Rockets Coaching Rumors...Who Do You Want?
by Mike Kerns on Apr 19, 2011 9:43 AM CDT
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PrintWhile the debate rages on as to blame team management for the dismissal of Rick Adelman or to understand that it was a mutual agreement, some of us have already moved on to who will be holding the clipboard next for your Houston Rockets.
Some interesting, and not so interesting names have already come up in the coaching rumor carousel. Adrian Wojnarowski, seemingly the most reliable source these days in all things NBA, attached the names Mike Brown and Stan Van Gundy as possible replacements within moments of the Adelman announcement yesterday. But they aren't the only candidates whose names have come up in rumors. And, to be honest, most of them are guys that the masses do NOT want. Let us take a look at the candidates below that have been mentioned.
We all heard the rumors that Rockets GM Daryl Morey and Coach Adelman rubbed each other the wrong way for awhile now. So I have to think that Daryl might get a say in who Les Alexander decides to hire this time around. Les has always been a guy to go for the big name coaches, but one playoff series victory in fourteen seasons may have him thinking it's time to go in a new direction. Probably a young, hungry guy over a retread. Especially when he let Tom Thibadeau get away. However, that is just my personal opinion. Because a lot of these candidates don't exactly fit that description.
Stan Van Gundy: Has he worn out his welcome in Orlando? That is debatable. The team has experienced great success under the brother of Jeff, but unable to steadily compete with the like of Boston, Miami or Chicago. And with Dwight Howard making it no secret that he plans to be the next superstar that feels entitled to play in a major market when his deal is up, the Magic are likely to get blown up soon. Would he come here? I see no reason why he wouldn't. Jeff loved his time here and still makes his home in Houston. I'm sure he would recommend it to his big brother. Personally, I'd be good with SVG. I love that he doesn't sugarcoat anything and how he calls his players out when they're underachieving. He rubs some the wrong way, but I wouldn't mind this hire at all, if he becomes available.
Mike Brown: Remember that Cavs team that LeBron James was the coach of? Yeah, well Mike Brown had the title of head coach there during that stretch. There has been wild debate amongst fans of how good of a coach Brown is. Did some of the success in Cleveland belong to Brown? Or was he really a "give the ball to LeBron and get the hell out of the way" kind of guy? It remains to be seen as he didn't coach last year. I would personally hate this pick because that is exactly the kind of coach he is, in my opinion. Frighteningly enough, he is begin called the early front-runner.
Mike Woodson: This one was mentioned on local sports radio this morning. Having watched the Hawks for years, this is the one coach I would personally want less than Mike Brown. Everyone goes to the stat that his Hawks teams improved every single year under his tenure. But that was due more to the talent on the roster than anything Woody did. He's a micro-manager that wouldn't even let his point guards call plays. Quite simply, DO NOT WANT.
Mike Dunleavy: It seems like every time there is an opening at the Rockets head coaching position, Mike comes up. It's like it is obligatory since he played for the franchise years ago. This one is just a mention at best and he won't even get an interview.
Mario Elie: I know how nostalgic Houston fans can get. Especially when it comes to the junkyard dog, Mario. He's had two assistant coaching jobs with Dallas and Sacramento thus far, but no real talks of landing a head coaching job. I could see him getting an interview, but he would be a long shot to actually get the job.
Elston Turner: He's gotten head coaching interviews the past couple of seasons and it has been said that him and Jack Sikma will both get interviews for the vacancy Adelman left. Turner has a better shot than Sikma in my opinion, but I still think the team is looking for a fresh start with new guys. Turner does deserve a crack at the job though. Hopefully his interview is more than just a formality.
Mike Budenholzer: This one was first brought up by Fran Blinebury a couple of weeks ago. And, to be honest, I could see it. The team management constantly talks about how much respect they have for the Spurs coaching staff and that they are looking to emulate that kind of group. What better way to start than taking their assistant coach and giving him the reins? He might not have Thibadeau-like success, but I think this guy is ready for a head coaching spot and I wouldn't mind seeing it here. He brings success and a commitment to defense to a team in dire need of it.
Brad Stevens: This one has been mentioned by no credible source. Just a desire from a lot of Rockets fans that think he is the next great coach. No one knows if he is even looking to leave Butler, who he has led to consecutive NCAA championship games with virtually no star power. He could be a great gamble to take, but again no one knows if he is even looking to make the leap to the NBA yet.
Jeff Van Gundy: No way. He loves his current job too much and I'm sure he remembers how he was treated by Les at the end of his tenure here. It's been said that he burned a lot of bridges during that bitter divorce.
Jerry Sloan: Before you throw something at your computer screen, would it really be that shocking? Sloan has said that he isn't done yet and isn't retiring. It's hard to deny the success the guy has had and this current roster fits his type of "gritty" play. He could have great success here and it would be fun to stick it to Utah. But, his Utah roots may be too much for Rockets fans to handle. If Les is considering retread coaches, Jerry would have to be at the top of his list.
Larry Brown: No.
There have been a few other mentions like John Calipari, Lawrence Frank and Mark Jackson out there, but they are just rumors with no real merit behind it. In my opinion, I think it is going to be Mike Brown. As much as I hate it, I just see it happening. But it doesn't mean I have to like it.
Of the mentioned candidates, who would you most like and least like to see donning the Armani for Houston next year?
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Let's all remember
Daryl got his start in San Antonio, or was at least there at the same time Budenholzer was.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Im on the Mike Budenholzer train already...
Seems like he would be the right fit for the Rockets right now. A poor man’s Tibs… al la Rockets philosophy.
Budenholzer has my endorsment
I just think it’s a done deal with Mike Brown, unfortunately. Nothing to back that up, just a gut feeling.
Didnt Mike Brown interviewed here?
When JVG left, or was i crazy?
No, at least not from what I can see.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 19, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that I recall
It was almost a foregone conclusion it was going to be Rick even before Jeff got the boot.
Coming from the best run team in the NBA...all professionals, no BS...
He has my vote.
Anyone with the tainted LeDouche’s old team…where LeDouche was clearly the only effective player that was consistently in any play, Brown does not get my vote.
Also, same with the Hawks ex coach. He has proven to be a serial underachiever…though seems like a nice enough guy.
Fuck this retreading idea with older guys…unless Pop wants to come over… In my opinion we are a young team who needs a young hungry coach.
As for Sloan… Besides all of our hate for the Jazz….he has basically been running the same team plan since the 80’s…. with a good PG and good PF. Boring and obviously didn’t get him a ring, despite all the hall of famers who played for him. That, and of course, fuck the Jazz.
Shane Battier
Since he’s still playing, I realize that this is highly unlikely. But he has a sky-high basketball IQ, a master understanding of defense, and knows the personnel. And I would take him in a heartbeat over 75% of that list above
by Lawrence Person on Apr 19, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
he's selling his house
Doesn’t seem.to.be in his plans to.stay here although he could pull it off the market
by Rocket94 on Apr 19, 2011 1:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would love this so very much
"I still got this DREAM that you just can't SHAKE"- Blues Traveler
by MiniChuckHayes on Apr 19, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I got to say I LOVE this idea...
at least as a possible heir apparent, behind a more seasoned vet, …if Les/Morey wants to bring in more established coach/dead wood
I think grabbing Battier would be awesome…but I just get the vibe that Battier wants more than just bball for his life. HE wants to teach etc…
I think Shane would be a perfect assistant
to a coach that wants to use the data that Morey is intent on providing. Shane was known for pouring over stats on his next opponent. Someone who could take the data and put it into language that the less analytical guys on the team could understand and use would be perfect. Does he want to make the jump to coaching, hard to say especially if the playoffs get him pumped to play a while longer. Would he be perfect for the job, and eventually a head coaching position, absolutely!
Jerry Sloan?
Shame on you. How dare you even mention that retched name a place where Rockets fans come to meditate. I do not want the culture of flopping in Houston. HELL NO!
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
The biggest flopper of the last five or six years is Anderson Varejao.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 1, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
if were going to be a defensive
Oriented team, then changes can’t stop at Adelman. Some of our players have always seen playing defense as an option only, and will always be that way. Budenholzer? He passes the eye test because he’s a spurs assistant only. Is he a players coach or is he a stickler? You have no idea. What if a starter shows up late to a practice? Does he know how to manage egos? You know being the head coach is a lot more than that. Stan is a guy who demands attention to detail. He will call a timeout if the opposing team goes on a run. He’s a guy who will integrate a new focus on defense, and wont compromise the teams offensive strengths. In fact whoever the next coach is should get laughed@ if he tries to run a new offense.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
by jake_471 on Apr 19, 2011 10:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I honestly dont get the SVG love...but at least he isn't as boring as his brother in coaching style
I know people like to know what they are buying to some degree….but giving Budenholzer a chance may be worth while. We are probably not going to content next year with a new coach and HOPEFULLY a new center, but I say take a chance on someone who shows true promise.
And coming from Pop’s squad…I have a ton of confidence with that.
budenholzer
i vote for this guy because he’s a defensive type of coach. this team is poor in defending. another is to make a bold move to get a defensive center like deandre jordan and samuel dalembert.
an apple a day, keeps the doctor away. (true!)
i would LIKE to see it
Brad Stevens… perfect match!
uh, no
When’s the last time a college coach was ever successful at the NBA level?
When’s that? Never…? Oh yeah.
Pete Carroll
Don’t even dignify this with a response
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Wasn’t he an NFL coach? Or do you mean Pete Carril?
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 19, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow didn't mean "joke"
I meant that he definitely meant Pete Carrol
Is it possible to delete posts?
It was a joke, but yeah.
I wish SB Nation had an edit system in their comments, obviously with a “edit by .bonzo at 9:40pm” kind of thing
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Mike Brown gets a lot of hate but
Isn’t Tom Thibadeau in the exact same position in the exact same way Brown was. Both assistants from great defensive championship teams that got their first head coaching gig coaching a young phenom with a team expected to do great things. Can someone explain to me the difference.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Anyone but Mike Brown!
Living in Columbus, Ohio, where Cavs games are often televised on a weekly basis, I’ve seen my share of Mike Brown’s coaching… or lack thereof. Many occasions during TOs, Mike Brown wouldn’t even be the one drawing up the plays and it would be some assistant coach instead. The guy is also a pushover and a yes-man. LeBron pretty much made him his bitch. Although, the Rockets thankfully don’t have any LeBron-like diva players, but I would still rather not have Mike Brown.
I hate Utah but have a lot of respect for Jerry Sloan. Our blue collar type of players are a perfect fit for him. Throw tomatoes at me but Sloan would be my first choice.
Sikma is the choice!
But only if he goes full-on 80’s perm. Otherwise, I like the Spurs guy…
by Former Poet Laureate on Apr 19, 2011 11:44 AM CDT reply actions
It will be interesting to see
what happens in the off season, if the cap stays something close to what it is now and the Rockets either don’t re sign Yao, or sign him to a small contract that will give them something like 20 mil to try and get a real center. I have said that the Rockets need to rebuild, but honestly if you added a Marc Gasol or a Samuel Dalembert to this team they could be one of the best in the league.
please no Mike Brown
as far as i know he’s the one who taught Varejao to always flop when a defender is miles-away from him. Varejao is the number one flopper in NBA and i don’t want to see Thabeet to flop a lot. He should give the opposing teams a scare by blocking not flopping. Scola is already good at flopping though.
an apple a day, keeps the doctor away. (true!)
Wasn't flopping one of the biggest things you hated about the Jazz?
I’m new here, but I did see the video of Jazz flops, and it made me hate them instantly. Are there other reasons (besides “hate-able” personnel) for hating the Jazz? If not, isn’t this statement rather hypocritical? I don’t know, I was just wondering if we just hate the Jazz…well because they’re the fucking Jazz.
We would never flop.
Certainly not. Scola and Martin would die before flopping.
Scola definitely flops.
I love him, but he will flop on the defensive end
Now Martin on the other hand, is considered a flopper because of his type of offense. Personally, I don’t consider that flopping.
he reminds me of Reggie Miller
theyre good in foul bating..thats their specialty…
by jecrox11 on Apr 20, 2011 8:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
nope not me
I hate the Jazz for playing dirty… and for celebrating Karl Malone. Among many other things. Flopping is just part of the game… many Rockets have made it an art form.
Jazz thought the NBA was the WWE
Malone would shoot a jump shot while kicking the defender and the clueless Referee would call the foul on the defender. I quit watching the Jazz after I kept seeing such as that. Almost stop watching NBA
Oh my.
So many people here making assertions on so little information. I say wait till the season is over, lets see who becomes available and evaluate it then. There probably wont even be a 2011-2012 season anyway. So I think there’s plenty of time to carefully examine all the options when they become available. With that said, I do agree with the assertion that Les and Morey want a coach who’s proven to take raw or underdeveloped players to the next level. Morey’s found some diamonds in the rough, but it’s even more important the coaches can recognize those players potential too.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Apr 19, 2011 12:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Go with a NBA assistant
Rick was our best choice but since that ship has sailed go with an unproven coach. Every great coach started somewhere. The problem is there is no way for us to know HOW any of these guys will handle the job for sure. Morey is any a better position to make the call so it’s back to " In Morey We Trust." Whoever it is I just hope they do it soon and surround him with a good staff. If we are planning to really develop the young talent we have you will need a TEAM of Coaches to get it done.
Mike Brown
Would be devastating to this team for at least 3 years.
Stan Van Gundy needs to come with Dwight and bring Chris Paul. Maybe Dwight would like to get out of the stacked East.
by SpaceCityFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:51 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Stacked East?
there are only 4 teams in the East…..
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 19, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Says the guy
who seems to think the Texans’ secondary doesn’t need to be adressed in the 1st round.
by SpaceCityFan on Apr 19, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Who me?
Wow, going to bring the Texans into this? I’ve got an idea, let’s debate that here: battleredblog.com
The last thing
the Texans need to do is end up with another Kareem Jackson with their first round pick. Im hoping D lineman
Oh well, theres always next season
by fanoflosingteams on Apr 19, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they would much rather go through an aging Kobe, Dirk, Nash, Duncan and Melo-less, Williams-less West. The Bulls, Heat, Knicks, Nets and maybe Celtics will all be more than capable of winning a championship for the next four years-depending on what else the Nets can bring in.
by SpaceCityFan on Apr 19, 2011 1:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't bring up the Knicks
Everyone wants to play them. Even though they have “Stat and Melo” the Knicks couldn’t beat any West playoff team. The Nets are the Clippers, the Celtics are what the Spurs would be if they were 4 years older…. In the end, you have the Heat, and the Bulls as major contenders and the Magic, Celtics, and Hawks that are on the level of the bottom West playoff teams. The competition is much, much better in the West no matter what ESPN tries to make you think.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 19, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
thats pretty stacked for the east
3 more teams than they usualy have
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 19, 2011 4:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Chris Finch
The Rockets have loved what he’s done with their “Minor League” team and he has been a proven champion everywhere he’s been, playing and coaching. Just Saying.
Then you might as well hire Turner
They are influenced by the same system
"No one knows if he is even looking to leave Butler"
Well, other than the millions of people who’ve either read or heard him say he has no interest in leaving. :-)
Asked Feigen a couple questions in his chat
Comment From Mike Kerns
What do you think the chances of Les going for another “big name” Coach as opposed to an assistant (Budenholzer) or a less established guy (Mike Brown).
Jonathan Feigen:
Les has always chosen big names in previous coaching hires, but also went with Morey when he needed a GM. Morey mentioned several times that fans should judge the hire on results, not the name. Sounds like Budenholzer. Too soon to say, though. If Les loves a candidate, that’s where they’ll go, especially the big names.
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Comment From Mike Kerns
Would Les entertain the idea of Jerry Sloan? Not that I’m endorsing him or anything, just curious.
Jonathan Feigen:
I don’t think so, Mike. I think they are looking for someone more development oriented and to have greater input in some coaching decisions. That’s not Jerry.
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Breathe easy, Dave…
You know this is crazy of me
But I’d kind of like to see Sam Mitchell as the next headcoach.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I got too excited in that first paragraph...
Dwight Howard: would he come here? i see no reasons why not!
WHOA! i was flipping out for a moment…
Darrell Armstrong, anyone?
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 19, 2011 3:58 PM CDT reply actions
But he drinks more
So their livers are about the same age.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Old man Dave
You’re still no where close to Rudy or Barkley for that matter.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
"That's just turrible"
The BANHAMMER delivers the real justice
That's just turrible
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence
Bill, Bull and Clyde will be taking their talents to South Texas
He probably won't want to
come here no matter what. On one hand it would be smart cos this could be a really dangerous team if there was a legit center here, but Houston isn’t the sexiest destination. Carmelo Anthony wen’t to the NBA hell that is the Knicks despite the fact that they are an awful team. Will Howard make a move like Lebron and go to a team he can win with, or will he be like Melo and be more interested in a big city. Who knows?
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 19, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
you're right
Rockets do have a lot of Cap room though. I think it will depend on the coach. Howard would sure be a gem. How crazy would this line up be?
by mjdinhouston on Apr 19, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The new CBA isn't even done and the Rockets don't have "a lot of cap room" because we have no clue what is available.
Best case scenario we have something like 13 or 14 mil to spend if I recall correctly. Tops.
TDS's resident dickhead.
You are right that we don't know what the cap will be next year
but we are currently under the cap and Yao’s max contract will be off the books for next year so I think that unless there is a drastically smaller cap the Rockets should be able to go out and get a Dalembert or Marc Gasol type player, Howard will never happen.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 19, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Nevermind
I don’t know what I was thinking, we are most certainly not under the cap.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 19, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm inclined toward Turner
He is a task master but as a former player, he knows what it is like to be in their shoes. He will shore up the D. He likes the offense and the players respect him. Oh and LA won’t have to pay big bucks to get him.
I only like a handful of those choices.
I’d go with this:
Budenholzer>SVG>Elie>Turner>Sikma
I know it’s strange that I put Elie in front of both Turner and Sikma, but Turner and Sikma would likely run an offense similar to Rick’s.
I want a big change of scenery.
Morey hinted that we are going to improve via trades. He even made a more detailed statement that he wants to play the young and improving players over the old and declining players. That means Martin and Scola are going to be on the block especially come draft time, especially Scola. Martin is a system guy. Without Rick’s system, he’s not the same player. He’s not declining, but his production’s going to take a hit now that Rick’s gone. Scola only has about 2 more years of good production left, then he’ll be gone.
The idea, hopefully, is to trade Martin and Scola, or at least Scola.
In other words, I’d like us to blow up the entire team.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
I don't expect Martin to be going anywhere
he is just the type of highly efficient player that Morey loves.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 19, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
bonecrusher
you should look at some other tape. Scola may be a system guy, but Martin most definitely isn’t – he had his best season (if you neglect this past one) under Reggie Theus, not Adelman. His strengths (offensively) are 3-point shooting (something EVERY 2-guard should be capable of, and Martin is one of the best relative to the volume at which he shoots it) and isolation because of his ability to draw fouls. You don’t need a lot of cutting and off-ball motion to do that. Scola has not played for another NBA coach other than Adelman, but Scola is also not a top-10 power forward in the league; conversely, Martin is undeniably a top-5 shooting guard. I can see Scola getting traded, but Martin would probably only be traded for a superstar, and even still, probably won’t be going anywhere since his contract extends beyond the limitations of the CBA change.
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
Agreed
For better or worse, Martin is almost an anti-system guy. He scores a lot in isolation, in transition, and on spot-up shooting.
Where Martin needs a “system” is on defense. He needs good team defense concepts that hide his weaknesses (strength and weight, mostly).
Best compared to Ray Allen, I guess
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Perhaps,
But my impression is that Allen scores a lot running through off-ball screens. Which does require him to be a focal point of the offense. Martin can be really effective in that game as well (see end-of-game curl play through the lane), and it’s a bit odd that they ran that sort of play so rarely early in games. Maybe a change of system would in fact make Martin better?
On the defensive side, I think you’ve made a very good comparison. Though I must admit I don’t watch much of the Celtics, so I don’t know them very well.
Top 5 SG?
That’s a reach.
1. D-Wade
2. Kobe
3. Monta Ellis
4. Manu Ginobli
5. Joe Johnson
Martin is top 10, not top 5.
And as far as trading him for a superstar, it’s going to take more than Martin to get a superstar. He’s too one-dimensional to be considered an All-Star or a top 5 SG.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 19, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You lose all credibility for ranking Ellis at 3
Let’s just compare Ellis to Martin:
Points per 40 minutes: Martin 28.8, Ellis 23.9
Rebounds per 40: Martin 4.0, Ellis 3.5
Assists per 40: Martin 3.2, Ellis 5.4
True Shooting Percentage: Martin 60.1, Ellis 53.6
Turnover percentage (% of possessions used that end in turnovers): Martin 9.5, Ellis 10.1
With the exception of assists, Martin has Ellis beat in nearly every category. He’s a better scorer, a more efficient one, better rebounder, turns the ball over less, and is a better defender (they’re both bad, but Martin is at least 6’7" and Ellis clearly just doesn’t give a crap about defense). Saying Ellis is above Martin is just wrong, to say he’s above Ginobili is plain heresy.
by Patrick Harrel on Apr 19, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I completely disagree….Ellis is barely in top 10. He can score 30 ppg for all I care. His defense is simply one of steals and flashiness. There is no passion and discipline.
However, got to give it up to you for putting Wade in front of Kobe.
I don’t agree or disagree. Bold though…
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 19, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
What's wrong with steals?
They get you easy buckets.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 19, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade is better
Kobe just gets overrated with his closing ability. Wade has more ability and always has his foot on the gas. Kobe tends to cruise a bit too much at times.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Ellis is top 5 in steals every year.
He does contribute on defense. Martin does not.
And besides, Ellis always has the ball in his hands because GS sucks.
Ellis is the more dynamic scorer. He doesn’t need to rely on the whistle. Without those touch fouls, Martin wouldn’t average 20 PPG.
And Ginobli is a much better player. He can take over a game any time. He’s a much better defender than Martin, and can get into the lane at will, and will actually try to finish as oppose to throwing the ball up in the air crying for a foul.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 19, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree Ginobili's above Martin
You said that Ellis was above him, which I had a problem with.
Criticizing Martin for going to the line is absurd. Just because he is smarter than Ellis doesn’t mean he should be criticized for it. He’s so efficient because of his smarts. Ellis doesn’t get to the line nearly as much and is much less efficient.
And besides, Ellis always has the ball in his hands because GS sucks.
So… he should be scoring more than Martin?
To say that Ellis is better than Martin on D because he steals the ball more just shows that you haven’t seen him play nearly enough. He’s among the worst players in the league on that end, gambles at every chance he can, and lets his guy by him constantly. Martin has gotten to be average, Ellis is still way behind.
by Patrick Harrel on Apr 19, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I fail to see how Martin has improved defensively.
And, I’m not criticizing Martin for going to the line so much. I’m criticizing him because he relies on going to the line so much.
I’m not sure if you watched every game, but if Martin did not get those calls, he would struggle, and was ineffective.
If he doesn’t score, he doesn’t contribute in any other way. That’s a key reason why I dislike both he and AB.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 19, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Most players
struggle when they are fouled and it is not called…
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 20, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Iverson contributed on steals
But was a non factor on defense.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Steals are a key thing for some teams, and players.
Ellis and Iverson may not be great defenders, but they contributed by getting steals.
All three of these guys get owned on defense, but only two of them, Ellis and Iverson, contributed in some way on defense.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 19, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Their offense is so dynamic that I don't hate them as much.
They are mediocre 1on1 defenders, but AI and Ellis contributed to their team’s defense by getting steals. Martin doesn’t.
I just hate how Martin relies on the whistle so much.
Guys like Ellis and AI don’t rely on the whistle, nor do they need to. Martin does.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 20, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
There's discussions about Ellis, but I'd also argue against Johnson
The Johnson of the past may be better, but not the one this year that couldn’t even reach 20 ppg and isn’t even the best player on the Hawks. Not to mention that if Atlanta proposed a Johnson for Martin trade, we would laugh in their face for reasons having nothing to do with on the court and on the payroll.
Manu’s better, Kobe’s better, Wade’s better. Than Martin.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
And as far as "drawing fouls,"
on nights where he doesn’t get those ridiculous touch fouls, he struggles.
I refuse to put someone who relies on the whistle so much like Martin does as a top player in the league.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 19, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You hate anyone not on the All-Defensive team
No one is going to take you serious on your player evaluations because you are heavily biased against guys who don’t excel at defense. Just let it go.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Yes,
I’m not a fan of great defenders.
But I’m also not a fan of very one-dimensional players, like Martin is.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 19, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Absuard
Relying on the whistle?- relying on fouls?
My friend, free throw shots are a good thing.
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 19, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes,
I know.
But he does rely on the whistle too much.
He struggles when he doesn’t get those touch fouls.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 19, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
Not nearly as much as Martin.
Sure, LeBron, Rose, ‘Melo, D-Wade, and Durant go to the FT line a lot, but when they don’t, they can still put up numbers. I vividly remember a couple of games in the second half of the season where Martin wouldn’t get those calls, and he was terrible in the game.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 19, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Gonna have to back Bone on this, Martin's game is predicated on whistles.
Which in a playoff scenario makes him nearly harmless if his three point shot isn’t falling. He accentuates touch fouls that go away in the post season. Great scorers can get to the line but it’s an incidental issue to their dominance and ability to score. If your game is predicated on refs bailing you out or calling a game closely then you need to move down the totem pole to guys whose game is predicated on putting the ball in the basket from anywhere on the court in any situation. Martin is not of the latter category.
Everyone saying “fouls are good!” and “it’s not Martin’s fault he’s smart!” I want you to take a good long look at your argument and realize:
No one is arguing that getting fouls is bad, it is argued that RELYING on fouls to get you points is.
Define smart? If Martin were on most any other team this board would complain about his reliance on drawing fouls. It’s entirely circumstantial for this board’s praise.
Don’t diminish defensive contribution as well, for the lapses a guy may bring if he’s getting steals and causing fast breaks and easy conversion points he’s doing SOMETHING. The knock on Martin has always been he’s damn near invisible on the defensive end, gambling on a steal wouldn’t be bad.
TDS's resident dickhead.
And this is based on what sample size of
Kevin Martin not being able to elevate his game if it were the postseason? You have a point, but who’s to say he doesn’t flop trying to get to the rack, as opposed to getting to the rim? He’s battled freak injuries that has impacted his game, I believe that in the playoffs he would leave a little bit more on the court, as far as his quick first step ability.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
You are probably right about Scola
but I think Martin would be effective in most systems. With a nice post up center he could still flourish. We have Hayes and Patterson in the 4 position and perhaps Hill as a back up 5. We have some nice draft choices to trade up with or just trade.
I honesetly would be fine with starting hayes at the 4
if we get DH and trade scola….. if if….
Scola can be effiective in most systems too though. His points are off of clever post iso’s, mid range shots, sometimes drives. Most coaches implement a system where the PF posts/ shoots mid range…..Its pretty basic
by Just A Little Kid on Apr 19, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
if we got howard two things would happen
1) Morey would solidify his place in GM pimp-dom
2) the firing of r.a would bite us right in the ass
He’s a win-now guy. We get howard, we’re poised to win now. Sad thing is, this line-up is tailor made for howard to come in and win rings WHILE leading the team as undisputed alpha (ala old school setup) and he will never some here.
I’m just waiting for blake’s contract to run out cuz you know he’s not stickin around with the clipps and as he’s from oklahoma he’s kinda local…kinda.
As a third thing to happen, id prolly shit myself…all over my own face and id be glad to do it.
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 19, 2011 5:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
RA's offense becomes magical when there is a good passing big. Howard is NOT that.
Not sure what’s with the new obsession for Howard on this blog lately, but the guy is beyond overrated. No way in hell he comes to Houston and I’ll be more than happy about that.
Sure, maybe back in the "old days" when there were more dominant centers
But these days, Dwight’s athleticism is enough for him to be the best center in the league.
However, I really don’t have an opinion on getting him. Hell if we get him, that would be great, but could be counter-productive to our youth-development….but he’s only 25, so that’s kind of a bullshit statement.
Best center by default because the REAL best center is injured.
Howard is considered “best” mainly because he’s popular and is a box score stuffer. Other than that, there’s not a single “winning gene” in his body. The only championship I see the guy winning is a contest of who can be the biggest goofball.
Good points
Now obviously, when healthy, Yao is the better center and probably the best center in the league. I was just saying that right now, he is the best center in the league, for better or worse. I guess I’m not as down on his tenacity as your are. And I’m pretty sure that our defense would improve dramatically.
but more to the topic at hand
No to damn near everyone. Id rather have a short bus regular like mike brown than sloan. Not to say sloan isn’t good…ohh wait I am saying that. His ‘foul and flop constantly’ philosophy has no place here and his ‘i need h.o.f calibur pg/pf tandem to be remotely successful’ strategy would not suite us. When adding his ‘i like to molest myself and burn my genetalia with hot wax’ mind-frame, I think it becomes clear why sloan wouldn’t work out.
I get the sneaking sucpision that mike brown will be the hire, which will make me a very sad panda. Id like the idea of an assistant as they have more to prove and will develop alongside our players leading to a potentially very close-knit unit.
Although a great coach and worthy candidate tirner would be akin to adleman b-sides as far as style and culture are concerned. I’m fairrly sure bud is the best assistant out there atm.
I like the idea of lawrence frank but he’s being primed to replace doc I believe.
As far as the gundys go, I’m sure jvg remains slightly jaded and svg is a little too abrasive for this club. If you thought stern had it out of houston before, just wait till stan’s at the helm. Teams would avg 20 more ft attempts per game against us.
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 19, 2011 7:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Rockets are not going to be in the conversation of acquiring Dwight Howard
Morey said it could potentially work with Adelman moving forward, they couldn’t come to common ground. Let me guess, Rick wasn’t too fond of the 7’3" Tanzanian stagnating the offense.
Our GM is blind, deaf, and seemingly dumb. How many fucking times is he going to say “We’re going to trade to improve the team.” Hello, why in the hell would anyone want to come here and play for this guy? Seriously, what kind of perception is this organization going to have. Did you not see the team’s effort after the deadline when they actually knew what bed they were going to sleep in? Did you not hear Kevin Martin say the slow start was due to uncertainty? I wouldn’t want to play or work for a guy who’s only constant is change. Holy Christ, you people are blind if you don’t see this. The Rockets are already the third most popular team in this city, a 30 win season will make them more irrelevant than the Dynamo. This guy is playing with fire, and it’s going to affect Les’ bottom line. Daryl, this isn’t a video game in “begin franchise” mode. You are destructing this city and their basketball team. What if your wife said time after time, I’m going to keep looking to make my situation better? What if ya’lls bosses constantly said you guys have a job until I find someone better? Remember when Moochie Norris was our closer in the 4th quarter. Multiply that by 25 and that’s where this team’s heading.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
What's he supposed to say?
Our team is fine as it is? And I would say there’s a lot of other factors that can account for approval after the deadline.
Anyways, the Rockets will always be at best second because people think the Texans are awesome for some reason, and I don’t know the relative popularity of the Astros and Rockets as I haven’t been in Houston in years, but I think the fact that the Astros utterly suck does not help their case. I don’t understand the need for hyperbole and acting like the Rockets are on the verge of destruction or something.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
dude, don't get me started
as much as people give him shit, T-Mac made the Rockets relevant again when he came here. I’ve said that since 1998 this team has gone through some transformations. This begins another one. While there’s a lot of people including myself who’s passionate about the Rockets, there’s shit piles of people who can tell you the starting rotation for the sucky Astros, and when you ask them who plays for the Rockets they say Yao and some dude with long hair. Trust me, it’s a fact.
What did I expect him to say??? How about anything but throwing our current roster under the bus. Say we have a lot of draft picks and money to spend in free agency. Say anything but TRADES. Even if that’s the right way to go and it probably is, don’t fucking say it first, and multiple times. No one wants to come here because we don’t extend during the season. This not only quantifies that statement, but takes a shit on our current roster.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I agree, but calm down.
Yes I agree with your sentiment in that players tend to play better with job security. You bring up some good examples, and I’m growing suspicious that Houston’s apparent lack of a market isn’t the only reason “stars” don’t want to come here. This lack of stability/job security is definitely pissing the players off and definitely affected their play. So Morey shouldn’t have thrown them under the bus….but calm down.
Let me guess,
you don’t have tickets bought for next season do you?
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Touche?
No I’m not a season-ticket holder, but just because you’re paying money to go to the games doesn’t justify you treating the Rockets as doomed because of Morey.
look the guy has made some great moves
Im not going to discount that. He’s got what it takes to be a great gm, but did we not learn anything from this last season? How about toning it down just a little bit. And im not just saying this in regards to our current players, but what’s the perception of this organization from players around the league? You want to improve the rockets? Great let’s do it. But having your current players checking hoopshype everyday to see if there’s rumors swirling around their name probably isn’t good for morale.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
by jake_471 on Apr 19, 2011 11:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
sorry for the rant
Its just that I go to games I buy the $7.50 beer, I buy the over-priced attire…. every year business owners spend zillions on trying to get customers opinions whether good or bad. They just got mine for free. I still have faith but so far the reassurance from the front office has left more to be desired
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
by jake_471 on Apr 19, 2011 11:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No it's no big deal
It’s just that sometimes, people generally tend to get in heated arguments and the like. In fact, I had no right to interrupt your rant, because it’s obviously not just you. I rant, everyone rants.
Either way, I totally agree with how Morey has messed up a bit in terms of reassuring the players
That's way more than a gallon of gas
I’ll pass on the booze.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Don't equate marriage and business, one is based entirely on common sense and profit and the other is dictated by women and inherently senseless.
Your rant basically boils down to you whining that the Rockets aren’t a perennial title contender because you go to games. I hate to disappoint you but the reason the Rockets are second fiddle in the city of Houston is because they’ve been consistently bland over the years. No spice, no flare, no flat period, just consistently not good enough to compete or consistently not good enough to get an energizing draft pick. I hate to piss on your parade (I love to) but you can’t be handed a championship contender.
The statements Morey made in his press conference were very simple “This team is headed in a new direction, we need to do something, change the team, change the mindset, and suffer a little bit but for a payoff.” Nothing in that comment was negative. The team sure as hell knows they’re not title contenders, and if they don’t they need to start paying attention to their season. You’re panicking because you think the entire roster is going to be gutted and that’s not the case. There’s going to be turnover but the only guys to worry should be Martin, Miller, and Scola.
Les wants player development and he wants to go harder with free agency if possible. This, to me, implies that maybe we’ll start paying our f*cking players to breed stability and get rid of our negative perception amongst agents that we’re infatuated with contracts games. You say it’s not in “begin franchise” mode but what mode is it in? You seem to suggest consistent mediocrity is a great mode to be in but many people say they want a championship. Sometimes you have to step back to get more distance on your jump and that’s what this team is doing. If you don’t agree with it, don’t go to the games, no one will fault you. Wizards tickets are cheap, I’ll enjoy getting to see all my favorite teams and some great games on the cheap when they roll in to town, enjoy that benefit. The truth of the matter is we weren’t going to succeed with what we’re doing barring a bail out from a free agent or a give away trade. Something had to give and something did.
Don’t be the guy covering his ears and screaming LALALALALALA when it finally surfaces that this team isn’t as good as the fans overrate it.
TDS's resident dickhead.
For once, I generally agree.
I mean, what would you like more? Morey saying that…………..and I’ll observe Kahn stated in press conferences this year more or less what jake thinks Morey should say. It sure as heck didn’t make the players give more effort or make the Wolves fanbase happier.
The team’s in transition. That means there’s going to be change, and a lot of it. If you’re going to blame Morey for calling a spade a spade, then so it goes.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Again, there's another way to go about this....
and I openly said in the rant that this team probably needs to make trades to make the team better. But, like I’m sure most of you other guys do, I don’t see other franchises and their GMs every week when I go to hoopshype or real GM and see the words “everyone is expendable.” I’m more dissapointed in the way he’s going about things, than the fact that change is inevitible. I do believe that sometims loyalty and the company men approach is the way to go. I do believe that there are some players on this current roster who could be pivotal to a contending team one day. As much as people bitch about Rick not developing talent, you can bitch just as much that the front office has made every player look over their shoulder.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I think you are just as blind and ignorant
It has nothing to do with whining because they aren’t contenders. It has everything to do with the GM saying every week no one’s job is safe. Even if that’s the fucking truth and it should be, do not be so public about it. It’s simple. Did you not see the elevated level of play after the deadline? Did you not see all the publications about the players’ slow start to the season due to uncertainty? You know, I don’t think it’s a coincidence. I believe change needs to be made, but there’s certian ways to publically go about it. Please in my rant let me know where I said we are a contender now and we don’t need to change? In fact I said the opposite in that trades are probably the way to go. So once again, you put words in my mouth and waste more bandwith. How many GMs throw their entire current roster under the bus like this?
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I dare you to show me where Morey explicitly said "We're going to trade everyone"
He’s been active in trade talks, we all know that, the players know it, and he’s not really going to be able to suppress that info in today’s world. Whether he says it or not doesn’t matter all that much, as people will know that the Rockets are active in the trade front anyways. As long as the Rockets are active in trade talks, (which they should be), it’ll be like this. The alternative is to well, do things like Kahn did.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
“We believe in the plan: the plan is to try to continue to bring in quality players who are improving versus declining as much as possible, and continue to work to use trades.”
That’s just from the presser the other day. But I’m going back to the deadline, and the weeks going up to it. Every single week there was another publication about how everyone is expendable. And if you think that’s true and the way to go, then awesome. How about showing a little bit better poker face to help morale. Everyone’s game elevated after the deadline. Coincidence?
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
My response is:
If Morey doesn’t talk about how we’re going to use trades, what actually changes?
Because regardless what he says or doesn’t say, the Rockets will be active in trade talks, as this roster won’t win a ship and everyone knows it. And information about those trade talks will leak out. And because we don’t have a superstar, there will be still be concerns about who could be traded. Do you really think it’s Morey’s talk about how no one is expendable that leads to the problems you claim, or the fact that the Rockets are active in trade talks? And if it could be the latter, what the heck is he supposed to do? Not be active in trade talks? That’s even dumber.
Secondly, “Hey Morey, so who on the roster is tradeable or not?” How does Morey answer?
If he BSes, then that doesn’t decrease uncertainty about who could be traded. If he says “Only player X and Y are untradeable”, then that gets everyone in the locker room annoyed at those two. If says “Everyone is untradeable”, then he’s either a moron or a liar aka Kahn. So he chooses to be honest about the direction that the Rockets are in right now.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Personally, I think the tone of Morey's speech should have been more optimistic rather than realistic
No, we don’t have a superstar.
No, we don’t have a championship-caliber team.
However, realize that the 17-8 run brought a lot of confidence to the team, and the Adelman firing/this speech has done 3 things.
1. It showed the players that the front office doesn’t have faith in them. Even after the players requested to keep Adelman and after the 17-8 run, the front office basically told them the team needs to go in a new direction…publicly.
2. It does decrease job security. Sure, everyone realizes they could be traded at any given notice. But, unless I’m wrong since I don’t listen to other GM press conferences, players will probably be more anxious because, to them, it seems as if Morey is publicly and actively trying to ship them out.
3. As a result of number 1 and 2, there appears to be a rift growing between the Houston management and players in general, as it has been made clear on this blog that another reason for superstars’ lack of interest in Houston, besides Houston’s apparent lack of a market, is probably what the players consider as the front office’s faithlessness
My point is, sure, Morey is correct in his assessments. Just because it’s true, however, doesn’t mean he has to say it. He could say “We finished the year strong, and I’m excited for what we can do next year.” I just tend to think that this is like the Doug Collins scenario, where he said that they couldn’t beat the Heat when the Heat were playing well. It’s true, but don’t say that publicly.
HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean that what Morey said will permanently affect the team. Sure, I personally think that he could’ve gone about it differently, but I’m not trying to exaggerate the effects of his press conference lol.
You want to make trades/acquisitions to make the team better?
Awesome, great job, you’re actually doing what you’re paid to do. And this team definitely needs to go that route. However, using the term “trades” very loosely hurts the morale of the team, and isin’t the most professional way to go about it. That’s all I’m saying, if you don’t agree, fine.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
When Hoopshype or ESPN discusses how we’re actively pursuing Bosh or Melo, does that hurt morale?
Because those rumors will exist as long as well, the Rockets are doing it, which we know they are. And how will Morey refusing to talk about it ( because he will be asked about that stuff) help matters?
Minnesotan Rockets fan
my beef isnt about actively pursuing
A superstaror betteror players. Its with the approach, and its rooted by the front office and their loyalty policy or lack there of. It would be one thing if ur a gm and you say everyones on the market and that style has brought about winning. But that’s obviously not the case. Bringing in premier players is the goal right, we actually agree on this. Our front office is not held in high regards to being loyal and rewarding. This approach makes houston a less desirable franchise.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
by jake_471 on Apr 20, 2011 8:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What approach?
The approach is “We are actively pursuing superstar players because we do not have one or anyone who has a real possibility of becoming one.” This, however, is basically a fact which everyone inside and outside Houston knows, and so not mentioning doesn’t mean everyone’s going to close their eyes and ignore it. Everyone is on the market if we can get Anthony or Bosh, and everyone knows it, regardless of what Morey says to the media. The only way he could possibly dispel that is to say something like “We won’t trade Lowry in the Melo talks” and then we’d be asking what the heck is he thinking? There is no alternate method of approaching the pursuit of a superstar, unless your position is just “fuck it, we’ll tank.” And that also hurts morale, it’s just that we don’t care anymore because winning isn’t important.
And how has the franchise been worse off because we’re not loyal or something? I remember this crap being spouted when we traded Ariza, but it sure didn’t hurt us this year considering how Ariza has been playing compared to Lee. If you really think Bosh didn’t choose Houston because we weren’t nice to Landry or something, you have got to be kidding me. You treat elites better than you treat people who are ordinary at their jobs, this is an approach that anyone who has worked a day in their lives knows.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
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How about Bill Lambeer he won 3 wnba tiles 2 NBA titles and he is an Assistant with Minnestoa. Maybe he teach Thabeet to become the new Prince of Darkness like he was back in Detroit!!!!!!!
our team..
is like a training pool..once the unknown player develops..oftentimes they become trade chips..but this time i guess the core should be main intact..all we need is one star player…if not for the lucrative contract of B-Roy..i wil go for him since hes being reduced to a supporting role and being outcast and it seems he is no longer like by his team..and he is so frustrated..i feel he can come back just like ginobili..
by jecrox11 on Apr 20, 2011 12:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Brandon Roy has the injury bug.
Right now he’s literally a less annoying T-Mac, which is unfortunate.
Personally, I think don’t think he will bounce back, though that just because this Portland team reminded me so much of our Rockets team a couple years back
Bill Laimbeer!!!!!!
The Pistons are just waiting to scoop up Bill Laimbeer as their headcoach. Plus he has coaching experience. I’d like to see him bring some of that big man toughness he is famous for and teach it to our players.(If Thabeet didn’t come to play he would be looking for a new team the next day.) He is young and would give the rookies a chance.
by Michael Wolfert on Apr 20, 2011 10:54 PM CDT reply actions
What? Laimbeer is the absolute last person this team should be looking at to come in and coach!
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 1, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
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