The Rockets are a JOKE!!!
by scalito on May 23, 2011 11:39 PM CDT
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They are losing me as a fan. There is nothing to like about this current team. Darely Morey? What "genius" moves has he made? Accumulating assets for nothing. And next? McHale? You've got to be kidding me. We are stuck in 30-40 wins-a-year zone. Please DO NOT sign Yao Ming, although I love the guy. I will always stick with my Rockets but I'll spend much less time of my life watching this garbage!!!!!!!!!
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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on May 24, 2011 6:45 AM CDT reply actions
im not exactly from the same culture as u guys
but hell i love the underdog story of the rockets the last few seasons. might not have won them but most games are tight and interesting with things like kyle lowry having a nack for beatin the shot clock too much, the smallest center in the league getting a triple double, rookie PF showin great potential and quite a good mid range shot and thats just pickin a few favourites.
I don't feel the need to go all Scalito
and claim the Rockets are a joke…. But he may be on to something to a certain degree. Fact is all signs are leading to another couple mediocre seasons at best, maybe a playoff appearance, but maybe not. I’m excited to watch guys like Patterson develop so even a fair weather fan should hold interest. I will still go to the games either way.
While this ins’t the Lakers and we’re not going to be one of the highest spending franchises year in and year out, you can argue that the city deserves better. The franchise is rich in history and has had a lot of success and usually gets more media hype. I’m all about building championship teams with drafting and development and not just trading for and acquiring vets. But it’s time for Morey to prove he knows what he’s doing. Yeah the PP and Budinger draft picks were great, but anyone can draft role players. I think it’s time for this franchise to have an identity, groom company men, and build a championship caliber team like the Pistons did in the early 2000s. What has been claimed about the coaching search proves that the only constant, is more change.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
The roster gave it their best shot, injuries weren't Daryl's fault.
The team outperformed and he’s gotten great players without having a meaningful lottery pick.
If we’re going to have a couple mediocre seasons and maybe make the playoffs, what makes that any different than the last two years? People advocated the status quo of this exact same thing when Adelman was at the helm.
How can Morey prove he knows what he’s doing? He’s drafted intelligently, watched payroll, and has to rebuild the roster. He finally has some financial flexibility to do it and he still doesn’t have a meaningful lottery pick. If you’re saying a trade for a superstar will show Daryl knows what he’s doing then I must ask, are there roughly 2 GMs in the NBA that know what they’re doing? New Jersey acquired Williams and New York acquired Anthony, the only two superstar acquisitions. My question would be what does Daryl have to prove to you?
He’s in the process of doing what you propose. Had he done it earlier he would have received the same criticism because this fanbase wants everything done yesterday. If you want to talk about cities and what they deserve you should really watch it when there’s a Buffalo fan kicking around. Houston has two titles, a class act organization, and a hell of a lot to look forward to with this young team. Buffalo had success in the 90’s and heartbreak from its entry into the NFL.
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If i may nitpick
I’d say he’s been able to get good players, not great. He’s really been able to get great value the way he’s drafted and traded. And I’d also say that there are a lot of GM’s that have been able to get a superstar, not just trade for one. Which is something we are obviously lacking. It’s not all Morey’s fault, but the blame comes with the territory.
All that being said…Morey is a hell of a GM. This guy knows what he’s doing, and so does Les Alexander. I think too many people put the Rockets on this pedestal as a franchise…when in reality, The Dream and some really good teammates are what really pushed this franchise for a while. We can’t have expectations of going to the finals every year, we have to build it. Just my 2 cents
by twinkilling0303 on May 24, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
If I may tweak the picking a little bit for some clarification.
When it comes to other GMs getting a superstar, I’m talking acquisition. Pat Riley got his through player collusion but in the last few years it’s been primarily through draft, rather than trade, and we’ve never been in position to draft a star.
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We should lay off the meth.
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I think he needs to do something this year, maybe next month's draft
If Houston stays pat in the draft and picks a solid player at 14 like they did last year, then that’s great. But again, what is Daryl doing that 90% of other GMs can’t? I don’t think they will have a top 3 pick on their own anytime soon. The mediocre wheel will not be broken unless an impact player is acquired and there’s someone to build around. I offered the Piston’s regime, but a bunch of solid players winning a championship is extremely unique. The only one without a true star player to win it all in over 25 years. When it comes to getting that player,
Has he tried and failed? Yes
Has he put a ton of stock in this years draft? Yes
Is this year’s draft shitty? Yes
Should he be held accountable? Yes
If we’re sitting here May 24th 2012 in the same position without something to build around besides K Mart and role players, should he be fired? Yes
Like I said, this isn’t the Lakers, but it’s not the Clippers. Also, the coaching search process has left more to be desired. Not because of the generalized quality “McHale” but the conditions that may come with the job.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I don't see how he put everything into this year's draft.
Daryl has acquired several draft picks since he started here in Houston, not just this year’s draft. You’re overemphasizing a point that you can just bring up again next year.
Has he tried and failed on an impact player coming in? Certainly. Judging by last year’s two impact players being traded Daryl is one of 28 GMs that failed to land that impact guy.
What’s he doing that other GMs can’t? He’s kept the team in good shape despite major salary issues, injury problems, and trade minimally to get a viable product on the floor. It’s not his fault a player isn’t handed away. He’s going the player development route because our answers may be internal and it’s not like Adelman was going to bother to find out. If this results in a higher draft pick, so be it. If it results in the development of Thabeet into a mainstay big man and Williams into a damn near franchise player, you’ll be singing his praises.
As far as what he has to do, does he need to pick up Dwight Howard? Where is your expectation? We’re a rebuilding team and certain guys aren’t available. You’ll hold it against him if certain guys aren’t available but if someone overpays for a guy (trade-wise) you’ll hold it against Daryl for not getting him either. So where can he actually make you happy? Nowhere.
As for the coaching statements, that’s entirely speculative and I’ll make you a tin foil hat if you’d like.
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My expectation is a young franchise player
Forget about Carmelo, Bosh and Deron Williams. I’m talking about Favors, Cousins, Love, even Speights. Is it Adelman’s fault they aren’t picking in the top 10? Absolutely not, he did his job. When he signed Scola last year, the next day he was trying to trade him. Remember, just as you can praise him for moves he’s made, you can knock him for moves that haven’t been made. Where can he make me happy? A young guy with tons of potential. Last year he tried to move up, failed. This year he will likely do the same, what if he fails again? We’ve got 3 picks this summer, unfortunately there’s not 19 roster spots. At what point are you going to blame this guy for not getting it done. You offered Riley and collusion, I don’t care about Bosh and all that, I want a young franchise player. And with 3-4 teams mentioning how they may want veteran help, to me, this summer’s draft-next February’s deadline is his last straw. No, these type of players aren’t handed over, but sometimes you have to not be so cheap and actually pile up some future picks. You said you were a Buffalo fan right? Pete Carroll, Dick Juaron… All about production and accountability. He acquired Courtney Lee, awesome! He drafted Patterson and Budinger, awesome! You can do that all you want, but you’re not going to break that mediocre wheel.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
You make it sound like these young franchise players are easy to deliver outside of drafting them yourself.
It took Derrick Williams for Utah to land Derrick Favors. Cousins and Love were drafted, and you’re huffing glue if you think Speights is a franchise player.
He wisely kept shopping Scola after the trade deadline because you have to hedge against Yao’s return because history wasn’t favorable. As far as your claim he can be knocked for trades he doesn’t make, you have nothing but speculation and random reports about trades that didn’t get done and you’re not there at the negotiation table. I’m sure Lebron James and Dwight Howard are available if you’re willing to trade 95% of your roster but no GM does that, can we argue that all GMs are therefore bad because they don’t make those trades?
You’re faulting Daryl for everything left and right that he can’t control. When it comes to our picks, the second rounder isn’t a guaranteed contract and Cousins and Blakely can be cut free of charge and they do not factor in to our long term plans, so they’re gone. You can attempt to mislead to prove a point but you’re going to need to do it against worse competition than me.
As far as being a Buffalo fan, the moment you said Dick Jauron was the moment that you showed me you know nothing of what the city and fan base has endured. You say Houston deserves better. Buffalo has endured one heart breaker of a Super Bowl, three beat downs, the Music City Miracle, and no relevance at all in the 2000’s. The city lives and dies with the Bills and the Sabers and the Sabers are falling flat at the finish line too. The good people of Buffalo “deserve better” the people of Houston complaining about the Rockets are spoiled and don’t know how well they’ve had it for so long.
Whose fault should it lay on? It’s Daryl’s job to provide players. It was Rick’s job to do what he can with those. It’s the player’s job to produce. You have three links in one chain. If Rick can only get his squad to play half a year, he had to go. If the talent is poor, Daryl has to go. If the players can’t produce, they have to go. They’re so intertwined that if you’re to fault one it invariably brings in another party.
You’re expecting Daryl to conjure magic out of nowhere and using speculation and outside reports to deride him. You’re giving him absolutely no room to do anything and crucifying him for your lack of flexibility.
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Nope, you can't have it both ways...
As far as Daryl, what has been his motto for the last 2 years? Acquiring that franchise player to build around. I’m sorry, Terrence fucking Williams isn’t that guy. I like him and he’s probably going to be a nice player, but you’re not going to build around him, sorry it’s just a fact. You can blame Rick and you can blame Yao, but it’s not all on them.
a). Morey is the parent and Rick is the teenager, it’s not the other way. There was was limited communication between the two, and if Rick is doing something Morey didn’t like, it’s on Daryl to acknowledge it. Rick did his job, tried to win. If Daryl wanted the youngsters to play, it’s fucking on him! if a teenager is doing someonthing the parent doesn’t like, isn’t it the parent’s responsibilty to interact?
b)Who ultimately hired the health professionals who deemed Yao ok to play 24 minutes and not back-to-backs? You can come up with all the excuses in the world, but the mediocre wheel we are in and probably will be is on Daryl. Do I have faith he can do something big in the draft or a trade, absolutely, but the “excuses” are running out. You are letting a personal liking of the guy get in the way of… “wow, what has this team actually accomplished the last 4 seasons and are we going to be a Championship caliber team in 2 seasons?”
And as far as Jauron, that’s my exact point. How many seasons/opportunities is someone going to have. At some point it’s about production, actually follwing through. Right now with the Rockets, it’s not even that, it’s finding an identity and more in particular what are you going to build around.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
I really doubt you have the capacity to actually have a conversation about this stuff.
You say I can’t have something both ways, don’t ever clarify what it is, right? Daryl has tried, is it his fault if no one is buying what he’s selling or better offers are out there? You play the hand you’re dealt and he’s had to discard and draw so many times it’s not even funny. Unfortunately, you’d like to bury him for the job he’s had to do with several restrictions.
A.) Daryl never wanted a yes man as a coach but he supplied Rick with a plethora of young players to work with. Rick chose not to use them. If I give you a saw and your leg is in a shackle, guess what I’m telling you to do? Rick wound up tapping on the saw to make music.
B.) Who hired the health professionals? Leslie Alexander did. But that doesn’t help your case to acknowledge truth of the matter.
I’m not letting personal liking get in my way of anything, I’m letting common sense get in the way of agreeing with you.
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to put it simply.....
Its not like houston is a place you can’t win at. There’s only about 5 franchises who should be better because of demographics, and 2 of those chicago and new York sucked for a long time until now. There’s a great arena, an unbelievable tv deal, an owner who spends, and the 4th most populated city. Add to that a franchise that’s rich in history and over the last 20 years have been to the post season more often than not. You continue to make excuses for him and fault me for holding him accountable. Well how many more years are we going to hear, “our goal is to get a star to build around?” He is the fall guy. And when I say you can’t have it to ways, I mean you can’t fault a hof coach for looking out for #1, when there’s no guarantee with a future in the organization. You said they over-chived, but then you blame him for giving veterans more minutes. We can agree to disagree, but this is a capable franchise stuck in mediocrity. There’s no arguing, its a fact. And the whole patience thing is bullshit, he’s entering his 5th year. I think being a bills fan has given you the whole" it takes time" idea, and bfore you know it 4 years turn into 7. As far as im concerned, im not going to go all Solomon on him, but its time for actions and not just words.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
by jake_471 on May 24, 2011 9:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you only look at it in a "you're pregnant or your not" way then you're 100% right
What you conveniently ignore, however, are the restraints Daryl had when he got here. This might also shock you but history isn’t going to win you a title. The coach was hot but he’s got a history of getting dismissed for lack of ability to go with youth when the organization is going with it.
I can’t continue a conversation with you because you don’t have your head wrapped around any of the basic concepts and want everything done yesterday and assume that history translates to wins now. You want him to get a franchise player but you dread “Losing to win” to do it. You knock Daryl for not getting a young franchise player when he hasn’t been in position to get one. You ignore the very basics of how trades work as though every trade out there is one Daryl can clear by the league himself for both sides. You treat Adelman like he’s some golden calf and you ignore the financial restraints and draft position of this franchise just to criticize Morey. You won’t look at it rationally so there’s no reasoning there at all.
As a Bills fan I understand it takes a cleared out financial situation, a couple years of evaluation, player development, and patience to pan out. Gailey and Nix are on the right path now. Morey just now has the financial flexibility, he got none of the player development he needed, and he now needs patience to shape the roster through draft, free agency, and trade now that he has something to work with. You expected him to turn rat urine into wine and he delivered us to the second round with his player personnel moves, yet you would still hold Morey as a fall guy because he parted with a coach you liked who wasn’t doing what this franchise was looking to do. You’re bitter, you’re bias, and it’s made you insufferable.
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by BD34 on May 24, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
putting words in my mouth...
First of all I’ve said several times that I would not mind a 20 win season. I begged that if finch is your guy, hire him. What’s the worst that could happen? Also I believe it was right to part ways with rick, and it was right for rick to do the same with the organization. A mutual divorce if you will. Im also not the guy bitching about going 1-7 against Dal and SA AND pissed about some players minutes. I’ve given credit where its due, he’s done some nice things. But right now, more of an argument can be made for this franchise not having an identity. If you want to develop the players you have, don’t come out every week in your radio show and say the goal is acquiring a star. You say the future is Hasheem and twill, and I think you’re wrong. If he cannot move up in the draft, I think they are going to trade for a player like Iggy and re-sign yao…. anything but develop youngsters.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
by jake_471 on May 24, 2011 11:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Go back to Clutchfans.
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by Barragan on May 24, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
I really don't understand this mindset.
Clutchfans has so many good Rocket links it’s a shame to dismiss it.
They have some great posters there (clutch, bimathug, etc.) just like we do here (Xiane, Patrick, etc.). And conversely, they have their share of fools over there just like we do here.
I prefer this site because the board format makes discussions easier to follow, but with a self-regulated filtering system each site offers lots of good stuff.
Look at our fan confidence poll.
It seems more likely than not that it’s reflective of a Cltuch Fans mentality. Watch the ebb and flow of it. As soon as one thing goes wrong or some slightly negative news comes out, it’s meltdown mode. THAT’S where the mindset comes from.
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Maybe you could propose something of substance?
“Don’t sign Yao” isn’t really an option, as it’s going to happen. And if you say trade T-Will for LeBron, then a certain hammer of banning might make an appearance.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Your forgetting the most obvious option
Trade Hasheem Thabeet for Dwight Howard!
by Patrick Harrel on May 24, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I am just glad we did not trade courntey lee to chi this year.
what where they trying to give us this year pick? I will always be a Rockets fan good or bad times. Whats crazy is i live in a city with expectations are really high for their team (spurs). These folks will kill you if you talk bad about their team. Anyways i can recall a time where we thought Morey Jedi fucked the knicks GM, and now look at us. Knicks got two superstars and clutch PG. One thing that really pissed me off is how orlando was able to keep Gortat when we did all that stuff to get him here, for them to just trade his ass to the suns. I for one think that Yao can still come back and be still good.
So boring too
Ho hum another trade to fill previous holes while getting rid of waste. God that guy just does the same crap over and over again! I just hate him!
I hate him I hate him I hate him!
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 27, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
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