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The Dream Shake Awards: Most Promising Future

It wasn't the regular season that many of us expected, but given the circumstances, an impressive late-season run and another near-playoff miss could serve to provide a sturdy foundation for the future. But now that it's over, it's time to hand out awards. In this case, you get to vote on who wins. We'll have a different award to hand out each day, so keep checking in. Feel free to discuss your reasoning for making a particular vote in the comments.

Previous Awards: Most Improved Player - Most Impressive Victory - Defensive Player of the Year

Here lies an award that has quickly become my favorite. I've always been interested in developing prospects, sure, but this is the type of award that you can look back on a year later and see exactly how wrong you were about your initial projections. Last season's voting serves as a perfect example. Take a look at the results:

59% - Jordan Hill

28% - Chase Budinger

5% - Trevor Ariza

4% - Kyle Lowry

3% Jermaine Taylor

Of course, the question specifies that improvement is to be gauged from the end of one season to the end of the next. So, in other words, we were guessing who, by this point, would be the most improved player among the above options. Clearly, Hill's game hasn't grown and matured as we'd hoped, whereas Kyle Lowry's has exploded.

With this collective gaffe in judgment in mind, try your luck at this year's crop. Has Lowry peaked? Will Hill regain relevancy? Will Patrick Patterson turn into a legitimate starter? Have at it.

Poll
Which young Rocket do you think has the potential to improve the most between now and the end of next season?
Patrick Patterson
508 votes
Jordan Hill
9 votes
Kyle Lowry
49 votes
Courtney Lee
58 votes
Terrence Williams
100 votes
Goran Dragic
54 votes
Hasheem Thabeet
82 votes

860 votes | Poll has closed

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Has to be T-Will.

Would be Hasheem, but he’s still a work in progress.

T-Will is ready to play, he just needs minutes to prove himself.

He better get the green light next year.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Apr 29, 2011 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I sense you're ready to do something that might go down on your permanent record for Mr. Williams.

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by Xiane on Apr 29, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am on this train for T-Will

based on the question asking end of this season to end of next. T-Will’ stock was trading on pink sheets when the season ended. Thabeet at least was getting some attention. I could be wrong but I think T-Will comes back next season determined to prove he can play this game. I would not be surprised to see the same change in HT, but I think that T-Will is in a deeper hole at the moment.

by makinmajik on Apr 29, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

this guy is a loser (based on really no evidence whatsoever except a bad attitude on Twitter)

This guy is going nowhere…sorry to bust your bubble. Improvement takes actual commitment and efford. That is all Patterson…no way its TWill

by John P on Apr 29, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is a gimme

With his athletic ability, hustle and attitude its gotta be 2p. He showed flashes of brilliance in his rookie campaign and given his work ethic and having chuck around to learn from.
I look for substantial growth going forward. Turnd out he was an absolute steal at 14 and should continue to prove that our talent evaluation as a club has gotta be 2nd or 3rd best in the league.

"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz

by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 29, 2011 3:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I say Thabeet.

Why? Because of the simply gigantic gap between what he is, and what he might be. Patrick Patterson is already a good basketball player – he might make the leap to great.

Williams played 60 games, I think his perceived improvement might be huge, but mostly in his case it’ll be decision making and a reliable 3pt shot. (And apparently the Rockets can teach that, look at Lowry.)

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by Xiane on Apr 29, 2011 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I cast my vote for Hasheem on a similar line of thought.

If Thabeet shows up and knows his defensive rotations and sees floor time, that will be a tremendous leap from what he was. So long as he has a clue on the floor he will be MIP. I think the coaching attention he’s getting here will legitimately pay off and he’ll improve by leaps and bounds.

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by BD34 on Apr 29, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

but really any one of us can get some good coaching and improve over whre this guy is now...the basement

I have seen no indication that this guy is not anything more than tall. Tall. Thats it. Granted you can’t train that….but you also can’t have a player be good only cause he is tall.

Sorry, being tall alone does not get you anywhere in the league. You can be short and kick ass though….let the Chuckwagon roll!

by John P on Apr 29, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You fundamentally proved my point. He only has up to go.

Therefore, he has the most room for improvement and ground to cover that any progress will be more than the other guys except for maybe Williams, and he still saw SOME floor time.

As far as just being tall not getting you anywhere, Center is the only position you can be “eh” at and command over 10 mil a year. Sorry to piss on your parade but there’s no Hakeem knocking around the NBA anymore, average centers command a lot of money. Look at how stiff this board was for Nene Hilario. By all basketball player means he’s so-so, yet everyone here treated him like he was franchise caliber.

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by BD34 on Apr 29, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just think for any player to get any sort of award for anything other than greatest disappointment or greatest dick, they have to have some talent...

and Thabeet has none…so he doesn’t even the pass the basic hurdle of being able to be talked about.

Sorry dude…he and Williams are just bad luck garbage that every team has to warm seats or play D league for.

Thanks for playing.

by John P on Apr 29, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for playing what? The John P is blowing smoke out his ass game?

I trust through your extensive career as an NBA scout that you’ve noticed some players changed locales and succeeded. I mean, Jermaine O’Neal was never good, Chauncey Billups is a steaming pile of shit (career wise) and Rasheed Wallace was never an important player in his career, right?

You’re extraordinarily annoying in just saying “Soandso sucks, that’s all they’ll ever be.” after less than two seasons and literally NO help whatsoever you just knock someone and never bother to explain why or respond to adequate criticism of your opinion. It’s really sad.

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by BD34 on Apr 29, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

soandso

Does suck and he always will

"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz

by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 30, 2011 2:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Valid Point BD

So do you think size and strength is more important that actual skill when it comes to centers these days? This is something I did not think about last year but has become apparent to me and I agree with.

So in essence we should develop whatever guys we have or we draft, go with them and not put focus on bringing in a FA center and shelling out millions? Perhaps try getting a hold of some ‘talents’ at other positions? (No sarcasm in this post, I am just trying to understand your POV)

by WorrellforThree on Apr 30, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

My take on it is that we need to give our in house talent a try to see what we have.

If we keep looking outside and forsake development of what we have in house, we could be wasting a great player for no purpose other than our own pride. We’re not an attractive destination so we need to supplement that with building up players.

When it comes to Centers I think size and strength is a huge boost to them. Skill at the Center position is rare, and when it’s there, it’s incredible but you can get a “franchise” center that is just a big guy who can block a few shots, grab a couple boards, and and reliably put the ball back or knock an occasional shot. Andres Biedrins could be considered franchise if he learned to block a shot and put on a bit of muscle, for a center, could he not?

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by BD34 on Apr 30, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what we have in house.....

Yes, HT is on our current roster. Was he brought here to be the future at the C position, or a throw in to make a trade work? So far, EVERY sign leads to him not being the answer to anything. Teams who take chances on developing raw talent just because they are on the roster are also common to being in the bottom of conferences and in the lottery every year. Guys like Jermaine O’Neal and Rasheed Wallace are skilled, not just raw with potential. After 2 seasons, there’s no signs of this guy being capable of an impact player. In Memphis, he was slow to respond got dunked on. Slow lateral movement not very instinctive. He got dunked on several times. And sorry, I don’t think #s put up in the d-league can be translated or taken for anything it’s not. If this franchise is willing to, in his 3rd year, feed him to the wolves and learn from real playing time, we may be drafting very high next season but that may be the plan.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 1, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every sign points to him being a throw in? Really? Never elaborate on anything and it's hard to be wrong, right?

Thabeet never saw enough minutes to make that call that you’re putting up there. You cite getting dunked on like it never happens to a good player. I mean, Yao got dunked on, he must have been fucking awful, right? Oh, that’s what happens when you actually make a play on the ball? My bad.

I never said his D-League numbers would translate but that the skills would help his DEVELOPMENT. No one expects him to instantly step in to the NBA and get a double double because he did it in the D-League. The sensible among us expect his time in the D-League to help him with his positioning for rebounds and blocks, and finding an offensive rhythm in his game. You’re the only one asserting that he’s supposed to be some superstar or some colossal failure, no in between ground.

I’m not responding on this thread from this point forward because it always erupts into a shitstorm where you won’t read or respond to anything or expand on your answers.

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by BD34 on May 2, 2011 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you make it down to Houston

I’m picking up up from the airport.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 2, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool man

We should all try to hang out somewhere if possible. Maybe play some ball. I am rusty as a 1989 Toyota Camry but I can still defend anyone.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 2, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

shit ill fux wit yall boys if yall come down

i preciate da drink offer too bro…..i jus get tired of all da hatin on hurr….u make valid points on tds ppl jus dont like ppl not feelin wat dey sayin…jus sayin

///we da 3 best friends dat anyone culd have\

Ima d*ck so i shouldnt be dat hard to swallow

by mitmil22 on May 2, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Sting

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 2, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Up OR

stays where he is with minimal to no improvement which sadly I see as a great possibility.

by alexander_37 on Apr 30, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I voted for Terrence Williams because his skills will likely be utilized more effectively next season.

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 29, 2011 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Jordan Hill has 0 votes as of this comment lol! I swear this is wishy washyness at its best and with proof. He was 1st last season and last this season. I voted for Williams of course but I still believe in Hill actually.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on Apr 29, 2011 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it is the wording of the question,

from season to season. I think Hill did very well considering the curve-ball he got in the off season. No one expected the switch to center, (Paterson had a role in that), but with that he made strides. I think he gives us a lot of options at 4/5. I agree with you about Will, but mostly because he would have to use his formidable hops just to be able to see the floor right now. The kid has a hole to climb out of, but in this award, that is an advantage.

by makinmajik on Apr 29, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

It shouldn’t be a curve ball to expect a 6’10 guy to play center. If you are 6’10 or over it should be pretty clear that you will be expected to play center at some point in your career and you should prepare for it.

"it just goes to show ya: People look like famous people sometimes! "
- chuckhayesALLSTAR2010

by ClutchFanSince94 on Apr 30, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea, when you play PF all your career, are more prepared for it and better fit for it, get ready to change that position!

You’re stretching really hard on this one. It requires a different skill set, build, and set of instincts and you’re saying height inherently grants you that? Or what?

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by BD34 on Apr 30, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hill seemed to wake at a certain point, and said he had personal troubles.

Maybe that’s what was holding him back – the talent to be a good player is there.

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by Xiane on Apr 29, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hasheem Thabeet should be running away with this.

You can’t teach height. You can teach just about everything else though. I want him to see more minutes, and watch other teams struggle with rotations to adapt to his sheer height. He has a good 6 fouls on him, and I guarantee before he goes back to the bench they’ll be deflections, blocks, and even a few easy put backs.

I’m not saying he’ll be the next Hakeem, or Dwight, but maybe he’ll be amount to a young Mutumbo with a little bit more ceiling, and I’ll take that any day of the week.

by lucnguye92 on Apr 29, 2011 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

T-Will and Thabeet are still risky...

Considering they never really got out of the trade pool.
What I mean by that is after Houston acquired both of these guys, neither really saw any playing time and because of that I still think they’re among the first to go when new trade scenarios arise.
Therefore, out of a process of elimination, 2Pat got my vote.
As much as I’d like to see T-Will or Thabeet get minutes and greatly improve, I just don’t know if that will happen.

by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Apr 29, 2011 4:58 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Nah

I’m not glossing over Adelman’s control issues, I realize that was a factor in why we didn’t see them play at all but I still think there are a lot more factors that we may not be aware of that contributed to them not playing. Again, optimistically I’d like TWill and Thabeet to show great improvement, but when I’m asked to go with the odds of a guy like 2Pat who’s now seen starters minutes and provided favorable stats within that time, I’ve got to vote for him.
However, with a new coach and maybe a new system, who knows who’ll blossom under the circumstances.

by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Apr 30, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went with Patterson...

But it’s going to be tough because he’s already proven he’s a player. Here’s my train of thought. By the end of next season, he will be the starting PF.. Assuming Scola gets dealt. But anyways, Hill, Thabeet, and T-Will have the most to prove. Their shape, attitude, and play in training camp and preseason will determine if they embraced the opportunity of a new coach and possible playing time.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on Apr 29, 2011 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

This summed up the season perfectly:

“It wasn’t the regular season that many of us expected, but given the circumstances, an impressive late-season run and another near-playoff miss could serve to provide a sturdy foundation for the future. "

I would go with Lowry. Judging by the entire season as compared to last season, Lowry improved the most, followed by Budinger. If judging by progress over the season, the award hands down goes to Patterson who has grown into a starting PF quality player.

I appreciate the realistic summary of the season. The Yao Ming situation has been dissapointing (though no fault of Yao’s) and DM has had to adjust to the reality of no All-Star center but he adjusted well and has put us in place to make huge improvements when Yao’s salary space comes off the books. I would have loved to have seen the Rockets in the playoffs, but they didn’t dissapoint. They had a winning record and played some incredible basketball.

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- chuckhayesALLSTAR2010

by ClutchFanSince94 on Apr 29, 2011 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Williams

Don’t feel like being redundant, so just scroll up and read other comments for my opinion

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by .Bonzo on Apr 29, 2011 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Courtney Lee

Was really playing impressive ball at end of season. What was most gratifying is he was finally starting to drive w/a purpose and making plays. Was really looking comfortable on court.
Good chance either Scola or Martin get traded,and my bet is Martin is the one,w/Lee moving into starting SG spot.

by Tisbee on Apr 29, 2011 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

The most promising player isn't even on the rockets roster Yet.

circumstance affected Jordan Hill and was last years done before P2 was drafted?
injury > logic

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by craigj007 on Apr 29, 2011 11:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Hill has more potential then we give him credit for.

by VBG on Apr 30, 2011 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

There comes a point when potential is either realized or it isn’t.

"it just goes to show ya: People look like famous people sometimes! "
- chuckhayesALLSTAR2010

by ClutchFanSince94 on Apr 30, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wasn't as damning in Dwight Howard's case...

I wonder what would have happened, had he gained 20 pounds of muscle as well. Even if we don’t have Brian Hill, we still have Jack Sikma.

by suzaku on May 1, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're undoubtedly right.

And I think we’ve reached the point where is a very real concern about Hill.

by Metalate on Apr 30, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

though far from dominant

There is no doubting that hill has improved drasticaly since last yr its just hard to tell cuz he still has a ways to go. Fortunately for him he’s got pleanty of time.

"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz

by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 30, 2011 3:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Terrence Williams, to me,

has shown flashes (at least in NJ) of star-quality play, so he gets my vote. Sure, Hill and Thabeet haven’t gotten the same opportunities, but Williams has that mix of defensive tenacity, athleticism and court vision that are the usual foundation of any star player. His development is really going to come down to the kind of coach we hire, and I hope to goodness it’s someone who can develop a troubled player into a star (as opposed to someone who is solely a defensive guru).

Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
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by olivarezq1 on Apr 30, 2011 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

this a 'brightest future' vote

Not a ‘who will be MIP by the end of next season’ many of you have already said that patterson, in his rookie yr, has alrdy shown he is a legit player and somehow that counted against him in this vote.
Will paterson be the most shocking should he turn around next yr and play incredibly well? No. I agree that thabeet holds that distinction. He and williams both have nowheree to go but up and therefore have the most room for improvement, hill as well.
But I think its clear that patterson, barring injury, has the most potential to turn into an all-star one day. Him or lee.
While lowry did turn into a beast, I think its safe to say he’s hit his cieling (which is not bad, I hope to god he maintains this lvl of play)
As for who gets traded first, scola or martin, I think age and positional depth should make it clear that out of the two scola is the more expendable.
Not saying other people were generaly wrong about what they said just contextualy incorrect as it seemed that the true nature of the question put forth got lost in the shuffle.
Once again, its ‘brightest future’ (pat, lee, or evem bud still) not ‘most room for improvement’ (thatbeet, williams, hill)

"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz

by ShookednShanghaied11 on Apr 30, 2011 3:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

This one is a bit confusing

To me, “Which young Rocket do you think has the potential to improve the most between now and the end of next season?” is a different issue than “Most Promising Future.” So I think you get different answers depending on which question you are answering.

by Metalate on May 1, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Many things go into player improvement

I really think that Jordan Hill will continue to slowly improve, but we should temper our expectations due to the fact the kid does not have the same amount of B-ball experience that the standard AAU babies have. Give the dude some time. I don’t care if it takes 1 year or 3 years for him to be an all-star, as long as he does will please me. That is the definition of a project. Patience.

However, T-Will is a different story to me. Hill seems determined and has his shit together mentally for all intensive purposes, and this seems not to be the case with T-Will. Talent will only take you so far without the desire to get better. People are acting like it is a foregone conclusion that he will develop a jumper because Lowry did, but this is not a guarantee. Dude needs to get his shit straight in the offseason and approach the game with a matching level of determination to go along with his natural talent. There are no free passes when it comes to commitment. The team is more important than the player. If you can’t contribute to the team and do not show the mental capacity to do such, than get the hell on. My hope is that things come together for him this next season.

I hope all of our players improve. Hating on different players we have without hoping positive progression is counterproductive. I may not like a player, but the individual is irrelevant in the face of the franchise. I want them all to develop into all-stars. This is not saying we should blindly let a player who is unwilling get a pass, but we should be patient and hopeful.

"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers

by A.J. G on May 2, 2011 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

The knock on TWill has always been his attitude

The million-dollar question is if that attitude will persist, causing him to be detrimental to the team and its objectives. Personally, I feel that his attitude is definitely correctable. He didn’t hit it off well with Avery Johnson, who doesn’t have the greatest reputation as a player’s coach. On the other hand, the player’s coach we just parted with didn’t hit it off well with TWill either, but would you like the guy who’s not giving you playing time you feel you deserve?

I’m not saying that TWill’s actions were necessary or correct, but I do feel they are not permanent. I’m also not necessarily disagreeing with you, I’m just more optimistic when it comes to TWill

by ppatsaboss on May 2, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

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