Jerome Solomon Has A Morey On His Mind
At some point, I hope Jerome Solomon of the Houston Chronicle stumbles upon the realization that there is more to sportswriting than attempting to rip Daryl Morey.
Take a look at each of the last three "articles" that Solomon has published on the "Rockets."
If you don't see a clear agenda over the course of reading these pieces, I advise you to gather your resume and submit an application to the Chronicle yourself; you shouldn't have much trouble landing a paycheck. My guess is that if you show up to work on time and improve yourself as a writer with each proceeding week... well, they'll probably fire you. Such is life.
Over the years, I've generally supported the moves that Morey has made since being named general manager. Looking back at the circumstances surrounding each transaction, it's difficult for me to find many faults in Morey's decision-making. It's not Morey himself that draws my support. Sure, he's a nice guy, or at least he appeared so when I met him for a brief interview in South Padre earlier this year. But for purposes of clarification, I have no personal connection to Morey whatsoever. I evaluate his job without any form of bias, I can assure you that.
On the contrary, I think it's clear that when evaluating the Rockets, Solomon sheds aside any fair analysis on the basketball team -- you know, the group dressed in red that takes the court and actually plays the games and such -- in favor of employing closed-minded absolutes to nail Morey to a stake. Why? Because it makes him sleep better at night, that's why.
Let's have a look at the analysis. Brace yourselves for a long, boredom-induced ride:
April 21, 2011: As a GM, Morey has some nerve
At least we've established the subject in the title. Alert, America: Daryl Morey is the subject of this article. Let us begin.
Maybe Daryl Morey is feeling the pressure. That's good. He should be feeling it.
Possibly the least-biased statement to emerge from Solomon during his week-long tear. Cherish it.
The Rockets' general manager just ran off a successful coach because of an unwillingness to bend.
"The Rockets' general manager and its head coach failed to agree upon a shared philosophy and parted ways." Wait, does my version lack a risqué tone? Damn, it appears so. I knew I should have watched more TMZ this week.
Rick Adelman, the successful coach with the Rockets' all-time winningest record percentage-wise (with the team and overall), just bailed on the fresh-faced GM because of his own unwillingness to bend.
Solomon actually forgot to include a link to Adelman's Wikipedia page, as well as a highlight package dedicated to praising the backdoor cut, as gracefully backed by the song "You're The Best" by Joe Esposito. But I suppose I can excuse such an atrocity. This time.
The difference between the two is Adelman has more of a track record of success, and at 64, the old dog isn't inclined to learn many new tricks. Rolling over for a new-school GM certainly isn't one of them. Who can blame him?
Just what a last-place team needs: a stubborn, old school ringleader. No, I can't blame him, Solomon. But what I can do is picture Brad Miller showcasing his innermost desire to play the point guard position while Patrick Patterson and Jordan Hill wonder exactly how last-place the Rockets need to be before each of them can receive proper playing time. Oh, and if you don't take a liking to my referencing Houston as a "last-place team," you should stick around a while longer. Trust me.
But unproven though his philosophy might be, Morey's unwillingness to toss it out isn't necessarily a bad thing, either. If you don't believe in what you're doing, you aren't likely to be very good at it.
If Morey hasn't been unwilling to make a few changes to his philosophy -- such as, you know, hiring a new coach for the very purpose of changing the team philosophy -- then... actually, I'll stop there. Made my point mid-sentence. That's always nice.
It takes nerve for a sub-40-year-old with all of four years running an NBA franchise to tell the likes of Adelman, who entered the league before Morey was born, what a team's philosophy is and will be. If the Texans' young GM told his less experienced, less successful, non-Hall of Fame head coach what it is and would be more often, perhaps that franchise wouldn't be in such a sad state.
Lesson for you young Houston-area sports writers out there: when looking for padding with which to back a statement, always fire one off towards Gary Kubiak. Hopefully, we'll forget what you were trying to say in the first place and instea... OHMYGOD KUBIAK? WELL DON'T GET ME STARTED!
Not that a GM should be heavy-handed. Morey was smart not to dictate to Adelman whom to play and how to play them. The key was Morey made trades Adelman didn't like and has yet to make the trade that would make the Rockets a contender.
"Solomon, how dare you hide from Morey the gigantic red Successfully Trade For Dwight Howard Button. He's the GM, for goodness sakes, it belongs to him!"
Note: If Carl Landry for Kevin Martin wasn't an idea conjured straight from Adelman himself, I'll be damned. Also, while Solomon and I each wanted to swap Aaron Brooks straight up for Deron Williams, only one of us appears to have the wherewithal to notice the obstacles in that approach.
"We're not a championship-caliber roster right now," Morey said.
Hardly.
"Morey's unwillingness to toss out his [philosophy]..."
Adelman got more out of this team than Morey gave him to work with. In the last two years, he rustled up a fairly tasty batch of chocolate chip cookies out of one drop of chocolate and a spoonful of sugar.
Shame on Morey for not "giving" Adelman a healthy Yao Ming. What a jerkface.
Morey has spent as much time at the grocery store as any GM in the business, but until he shows up at a news conference at Toyota Center to announce the acquisition of a star, there isn't a chef on the planet capable of delivering championship cookies from this dough.
In the meantime, while Morey continues the difficult search to find a star player, it looks as if the only smart thing to do is for the Rockets to hire a development-oriented coach who isn't hell-bent on winning a championship this season! But wait... what does this mean for Miller? Hold the phone! Are you telling me that Brad Miller won't be allotted minutes anymore? WELL THEN HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP?!
One problem with the stated desire to find that special chocolate chip is the current nuts on the team can't help but wonder how, or if, they fit in the recipe.
Again, you can't necessarily blame Morey for that. That is the cost of doing business when so many other teams are working with better ingredients.
I'm confused: does Solomon want the Rockets to tank or not? Better ingredients come from tanking -- i.e. youth and draft picks; the recipe to cooking up the Deron Williams trade -- but if this team is trying to avoid falling to last place in the division and is thus simultaneously battling for the playoffs, keeping Adelman would make sense, right?
But perhaps Morey has learned that trolling the aisles shouting, "Get your nuts here!" isn't great for team morale. He managed to upset players who were traded and those who weren't. Not to mention the entire coaching staff, which had to deal with those nuts every day.
That's inexperience. Or something.
Hey, look: a valid point. No, seriously. I actually agree with this and have ever since it appeared to be an issue.
My only quibble with this assertion lies in this question: if Solomon wants Morey to acquire a big star, how else does he suggest a GM to assemble a package other than to A) Replace an ancy, "wins-only" coach with one comfortable with reloading or rebuilding, or B) Move parts until they add up to the whole? See what I'm getting at here?
Of course, every player on the roster is on the trading block. Not one Rocket is an irreplaceable chocolate chip. It'll be that way going forward, too.
Morey, who puts more pressure on himself than he admits publicly, just needs to stop talking about it so much.
Morey is an OK GM. He could one day prove to be a very good one. Rockets owner Les Alexander is gambling that he will one day be a great one.
All valid points, although I do question the divide between a public versus private sense of instability. If average to above-average players find out that they might be traded through listening to 610, a reality check may be in order. News flash: 40-win teams who miss the playoffs aren't likely to remain intact for too long.
Danny Ainge went from decent (or worse) GM to great GM when Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen fell in his lap.
They fell from the sky, and not from trading prized draft picks, budding star Al Jefferson and coping with the worst season in franchise history. If Solomon is giving Morey a hard time for a plus-.500 finish, I'd hate to see him lay into Ainge prior to him making two no-brainer deals.
Solomon tangents to a Les Alexander paragraph before returning to Morey to close:
One of Morey's strengths - he is quite willing to pull the trigger on player moves - should be attractive to a new coach. (Too many of these nuts are terrible defenders.)
One of his weaknesses - no one knows if his plan will ever deliver a big-time winner - only adds to the pressure. We're at the point where it is time to stop roasting the nuts and start looking at the guy who brought them here.
We'll assume that Solomon has already consulted the "Rome wasn't built in a day" phrase and chose to disagree with it. That's my only explanation.
April 17, 2011: Rockets' last-place finish is unacceptable
We're actually going to go in reverse-order for the time being. Why, exactly? We've seen what Solomon can do in an article directed squarely at Morey, but now we're in for a treat. Here, now, is an article written four days prior to the Adelman Separation, in which Solomon transforms a commentary on the Rockets' season into a Morey roast. Again, not that the players themselves matter or anything. The Chronicle can simply toss those relevant notes to the sidebar, just so the agenda isn't completely obvious.
Last place is unacceptable. That would be the opening and closing remarks of Daryl Morey's State of the Rockets address, whenever he decides to give one.
"Well you know, Jerome, actually, the way the NBA playoff seedings work, it's not necessarily the division standings that determine..."
The Rockets' general manager might as well get to it. The playoffs started Saturday, and his team isn't in them. Again.
All that truly matters right now is that the Rockets finished in last place in the Southwest Division, behind San Antonio, Dallas, New Orleans and Memphis. This is the team Morey has built.
"Actually, what matters more than divisional standings is that the Rockets came up just short in the conference..."
It has been a long time since the Rockets, this city's proudest and winningest major sports franchise, finished last.
"You seem to be missing the point. The fact that the Rockets finished last in their division doesn't exactly matter or make much of a..."
How long?
The Kings were in Kansas City, the Clippers were in San Diego and the closest thing to Air Jordan was Alia. The last time the Rockets finished last, Ralph Sampson was a rookie, Hakeem Olajuwon was Phi Slama Jamming it and Kyle Lowry was minus-2 years old.
"Now you know that I always appreciate a nice history lesson, but for the relevant purposes of this article I think we need to make clear a few things..."
A lot of good and bad has happened to the franchise in the 27 years since it last finished last, but none of that matters now. The most important thing that happened to this year's Rockets is they finished last. That is the message.
When you actually finish in last place, it is misuse of the Lombardian thought to say that everybody who doesn't finish in first place finishes in last place.
"Again, Jerome, the Rockets technically finished in last in their division, but if you'd like to make a more logical point, they actually finished ninth in their conference -- the barometer for playoff contention -- and managed a winning record despite..."
You surely shouldn't brag about how you battled as a team. Or how you hung together through thick and thin. Or how you put up a good fight, played hard and never threw in the towel.
"Gee, I sure hope that in exactly four days you don't decide to make a case for keeping Rick Adelman because that would really make you look..."
What would have happened had you not battled, not hung together, not fought, not played hard and tossed in the towel? Would you have finished more last?
"Winston, I need you to call the NBA front office and find out if the Rockets could have indeed finished more last than they actually finish-- WIPE THAT GODDAMN SMIRK OFF YOUR FAT FACE."
Last-place futility in the early 1980s brought superstar players Sampson and Olajuwon, who would lead the team to the NBA Finals in two years (and in the case of Olajuwon, eventually to a pair of league titles.)
"That may be fine and dandy, but last place futility in this day and age could bring stellar Duke point guard Kyrie Irving! We're not sure if he's fully healthy and he only played twelve games in college but boy would he add some much needed size to the Rockets' frontcourt, just like ol' Hakeem did, eh?"
This year's mediocrity got the Rockets a 0.5 percent chance of having the No. 1 pick in the draft. That's half of 1 percent. The same as last year, when the Rockets also finished with the best record among teams that didn't make the playoffs.
"Look, I can find the facts myself, but now that you've finally decided to leave this whole 'last place' business alone..."
Morey might think of that as an accomplishment, but it simply means the Rockets are last in the NBA welfare line. Of the places for an NBA team to be, that may be the worst.
Either you don't want to be in that line - meaning you're playing this weekend - or you want to be at the front of it.
Clearly, even before Morey and Adelman went their separate ways, Morey didn't consider this season to be a success. I'm fairly certain that he didn't want to be in the line to which Solomon alludes. Also, is Solomon really finding ways to fault the GM for a three-game difference in the standings? Really?
The last time the Rockets missed the playoffs two years in a row was during that fateful stretch when Cuttino Mobley and Steve Francis were the team's leading scorers every season.
Bad days, those. Bad days, these.
For a couple of years now, Morey has been talking about how well-suited the team is to make something substantial happen. We're still waiting.
I'm fairly certain that the whole Yao Ming absence thingy may not have been in Morey's plans when he made these claims. Can we fault him for not adequately finding a backup for Yao, despite finding Miller amidst a weak class of free agent big men? No, because then Solomon would have to criticize and doubt Yao. And that can't happen.
The uncertainty of who would and wouldn't be here was a distraction early in the season. Turns out nothing major happened.
"So if you're calling for a big move to be made, and if you're at the helm of arguably the most widely read media source in the city, and if YOU'RE the one talking about distractions..."
Would Morey trade his roster for that of Memphis or New Orleans?
I dare anyone to pose this question a few years down the road, especially when considering New Orleans.
Are Lionel Hollins and Monty Williams better coaches than Rick Adelman? If not, why did their teams - Memphis and New Orleans, respectively - finish ahead of the Rockets?
"Wait, so we're comparing one subpar year in the midst of a franchise's slew of 50-win seasons to the Grizzlies' first playoff series in... how long? Is this not the best Hornets' roster we'll see for a few, if not more years to come?"
Memphis has won more games than the Rockets in the last two years. So have nine other teams in the Western Conference. Had Chris Paul played in more than 45 games a year ago, the Hornets, who have won just two fewer games than the Rockets in that time, would be on that list, too.
"Oh, nice. We've expanded the window to two years. That's totally more fair."
Oh yeah, injuries hurt the poor Rockets more than anybody, right?
Remember when things looked so promising a couple of years ago when the Rockets got a first-round playoff series win over the Trail Blazers?
I'm not sure how promising a guaranteed second-round exit to Los Angeles is, but go on...
Since then, with Greg Oden having played in a total of 21 games in the last two seasons and Brandon Roy starting only 23 games this season, the Trail Blazers have returned to the postseason twice, winning 50 games last season and 48 this season.
Portland plays Dallas in the first round. The Rockets are playing golf and video games.
"OK, fine, you make a decent point. Portland's been hurt as much as anyone. But let's be careful, eh? We're talking about Yao Ming and Greg Oden in the same sentence? And we're comparing Brandon Roy's 59-game absence to the Tracy McGrady benchfest that took place over the course of multiple seasons? Not to mention the fact that Portland was in the gutter when their roster was rebuilt, as opposed to Morey taking over during a winning stretch? WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO CONTEXT, HUH?"
That gets us back to the story of the 2010-11 squad, the state of the Rockets.
"I'm no English major, but isn't this part of the article supposed to go in the beginning or somewhere close because that's the implied subject and my teacher said..."
It's not the decent post-All-Star game run. It's not Kevin Martin finishing in the top 10 in scoring. It's not Chuck Hayes being better than duct tape. It's not Kyle Lowry stepping up to be a team leader. It's not Yao Ming going down, again.
Seriously. On the third-to-last line of an article dedicated to discussing the Rockets' season as a whole and what went wrong, Solomon finally mentions the names of a few players.
And it's not - to paraphrase Bill Clinton - the economy, stupid.
It's last place.
"Last place!? Come ON, I thought we were past this!"
April 22, 2011: Addressing Daryl Morey's Assets
I won't keep you for much longer. To keep things short, Solomon dedicates an entire blog post to proving to the world that Morey has indeed used the word "asset" in an interview after Morey claimed otherwise. Really, that's the basis for the blog post. Solomon could have addressed the issues surrounding Morey's use of "assets" -- you know, in the sense that he can be tigger-happy at times, something that Solomon either likes or doesn't like, I'm not exactly sure.
But wow, Mr. Solomon. Thanks for taking the rigorous investigative reporting route. You would have made Woodward and Bernstein proud.
To summarize, I wish Jerome Solomon could spend more time handing us better information and making better arguments than those he presented. Should he decide to include Morey as a reason for a team's lack of success... fine. I have no problem with that. Certainly, as the GM of a team who hasn't made the playoffs in two seasons despite striving for that very goal, I think Morey is deserving of skepticism. But for Solomon to make out Morey as his single target, and for an apparent personal vendetta to overshadow his coverage of the Rockets... well, that forces me to produce 3500 words questioning the approach.
Our conversations shouldn't be about me or about Solomon: they should be about the Rockets. Not solely about Morey, either, but about the Rockets. They're the ones who play, remember? It shouldn't take a fourth article to finally address those guys.
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Love the piece by piece rebuttal, made me happy on the inside. One clarification though:
“We’re talking about Yao Ming and Greg Oden in the same sentence? And we’re comparing Brandon Roy’s 23-game absence to the Tracy McGrady benchfest that took place over the course of multiple seasons? Not to mention the fact that Portland was in the gutter when their roster was rebuilt, as opposed to Morey taking over during a winning stretch? WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO CONTEXT, HUH?”
The article referenced Roy only STARTING 23 games, so it was a 59 game absence on Roy’s part.
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Shoot, completely missed that.
Edited.
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People comparing Oden's and Yao's fragility as if they were the same never ceases to piss me off.
Yao, for the vast majority of his career was extremely reliable. Oden, for his entire 4 years has never, ever, been reliably available. It’s as if the PDX 1-1 was just vaporized. Which makes Portland’s accomplishment very impressive, but in no way is the impact of losing Oden comparable to losing Yao because Oden has never been there to rely upon.
If Oden manages to log one more AVERAGE Yao season I’ll be surprised.
The last two years Yao has been injured, like Oden has been. But in 7 (seven) other Yao seasons the lowest game total is 48. The highest is 82. Oden’s highest games played total in 4 seasons Oden’s highest total is 62 games in one year, 21 in another and zero in two more (0,61,22,0)
Compare this to games played in Yao’s first four years – 82, 82, 80, 57 games a season.
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by Xiane on Apr 26, 2011 4:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not surprised
The comicle sucks ass. Its an ‘i can read’ newspaper, I expect nothing less than poorly substantiated personal vendettas
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 24, 2011 8:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
yeah, when Solomon started writing about nuts and cookies in an article about basketball, I knew he had totally lost it.
Maybe he tried to audition for a Rockets job and he was rebuffed. I don’t know, his writing is full of malice and he targets only one person—not even Les, only Morey.
Right! haha
I’ve been guilty of making some silly analogies from time to time, but then again I don’t write for a Newspaper either.
Makes me think he was desperate to develop a pivotal analogy to drive his point and more importantly to meet a deadline and gazed over his messy desk riddled with vintage Rockets memorabilia, black and white spy photos of Morey, and a half eaten cookie sitting on his desk and Pow! Inspiration struck and Solomon knew he’d found his way to connect to the readers!
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Apr 24, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
he's been ghost writing
for the food channel
by mjdinhouston on Apr 25, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
it really is sad
I want to like Solomon because his writing style can be a good read……. but his grudge against Daryl Morey (who is without a doubt the best GM among the big 3 in Houston) is just nonsensical.
Did Daryl sodomize Jerome’s ex-fiance (only in the strictest legal definition)??
I guess the Chronicle just needs to create new ways to use the ink on their pages, because simply repeating “the injuries to Yao and McGrady ruined the Rockets’ chances for a championship in the past and the immediate future” would probably get old after a while. What the F else is Morey supposed to do? Every single trade he has made has worked in the Rockets’ favor. There are yet to be any exceptions to this rule. That’s a ridiculous statistic… and one that should cause Solomon to shut the hell up about Morey.
T-Will
I like Morey, but the jury’s definitely out on the T-Will trade. With all of these underclassmen staying in school, that 2012 1st rounder could have come in migthty handy.
nah
None of those guys that returned to school are going to be the superstar that would have taken us to the next level… T-Will has more immediate talent than any of them.
Barnes
As far as Perry Jones and Sullinger go, maybe…but Barnes? I feel he’ll be a stud, whereas T-Will I project as maybe a really good role player
Williams has ridiculous athleticism and beautiful court vision with the ability to play some lockdown defense.
He can pick up a shot, and if that smacks of roleplayer to you I think you’re running the Dream Team.
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I can only hope the next coach that gets the golden key from Les
doesn’t hesitate to use it to unlock the Pandora box that is known as T-Will.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Apr 24, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you on that. I really want to know if we have a stud or fool's gold.
At least if we get an answer we’re not in limbo anymore. I get the feeling that’s why the Rockets split with Adelman. “Let us see what we have so we know where to go.”
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If T-Will is the reason for Rick's departure it is sad
I understand T-Will Is athletic and has talent, He only got about the same amount of very limited playing time as Patrick did at 1st. If you are saying a proven coach was let go because he did not play an unproven player that came in a mid-season trade, that is sad. I have more faith in Morey than that. While I think not keeping Rick was a mistake, I will still support the decisions that Morey has made even when I do not agree. While he has not landed us another superstar, he has improved the Rockets whithout any longterm bad contracts. Respect should be given to people that has earned it not to what a person might one day do.
That is a gross mischaracterization of what I said.
I said the split was because of Rick’s inability to give time across the board to the young players so that we could evaluate talent. I think my earlier statement applies here. We might be sitting on Michael Jordan on a player but if we have a coach who won’t play the guy and let him foster that, he will forever be written off as a bust or underachiever, will he not?
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Not trying to twist your statement
I just think people think too much of T-Will. He is beening judged on what people think he can do. Coaches are being blamed for him not succeding because they have not given him a chance. Rick was not the 1st coach that did not play him. I guess I am just too dumb to understand.
People give Avery a free pass because he's a colossal anus.
Rick had no reason not to play him. That’s why people can be harsh on Rick.
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What I saw when he played I would have left him on the bench too
When I saw Patrick in same small chances I said I want to see more
Let's be fair, in his first two appearances he showed up strong
then his minutes dried out and he stopped giving a shit.
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You must not have watched his first two appearances
In the first one he could have had 7 assists in limited minutes but his team mates decided stone hands and blown lay ups were cooler. In his second he penetrated easily and got his.
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"He can pick up a shot"
BD, if you’re right about that, then I’m with u. I just don’t know think he’s a particularly good shooter yet…
Really good role player?
No.
His ceiling is honestly a first or second option player.
He’s got elite athleticism, great handles, great vision, and is a gifted passer. As soon as he develops a jumper, he’ll be a very tough matchup.
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by bone31crusher on Apr 24, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Right.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 24, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
R.A probably knows..
t-will.have it..thats why he refused to give him playing time because if twill succeeds then he will be scorned to death of why not play him earlier and help our playoff chances…pride issues i guess is at stake for him..
by jecrox11 on Apr 25, 2011 8:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
he has been after
the Rockets for some time now. He was even critical of the fans and Toyota Center staff in one of his articles when Yao was healthy and we were doing well.
by mjdinhouston on Apr 25, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Never been a big fan of Soloman, but his wrting makes the reader think
and I think he does a great job at that. The bottom line is and said this a long time ago is that Daryl has the city of Houston and it’s basketball fans brain-washed. For whatever reason this guy who thinks you can run a franchise like a fantasy team is never accountable for anything. I mean seriously, what has Daryl done in 4 years besides add pieces and assets. No matter how much Daryl tried to set up Rick for a shitty record this year, Rick one-upped him with yet again, the best team to not make the playoffs, or last in the welfare line. Daryl wasn’t exactly given a lot to work with, I will give him that. Way more than half the franchise’s payroll tied up in 2 guys who couldn’t stay on the floor. But there’s no denying that this GM has an inability to bring in a superstar either through FA or trade, and now must resort in bringing in a lame duck coach who’s sucess will be measured in how much he fails. I mean lete’s make no doubt about it, that’s the only we can hope to get a star, get a high draft pick and hope he becomes something. And to think that none of this is Daryl’s fault, don’t kid yourself. The front office has a policy of not being loyal with their extensions, our GM has a history of being a low-baller who definitely rubs every franchise in the league the wrong way, and our GM has a history of pubiically saying that our players aren’t people, but assets and pieces, and everyone is expendable. If this was the right way to go, don’t you think other franchises would go about things in this way? To everyone in this city, Daryl can do now wrong. But when a sportswriter calls him out and backs up what he says, he’s a POS? I think that’s backwards
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Other franchises DO go about things this way.
And do you really, really think that if Daryl did not use the word “assets” when he’s talking with Houston Sports radio, that Bosh or Melo would be wearing red?
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Please let me know
another franchise out there who waits until all contracts are expired before negotiating, notoriously known for low-balling, and comes out publically and claims anyone can be traded at anytime? I will save you the time, you’re not going to. I never though Melo or Bosh would come here, I’m more about the company men approach. With the exception of the 2007 Celtics and this last year’s Heat, most franchises committ to their players and don’t gut their roster every year to hope to find something. Is T-WIll a star, we don’t know but you can’t assume he is at this point. The front office is clue-less, and their verbiage isn’t consistant with their actions. Go to www.rockets.com and check out the transactions the last 3-4 years. Morey could start a snake handling church, and he would have followers.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
and how many
of those franchises have won NBA titles recently? If you keep the same people who can win you 40-45 games in the regular season and flop in the playoffs why keep them? The goal is to win a NBA championship not make friends. Ive said this MANY times who cares who is on the roster as long as the Houston Rockets win a NBA title. Please read my signature and it tells all.
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Apr 24, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Major transactions since Morey came here
1.) Acquired Luis Scola, turned him into a starter in the NBA, paid him over the summer.
2.) Drafted Aaron Brooks, eventually made him the starter and jettisoned a veteran point guard. Excelled and ultimately floundered due to a shitstorm of circumstances, traded.
3.) Drafted Chase Budinger, brought along as a new SF for the team, current starter.
4.) Kyle Lowry, acquired via trade, cast as one of the best backcourt tandems in the NBA, moved into the starting position due to injury, paid (Albeit only after Right of First Refusal).
5.) Jordan Hill, acquired via trade as a rookie for New York. Given limited minutes and brought along, role was to develop this season and go further. Arguable whether or not this problem was on Jordan or Adelman.
6.) Acquired Terrence Williams, exiled to the dog house arguably due to Adelman. Hard to build company loyalty when your manager won’t let someone develop it.
Those are just 6 brief stand outs of young guys on the Rockets that could be labelled company men if they’re given the opportunity as they have carved something out in Houston. I’m in agreement with you that we need to not call the players assets, and I’ve towed that line since the season started (to much criticism until it broke from Martin’s mouth that it WAS a problem). You have to stop just toting a grudge just to do it and step back and realize you build loyalty with young guys, Daryl has collected young guys, his coach didn’t play them all.
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by BD34 on Apr 24, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
On Players and trades/assets
I hear people talk around here regularly about things like the Rockets treatment of players and loyalty or lack there of.
It seems to me with the exception of Landry and even he got to go somewhere where he could start which he wanted to do), most of the traded players who deserved any organization loyalty have gotten it from the Rockets.
1. Trevor Ariza didn’t work out here, but got traded to play with possibly the best pg in the league and is in the playoffs.
2. Aaron Brooks wasn’t going to get his extension and was even somewhat disruptive but got sent to a team in the market for a starting point guard pretty soon and got a chance to prove himself. Also when the trade happened a team competing for playoff berth.
3. Shane Battier, this is the true loyalty litmus test here, got sent to a playoff team and a city and franchise that adored him. It would have been nice if he had gotten the news from the organization not the media, but still…..
Truthfully, there are probably only a couple dozen players who are not available at an NBA trade deadline. And they all play for consistent contenders. People can act as if they wouldn’t trade a guy (see Denver and Chauncey, Sacto and Martin, Boston and Perkins, etc.) but most guys are available depending on the offer and the circumstances.
If you aren’t a franchise player or perennial all star (and sometimes even if you are) you are a potential piece in the right trade.
But, the Rockets players who have gotten traded can’t really complain about the situations they were dealt into.
I already explained how your whining of Morey stating that players can be traded in interviews
Is completely worthless because it’s something which we would know ANYWAYS regardless because Houston actually is active in trades. Unless you want Morey to avoid the media completely ( which is sort of his job) or him to state that we won’t trade Martin in the discussions for Melo ( which is stupid), honesty is the best policy. And the honest approach is that anyone on this team is tradeable, which is something that anyone is going to view things.
And I still have no clue how people are claiming that this waiting until contract expires is BAD given what happened with Brooks. At the beginning of this season, people were talking about paying Brooks 7-8 million. Go on a Phoenix Suns forum today. They don’t even want to give him the MLE. And this was during his contract year.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I think basing your entire case on defending the "no extensions" policy on an intricate topic like Brooks is naive.
Players expect to be paid for their work and they’ll generally work better when paid. For every contract year burst and payment flop there’s several guys who earned their check and kept chugging along. You build loyalty by putting your faith in players, not by screwing with their wallets.
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I'd argue the opposite
For every Rondo, there’s a Larry Hughes. For every Aldridge, there’s Erick Dampier or Jerome James or Kwame Brown. Furthermore, those sorts of mistakes can harm a franchise far more than somewhat underpaying Rondo. Cleveland pretty much completely doomed itself with Lebron the minute they did that with Larry.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Because Larry Hughes is still a Cavalier and counting against their cap, right?
Some guys give up but you also have guys who get their payday and continue producing. We’re not talking just guys who couldn’t keep up a 20 and 10 year or something, we’re talking those middling guys who take the modest contract from the team that gave them their opportunity rather than bolt.
Cleveland didn’t screw themselves over with Larry Hughes, they boned themselves when they didn’t have enough firepower to bring a major name to pick up the slack when Lebron quit on his team.
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Profesional Sports Contacts
I have never understood why player sports contracts are looked at so differently They are still contracts. I am sure as a Law Student BD you know the definition of a contract, though some people may not. A contract takes an OFFER and an ACCEPTANCE. Both agreed, so why is it looked at as a slight to a player if you do not extend a contract before it expires. People would think you were crazy if a team wanted to shorten a contract.
I am a City Councilman and we have contracts all the time with companies that we are very happy with, but nobody expects us to redo or extend a contract because they are doing well. They do expect that we will give them a new contract once it expires based on past performance as well as current market price.
When it comes to contracts and extensions and the like, it's trade specific.
There is a common course of dealing in the NBA that extensions happen. It’s different from the contracts you’d see as a City Councilman because you deal, I assume, mostly in real estate and construction contracts. These are usually for term with definite parameters. Extensions take place in real estate contracts and if there’s a re-opener clause then contracts can potentially shorten. It all depends on the language of the document.
I’m heading into finals and can I just say I love that you brought up contracts. I take that test by week’s end.
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Good Luck on your test
I recently went back to school and Business Law was one of my favorite classes.
I understand that they are looked at differently, I just think it is wrong that we look at them as differently as we do. We seem to forget what a contract really is.
Contracts for sale and contracts for service have different implications though
Most people deal with sales contracts but service contracts, if performance is satisfactory, usually get extended in the real world.
I hope the test pans out, the teacher is a bit of a wench. She rips her tests straight from supplemental material.
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The no extentions policy was here way before Morey was
The Rockets even did that with the great Hakeem so that is just clear team policy that is obviously mandated from above. And I dont think that is a bad thing for the franchise truthfully, maybe for the players, but it keeps the Rockets safe and their options open.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 24, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
completely agree
If you know what the policy is going in…. how can you bitch about it?
This is why I was so confused that Aaron Brooks tried to make this an issue. Not even Hakeem got early extensions!
This is bullshit and I know there's others but just off hand
you’re saying that Yao Ming did not sign a 5 year 75 million dollar extension in September of 2005? Instead they waited until his rookie contract was up and then signed him once he hit free agency?
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
different situation
Rookie contracts were governed differently in 2005. We had a limited window to sign Yao then otherwise risk him being an RFA.
Either way you want to look at it, it's the GM's
decision to make player transactions… Either to trade, sign, not sign, draft, or cut, whatever… so the policy of not extending contracts lies with Daryl, the current GM. Last I checked Les isn’t trying to be Jerry Jones.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
My point was they were doing it from the days of Hakeem
So although you can argue that it is the GMs decision, but by looking at the team history under Alexander you can argue that the GM is just doing what the owner clearly mandated in the past, which is also his job, because at the end of the day, Alexander is the one who signs Morey’s paycheck.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 25, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yao and McGrady both got extensions
The policy is partly because of those extensions. Still, AB knew the policy so he shouldn’t have been whining. Given what we learned about AB’s maturity this year, it shouldn’t be shocking.
by Patrick Harrel on Apr 24, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
ya i know what u mean
He realy low balled scola when it was time to ink him to a new deal. I mean, just throwing 8mil at him before anyone could even offer anything for us to match, like we matched lowrys offer from clevland, ofcourse that was just morey scheming up new ways to get away with lowballing. I mean he can’t be blamed if it was just a matched offer right? So he contacted dan gilbert and they cahooted together on how to best get away with lowballing his back~up point guard to the tune of 7mil a year.
I will say that with the way lowry is playing now it certainly seems like a steal but at the time he came under a lot of fire for spening that much on a back-up. People lamented that with ab’s new contract we would be sinking about 16mil into that position.
I can understand the whole ‘everyones expendable’ approach but being so public about it doesn’t help. Not in the locker-room and not at the negotiating table. The fact remains however that when it came time to ante up for players we all love and had a clear future on this team, morey showed them a lot of love.
Lowballing is not a concern and superstars are not easily lured but if u look at the moves he made its easy to see the mn knows what he is doing.
Our pg tandem is far better now that we have two 2way players manning the helm. Lowry and dragic both are multidemensional. They can shoot, drive, pass, defend and rebound. Our sg tandem is set with martin and lee. At sf I stil think bud can develop into a solid starter if he continues to develop, he is a athletic wing who can penetrate and finish at the rim all the while having a good shooting touch from range and has shown a heightened commitment to defense as the season drew to a close. If twill can get some pt we will see if he can be a servicable backup or make bud fight for his spot.
Pf is stacked especially after morey drafted 2p.
Our one glaring hole is at center, which is not coincidentelly the hardest position to fill.
All these players were acquired by morey for late picks or next to nothing trades (expect for lee who came after dealing ariza)
The fact is that the man built a solid young, talented core with next to nothing to work with. I don’t think rocket fans are delusional, just appreciative
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 25, 2011 6:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Portland's injuries
have been at least as devastating as Houston’s over the last few years.Go over to Blazer’s Edge and talk with those guys about it.
Brandon Roy is a shell of the player he used to be and his maximum contract is a huge weight on their salary cap for years to come. They lost two seven-foot centers to crippling injuries. That matches up well with the Rockets on the misery scale and yet they are in the playoffs and the Rockets are not.
Isn’t it clear that the Blazers’ organization has done a better job than the Rockets over the last few years? They’ve brought in Marcus Camby and Gerald Wallace to replace injured players. Both of those are guys that would have fit in well with the Rockets but Morey couldn’t (or wouldn’t) trade for them. You don’t think Marcus Camby would’ve help the Rockets win a few more games and make it into the playoffs this year?
Solomon’s right to put some heat on Morey.
Heat is one thing but Solomon carries a grudge.
I agree with everything you said but we have to admit, Solomon does a great job of ignoring the external factors that inhibit Daryl. I always say when it comes to the Rockets you have to view things in a vacuum because not everything will go our way and not every deal we put together will be as tantalizing as a deal someone else put together to get a player.
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Solomon does have his grudges
You’re right about that and that not every deal we put together will be as tantalizing as another team’s deal.
I think a problem in Houston is that fans here over-rate players on the Rockets. I read in a post here the other day that Houston has ‘the best young talent in the league’. That’s one of the more ridiculous statements I’ve seen in a long time.
Orange I think you are exactly right
Portland actually has made acquisitions to fit in with their current roster. Daryl did the exact opposite with Hasheem. Portland gave their over-achieving coach an extension we showed ours the door for over-achieving. Portland is in the playoffs and tied 2-2 with Dallas, Houston is sitting on their ass and every player is having to tell their family they could be traded as soon as there’s a new agreement. Here’s to you Daryl Morey… Not because you’ve done shitty, but because you have convinced everyone else otherwise.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
For the love of God get off the Hasheem Thabeet thing.
You sound like a whiny broken record bringing it up in damn near every post you make. Portland made acquisitions because they are going with the contender option to win now. Where is Houston’s LaMarcus Aldridge? Where is Houston’s Nicolas Batum? These guys were there already and a damn good option to be able to compliment and play with still.
If you ignore every single difference between Houston and Portland initial roster-wise then you’re right. When you actually consider the situation you’re a bitter pain in the testicles.
We are REBUILDING, he showed that “over-achieving” coach the door because if the playoffs aren’t a viable option and you need to develop talent and see what you have but the coach won’t do that, then you fundamentally have a disconnect that needs to be addressed.
Drop the grudge.
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by BD34 on Apr 24, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well apparently BD me and you don't agree with what Houston should
do from here. That’s fine. No, we don’t have Aldridge, and Batum is a nice player but not someone you’re going to build around. We have nice young players so I don’t see what your point is with Batum. Yes we are rebuilding, it’s evident and obvious. But from an outsider, compare Portland to Houston. One is loyal to players and coaches, one acquires players to fit their current roster, and one doesn’t doesn’t have to regress to hope to get a high draft pick and hope he pans out. Seriously, Houston looks like shit compared to Portland when it comes to running a franchise, and Portland isn’t even the best model. No player would want to come to Houston right now. Yes, Houston made the we’re not in contention decision, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Don’t come out and say the goal is to acquire players to make the team better, and then bring in a coach to develop young players and have a shitty record. He’s trying to sell and old shitty car at a new care price. That’s the point I’m getting at, the horse is dead I agree, but a clueless GM would be better for us right than an inexperienced one who thinks he knows what he’s doing.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Your point is blown out of the water when you bring in the outsider.
Because LaMarcus Aldridge is a common NBA name. An outsider would be hard pressed to name one person on Houston’s starting lineup. Even Kevin Martin doesn’t have remotely near the impact that Aldridge does.
There is no contradiction in saying “we will acquire players to make the team better and bring in a young coach to develop talent.” These aren’t juxtaposed statements. They work in concert. You need to acquire talent at any stage, that can be done via draft, trade, or free agent signing. We could have the next Michael Jordan sitting on the roster and he would need to be developed to bring that out, or do you just want prime star players handed over?
TDS's resident dickhead.
C'mon you're not that naive are you???
In the last week any verbiage that has come out of our GM’s mouth has been nothing more than reassurance to the fans or a big smoke screen. All signs lead towards losing to win, but as long as the fans don’t think that right. So, let’s just keep saying that we’re trying to bring in better players to keep fans interested. So yeah, great players aren’t just handed over, but why would you want to acquire a superstar if the goal is to develop young talent. The only thing consistant with Morey is inconsistancies. I mean one day he wants to trade for 50 yr old Camby who’s guarenteed 12 million next season, and then the next he trades for Hasheem. Those are about as different as you can get. Either Daryl is either an absolute genius and has some kind of innovative way of transforming a franchise, or he simply has no idea as to what he’s doing. That’s pretty clear. Either way, Les gave all his chips to Daryl, and I would prefer it be a proven GM who’s proven in making these decisions which could bring a championship or set a franchise back several years.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
do you think
that trading away a couple months of Shane Battier for a first round pick and a project player like Thabeet was a bad deal?
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 24, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
No, not at all... Trading Shane
was the right idea and if you had no desire to re-sign AB then that was right to part ways with him too. I totally get why those deals were done. To cut right to it, and I apologize for long not getting right to the point, it appears as the fate and future of the franchise was decided within hours of each other. I mean one day they want old man Camby and all the money he’s guarenteed in 11-12, and then you trade for Thabeet? I mean that’s an old veteran starting center vs. a young guy with potential project player. Those are about as polar opposites as you can get. This sounds like an incompetent, inept person who doesn’t know what he wants. If the Camby write-up is true and I guess there’s a slight chance it could be bogus, there is absolutely positively no way you can back Daryl on this. The only thing consistant are inconsistancies.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
The trade deadline for us is insane
Lots of smokescreens, and if its leaked it rarely comes to fruition.
It's not that I'm naive, it's that you're digging for a reason to complain.
Where is the proof that Morey was after Camby? Are you basing everything you’re saying on pure spite and speculation or are you legitimately saying that a GM that has to choose between rebuilding and trying to go all in can’t decide that rebuilding is smarter because his franchise is further from greatness than it is rebuilding?
There is no conflict here, you’re just incapable, apparently, of thought. We need to acquire players to improve and we need to develop talent. You don’t get players as all they will ever be in this league, player development is necessary. Thabeet, Hill, Williams, Lee, Dragic, all of them have ridiculous upside. If they’re tethered to the bench they’ll never improve. If we could land a few good young players to improve the team as well, they’ll pursue it. That’s not contradicting anything and Morey has come out and said “We need to rebuild” basically, and there’s nothing wrong with that, you just WANT there to be something wrong with it.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211408/Rockets_Increasing_Efforts_To_Acquire_Camby
It’s simple dude… I’m not against rebuilding, going in another direction. If they want to hire Mario Elie, re-sign Yao, give T-Will a green light to do what he does, and implement a half-court game… I’m on board with that, let’s do it. Our current roster isn’t necessarily built for that, but whatever. All I’m saying is that what come out of Daryl’s mouth and what actually has happened or is going to happen is very inconsistant. One day he loves the players we have the next everyone’s on the trading block and no one’s job is safe. I am all for making a committment towards something. Whoever we hire and whatever players we acquire, let’s committ to it. After 4 years it’s time to put up or shut up.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
You can love all your players and still realize that you need to trade them.
It’s a business. He understands that while he loves his guys they have value and they’re not cutting the mustard as assembled now. If I wind up on financial hard times I’m willing to sell one of my basses. Does that mean I don’t love it? No, it means I’m smart enough to step back and realize if I’m in a situation that’s not working I might have to part with something I love because it’s valuable.
You’re creating a disconnect where there isn’t one.
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Here it goes to you and Barragan
Daryl -Make a fucking decision. Committ to it.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Here's to you from Daryl:
I made a decision, now shut the fuck up while I pursue it.
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Happy Easter everyone..
unfortunately I won’t be around to argue about this… Hope you guys have a good one.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
you know who else treats his players as 'assets' and cares not for loyalty?
Bill Belichick. And he’s really good at what he does.
Morey is taking a similar approach – the players should do what they are paid to do: play. Leave the coaching and management to others. Unless you are a mega-superstar, you have no right to expect your employer to treat you differently from the other assets – which is what you are at all times.
by grungedave on Apr 24, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ecxept that.....
they trade their veterans who are on the decline, there’s arguably only one of those on the Rockets – Scola
There’s over 50 roster spots on a football team, and several rounds in their draft, so acculating several picks is more impactful. (out of 4 late round picks if 1 pans out it’s a good thing)
Oh, and they have this guy named Tom Brady
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
and watch
……. Scola is probably going to be moved for youthful pieces (unless a lockout gets in the way)
Morey will move anyone at any time if it will improve the club – this should be applauded as fans, though I can see why it would be difficult as a player. But that’s just part of the business.
and yeah, without Tom Brady, Belichick got himself fired in Cleveland. Though this is now widely considered to be a mistake by Art Modell. Let’s not take the same short-sighted point of view with Daryl Morey.
I think Scola's going to be moved on draft day, or sometime before it.
We are in rebuilding mode now, and Scola is 32.
I can see Morey trading both of our first rounders and Scola for a top 3 pick.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 24, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that's gonna get us a top 3 pick
Teams drafting in the top 3 typically look for young players to build around, just like us. The only way we could parlay Scola (with the other picks) into a top 3 pick would be a 3 team deal. Anyway, Scola doesn’t have much value around the league for reasons you just mentioned (the age issue and the knee thing hurt him). I think the only way we get a top 3 pick would be both first rounders, Courtney Lee, and a guy like Jordan Hill who some teams might still believe in. In a draft that drops off quickly, I still don’t know if that would be enough.
by Patrick Harrel on Apr 24, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I assume it's a lot like the current NFL situation
You can draft but you can’t trade current players.
TDS's resident dickhead.
They have Tom Brady,
however, Bill is still the best coach in the NFL.
I hate him for being a cheater, but he is very, very good.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 24, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
well
If you aren’t cheating, you aren’t trying.
It’s only cheating if you get caught.
Rules are just there to be broken.
…….. yes, I went to SMU, why do you ask?
Were you there during the Dickerson days?
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 24, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yikes.
They sucked massively in those days.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 24, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
For once,
I agree with this post, for the most part.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 24, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This entire post was nothing but ignorant.
Way to ignore all of the facts.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 24, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
About Portland
I think we just got to rebuilding mode before they did plain and simple. They atleast have a young player (LA) that they can still build around, we dont. They kept going for the playoffs, which they havent won a round yet, and possibly still wont. We probably could have gotten Wallace based on the trade that Portland made. I just think we chose to rebuild for our future now rather than keep trying to be a first or second round team now so that we could possibly be a much better team in the future, sooner rather than later by delaying the inevitable process of rebuilding.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 24, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Solomon is a tool
it infuriates me that he doesn’t have to pay to write…..
This really made me
miss FireJoeMorgan….Had it been a FJM piece it would have certainly had the “food metaphors” and “liberal use of food metaphors” tags.
Does anyone else notice
that 5 teams that were in the Lottery last year are now in the Playoffs? Also the 76ers, Bulls, Hornets and Pacers have 1st year head coaches and the Grizzlies have thiers in his 2nd year. So its not impossible for the Rockets to be on a list like this next year.
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Apr 24, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
I've emphasized that the Rockets rebuilding isn't damning them to the lottery forever
but you also have to acknowledge that the Hornets had a healthy Chris Paul and the Bulls had a major overhaul via free agency.
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oh I know
I wasnt sayin that we’re gonna be stuck in the Lottery. Im saying actually saying that changing up WONT necessarily mean we’re doomed for the dumps. Even if we do fall off a little next season its not the end of the world because this shows what change can do. But, like you pointed out, we dont have a Chirs Paul or a Rose, Boozer, Noah combo.
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Apr 24, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I do agree that overall moreys moves make sense
And he has had direction. Initially we were building for a contender and then that fell apart so now its rebuilding.
Each of his moves has made sense in a vacuum.
I think morey has remained committed to his players.
But he has made his mistakes as well.
Signing Ariza
Battier for thabeet? Not the greatest move in the world. That extra salary could have been used somewhere else. The pick? Eh it likely wont be in the lotto and if it is itl be late lotto. Chances of finding a true stud are much lower.
Tmac for picks and JHill. Jeffries ended up going back to the knicks anyway. So we got some salary blocked for no reason. I honestly do feel this trade could have been better spent. It still has potential to be a good move, but I honestly do feel we could have gotten more value somewhere else. We probably could have gotten Gerald Wallace or something.
Inability to trade yao. I agree its a hard decision to make. But he really isnt doing anything for the team,.
Morey has done a good job and I like the vast majority of his trades, but I do think we end up giving him a little more credit than is due.
So we're assigning fault to Morey for the following:
Signing Ariza: Flipped that to Lee and a TPE.
Battier for Thabeet: The money off of Shane’s contract would not have given us enough cap room to sign anyone, we’d still be over the cap. We got a guy who could be our defensive center for a guy we weren’t returning.
TMac’s corpse for (Keep in mind this was a THREE TEAM deal, not two separate deals):
Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, picks, Jeffries (Who could have been used well at the Center), and that “salary block” again made no difference because we’ve been well over the salary cap for quite some time, I don’t know where this mystical and magical money you’re citing we could have used could have come from.
Inability to trade Yao: Really? You’re blaming Morey for that?
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I am with you on this BD
Every deal Morey has made has been solid. Turning T-Mac and Landry ( though I really loved him ) into Martin and Hill was a good trade. Hill still has promise. Shane who we most likely was not going to resign fot Thabeet who I think was a good risk to see what he can do was a good trade. Getting T-Will for what we gave up was a good deal. I have not been on the T-Will band wagon as some of you but just like the Thabeet it was a good risk for the price to get a chance to see how they can develop. The Ariza deal while looking good at the time did not cost any players and was turned into a great deal by trading him for Lee.
And just to add. Trading AB for Dragic looks like a great deal and we should never forget trading almost nothing for Scola. Trading Rafer for Lowry. Getting Bud by buying a 2nd round pick.
So forgive me than even if I do not agree with every deal Morey has made at the moment, he has had a good record for his short time as a GM. In Morey I trust
what?
If you want to pick on Morey, just say “He signed Brent Barry”.
Going after the Ariza signing, or the Thabeet trade or the T-Mac trade……. we won those transactions, and it’s rather clear.
And for the last time, Battier and Brooks were NOT COMING BACK no matter what, so if we traded them both for a bag of potato chips in return – that would have been a win because we would have gotten value for immediately depreciating assets.
And yes, I used the word “assets”, Solomon!
Isn't Brent the one with the super hot wife that Tony Parker nailed?
That warrants a signing on that ground alone.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I wonder how he feels
When he does a Spurs highlight at NBA TV.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
My understanding of the Brent Barry signing
Is that we wanted a backup wing to help McGrady-Artest, but he got displaced because Wafer stunned everyone that year.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
has everyone forgotten
That we also go martin in that deal?
It was a 3 team trade, we lost mcgrady and landry, we got hill, jefferies and martin with the right to swap two first rounders
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 25, 2011 7:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Signing Ariza definently was not a mistake ....
It got us Lee.
Jerome Solomon is pissing me off now.
The majority of these quotes are just ignorant and biased.
He does, however, properly represent the Houston Comical with his piss poor writing skills and homerism.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Solomon sucks and clearly has a vendetta
I cant stand to read his articles, and he is more annoying when being interviewed on the radio. It is really clear he has a vendetta against Morey which escalated after Morey called him out last year on twitter. Morey just embarrassed him publicly and I dont think Solomon ever forgot it.
He acts as if he is smarter than everyone else and his opinions are the right ones when in reality he just comes off as someone who is pompous and bitter. He is like that guy that always thinks he is right just because he has an attitude about him. Here is a link to a recent radio interview of his.
http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dX/dE/dX/dL/XEXL_3.MP3?dl=1
Listen at your own risk of ripping your hair out.
He mentions Twitter when he calls Morey a "modern guy" and it's said so vindictively.
Solomon has oodles of butthurt.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Morey is also hated
by sports writers for the same reason that sportswriters hate Bill James and anyone who uses advanced sports metrics. Essentially they are not smart enough to understand them so they lash out against them, giving almost any sportwriter an advanced stat sheet is like giving a baboon an iphone.
by Bobbythegreat on Apr 24, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the ironic thing is that Solomon is on twitter as well
Its almost like thats a bad thing. I am so much more comfortable with having a GM that talks to the fans as opposed to one that doesnt. I enjoy hearing podcasts of him most weeks and it helps me gain an insight into the thinking of the team and sometimes gives me new stuff to think about. It clears up a lot which is a good thing in my book.
And if you look at how his trades have turned out, I think he was pretty spot on on the vast majority of his decisions. I am a Raiders fan and can tell you it is beyond frustrating having illogical ownership and no real insight into how decisions are made or why.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 24, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you know what's the worst thing about this?
I looked at the comments, and I almost threw up. The ignorance is astounding
Someone needs to write a comment or something…it’s ridiculous.
Haha
Well Solomon should be put in his place and I think out of everyone here, you could make him look silly because like me, you cant stand stupid or illogical arguments and stupid people. The only thing is you are able to put that in words better than me haha Based on our many conversations I think you are logical. Based on other converstations ive seen you can show someone that is acting stupid with the best of them. Come on, I would pay to see a back and forth between you too, post a response and see what happens lol
Boma Ye BD! Boma Ye BD! Boma Ye BD! Boma Ye BD!
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 24, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
*sigh*
The Dream Shake ...on Twitter.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Oh let it play, it brought a smile to my face and a hearty laugh.
One of the reasons I love TDS.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Haha I was not advocating for that to happen on this site at least
come on Tom you gotta admit Solmon kind of has it coming haha Boma Ye BD
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 24, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Unleash the BD on Solomon
It would be just awesome
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 24, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a criminal procedure final tomorrow and have a major torts paper to knock out
but I’ll try to sign up and lean into him within the next couple of days.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Boma Ye Brother
I will refresh that article like it is nobody’s business until I see a response from him. Good luck on the final!
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 24, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck the Comical.
Pancakes McClain and Jerome Solomon have runied it, not that it was great to begin with.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 24, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
That is an accomplishment right there
You could still post with a different email though if you like
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 24, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
How is that possible?
I looked through the Chron comments one time and there was load of birther and troofer junk. I didn’t you could get banned from there as long as it was legal………….wait.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
try commenting on Dickie Justice's blog
If he disagrees with what you say… or if you make him look foolish, he will delete your shit and ban you. He’s a wee bit sensitive.
Wow.
Sounds like Justice alright.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 25, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I tried posting a comment
with a link to this article under the name JS is a tool.
Because as we all know that is the right way to go about bringing attention to something.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Solomon is an idiot
Nuff said.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
by ak2themax on Apr 24, 2011 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for summarizing the last 100ish comments in one comment
Well done :)
by Patrick Harrel on Apr 24, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I do what I can
It’s that kind of hard-hitting “journalism” you’ve come to expect from me around here. :)
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
so what?
journalists and coach’s/gm’s/owner’s/players beef with one another ALL THE TIME.. richard Injustice takes a shot at former texans offensive line coach alex gibbs in his ’’articles’’ every chance he gets… its really not that big a deal to analyze every single line man
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. the Astros have gotten back into my good graces so theyre allowed back into the elite club... GO 'STROS, 2011 NL Central Division Champs!! you heard it hear first!
by HB23 on Apr 25, 2011 4:24 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So, as per the request, here was my response to Solomon's most recent article and it was off the cuff, not sure if it works as well as it should.
These write ups are always tough for me to swallow. I mean, on one hand, I’m a self assured guy who loves to shoot his mouth off too, but on the other hand, I don’t intentionally mislead people or play something off as so heavy handed to hide my insecurity while I carry a grudge. Let’s face facts Mr. Solomon.
You demand results from the Rockets but you make the same inept evaluations most of your casual fans will. I want results as well but I’m not so naive as to lie to myself and assume that the Rockets could have matched offers put out there by New Jersey for Deron Williams or New York’s offer for Carmelo Anthony. Fans and observers tend to have a bias and a knack for overrating their players but ignorance of the fact that eventually looking outside for help might not be a reliable method of improvement is just laughable. For a guy who pats his back so hard I’m pretty sure he’s going to become a quadriplegic you need to admit some of these basic things for your readers, your personality, and your spine.
You intentionally mislead an article when you say last place. Last place where? Last place in the NBA? Last place in the West? Last place in the East? Last place in their division? If we make enough ambiguous statements and then run with them then we can reach any conclusion and do whatever we want linguistically. The fact that you’re sticking to such a loose construction of writing makes me question why the Chronicle hosts any of your material but I guess when you’re circulated in the only major city newspaper to never win a Pulitzer or have an acclaimed writer on staff standards are a theoretical discussion. The Rockets were last in their division, true. Your comments in this article about “strengthening the division importing other teams” is a weak one because we could strengthen the division by putting any first place finisher in any other division. You bringing it up is just a desperation move to gain some credibility from your readers that, frankly, is non-existent. Per team the record of the Southwest Division consistently proves it’s the toughest division in the NBA and it wouldn’t be a shock to see the entirety of the division in the playoffs.
No one is celebrating mediocrity of a 43 win season after following a 42 win season. You carry your grudge against Morey because he called you out in public forum for your misleading writing and your arrogant hand waving as to any reasonable person who bothers to call you out on this. The fact is, he’s reloading a team to rebuild because the give away trades weren’t there and those “assets” he collected were overrated by Houston fans. They’re fine to rebuild with, not to compete with. You take issue parting ways with Rick Adelman for lack of a willingness to develop young players but what do you expect? Management sees something isn’t working and rather than spin the tires they call a tow truck service and realize it’ll set them back a bit but you’ll be out of the hole. Where’s the dilemma?
You mention a guff in your articles with jettisoning “the winningest coach in Rockets history and 8th all time wins coach” from the team but I ask again, who cares? Adelman came here with more talent on the roster than any previous Rockets coach came in with and if he did less than have the best winning percentage he’d look horrible. Tack on to it that he’s a win now coach on a team that has to scrap it and what do you expect? Not offering him an extension might just as well be an indicator that Leslie Alexander wants a defensive style of ball and a brand of ball that has longevity. You cite Alexander is always in a win now mode, but for the life of me I can’t see where Alexander has any history of being a tunnel visioned idiot either. The fact of the matter is, the Rockets aren’t that great and Morey and the front office is heading to rebuild.
Drop the vendetta, be a man, write with some integrity, provide the insight without the heaping helping of bull feces, and you never know, people who read this may not laugh at you so hard.
TDS's resident dickhead.
And his reply to you
Let’s start with your first off-base comment, Brandon. Not many care how fans or media rate players. GM’s are paid to do so. You’re not so naïve that you don’t think the Rockets could match what Denver got from New York for Carmelo? Well, the Rockets think they put a better offer on the table. Their biggest problem was Denver didn’t quite agree and Carmelo didn’t want to play here. … I don’t think I hid the fact that the Rockets were last place in their division. Do you read every other word or something? … Yes, it would be somewhat of a shock to see the entire division make the playoffs, since that has never happened. So, finishing last in a division is somewhat detrimental to a team’s playoff hopes. … And you should laugh at yourself for thinking Alexander and Morey don’t want to win right now. Obviously, you don’t know them. Perhaps you’re not bothered by the last-place finish in the division, but they are.
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Apr 25, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, he's got another response now out there, but it's glaringly obvious he has nothing of substance to respond with.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I couldn't resist responding to his response
Hope he puts it up
I sent a response to his response to BD
His fact about no full division ever making the playoffs was incorrect. In 05-06 the entire Central Division did qualify.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
I am throughly impressed by not only the piece, but the fact you were able to do it when still taking finals
I like the arguments you made, especially about him being misleading, because that is what he has been. He makes it sound as if it was so easy to get the star players when in fact as we are seeing today, the star players are the ones who are dictating what teams they go to. You can argue the the Williams and Perkins (isnt a star but could be a valuable piece especially for the Rockets) trades were determined by the teams. The only thing though, we would not have been able to match what NJ was giving (great picks and a top 3 player from last years draft), and the Perkins trade was hush hush and was pretty much a shock to everyone because Presti is one of those GMs that will never do a trade with a team that doesnt keep it quite. The grudge part is really true and maybe some of the people that have idiotic comments that were not aware of the twitter incident can put things into perspective.
There are just so many things wrong with what he is saying, I could go on but I think we all know what his faults are. It is also great that you wrote your comment in a way that is not immature so I would not see any reason why the comment would be rejected. I am expecting a typical smug response from him, but if I think if people could rec a comment on the chron, yours would be right up there.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 25, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
and the end of the day, I don’t know what’s worse. Richard Justice, who thinks the Rockets can do no wrong, or Solomon, who is an idiot and may be trying to pull a Marty Hurney.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
There's obviously some bad blood/vendetta between the two
but so far all everyone has done is praise his moves. No one has ever really held him accountable whether it’s right to or not. Jerome did say Daryl is on the hot seat, as he should be, and I couldn’t agree with that more.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Wow that sucks I responded
and he didn’t post it, and I forgot to copy it. Dammnit
I didn't copy my response to the response, I'm waiting until tomorrow until I pass judgment.
I seem to have put a bee in his bonnet though.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Your comment got posted, he responded to neither of us, but at least now he's been exposed for being a hack.
In public forum with open challenge he won’t rebut.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I just saw his responces to you
After the second comment you made, I felt like he said a whole bunch of nothing. Way to give it to him.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 25, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I can be mature about my outbursts every now and then.
Just not usually on TDS ;).
TDS's resident dickhead.
The best part is
I really think he sat there when he saw the comments and was just annoyed trying to figure out how to respond to everything (which he didnt). He must have been on the computer for a while. Over/Under 10 minutes?
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 25, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I just added to the fun
I wrote a nice rant basically about how he’s completely full of shit. I’m interested in his response…
by Patrick Harrel on Apr 25, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It's really cute his response to my second reply.
It’s all diplomatic and nice, not refuting much of anything I raised as a point, and all vague conjecture based apologetics.
Brandon 1
Solomon 0
TDS's resident dickhead.
His response to me:
Perhaps you should get someone to read my articles and blogs to you. Clearly, your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Show me anywhere that I said Morey is garbage or anything even in that ballpark and I’ll buy hooked on phonics for you.
So basically he nitpicked my entire comment and found one thing that could possibly be construed as overstatement, and responded to that… Classic Solomon.
by Patrick Harrel on Apr 25, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
This guy is really pissing me off
His apparent inability to write or respond to our arguments substantively yet humbly just makes me mad that people like him are making money working for the newspaper.
btw nice rant
He had to resort to nitpicking,
how pathetic.
He basically gave up on the argument without even noticing.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 25, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Some random guy actually responded to you as well lol
Moreyon I think
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 27, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I submitted a response. He didn't so much as reply to me as create my argument
and then attack it. It’s a usual tactic of someone who has no clue what the hell they’re doing. It’s called building a strawman. Build an artificially weak structure, attack it, claim victory.
TDS's resident dickhead.
If I ever need a lawyer
I will call u for sure lol I hope I don’t need one though no offence
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 27, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Lawyers are a lot like doctors.
No one wants to see them until they need them.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Link to the conversation?
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 25, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Here ya go.
http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2011/04/the_rockets_could_have_won_the_1.html
See Solomon relatively neutered by this board’s resident asshole.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Hmmm
I can’t tell of who won the argument.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 26, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
As in his responses were good?
Or he just sidestepped the arguments?
Or my responses weren’t that good (IMO they were all right)?
Great responce ppatsaboss
How long do you think he was sitting in front of that computer trying to think of a response he could actually post? And the thing is his responses to you guys as you mentioned at the chron were just a bunch of words to fill up the page and deflect the issues rather than to answer your criticisms.
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 25, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
What was rather unnerving was the fact that he and Morey “joked” about Solomon’s “attacks”, and that those attacks weren’t attacks at all.
Where are these responses?
I want to see this.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 25, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Not only is this a hatchet job, it is a stupid one.
Would Jerome have written this same piece if the Rockets had MADE the playoffs from “last place”? It almost happened. What about the Rockets record being good enough for a 6th seed in the East in “last place”. This “last place” gimmick would be like making your primary criticism of Ronald Regan that he was a thespian, and repeating “thespian” over and over and over – cheap, tawdry and demeaning to everyone who reads it.
I wonder if Jerome thinks that the an owner hires a GM to do what the coach wants? Does he have any understanding of the distinction between strategy and tactics? Morey never interfered with Adelman’s tactics, but the GM is clearly the one in charge of strategy.
What a poor poor piece of writing. Lives down to every bad thing anyone might think about the Houston Chronicle – the dumbest, laziest major city newspaper in the US.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
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The Dreamshake
The Houston Comical's editing is pathetic too.
I always, always find a typo in an article written by Pancakes(don’t ask why I still read them).
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 25, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
He was just being inflammatory
Last place in the division? Who cares. While I wouldn’t say that a division championship is irrelevant as it guarantees you a playoff spot, as long you can still make the playoffs then all is well in the world. I don’t give a shit about the banner.
The thing I hate about Solomon is that his amateur gm skills are on par with the average fan. He states the obvious, but then can’t give specifics to back it up. Things like, “We should have gotten a center”, or “We should have gotten a superstar.” Well no shit, but how? What trade would you make. or what offer would you make to make those things happen? He can’t answer that because he has NO FUCKING CLUE. None at all. I used to ask all the time because I wanted him to give a dumb ass non-realistic trade. He never answers so I stopped asking. He just tap dances around it to hide the fact that he’s just idiot without a clue. Easy to criticize, but very hard to offer better solutions.
He reminds me of guys at the barbershop that I argue with weekly
Way too simple minded and ignorant to specifics. When challenged with a difficult question they will just find a cop out or a reason why they don’t have to answer. It’s frustrating to see especially when it is from guys who don’t even like the Rockets. Just ignore them and move on with your life because fighting ignorance is a lost cause.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
who is Jerome Solomon?
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Solomon just changed his whole article based on theI responses from people on this board
That is just crazy, and his attitude needs to be changed because he comes off as a jerk now big time. Very condescending and the sad part still incorrect.
http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2011/04/the_rockets_could_have_won_the_1.html
When he writes
I must say I am having fun reading and answering e-mail from sad-sack Rockets fans who have taken umbrage with my characterization of this season as a last-place season.I dont remember that. Am I mistaken?
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 27, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Woooops
I was actually impressed there for a second lol never mind
by Rockets4LIFE on Apr 27, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions

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