him happened. Either way it comes down to the FO not being on the same page as him so it was time for him to go.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
this irked me the most about RA besides the fact that he overplayed our starters
on b2b.
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
The guy bettered his resume
he felt winning games was more important than the future of a franchise that had shown jack shit interest in him. Can’t have it both ways Les and Daryl.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
or padding his total wins....i guess it did help since he became 8th all-time in wins.... :-)
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
after the Minnesota game,
it looked like he couldn’t get off the court fast enough
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I hate that
Good for him and all but he was being selfish. Rick knows he could have played more guys but he played a 7 man rotation in the last two games when we were already knocked out of the playoffs. The worst part about it is most of you guys support that move and back it up. If a player was to be that selfish we would label him a bad teammate and an attitude guy. That is just not fair.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
I think the argument has to be made though
that had Rick played the young guys, he might not be unemployed currently. It was a failure across the board but I ultimately think parting ways was the correct decision by management.
TDS's resident dickhead.
In the Fanshots they have a good interview with Jonathan Feigen
One of the issues that came up was apparently Adelman disagreed with all three trades that took place this season. I wouldn’t be shocked if some vendetta was in there.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Yeah I read that
supposedly he was mad about the “Rafer Alston trade” if that is true I am really glad that Morey was making the personnel decisions and not Rick.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Either way
the Brooks trade was a good one, if he thinks otherwise I don’t want him involved in personnel decisions with the team.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Dragic but we also need to see Aaron in three years to determine which year was the fluke.
The MIP year or this year? We’ll know when we have a few more seasons to see what he really is without injury.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Brooks lost his quicks.... Dragic is the real deal.
Ketchup & Mustard BABY!!!
by Start the Bench on Apr 18, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I really just like
that Dragic doesn’t mind coming off the bench, it is an unwanted distraction when the backup complains about not being the starter.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
So far so good....just keep in mind he was a backup to one
of the best to play the game….remains to be seen his attitude for next yr….
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, we need a broader sample size to figure that out.
Ankle injuries can linger. I’ve had tons of them.
TDS's resident dickhead.
When he lost his cool, started pouting and left the team in the 4th q...
I say that is all you need to know about ABZ. AB=0
Ketchup & Mustard BABY!!!
by Start the Bench on Apr 18, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Not this shit again.....
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 18, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry, I'm not going to delve into it.
Just maintaining that people need to let the sample develop before we write something off and walking away.
TDS's resident dickhead.
My point...
“Fine”=NBA playing time?
Shane battier would have helped the Rockets’s chances and I believe he was the reason why the Rockets did not make the playoffs. I understand the thought that b/c they have no chance to make the playoffs, they should play the younger players. Too bad, Thabeet did just “fine” in the D-League and almost everytime Williams got a chance, he faded away. I know T-will avg.d bout a trip-double in the D-League.
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 18, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Battier would have helped the Rockets chances of what exactly?
Of making the playoffs so that we could get sent home in the first round? Awesome, I would rather start building for the future.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
personally I would rather have Shane's
7+ million expiring contract right now than Hasheem and all the money he’s owed and a conditional 2013 draft pick
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Your avatar and mine are similar but not quite the same.
Just thought I would point that out.
Name is Jake too…… spooky
Ketchup & Mustard BABY!!!
by Start the Bench on Apr 18, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Rockets did themselves and Battier a favor...he is doing well with the Grizz
and we have at least a potential 7ft shot blocker…hehe
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Battier > Budinger
1)First I need to clarify the mass belief that we need to build for the future. in order to build for the future, we need to have raw, talented, capable pieces. Thunder had Durant and Westbrook. Chicago had Rose and Noah. Budinger, Thabeet, and Williams are not even close. Budinger improved to this point with all his playing time. This point is not good. Thabeet and Williams didn’t have a chance of even coming close to improving.
2) Shane > Budinger. Better defense and less stupid turnovers.
3) I honestly believe they would have a chance to beat the Spurs. If you don’t then…..
4) Thabeet is 7 ft. Can’t deny that. Can he block ppl in the nba? I doubt that. You need quickness, timing, coordination – not just height.
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 18, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
If you think that the Rockets
could have been a contender in the playoffs this year than you have much more blind faith than I.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Blind Faith?
The rockets have beaten the spurs in the reg season I know the playoffs are far different, but they have beaten the spurs and that means something. how bout Pride and Hope?
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 18, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I was proud of them for having a winning season
they would have not benefited at all by going to the playoffs without a chance of making a real run. I want to see the Rockets make a deep run in the playoffs and that will only happen after they rebuild.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
with the new coach they get...
we will See Thabeet…… Hope he does well, but…. Im tellin u.
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 18, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
How about a 1-2 or 1-3 record in the regular season against them.
Yes, David beat Goliath but do you know how many meek and mild small guys get the living shit kicked out of them by giants every day? There’s a reason survival of the fittest generally favors the bigger, stronger animal.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Do you dislike the Rockets?
I like this post. You sound like a lawyer, but i disagree with you. You gotta have hope that the Rockets could win. Im an impatient person and WANT MY CHAMP. RING NOW
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 18, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He's in law school.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 18, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I was
going to say that you are not a lawyer, but you play one on tv, but I got beat to it.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Figured you would
it is a personal favorite saying of one of my buddies who is a lawyer for use when he is in deep debates at bars.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping to get a shitty throw away case so I can stand up and shout
“Objection your honor!”
“On what grounds, counsel?”
“Opposing counsel is a total douche!”
TDS's resident dickhead.
What kind of law are you going in to?
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
ah that's popular.
My buddy is in the death business, all the money is in probate LOL. If he gets his way that’s what I will be doing when I graduate, so that’s why I ask.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Law school
it has been his personal mission for the last few years to get me to go to law school after I graduate.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The LSAT was a mind f*ck
I walked out of it not sure what was going on. Now that I’ve been in it for a bit I’ve started to understand just what they tested and how it makes sense. Whole new way of thinking. If you want any tips let me know.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Yeah I have studied with a few people
who were about to take them, I’ll get into that rotten stuff soon enough.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I usually say I walked out of that test thinking about a question that struck me as
“Walter goes to the store on Sunday. Brian goes to the store on even days. If the moon is full on the third week of June, how many watermelons will Suzanne buy on the 15th of August which is a Thursday?”
A.) 3
B.) Purple
C.) Suzanne is dead.
D.) Ham
and somehow the answer was B.
TDS's resident dickhead.
LOL
that sounds about right. I know some extremely smart people who got really frustrated due to that test.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Those assholes at Cornell even gave me a parking ticket.
If you’re not going to provide legitimate parking for non-Cornell students don’t expect me to pay your arbitrary parking tickets or NOT urinate on your buildings after the test. Douches.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I had a UT "cop" try to give me a ticket once
for bringing beer into a freshman dorm, I didn’t know you couldn’t do that. Anyway I let him write it out and everything and he started his whole “you have to pay this or they will hold your grades” speech, then I informed him that I seriously doubted that UH would hold my grades for a ticket that a UT rent-a-cop wrote. He was thrilled.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Should have peed on an administration building.
I’m oddly finding this is habit of mine when intoxicated…
TDS's resident dickhead.
Strangely enough
I didn’t pee on anything during that trip, I guess I’ll have to double up next time around.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Last time I got tanked in DC
I wound up peeing on the DC Court of Appeals. I called it marking my future work territory.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Just giving them a fair warning before they enter into a debate with you.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 18, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I like to believe that you're saying I'm a wonderful debater.
Yet here I sit, oral argument tomorrow at 11:30 and I haven’t even outlined my friggin’ spiel. I only have my brief knocking around.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I am quite the Rockets fan, ever since I was a small child
but I’m also blessed with the gift of sight and rational thought. You can talk about hope and inspiration all you want but all you wind up with is a dream getting crushed because the Spurs are bigger, stronger, faster, and better than the Rockets. You can’t take one win and call it the norm. Especially when the odds are 66% against you.
TDS's resident dickhead.
You do have some good insight
But will argue with a fence post.
david wasnt meek or mild
Just a small kid. There’s evidence which suggests that this actually happened too.
That being said the spurs would’ve kicked our asses in a best of seven.
The only way you acquire the roses or durants of the world is through the draft. Through the top 5 picks for the most part. Same goes with the noahs and westbrooks out there
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 19, 2011 12:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Except the Lakers.
Almost all their stars were another team’s pick.
Kobe #13 – Hornets pick traded to LA (one of the worst trades ever, I’d say)
Pau #3 – Memphis draftee (except for this one)
Odom #4 Clippers (and the Clippers let all their stars go)
Bynum #10 Lakers (!!)
The Rockets have now added a #14 pick, #3 pick, #8 pick, #12 pick in the last two years. This is an attempt to make or get stars. And Adelman’s refusal to play them at all basically spelled the end for him, I’d say.
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I don't think the rebuild belief is mass on this board, and it's perfectly clear, so no need to clarify it further.
1.) You say Williams and Thabeet are not the answer then you say that they didn’t have a chance to improve, what, pray tell, could they improve upon if they are not an answer? You state this and act as though it’s accepted maxim, it is not.
2.) Battier is better defensively than Budinger, Budinger is better offensively and is developing into an adequate (average) defender. Battier has a higher basketball IQ but Budinger v Battier is closer than you think.
3.) They have no chance to be the Spurs. If you think they do then I would like to introduce you to my friend reality.
4.) Thabeet is 7’3" actually with a 7’6" wingspan and responding well to coaching. He is being taught the NBA defensive game, something that was not done with him in Memphis. Let us not jump to conclusions when an experiment has been artificially handicapped.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I am with you on Thabeet
I have not seen proof that T-Will is a Basketball player yet. The world is full of TALENTED INDIVIDUALS that never made it as a basketball player. I am not saying he will not make it but I still have seen nothing to warrant him the playing time some think he deserves.
dam it. I'm in a debate with a lawyer
1)I’ll try and summarize my thoughts as best I can. Do the Spurs have the clear advantage? Yes. Do the rockets have a chance? Yes.
2) NBA defense game cannot simply be thought. Defense is not that easy of a part of the game to learn. He can be taught defense, he can be tall and long, but does he have the “quickness, coordination, and passion” – as already stated. Double Doubles are good, but that is not sufficient evidence to claim his potential is greater than Adelman’s ability to coach.
3)Suppose budinger has a better offensive game than Battier. The reason why I immensely liken Battier to Budinger is simple – Battier can guard scorers and Budinger can’t score consisently. You may claim that Battier also can’t score consistently against teams. You are right, but who cares? If both are sheerly inconsistent, I don’t care if budinger has a better o game. Battier is a leader, a defender …. budinger is young and has a better o game than battier, buyt not good enough to actually make a difference.
4) You are right that Will and Beet did not get a chance to improve in the NBA via playing time. You are right that they have potential. But, I would rather improve Lowry, Lee, Hayes, Pat. and install a winning mindset rather than go through the rigors of developing a center. You act as though it is easy. You can’t teach defense. You can’t teach alot of things.
- Take it easy on me you Lawyer.
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 18, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a lawyer, I'm legally barred from claiming I am one.
1.) The Rockets have a chance against the Spurs in the playoffs in the same way that a snowball has a chance of surviving Arizona. It’s slim and extraordinarily unlikely.
2.) NBA Defense can be taught. I mentioned this in regards to Budinger but Thabeet is capable of learning NBA Defense through coaching and playing time. Player development happens, this is irrefutable.
3.) Budinger had his second season and became a starter and we’re talking about establishing consistency? He did extraordinarily well in the starting role and is beginning to grasp the NBA defensive game. Make him capable of staying in front of his man and I’ll take his 15-20 PPG ability over Battier.
4.) You don’t have to pick either or in player development, it’s what rotations are for. You can prefer to develop everyone you listed but you don’t need to exclude Williams or Thabeet from that list. It’s not mutually exclusive. When you consider quality centers are rare and defensive ones are rare than sober irishmen do you wait to be handed a complete all star center or do you develop in house what you have? I’d rather see if I have what I need right here at home rather than ignore a potential answer.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I guess I am in the minority again.
I say good riddance. Dude gave us what? One playoff series and a 22 game streak. His offense is fun to watch I guess. I would rather have a coach that knows when to call a time out. A coach that knows when to leave his bench in the game. I want a coach that will give his young players some time on the court, especially when you know you aren’t going to the playoffs!
Peace out Rick, and take your son with ya….
What kills me is we had Thibbs in our organization!
Ketchup & Mustard BABY!!!
by Start the Bench on Apr 18, 2011 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I know it's pointless, but I still think Rick is better.
Thibs has done a good job. But there’s been a lot of defense-first intensive coaches who do really well the first year and then burn out the team after three-ish years. Larry Brown and Scott Skiles, for example. I want to see Thibs avoid that problem before I can declare him better than Rick.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Welcome to the minority opinion club on TDS.
We hold meetings on Thursday at 6PM EST and have cookies and juice for all attendees. We also have hoodies we’re selling for 15 bucks. Glad to have ya.
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Cookies!
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even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Apr 18, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I have been in the minority for a while. Glad to have YOU onboard!
Ketchup & Mustard BABY!!!
by Start the Bench on Apr 18, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
hey since you're my new twin
can you get me some of those cookies? i’m afraid im not a minority, but a brother’s a brother right?
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I've been a member since December.
It’s time for a fresh start. We’re still Rockets fans
by RoxBeliever on Apr 18, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
DM on RA:
General manager Daryl Morey said in a statement Monday night that the decision came after “numerous discussions and careful consideration.”
[+] EnlargeRick Adelman
David Sherman/NBAE/Getty ImagesThe Houston Rockets announced that the team and Adelman “have mutually agreed to part ways.”
“It has been a privilege and an honor to work with and learn from Rick during these past four years,” Morey said. “He is a Hall of Fame coach who earned the respect and admiration of our entire organization during his time here. These situations are always difficult, but we would like to personally thank Rick and his staff for their efforts the past four seasons and we wish them the best in their future pursuits.”
by inquisitiveman on Apr 18, 2011 10:39 PM CDT reply actions
I looked at the [+] EnlargeRick Adelman
and instantly thought someone got boner increase e-mails.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Only you would think that....
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 18, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rockets theme music for the summer
Metallica “Turn the Page”
Oh well, theres always next season
by fanoflosingteams on Apr 18, 2011 10:43 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think I can be a Rockets fan anymore.
I’d take Aqualung by Jethro Tull over that… Even if it is a song about a pedophile.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Ive never heard it
so it automatically disqualified. End of discussion
Oh well, theres always next season
by fanoflosingteams on Apr 18, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck a new coach.
All we need is this:

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Jerry Sloan
The Rockets should get Jerry Sloan or Phil Johnson.
The Rockets should not get Sloan.
Because Sloan is a twatwaffle. That is all.
TDS's resident dickhead.
by BD34 on Apr 18, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I will piss on
Toyota Center every single night if they do sign Sloan.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 18, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
If Phil is leaving the Lakers
no way he is coming here or anywhere else for that matter. Miami could be intriguing for him but I dont think he would leave LA for there.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 18, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
not that Phil
Phil Johnson not Phil Jackson
by edmund810823 on Apr 18, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Quickly go and find a semi
and lay down in the middle of the road so it can run you over.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
We could get Danny DeVito to coach
He voiced the character Swackhammer, head coach of the Monstars in the 1996 film “Space Jam.” He coached a hell of a game in what was possibly the biggest blowout victory in basketball history.
All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.
by hornedfrogrocket on Apr 18, 2011 11:51 PM CDT reply actions
Not gonna bad mouth RA
The man has seen and accomplish more things basketball related than well pretty much anything I’ve done about anything. He is a damn good coach, without him, the past 2 season would have been unwatchable, but I guess people would probably rather we tank for a Griffin or Wall or Cousins. I’ve enjoyed Rocket basketball during his time here, It’s not his fault that he did well without any franchise players, call it hindrance to rebuilding, call it pointless struggle, he’s made the team greater than the sum of its parts, and that’s not easy to do, for anycoach, It take scheme and chemistry to get it working overclock like that. This wasnt what he signed up for, He came for Yao and T-mac, he ends up with Chuck Hayes as his starting center for 2 year. In the end I’ll miss his brand of basketball, and dream about a time when we had both(however brief it was)
very shocking
we better get a great replacement or im denouncing les and the f.o.
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. the Astros have gotten back into my good graces so theyre allowed back into the elite club... GO 'STROS, 2011 NL Central Division Champs!! you heard it hear first!
mike brown? hell no
get that spurs assistant and i believe he would have a scottie brooks type of effect with OKC.. mario elie and elson turner are very intiguing prospects as well.. just NO mike brown
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. the Astros have gotten back into my good graces so theyre allowed back into the elite club... GO 'STROS, 2011 NL Central Division Champs!! you heard it hear first!
times up
RA will find employment and guess what? just maybe it had nothing to do with Rick not using Morey’s equations for playing time. SVG or Nellie would be fun, God knows we will need it if we continue to Start at Center a PF.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to Nelson!!!!!! He makes Adelman’s D look like Brown’s.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 24, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem
with Rick was he got so much out his players that he coached us out of the lottery two straight years. With most other coaches at the helm, we would have been like the Kings without Yao. If Morey can not bring in a superstar talent next year, Rick would probably coach us into another mid-level pick.

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