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Ten NBA Draft Thoughts For The Houston Rockets

Note: None of the following may ultimately matter should THE RAPTURE take form. At least we'll still have something to argue over in the midst of the total destruction of Australia before calling it quits ourselves. Also, I'd like to thank Harold Camping for giving me something to laugh about hysterically. What an idiot.

Some random Rockets draft thoughts that have crossed my mind over the past few days:

1. Don't forget Rule No.1: When evaluating these players and figuring who we think the Rockets should take, it's imperative that we include exactly how a certain player might fit on the Rockets versus how he might fit on a different team. Not to say that I prefer drafting for need over drafting the "best" player available, but I like to figure out what specific tools one player might bring over another in relation to what the Rockets need. In drafting "need," a team might draft to fill a position. In my scenario, a team chooses a specific player within a chosen position based on a certain criteria. Get it? No? Well, screw that, then.

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2. I don't like Enes Kanter for Houston. He reminds me of our pal Luis Scola -- and don't jump on that comparison too quickly -- in that he plays below the rim, isn't one to protect the rim on defense and is skillful enough on offense to overcome a lack of athleticism. He'll be a good player somewhere, but he is a power forward, through and through. That's not what the Rockets need.

3. Let's ask ourselves: Do the Rockets trade up to take a raw player like Bismack Biyombo when they've already got a raw player in Hasheem Thabeet, who happens to be a true center? Continue to the next point for an addendum.

4. There aren't any true centers available in this draft. Sure, there are a bunch of hybrids -- ideal power forwards who can still guard the center position. But I'm not sure the Rockets should sacrifice drafting for depth on the wings to take a chance on a frontcourt tweener, especially given Thabeet's presence on the roster. Not to say that I wholeheartedly believe in Thabeet, but is there much reason to place any more belief in these prospects? Perhaps next season can be the year for Houston to go after an available big body.

5. It comes down to this question (re: the points above): Assuming that the Rockets need cash center help now, do any of these prospects appear to be any more ready than Thabeet to step in and start right away? Patience could prove to be virtuous in this regard.

6. The Four-Headed SF Monster: Between Jordan Hamilton, Kawhi Leonard, Tobias Harris and Chris Singleton, it may come down to A) Who is available without having to move up, B) If the Rockets choose to go with a small forward, do they shoot for Hamilton's polished offense, Singleton's or Leonard's potentially dominant defense, or Harris' "jack of all trades but master of none" well-roundedness? I like all four of these players based on talent alone. For the Rockets, I prefer Singleton, Leonard or Harris over Hamilton, if only because Hamilton appears to have a "go-to guy" mindset that could serve other teams well but not Houston.

Of the four, I think Harris would be the safest pick. Some have labeled him as a power forward, but in looking at the available tape, he looks as if he could fit the small forward role just fine. I like his size and his ability to put the ball on the floor (at least enough to get by), but above all else, I like that he doesn't have a macro-size weak spot. Sure, his jumper could improve. Sure, he could be more assertive around the rim, and perhaps his defense could improve slightly as well. But -- much in the way that I loved last year's Patrick Patterson pick -- I'm a fan of taking the least Swiss-cheese-looking player, the one with the least holes in his game. To me, this reflects maturity and attention to detail. The Rockets won't find a star in this draft, making the two aforementioned traits all the more attractive.

I've made no secret of my support of Singleton. He's got an NBA body and an NBA feel to him, whatever that means. He's a defense-first guy who is improving on offense, and while that's not to say that he is incredibly raw, to be honest I don't really care. The Rockets will know what they are getting if they draft Singleton: they won't ask him to be a 15-point scorer. Instead, I could see them focusing on his three-point shot and his slashing ability, especially in transition. His impact would be felt most on the defensive end, but he is athletic enough on offense to make plays without being as overtly annoying and hopelessly assertive as Trevor Ariza.

This alone is why I might prefer Singleton over Leonard. Leonard has a pretty horrible outside shot, whereas Singleton looks as if he could develop from range over time. The Rockets might have to trade up to take Leonard as well, and that's not something I'd like to do this year. I'm ready to select at fourteen and twenty-three. Should Houston decide to make a move, I'd rather they give up their second rounder and perhaps slide the twenty-third pick down into the teens.

7. Don't know what to make of Tristan Thompson. If he grows, maybe he could be a center. If he doesn't, will we simply be watching "Jordan Hill, Part 2: Where Defense Ability Exists, Despite No Definite Position?" Who knows. I need to find out more about him.

8. Throw out the Morris twins. Don't see them doing much to help the team, especially with Patterson on boards. This could change if Scola ever gets moved, but I think we've wrongly made that assumption about a hundred times.

9. Jonas Valanciunas? Maybe we need to give him some more consideration. If the Rockets indeed choose to move up, would they move up for young Jonas?

10. What about the twenty-third pick? It's tough to gauge who might be available, but I've always liked Darius Morris out of Michigan. The Rockets don't necessarily need a point guard, but there's no harm in adding depth to a position that Houston hasn't solidified, well, ever. I'll come back to this at some point.

Thoughts of your own? Maybe I'll get bored enough to do a mock draft at some point.

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I don't agree with 2 and 3

Perhaps because I just like both of those players, but I think you’re way off on those points. Kanter is definitely a center. He’s tough, he has a huge frame, he’s a legit 6’11", and he’s a strong post defender. I got to see him up and close at practice at the Nike Hoops Summit and he impressive on D. He’s not the most athletic guy, but he’s not the stiff that many think he is. Pair his alright athleticism with extreme smarts and you have a decent shot-blocker. You don’t have to be a dominant shot-blocker to be a top center, and he’s at least decent in the shot-blocking arena.

On Biyombo, he’s a completely different player from Thabeet. They’re both raw offensively and tremendous shot-blockers, but Biyombo has a touch inside that Thabeet lacks. Biyombo has no jumper, but he’s a much safer prospect than Thabeet IMO. I’ve already stated my points on the Biyombo profile so I’m not going to repeat myself too much, but I really like Biyombo.

by Patrick Harrel on May 20, 2011 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm going to disagree with you on Thabeet's lack of touch.

I watched every D-League game that he played in, and he actually has a good 14 foot jumper. He also has good touch around the rim.

He has a very underrated offensive game.

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by bone31crusher on May 20, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know as well as I do there was really only like 4 of us watching Thabeet's D-League games, and we became believers off of it.

Which means 97% of this board won’t recognize how right you really are.

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by BD34 on May 21, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's really sad

How too many are judging the guy but don’t want to check on his progress. Writing him off without any solid reason just doesn’t make sense but it seems as though it is popular on this board. I bet when he is making an impact they all will sing his praises and be glad we have him.

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by batman713 on May 21, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I watched his games

But I think ya’ll are putting too much weight in NBDL performances. He was ok with the jumper, and I think that is something that could turn into a NBA level shot, but otherwise he wasn’t exactly dominant. He was playing in a league where most teams trot out 6’8" to 6’9" centers and he had a huge height advantage. Typically, players that play at merely good levels in the NBDL are not NBA quality yet, it takes pretty dominant levels which he was not at. Patterson put up 18 and 10, playing a lot of center against guys his size or bigger, but Thabeet was adequate, with something like 10 and 8. He could make some nice finishes in the paint, but often looked a little Jeffries-esque on some shots inside IMO.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

So we're faulting the guy for not dominating a guard driven league and he's entirely dependent on them getting him the ball?

When he got his touches he was dominant, it’s not his fault they fucked him over and wouldn’t get him the ball.

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by BD34 on May 21, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not like when they threw it into him, he immediately did a Dream Shake and scored on them

He was decent, but merely adequate. If you think that you can be a solid contributor in the NBA, you’d better kill in the D-League. You saw T-Will average a freaking trip-doub (I know he’s a wing so it’s different, but you sure as hell better play well either way), and he still struggled to play well in the NBA (I know playing time was sparse but he did not play well in the time he got).

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's break down what you said.

Thabeet didn’t instantly turn and dominate. He was in the D-League for a reason. To pick up skills and learn some basics he needed to get down. He had a good mid range jumper and did well in that regard.

Williams averaged a triple double and we cannot say he struggled to play well because if the coach doesn’t really let you play, you cannot play well nor can you play poorly. You can only be a victim of the pity fuck of 30 seconds per month of game time some curmudgeonly asshole gave you.

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by BD34 on May 21, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You forgot to mention that he shot 62% from the field there.

And that he finished with an average of +9 when on the floor.

Yes, he played against guys who were 6’9" or 6’10", but when you play against guys who are 4 inches shorter than you, you are expected to shoot a high percentage like 62%, and he did that.

As for his jumper, it can be improved. Remember, we have one of the best PF/C coaches in Carroll Dawson.

I’m trying to figure out what the problem is…

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since ya'll aren't going to trust anything I'll say about Thabeet

Let me quote Scott Schroeder, an NBDL expert on Thabeet…

Guys, he didn’t dominate the D-League…
Far from it, actually.

That was on the Dream Shake.

When I asked him on twitter about the Thabeet love on TDS a few minutes ago, he said:

@TomMartin4’s minions love Hasheem for reasons completely unknown to me.

It’s not like I have a vendetta against Thabeet, I’d love for him to succeed. But he just wasn’t that amazing in the D-League.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one here is saying he ripped it apart, you're assuming that's what we're saying.

We’re saying he did well and is better than people say he is. People say he is as good at basketball as I am, the sensible among us recognize this as a false hood. No one is saying he went down to the D-League and showed Olajuwon some new shit. You’re saying that’s our standpoint. If you want to assign us a standpoint you will be right day in and day out because it’s entirely manipulative via your control.

As far as that D-League scout’s opinion, he reinforced your view, that Thabeet wasn’t the greatest player in the history of the D-League. No one here said he was. You successfully created and destroyed a strawman.

The “minions”, as he so dickishly called us, that support Thabeet do so because we recognize that even raw, he’s a representative of us actually trying to fix a problem. Taking a good amount of raw materials and trying to shape it to fill a void we have. Everyone else assumes a quick fix will be handed to us or a comparable raw guy with a ceiling is a better idea. It’s confounding because if you draft a raw center who needs to be shaped but you already have one you have the Thabeet you already got and can work with and have worked with and your own in house Thabeet. You like your in house version because he’s safer and you can blame Daryl if he doesn’t pan out. If he hits, either one, it was “a matter of time and a brilliant move.”

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by BD34 on May 21, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I saw a guy who was pretty rusty, but had good instincts.

Let’s see what happens when an organization takes his development seriously. Memphis expected him to come in and be Shaq or something.

Memphis is finally improving at player development, but Gasol came with a more polished game, more strength. Add Randolph to the mix and Thabeet is the odd man out.

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by Xiane on May 23, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rebuttal

1. I don’t think Kanter is a center, and if he can be a “top center” without being a good shot blocker, then that’s not the type of player Houston needs. I think he can be a good player, but again, he’s more Scola to me than anything center-ish.

2. I don’t think Biyombo’s “touch inside” — which I’ve seen, and it’s suspect — is worth jumping on either. And it’s tough for me to consider any foreign prospect to be “safe.” I have nothing against foreign players, but it’s always tougher to gauge them than it is folks who went through D-1 college ball in the states.

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by Tom Martin on May 20, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leaving the Biyombo thing aside, because I'm not really interested in him anyway

I think it’s too early to unequivocally have an opinon on whether Kanter is a power forward playing center or an actual center. There’s just not enough tape on him. The sad thing is that in this draft, he’s the best bet for an actual center there is.

by riversmccown on May 21, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is he the best bet for a legit center?

Because he’s 6’10"?

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a legit 6' 11.25"

3rd tallest of all likely draftees (the first 2 are 2nd rounders)

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

To echo a comparison you made earlier...

Some players — you used LaMarcus Aldridge — are tall enough to play center, but don’t necessarily fit the bill. I place Kanter in that same category.

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by Tom Martin on May 21, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I've been trying to say.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right on Kanter - the upside is Scola with better post D and the ability to play center against weak centers.

That’s very valuable, but its not a franchise player.

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by Xiane on May 23, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, we're talking about Kanter at the freakin' Nike Hoops Summit.

He looks like a center at the Nike Hoops Summit, I’ll give you that. Funny that you’re high on both Kanter and Biyombo, whose only tape is from… the Nike Hoops Summit. I’d prefer to see him against proven collegiate players or even overseas as opposed to high schoolers.

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by Tom Martin on May 20, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 20, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not your fault, by the way.

Just tougher for me to get hyped up about them in trying to project them for the NBA.

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by Tom Martin on May 20, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well that's not even true

I’ve been working/interning for a company that consults a number of NBA teams on Euro prospects for a number of years and have gotten to see both of these guys in a number of settings. You’re critique of Biyombo as risky because he’s playing in Europe is just not fair to me. He’s not some guy playing five minutes a game in some far away Czechoslovakian league, he’s playing big minutes in the second best league in the world. While playing in the second best league in the world, he’s leading the league in blocks per minute, he’s third in the league in rebounding per minute, and he has a very solid point output in his playing time.

On a per-40 scale, he’s putting up 15, 12, and 5.4 while playing against competition that is far superior to Tristan Thompson or any other domestic prospect’s competition because he’s in the ACB. I’ve gotten to watch him play in 8 of the 14 games he appeared in this season and he was damn impressive. Take him 8 feet from the basket and he can’t score, but yes he has a nice touch around the rim. He’s not hitting fadeaway jumpers from the baseline, but he makes solid finishes in traffic consistently, he’s no Jared Jeffries.

I’m not saying that I’m Chad Ford or Givony, but I’ve seen these guys a lot and I like them. It’s just my opinion.

by Patrick Harrel on May 20, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

Per-40 is a weird scale to use, as I hope Bismack will not have to play a full 40 minutes for anyone very often.

I’m not doubting Biyombo’s finishing ability – I’m just wondering if he makes sense for Houston given the fact that he isn’t a true, 6’11 to 7’0 center. And, in any case, while the ACB might be the second-best league in the world, it’s a different league, a different brand of ball. One has to take that into effect when projecting these guys. It’s why a number of foreign players have been poor fits in the NBA.

Now, despite all of this, sure, I agree with the sentiment that Biyombo should be a lottery pick. I just don’t see a point in trading up to get him.

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by Tom Martin on May 20, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's just unfair to use his per game stats since he's playing on a team full of pro's

Your concern of a somewhat one-dimensional power forward’s role on the team is certainly worthwhile, but I think he has potential to play center in the NBA. He’d be giving up 2 to 3 inches nightly, but he has a freakish wingspan and tremendous athleticism. As you’ve said (I hope I’m not confusing you for someone else), if you can defend your position you can play there. He certainly can block shots like we need and I think Biyombo can defend nearly any center in the league, even if you he is best suited for a spot at the power forward position. To me, you have to draft and accumulate the top talent you can find, and Biyombo would be worth the cost of trading up IMO.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying Biyombo is a power forward

And yes, that was me saying that position stems from defense. I still believe that to be true, but I think he Rockets need a little more size than what Biyombo brings. We can agree to disagree from there, I think.

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by Tom Martin on May 21, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on Biyombo Patrick

He does give up a few inches but so does Chuck, at least Biyombo will be able to block some shots. Also Scola came from the Spanish league and he did just fine so I think if a person is playing at a high level over there there is a good chance the player can be successful in the NBA.

Im curious what does your company think about Kanter?

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 23, 2011 5:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't speak for my "company"

All I do is submit scouting reports to an agency who relays them around to various European teams so I’m mostly watching players who aren’t on NBA radars, but I’ve gotten to see Kanter play a little bit (though it’s usually been on tape). For one, people who say that he’s not athletic are simply wrong. He may not be Dwight Howard athletic, but he has all the NBA level athletic qualities a center must have. He’s got a great inside game paired with a nice jump shot. To me, the only question mark is his size. He’s a legit 6’11", but he doesn’t have a huge wingspan and won’t block a ton of shots. He’s decent defensively, but he doesn’t block shots which might scare some away.

by Patrick Harrel on May 24, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Biyombo’s leading the league in blocks per minute

He’s leading in blocks at 2.3 per game and the next guy’s at 1.7 (he’s also leading in b/40).

by willieboyd on May 21, 2011 4:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we're talking Hoops Summit, then lets get Lucas Bebe.

I maintain he’s the only center who has a chance to be a star, though you’re going to have to wait while he develops.

This is not the Rockets strategy, as they’ve been more in the early “Baseball Prospectus” mold of “college players offer more bang for the buck” because they’re more developed and you’ll control their contract rights cheaply over their prime. This is all true, but there aren’t many superstars there.

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by Xiane on May 23, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've stated once (maybe)

Id like Harris at the 14 spot and Benson (from Oakland) with the 23rd pick. Everything you’ve stated about him is the reason why Im one of the very few on that wagon. He’s 6’8 (in shoes, but every player is in shoes) has a decent shot from anywhere on the floor and can play some decent defense. He’s an all-around player, just not a GREAT all-around player and there arent any in the draft. The Rockets dont need to burn the 14th pick on another PF when Hayes, Scola, Hill, and PPat already have that area covered

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by fanoflosingteams on May 21, 2011 12:11 AM CDT reply actions  

I pretty much just leave it to the front office...

Because they have proven time and time again that they know their stuff when it comes to the draft. And they certainly know a hell of a lot more about players than I do.

That said, I am hoping to see moving up the draft in general. Given that no one seems to like this draft, it seems like the perfect year to do so. The Rockets just don’t really have the roster space for more rookies, and consolidating their roster really is necessary to maximize the value of our picks. But as far as players go, I just leave it up to Morey and his staff.

by baubo on May 21, 2011 1:45 AM CDT reply actions  

# 10...

I totally disagree with. Other than the teams with elite point guards (Chicago, New Orleans, New Jersey) we have as good a PG situation as any. Don’t forget, Kyle outplayed Paul the last time we played NO at home.

As for the #23 pick, 2 words: Jeremy Tyler!

by cnyroxfan on May 21, 2011 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

what a great write up

And I agree with everything mentioned. Anything you want and hope from Biyombo, you arguably have it already with Hasheem. No they aren’t the same player but you can’t fill a roster and cap space with several young raw big men. Also, the small forward situation…. its a deep draft. You have offensive and defensive minded guys. Besides C, its our highest need, and its not a deep draft for C. I am not a huge fan of drafting just for need. But when best player available+ need+value all come together, its a great thing. Singleton is my guy at 14 if they decide to stay there. Like you mentioned, he’s got an NBA body and that blue collar attitude. Besides a potential lock down defender, he can finish at the rim, slash/move without the ball, and has a jumper that’s decent but can become great. He’s the kind you would like to make a company man.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 21, 2011 10:10 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

What's the harm in having two legitimate shot blockers?

You say Biyombo is raw, and I disagree. He’s only raw offensively. His defensive fundamentals are sound, he blocks shots at a very high rate, and he throws it down whenever he gets a chance to.

The difference between the two players is that Thabeet’s fundamentals while playing within the team defense aren’t as good as Biyombo’s. Thabeet just needs to learn the basics, then he’ll be good to go.

Biyombo is already good to go IMO. Big deal if he doesn’t have an offensive game. We need a defensive guy like him, and he’s ready on the defensive end.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

thats all true

But is he going to be a starter at in the NBA at 18 or 16 or however old he is? If he’s not, which is for certain, then the other centers on the team would be miller and thabeet. Again, not NBA starting centers. So on top of that, you’re going to have to sign a free agent probably at least million per to be the starter. That’s 4 roster spots and 20 million tied into one position. I think our front office used their" young, raw, big man" card at last years deadline when they bailed out Memphis and took Hasheem. If you even think Biyombo should be considered you’re pretty much offering that thabeet is well…. im not going to say it.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 21, 2011 11:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

*7 million

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 21, 2011 11:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You can't tell me that next season, you'd want Bismack Biyombo to be our starting center.

Sorry, I have to go laugh for a few minutes.

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by Tom Martin on May 21, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ya he's not close to being ready to start I'll give you that...

But outside of Irving, Williams, Kanter, and maybe Walker, I don’t think there’s a single prospect that should be starting out of the gate his rookie year.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

James Singleton looks pretty ready to me.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only on a team that is weak at that position

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 21, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

We are technically weak at SF.

Bud’s not the long term answer, unless he can repeat the same success he had last year.

While T-Will may have a high ceiling, he’s not proven.

Singleton is already a good defender and slasher. This doesn’t mean he should start, but he should be ready to contribute from the bench at the very least.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

I think we would benefit from going Euro though. I just think the ones in this draft will have better careers than most the NCAA guys. Donatas Motiejunas is an interesting guy at 14 IMO.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 21, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Donatas reminds me a little of Bargnani

In other words, DO NOT WANT.

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by Tom Martin on May 21, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only Euros I'd take at 14

Aren’t going to be there (Vesely, Valanciunas, Kanter, and Biyombo). Donatas is Bargnani-lite, he’s even skinnier than Bargnani and cares less. Not worth a top 15 pick, even in this draft.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd place Biyombo over Kanter and Vesely.

Mainly because we do not need guys like Kanter or Vesely.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't

Vesely would be a better fit to me than Biyombo, and Kanter is just infinitely more talented than Biyombo at this point. Biyombo may have the higher upside, but Kanter is definitely the better prospect because of the certainty involved.

Vesely would be an ideal fit as a guy who could be a long term option to be a potential game changer at the 3 going forward. I think he’s as athletic as Williams and could be the best athlete in the draft. He’s also just nasty when he dunks on guys. I’d love him.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You aren't following me.

Biyombo fits our needs better than Kanter or Vesely do.

If coached up properly, Biyombo can be a hell of a defender and shot blocker. that’s what we need. Kanter is going to be an offensive PF, and that’s something we do not need. Same thing goes for Vesely.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vesely is a SF, by the way.

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by Tom Martin on May 21, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know.

I meant Vesely would be an offensive type of player.

Not both ways like Singleton could be.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm also a Vesely fan. He'd be a stark contrast from going in the Leonard/Singleton direction, but...

He has a chance to be very good. Sort of like Gallinari but with a little less pop from the outside.

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by Tom Martin on May 21, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

What choices do we really have?

I think he may be best available at 14 that’s why I made that statement. I think in the right system with the right players for him to compliment he would look good.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 21, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's the 14th best prospect in the draft

I’d take Leonard, Thompson, Chris Singleton, Tobias Harris, and probably Jordan Hamilton before I took him. There are plenty of guys better than him that should be available at the 14 spot. If he lasts to 23, then I say go for it, he’d be good value there.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Motiejunas has been moved around from the top ten to the teens.

He’s a PF. I don’t like him for us at all.

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by Tom Martin on May 21, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I would not mind him at 23, I guess.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean Chris...

And no, he’s not ready to start just yet. Needs fine-tuning on offense to stay in the game.

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by Tom Martin on May 21, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm meaning ready to contribute.

Must be mixing my words up.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

When did I say he would start for us?

I think he can come off the bench and contribute.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

With the current roster

and a solid bench I just can’t see the need for the twenty- third pick. I think that player will only turn into another Jermaine Taylor, in that he won’t get any minutes, and turns into a wasted pick. Yes our only holes are at center and the three so i think we should try to trade this pick and our fourteenth pick to move up to be able to get the best three in the draft. If we can’t get the best three, we should not settle for anything less then the second best three. What are the plans for center, will we get one through free agency, are is Hayes still there choice at center, with Yao the backup. If not Hayes and we get a true center to come in and start, then we have a log jam at power forward with Hayes,Scola, and Patterson. I know the hire of the next coach and his style of play may answer some of my questions, but this is why I dont see the need for the 23rd pick.

by since86rocketsfan on May 21, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

In relation to the idea of Scola getting moved and the Morris twins, timing is everything.

I admit, I don’t know a lot about collegiate basketball. What I DO know is Morey has promised a lot of changes and the roster/personnel moves we’re prone to make look far more like rebuilding moves rather than compete now moves. What I mean by this is anyone advocating Scola’s trade prior to this year’s trade deadline was hasty. With the coaching options we’re looking at and the current roster, I think it’s a safe assumption when you also factor in Scola’s knee injury.

I’m pinning my feeling on the draft that I truly think we’re going to go BPA and come away with a point guard, a small forward, and a Euro to stash away if we don’t move out of this draft.

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by BD34 on May 21, 2011 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't imagine that we take a PG with our first pick

Reggie Jackson might be available when we pick second, but I don’t think we’ll go that way. I’d expect Morey to do some dealing to either move up or get future picks because we have a pretty full roster already and this year’s draft is bad.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't specify where the picks occur.

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by BD34 on May 21, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gotcha

I just don’t see us drafting three players in the end, even if one is a stash-pick. We already have guaranteed money going to 11 players, and that doesn’t include Yao or Chuck (at least Chuck should be brought back). If we bring Chuck back, and sign 2 draft picks, we’re already one away from the max, meaning we can only sign one free agent to fill the roster.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a shot in the dark:

Assuming we re-sign Chuck, which is likely, we will have 14 players on contract this season, which leaves us 1 spot(15 players is the max right?).

Cousin could be cut any time, so we woud have another spot.

Maybe we should just trade both of our first rounders and go after Biyombo or Valanciunas(would need to give up more to get him).

Another option is just trading out of this draft altogether. It’s a weak draft, and while we have some holes, there aren’t many impact players in this draft outside of the top 5, maybe top 7.

I ultimately trust Morey, but I fear that he may target Kanter, a guy we do not need.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Over at Y! Sports

It’s been reported that McHale is the clear front runner for the Rockets coaching job.

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 21, 2011 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Can you post a link before I slit my wrists?

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm about to commit suicide.

This cannot be happening.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a Yahoo report and nothing is definite.

Step back from the ledge.

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by BD34 on May 21, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, WOJ is a very reliable source.

Ask anyone, and they will tell you the same.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

So he's the front runner, that has no indication of inevitability.

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by BD34 on May 21, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Kevin McHale, the guy who torpedoed the T-Wolves franchise, is the frontrunner for your team's HC job,

it’s time to panic.

It’s not inevitable like you said, but like WOJ said, he is the frontrunner.

He was also the worst coach available when this search started.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

He torpedoed them in the front office, but as a coach, he wasn't as bad

His team was a joke. Kevin Ollie started 21 games, Bassy Telfair 43, and Brian Cardinal even added in 4 starts. The team was horrible, and there was nothing he could do about it.

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok,

you have a point there.

However, I do not trust his player evaluations.

If we hire him, I want Morey to have total control of the draft process. McHale has made some pretty bad picks.

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by bone31crusher on May 21, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could be wrong

But I just think without being in the interviews, it’s impossible to grade a coaching hire before waiting a few months into the season. If the Rockets look like the 2008-09 Timberwolves next year, I’ll be right with you. I just have to think that the Rockets are not complete jackasses when it comes to hiring a guy (last two hires were very good).

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're completely right on the player evaluations though

He had a good start to his career drafting Ray Allen and KG in 2 years, but since then the only draft pick to really pan out has been Kevin Love. He traded Brandon Roy for Randy Foye, drafted Rashad McCants and Corey Brewer, and also had the brilliant Joe Smith move…

by Patrick Harrel on May 21, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Nikola Vucevic?

His measurements were fantastic, he’s a talented, reasonably athletic big, and the rockets can probably pick him up with the 23rd pick.

Just a homer thought, but wondered if anyone thinks it has any merit.

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by USCLink on May 24, 2011 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I have never seen him play, but I've been interested in his scouting report for a while.

One thing that people probably dislike about him is that he’s another big who primarily plays below the rim. Adding him to Scola, Miller and Hayes just gives us more of the same.

DraftExpress: NBA exec: “If you were watching Enes Kanter or Nikola Vucevic for the 1st time yesterday, close your eyes and pick one of them from 10-20.”
2011-05-20 11:45:52

I’ve also been wondering WTF this quotes implies? Both of them are 10-20 range prospects so close your eyes (to ignore their lack of explosion?) and just pick one???

by willieboyd on May 24, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

USC ran their offense through him last year

Good defensive presence, decent outside shot, gorgeous hook shot.

He faced doubled and triple teams 75% of the time, but still managed to carry a pretty bad USC team into the NCAA tourney (where they lost to eventualy final four team VCU)

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by USCLink on May 24, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

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