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Houston Rockets NBA Draft Lottery Open Thread

The Rockets literally have a 98 percent chance of sticking at number fourteen. But hey, who's a fan of settling with stupid numbers and such? Not me! We're gunning for the top spot!

Kyle Lowry continues the Rockets' recent string of sending point guards to represent the team at the lottery. In the past, Steve Francis and Aaron Brooks have attended, and if you recall, it was Francis who drew the lucky number one pick, which of course turned out to be Yao Ming.

Have at it, folks.

UPDATE: See below - Rockets will interview McHale for a second time.

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The wheels fell off the train on all of those point guards after they represented us at the lottery too.

Oh shi-…

Yes, the profile picture is a dude wailing a guitar and kicking a rhino in the giggleberries while an explosion goes off in the background. I'm kind of like that in person. Awesome.

by BD34 on May 17, 2011 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

NOOOOO!!!!

Don’t say it! I have banning privileges and am not afraid to use them.

Un-jinx it! UN-JINX IT!!!!!!!

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

But if you ban me, sir, who will be the oddly enlightening asshole this board needs?

If Lowry does have a horrible year I’m going to write Alexander and Morey to stop sending their f*cking point guards. Send guys like Brad Miller.

Yes, the profile picture is a dude wailing a guitar and kicking a rhino in the giggleberries while an explosion goes off in the background. I'm kind of like that in person. Awesome.

by BD34 on May 17, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

BD

is nothing if not humble and self-deprecating.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

but I like to keep my comments PG. For the kids, you see.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you would use well hung and ravishing!

Yes, the profile picture is a dude wailing a guitar and kicking a rhino in the giggleberries while an explosion goes off in the background. I'm kind of like that in person. Awesome.

by BD34 on May 17, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hold On

He might shoot someone, send Chuck instead

by mjdinhouston on May 17, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pick 14 here we come!

this draft to me could be one of the worst ever. If we do have some luck, i’d rather save it for another year.

by twinkilling0303 on May 17, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

#1 !

Got it!

All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.

by hornedfrogrocket on May 17, 2011 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd think we'd take Williams over Irving

But Irving is a beast, so I don’t know

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.

by .Bonzo on May 17, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

It’s funny, when certain teams land the #1 pick in this (ESPN draft lottery machine), it has them selecting Williams instead.

All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.

by hornedfrogrocket on May 17, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

gotta be honest, did not know this was today

I’ve been so removed from sports

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.

by .Bonzo on May 17, 2011 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

If we by some chance get the #1 pick,

we’re going to trade down.

We do not need a SF or PG. We need a center. I see us trading down to #3 to get Kanter.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 17, 2011 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think Derrick Williams is a guy

you give up for Enes Kanter. Williams is probably the only can’t miss player just because of his athleticism, let alone superstar potential. Kanter is a guy who’s more of an un-known. Not going to say he’s a project, but there’s no guarentee his play can translate 100% over here at the same high level. Just my opinion.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 17, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I was thinking

I dont know enough about Derrick Williams though to know if he is a can’t miss player, everything i’ve read about Kanter though has me excited. He reminds me of a Bogut type player, and that ain’t bad at all.

Game Thread Extraordinaire

by Rockets4LIFE on May 17, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would love it if we can move up somehow (via trade of pics) even if we dont win and get Kanter

I dont see many realistic options at C via free agency. I also wouldnt mind Biyombo since he is a supposed shot blocker.

by Rockets4LIFE on May 17, 2011 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I am not sure

I see many picks at center in the draft either. Perhaps we deal for Pryzbilla, he’s a free agent and we trade this pick to another team’s pick for their 1st round pick next year.

by mjdinhouston on May 17, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i gotta say,

seeing the draft class, i am not very excited for this year lottery….how is the talent lvl so bad this year..maybe the international players will be good in 4 years when they come over from overseas…

by AK1111 on May 17, 2011 6:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Kemba

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 17, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Just to be straight...

Tonight’s draft lottery is only going to determine the top 3 picks right? And then after that it goes according to record?

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 17, 2011 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

yup

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 17, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.

by hornedfrogrocket on May 17, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Kyle brings back #1

He would be our MVP for the season.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 17, 2011 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn straight

Come on LOWRY

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 17, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade him!

he has failed us.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 17, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why didn’t they interview Kahn?

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on May 17, 2011 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Check out nickandroll.blogspot.com

by n1ck34 on May 17, 2011 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Stunned

just…shocked right now.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Damnit

Check out nickandroll.blogspot.com

by n1ck34 on May 17, 2011 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

That sucks

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 17, 2011 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on May 17, 2011 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Utah Sucks

Game Thread Extraordinaire

by Rockets4LIFE on May 17, 2011 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Well at least they got top 3 in this draft.

by MadMartygan on May 17, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least we know who they're taking

anyone white

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 17, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

THE JIMMER!!!!

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they would rather take Jimmer's brother,

who’s aspiring to be a mormon rapper.

Jimmer would just be a bonus.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 17, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate Utah

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

My roommate is now pissed off at me for hitting the NOOOOOO button about 392389 times in the last two minutes.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on May 17, 2011 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Cleveland is money....

2 top 4 picks..

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 17, 2011 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Oops

"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on May 17, 2011 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

WHY DID MINNY NOT GET #1 PICK I HATE MY LIFE

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on May 17, 2011 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

meh

It’s a weak draft anyways

by jack_ on May 17, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take that LeBron!!!

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 17, 2011 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Payd

is way more ballin than paid.

“I’m so PAYD!”

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your right...

Im only a sophomore in Ballin school so I’m still learnin

by Rocket94 on May 17, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

One day you'll get paid

and then maybe you could get payd

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

So is it...

Cleveland, Minny, Utah, then Cleveland again?

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks guys

my Internet is screwing up, and my roommate and his girlfriend are watching Glee. All I need is a gun.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Horrible show

I dont get today’s youth

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 17, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remind me again...

Why did the Clippers give their pick to the Cavs?

by jack_ on May 17, 2011 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

To get rid of Baron Davis.

I mean, that was the #8, after all.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on May 17, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

but was that it?

did they really dump a top 10 pick just to get rid of Baron?

by jack_ on May 17, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. That’s pretty much it.

by MadMartygan on May 17, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

To get rid of Baron Davis’ contract.

by MadMartygan on May 17, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s funny, Simmons and Chad Ford called the Clipper pick winning, just because it’s the Clippers.

by MadMartygan on May 17, 2011 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

So, the Clippers trade Baron Davis for Mo Williams, and give up a #1 in the process.

I swear to God, Blake is possibly the one guy who I could see actually taking the QO just to get out of there before more bad crap happens to him. And I still maintain if he wins one title as a Clipper, he’s the GOAT. I don’t care what roster he has around him.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on May 17, 2011 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

"if he wins one title as a Clipper, he’s the GOAT"

Exciting as he is, he’ll never come close to being the GOAT. So I guess the Clippers won’t ever win a title…

by jack_ on May 17, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sucks for the cavs.

They got the 1st and 4th picks in a shitty draft, though that does mean they have options

by ppatsaboss on May 17, 2011 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Irving will be a good player

and at four they may have a chance at Kanter.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kanter is my candidate to fall far this draft

I have a friend in the Kings organization that says that his reluctance to work out with teams in addition to his not playing for more than a year are scaring a lot of people off.

by Patrick Harrel on May 17, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

So good

I’m pretty sure O’Connor’s face did not change from this expression the entire night.

by Patrick Harrel on May 17, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

though this one is good too

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite from BlazersEdge

“Which person would Timberwolves fans prefer to be their GM?”

by Patrick Harrel on May 17, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

HAHA

that’s awesome.

My choice: the desk would be better than Kahn.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Read this story about Nick Gilbert

Absolutely incredible.

Link

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

That guy has courage

I wish him all the best

Game Thread Extraordinaire

by Rockets4LIFE on May 17, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

For real

I hope to see him at many lotteries to come. Not that I wish bad stuff to Cleveland, but…they’re Cleveland. We’ll see them here again. Often.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm torn between Markieff Morris and Tristan Thompson.

They are both similar, but Thompson has a bit more upside.

Thompson is only around 6’9", but he has incredible athleticism and has great length.

He’s a legit shot blocker already, his offensive game looks decent so far, and his rebounding his above average.

I’m leaning on Thompson slightly right now.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 17, 2011 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Kemba

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 17, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

LeBron

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 17, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 17, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

recd

nice

"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22

by theSpaceCityKid on May 19, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's not worth trading up for.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 17, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you want another PF?

The Rockets already have 4

"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey

by fanoflosingteams on May 18, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing....

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 18, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just leave Bone alone

Let’s not start shit with him.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 18, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta love people who carry grudges over the internet.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 18, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt mind Biyombo actually

I think he could slide to C if need be

Game Thread Extraordinaire

by Rockets4LIFE on May 18, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's a true C actually as far as play style goes

Sure he’s only 6’9, but he has a 7’7" wing span which would be the biggest wingspan in the league. I’d take him at 14 for sure.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 18, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

He plays big.. similar to Ben Wallace with a million times better post game

by Rocket94 on May 18, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not exactly

His post game is next to nothing at this point.

by Patrick Harrel on May 18, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he'll be ok

As raw as Serge Ibaka was when he was drafted he looks fine now. It’s all about how you groom these young guys which is why we needed a new coach.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 18, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Key in my sentence was “at this point.” He’s not horrifically bad offensively, he just lacks any experience. With some good coaching, he could reach levels of adequacy offensively. It is worth noting, however, that Ibaka had a better jumper when drafted/signed than Biyombo does now.

by Patrick Harrel on May 18, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He actually has touch around the rim

He has a hook shot and thats about it.. which is a million times better than Ben haha..

by Rocket94 on May 18, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has a generally nice touch which is something that is huge in development

But mechanically all of his offensive moves are flawed. All of his moves are tight and rigid, almost robotic-like, but I’d agree with you that around the rim he’s decent. A decent post game is among the hardest things to develop in the NBA, and Biyombo’s never going to be a post scorer. But as garbage men who rebound, defend, and can get put-backs into the hoop go, he’ll be one of the best.

by Patrick Harrel on May 18, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

So just because he's 6'9" means he can't play center?

Chuck Hayes disagrees with you, as does Tom Martin.

If you watch this guy play, he plays so much taller than 6’9". He has incredible athleticism and great length. He has good fundamentals, and he can rebound at a high rate. His offensive game is better than people give him credit for, and it has the potential to be an above average offensive game.

This guy is the BPA, or do we not draft the BPA anymore? I know that’s Morey’s thinking, otherwise we would have drafted Larry Sanders over Patterson last year.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 18, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worth noting - Ben Wallace.

6’9" DPOY, shotblocking center.

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by BD34 on May 18, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 18, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry Sanders is not a center...

He’s 6’11" but he’s as much of a center as LaMarcus Aldridge is. To be honest, he’s built like a 3 almost, but he’ll end up at the 4. He just doesn’t have the bulk to be a center.

Biyombo could eventually play center, and could see him becoming like Emeka Okafor. A tough, physical presence in the paint who can go back and forth between the 4 and 5 (with the 4 being his natural position) with a limited offensive game. Okafor definitely has the better touch, but Biyombo has the at the rim touch that Okafor excels at when he pins his man deep.

by Patrick Harrel on May 18, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I now see your point.

Biyombo is a unique player on film. I’m still trying to figure out how he has a 7’7" wingspan when he’s only 6’9". He’s 240, so he’s already got an NBA body. I actually would not mind this guy now.

Would I take him over Thompson? Maybe.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 19, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

then the Rockets might as well

Put PPat at Center if height isnt an option. they’re both the same height but PPat is a better defender in my eyes. Tristan does have some good post moves but you cant compare the “centers” he faced in college to the ones he’ll see in the NBA. There are barely, if any, true centers in college anymore. Heck didnt PPat play center for a while at Kentucky? College has shifted to “small ball”, thats why most of the people that are 6’11+ are international. Howard, Bynum, Aldridge, Gasol (both) Z-Bo, D. Jordan those guys are 6’10+ and are going to more than likely swat a majority of his shots away. He IS NOT a FT shooter so teams will give him the Dwight Howard treatment (foul him as soon as he gets the ball and put him on the FT line.) In all honesty he should’ve stayed another year. The only reason he’s rated as high as he is, is because so many other have stayed in school. The Rockets should be looking at a SF in the 14 spot because NO center in this draft is much better than what we already have. You know Hayes can play center, you have Thabeet and Hill working on their game, why not grab the best SF available and grab a center with either the 23 pick or the 2nd round pick. Benson from Oakland may still be available and he is 6’11

"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey

by fanoflosingteams on May 18, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chuck Hayes CANNOT play center.

He is a great post defender, but he’s a liability in the paint. We have no help defense with him on the floor.

Thompson may not be worth the 14th pick, but this Biyombo guy is. He could potentially become the next Ben Wallace or Emeka Okafor. He’s got an unhuman wingspan of 7’7", and he weighs around 240, which is above average strength for someone who’s 6’9". Plus, he’s only going to get stronger. Did I mention he is only 18?

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 19, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

who cares.

This draft is so thin that the rockets should look more into getting a new head coach than caring about this draft. Hopefully with Yao healthy the Rockets can make a push to the playoffs.. but they have been making some DUMB decisions… trading away AB and Carl Landry. . I dont like the decisions of the front office..

by Eric Yong Hong on May 18, 2011 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

You lost your right to call the front office dumb when you started a sentence with "Hopefully with Yao healthy..."

Yes, the profile picture is a dude wailing a guitar and kicking a rhino in the giggleberries while an explosion goes off in the background. I'm kind of like that in person. Awesome.

by BD34 on May 18, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can understand people's hope for Yao.

If he were to be healthy next year, he’d be one of the top centers in the league. He has the most offensive skills for a center in the league, and that doesn’t leave you.

He didn’t have any athleticism to begin with, so the only chance with him is his health.

I wouldn’t mind bringing him back next year for a low price. If he by some chance remains healthy, we immediately have the best low post player in the league on our team. He also commands the double team, and gives us a legit presence in the paint on defense.

And he’s only 31.

Now, signing him would possibly be bad for Thabeet, but I doubt he’s going to get that much playing time next year. He’s still about another year away from being ready.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 18, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Counting on his health is a horrible decision regardless of hope because the last two years have really shown that it's futile.

The only reasonable way to approach the Yao issue is to bring him back dirt cheap if at all and use him in limited capacity. We need to move on from Yao, get Hasheem development time, and continue to work on moving forward from the Yao(less)-era.

Yes, the profile picture is a dude wailing a guitar and kicking a rhino in the giggleberries while an explosion goes off in the background. I'm kind of like that in person. Awesome.

by BD34 on May 18, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously not trying to start anything...

But what do you mean Thabeet is another year away? Dude’s going to be entering his third season. By the mid point of next season, our FO should know for certain whether to pick up the option or not and if he’s going to be part of the plan. I’m not going to say that it’s make or break season for Hasheem, but it kind of is at least in Houston. As for Yao, he’s not going to sign for a low price. I keep hearing proposterous contracts “just sign him for 3 mil/year.” The dude can make that in appearances and enterprises. Whoever signs him, is going to pay him. Personally I think it’s time for Houston to move on, but if there’s an early termination team option in a contract, I don’t have a problem for the 7-10 million/year he will eventually sign for.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 18, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, Hasheem Thabeet is an abomination at 5 mil a year

but Brad Miller at 5 mil a year and Yao (disastrously unreliable his last two years and most like lining up for injury in an attempted come back) at 7-10 mil a year (Even with an ETO) is perfectly reasonable and conducive to flexibility for the Rockets? I truly don’t understand how your thought process could be called reasoning.

Thabeet will get burn next year, I hope, and it will help his development and let us get a handle on what’s going on. You mention Yao’s appearances and what not, he can make those during the NBA season, so they’re not mutually exclusive to a contract, they’re more conducive to Houston potentially getting a bit of a discount on retaining him if he really does care about this team giving him another shot.

Yes, the profile picture is a dude wailing a guitar and kicking a rhino in the giggleberries while an explosion goes off in the background. I'm kind of like that in person. Awesome.

by BD34 on May 18, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know my stance on Miller....

He’s Rick’s guy and is probably sweating it now that his coach is gone. I was never big on the legnth or amount of his contract, but I think he’s a decent reserve player, but currently overpaid.
My disagreement with HT was with “still a year away.” This offseason is his time to show his worth and how he responds to coaching. If he shows up everyday and works his arse off, he shouldn’t be a year away, he should be impactful this season. And when I say that, I mean rebounding and shot blocking per 48 minutes. I think our FO will be able to assess how far he’s come by mid-next season and if he’s part of the future and whether or not to pick up his option. I don’t think it’s feasible to use your first pick on a natural forward and try to convert him to center, when you have a young big man who’s claimed to be “a year away.”
As for Yao, I have a gut feeling (kind of like you guys with HT) that he can play 55 games and still get 14 and 8 while being efficient. I am not a doctor and I have nothing to back that up, just a hunch.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 18, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The difference between Yao and Hasheem is that Hasheem doesn't have a track record, Yao's is well documented.

Tack on to it that you have a problem with a project guy on a project team because of the money he’s owed yet you’re not railing against guys practically stealing money like Brad Miller or offering Yao a fat contract to come in and maybe if we’re really nice, contribute SOMETHING.

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by BD34 on May 18, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have to understand this:

Hasheem is a huge project. I know you are without patience, but understand that Hasheem needs more time before he is ready. Memphis did nothing to help him his rookie year, so last year was his only real development. He played well down at RGV, which was expected of him. He was top 3 in blocks, top 10 in FG%, and rebounded well.

This is coming from a guy who’s aspiring to be a scout. I don’t want to brag or anything, but I know what I’m talking about when I say he won’t be fully ready until next year, maybe the second half of this year at the very earliest. This all doesn’t mean he can’t play though, because he needs to.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 18, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good luck with your scouting venture...

I stayed in hotels all over Texas for a couple years watching HS Football. You would be amazed at how many teams tip plays by their offensive tackles stances.
But when you say Memphis did nothing to help him his rookie year, he played twice as many minutes his rookie season than he did his second with Memphis and Houston. (Ya ya I know D League in the second)They gave him a shot, but he got beat out for minutes, albeit by solid big men. But he started 13 games and averaged 13 mpg. Yes that’s a small sample, but it was evident to Memphis that he was a stretch as far as expectations.
Houston has a decision to make this time next year about Hasheem. So I will stand firm in that he needs to be produce and show something this upcoming season. Yes, he’s in his third year, not technically entering his second. Just because you’re not getting time on the court, doesn’t mean your body just turns it’s clock off and you don’t age or better yet accept a paycheck. While game-time minutes are best for development, work-ethic is paramount. You can look for excuses as to why you’re not getting minutes, or you can use that energy and passion to strive towards greatness He was given a new opportnity coming to Houston, is he going to embrace it or just keep getting paid. I don’t know, neither do you. But if he works his ass off in the offseason, that hard work will translate into consistant minutes. Hell right now, the only other C on the roster is Brad Miller. His mindset should be I want to start for the Houston Rockets next year. And like I said, he should be evaluated by blocks and rebounds per 48 minutes. But getting back to the point at hand, this is his season to prove his worth. They aren’t going to pick up his option unless they know what they have in him. So another year away IMO just isn’t feasible.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 18, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get what you're saying,

but I strongly disagree about what he did in Memphis. They have by far the worst development program in all of the NBA. Ask anybody who knows the NBA well, and they’ll back up my statement.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 19, 2011 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thabeet is technically entering his second season.

Memphis did not develop him at all.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 18, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

How was trading AB away dumb?

He was having a miserable year, and did his famous walk-out. He needed a change of scenery, like Dragic did. AB played better in Phoenix than he did in Houston, and Dragic played bettere here than he did in Phoenix. For fuck’s sake, Dragic had a triple double this year, coming off the bench. AB isn’t likely to have one throughout his career.

Plus, getting rid of AB allowed Lowry to seize control of the team and let him become a good, maybe great PG in this league.

AB has hit his ceiling, while both Dragic and Lowry can grow in some areas.

This move was far from dumb.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 18, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love AB but I agree that trading him was smart

He was due a big contract but it wouldn’t make sense for us too give him big money when we are rebuilding and he isn’t a franchise guy.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 18, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

"He was due a big contract."

Last season proves he isn’t worth a big contract.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 19, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes you're right

but I would argue that two years ago he proved he did in fact deserve a big contract. He’s strikingly similar to Mike Conley: streaky shoot first point who gets by on quickness and his jump shot, led his team through the first round of the playoffs and lost game 7s in the second round.

Brooks helped carry the Rockets to 42-40 two years ago, and was at times the only offense we had. I agree that he sucked this season, and his attitude left much to be desired. But when you see a guy like Conley get a $45 million extension and you think you’re better than him, you’ve got to be a little peeved about a fluke injury and then not getting your starting job back.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 19, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not Mike Conley.

Conley is a very good defender. AB is a liability.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 19, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK

but wouldn’t you agree that AB is a better offensive player than Conley, especially last year (or two years ago, whatever) before Conley finally started working on his jump shot?

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 19, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn right he's not Conley.

AB is a better player overall

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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on May 19, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's debatable.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 19, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think last season he just had an attitude problem and even though he is a professional, I do believe it hindered him. From all I have seen, I agree, I would rather have AB than Conley.

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 20, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

To add to Bone's points

AB was going to ask for a ton of money that the Rockets couldn’t really afford to give him. Do you honestly see AB as THE point guard on a championship team? He was made to be a backup point guard.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 18, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

-Was going to ask for a ton of money

-Have the year Aaron had
-You’re huffing glue if you think the open market would give him any other options besides “Take a meager offer to return to Houston.”

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by BD34 on May 18, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was still going to ask for a ton of money

It was going to end badly, even if he had played well, I think.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on May 18, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can ask all you want, at the end of the day if your play was shit, you gotta take what the market will offer.

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by BD34 on May 18, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, I'm just saying to assume it's because of asking price when the market would quickly correct that, is to put blame on the wrong end.

Nothing wrong if the management doesn’t want him back, just say “They didn’t want him back.” Not “He was going to ask too much money.”

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by BD34 on May 18, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got ya

His value has dropped by a huge amount… especially with the problems he continued having in Phoenix….

by Rocket94 on May 18, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

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