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But What If McHale *Succeeds*, Mr. Solomon?

For a guy named "Solomon", Jerome is rapidly devolving from a thoughtful and witty journalist to a one-note hack job.  Considering this city is already subjected to Richard Justice, it's almost too much to handle.  Today's diatribe is yet another attempted hatchet job on Daryl Morey - albeit one disguised as a column on the hiring of Kevin McHale.

First things first, I am not a fan of the McHale hiring.  I wanted Mario Elie.  Even Dwane Casey would have struck me as a more inspired hiring.  Nevertheless, McHale did fit my criteria - he's not a re-tread, he's highly respected by other players around the NBA, and he is someone who obviously gets along with our GM.  Solomon, however, is taking the collective public "huh?" that has been uttered in response to the McHale hiring news... and he's run with it.  It's rather shameful.

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[Edit from Tom: What follows is even more shameful purely from the standpoint that Solomon supported the McHale hire just two days earlier. Okay, now keep going.]

To save you all a lot of time, here's the money quote from today:

But Morey is staking his future as Rockets general manager on it. If McHale, 53, fails, Morey should be job hunting along with him.

This is not exactly the kind of forward-thinking "split the baby" wisdom we should expect from our local journalists.  It's conclusory, pessimistic and an unnecessary cheap shot.  This should be a time for relentless optimism and support of the Rockets.  They finally are out from under the McGrady/Yao salary cap mess.  They have a lot of young, athletic talent at their disposal - be it for actual use on the court or as trade bait.  The Rockets have an owner who wants nothing more than to win championships and an MIT educated general manager who has adapted quite nicely to the role in a short amount of time.  The pieces are in place.

I ask of you, Jerome, name one player that Morey traded away that had a better career after the Rockets traded him away.  The only possible answer is "Nicolas Batum" but he was an unknown and as an asset he brought us an unforgettable season of Crazy Pills.  Can't fault Morey for that.  And yet...

Alexander has put his franchise in the hands of Morey and allowed his GM to make all the player-personnel decisions and set the tone for coaching hires. The personnel choices have been hit-and-miss, but mostly hit.

Uhhhh, what?  So you admit that most of Morey's transactions have been favorable to the Rockets, and yet the current mess is still his fault?  I think by now we can all agree that you do not win rings without an elite player.  Morey is doing everything he can to acquire an elite player.  Everything.  Solomon sounds like some of our old commenters who would constantly suggest we trade Yao straight-up for LeBron........ as if it were just as simple as that.  But he does not stop there:

Alexander didn't go out and hire McHale. This is on Morey.

Morey underestimated the need for size on a team. He overestimated the ability of Yao Ming to stay healthy.

He underestimated the need for players to feel wanted. He overestimated how excited Adelman would be about his new-school approach.

He underestimated Tracy McGrady's and Trevor Ariza's lack of toughness and overestimated the desire for star players to relocate to Houston and the value of the Rockets' assets to other NBA teams.

Yao and McGrady were thrust upon him.  Blame Carroll Dawson if you must blame someone.  Trevor Ariza was a solid signing.... and he netted us Courtney Lee in the end.  If you want to take a cross-sectional approach to your analysis, that's fine, but it just exposes how much Jerome needs to spin the facts.  Morey has been on the job for four years... and the Rockets have improved the salary cap mess and he's stockpiled player assets that are the envy of the rest of the league.  We only lack a Durant, LeBron, Rose or Howard.  But the GMs that acquired each of those players will readily admit to being lucky there.  If Morey could hoodwink another team to acquire an elite player, he would.  All the evidence suggests he is more than capable of moving assets in a manner favorable to the Rockets.

Solomon, however, continues to deal in hypotheticals that have no foundation in fact or recent history.

I implore you, Jerome Solomon - just stop.  Please return to being the insightful and interesting columnist you were before the Houston Chronicle hired you as a full-time staffer.  Your one-man protest against Daryl Morey is nonsensical and makes you look petty and jealous.  You should be above writing drivel like this.

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The last line kills it for me.

I can’t say if this team is in full rebuilding mode or is simply trying to re-load behind the scenes, but Solomon made it sound like this would be a failure if the Rockets didn’t return to the playoffs in the next two seasons. For me, if we are rebuilding, that’s a little counter-productive – or at least picky – no?

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by Tom Martin on May 28, 2011 7:38 AM CDT reply actions  

rec'd

On the kubiak thing

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by ShookednShanghaied11 on May 28, 2011 5:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good post Dave.

I’m not sure what Morey did to Solomon, but it’s basically been one hatchet job after another for a while now.

Since Morey hasn’t made a generational talent materialize in Houston he’s awful. The main complaint I have is not having anything resembling Yao insurance on the court.

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by Xiane on May 29, 2011 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um...

Brad Miller would take offense to your last sentence :)

by Patrick Harrel on May 29, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has Daryl

Gained a little weight? Or is it just me?

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on May 28, 2011 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Can't hurt lol

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on May 30, 2011 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Jerome is wanting to have it both ways,

and in doing what he does he should know better. Praise him for some moves, and then throw him under the bus… Looks like no matter what Soloman doesn’t want to look like an idiot. I will give it two years. If after two seasons, this franchise is still mediocre at best with a bunch of nice role players, then Jerome is right. Morey should be looking for a new job just like McHale. It’s not like you can’t win in this city, and when I say win I mean stringing together 50 win seasons and giving it hell in the post season. There’s no reason this organization should be irrelevant for 4 years in a row (last 2, future 2).

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 28, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Overrating the talent alert.

A team with no center and on the rebuild should win 50 + games per season and make playoff noise? Fear the Washington Wizards!

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by BD34 on May 28, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

learn to read guy.....

I simply said that unlike most NBA organiztions, this is a city you can win at. I don’t expect a 50 win season this year, but in the next two there needs to be something extremely solid to build on. With the Heat and Thunder, there may only be 2 championship teams the next 4-5 years. And whe I say “win,” I used the term loosely. Meaning 50 win seasons with post season appearances.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 28, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do you propose I construe this statement:
“and when I say win I mean stringing together 50 win seasons and giving it hell in the post season.”

If you can find me a way to read that as “I don’t expect to win 50 games per season and make hell in the playoffs after I said this city should be able to win.” I will welcome your interpretation.

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by BD34 on May 28, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps if you read instead of skim....

When I made that comment, I think I clearly said right before that you can win in this city, unlike most others. Nowhere did I say that should be the expectation this upcoming season. In fact, I also clearly said that I will give this transition 2 full seasons.

I will give it two years. If after two seasons, this franchise is still mediocre at best with a bunch of nice role players, then Jerome is right. Morey should be looking for a new job just like McHale

If you interprete mediocre with 50 win seasons, that’s your fault, sorry.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 28, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't contradict yourself in the same post if you don't want it pointed out.

Don’t say “I expect nothing for two years but I expect a team in Houston to win 50+ games and make noise in the playoffs.”

Dividing by zero hurts us all.

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by BD34 on May 28, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see what you're trying to do here...

and it’s unfortunate because I stopped stooping to that level when I was about 3 or 4 years old. So all I can say is nice try, good luck, and have a nice one.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 28, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see what he's trying to do.

And he did it. His rebuttal makes sense. You are, in fact, contradicting yourself.

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by Tom Martin on May 28, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, I will give McHale/Morey 2 seasons

after that I will expect this franchise to be a mainstay in the playoffs. Unlike Minnesota, this is a place where you can win, hence the new signature. I’m sorry for wanting something more than mediocrity, how dare I do such a thing.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 28, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

For me since we basically decided to rebuild this season

I would give it 3-4 years to be honest. If we are still stuck then, I agree with you there needs to be a change. I just think 2 years after we decide to rebuild is too short. Just my opinion.

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 30, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what I mean is

That we should get an impact player we can build around in the next 3-4 years, not necessarily have a 50 win season.

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 30, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're saying that we need 3-4 more years and then be a contending team?

Given the last 2 mediocres, that’s 6 years of either rebuilding or mediocre at best. Morey must have some pictures of someone doing something, because most GMs shouldn’t be given and don’t receive that much time. And like I’ve said, we don’t have an impossible, hard to deal with owner.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 30, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

*6 straight years

I’m not going to count or hold against him the team he inherited. And Yao ming isn’t an excuse for the last 2 seasons in my opinion unlike most others. That’s like a manager of a failing company claiming his top salesman has been sick for 2 years. Ultimately, he’s the fall guy.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 30, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont agree about Yao the last 2 years

That is because at the end of the day the GM works for the owner, and although I do not have inside access to what is going on with the Rockets, it seems pretty clear to me that Les wants Yao on the team if not for his talent, then for his revenue impact and the general popularity of the team in China. At the end of the day, I think that Morey was stuck with Yao because of the owner, although I admit I do not have proof of that, it is just my conjecture since he was not traded away. If that is not true then your time line makes more sense than mine.

If that was the case however, then I believe we can give him 3-4 more years to land an impact guy, heck even a young guy we can build around like a Cousins or Curry. I believe that Morey can build a team around good players like he did with Yao, the big question is whether or not he can get the player we need who we can build around. At the end of the day Les is going to know if my senario is correct or if yours is and will act accordingly.

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 30, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Les wants Yao,

but moving forward….. In two years if we’re still right here in la la land with a bunch of nice young role players and without an impact player, he should get two more to get it done? Mind you, I’m not talking about an elite superstar. I’m talking about a Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay, someone who can win a game down the stretch. No, they aren’t handed over, but he’s failed the last few years and now he will have more resources with cap flexibility. I mean at some point… “Our goal is to acquire star player” and “We tried to move up in the draft” just isn’t going to cut. I think we can all agree that this is a results-based business right? No more words…. it’s time for actions.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 30, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get what you are saying

I am not talking about a Rudy Gay or J Johnson though, they are nice but I would not want them on the Rockets due to their salaries because they are way over paid in my opinion. I would not mind over paying for the right guy though. That is thing with Morey, he hasn’t been willing to overpay a player until he finds the right one and I am ok with that. I think he can pull it off, at least I hope he can…

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by Rockets4LIFE on May 31, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

The fact that I said you CAN win in this city

and this city is rebuilding were mutually exclusive to each other. It’s more of a shot at Morey for having no more excuses for being mediocre at best.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 28, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

"It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse?

Give me a break. The timberwolves went to the playoffs 8 years in a row before McHale fired Saunders and took over.

by Wu on May 28, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The sun shines on a dog's ass every once in a while

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 28, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good talk Russ

So you don’t see a distinction between “once in a while” and eight straight years?

by Wu on May 28, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right chief.....

Minnesota is an NBA juggernaut.
The Target Center is a dump
There’s no history, in fact they are known as the former home of the Lakers
They’ve had 10 coaches since 1989, which means their average coach is there slightly over 2 years. This isn’t counting Rambis probably getting canned soon
Last 6 years, their attendance has been 24th, 24th, 27th, 25th, 24th, 25th.
I could probably keep going, but I"ll be nice.
They did have a stretch with Flip and KG, but like I said, every once in a while. Player’s careers die in Minnesota more than anything.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 30, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

i’m not disagreeing with anything you just said. none of that has to do with the fact that you said eight straight years of making the playoffs is the same thing as “once in a while”… now go lay down by your dish.

by Wu on Jun 11, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

a team with no centers.....

If I had a dime for every time you endorsed Hill and Thabeet I could probably pay my light bill. It seem as though you are the one pulling the Soloman, wanting it both ways.

Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.

by jake_471 on May 28, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Derp. Adelman didn't play them for any noticeable or worthwhile time.

Derp. Taking things out of context. Nice try.

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by BD34 on May 28, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He never gave credit to DM for bringing in RA, who was here only because of T-Mac and Yao. SInce DM has taken over he has never had a draft choice higher than #14 and that was last year’s. PPat was a great pick. Losing TWO stars, and having no top ten draft choices sounds like DM was doing everything he could to help RA but it was time to make a choice and RA couldn’t handle it. It seems as if DM is trying to jump start the rebuilding process lacking only the star.
So McHale will get his shot. Solomon should get a grip and think out his motivation for writing the articles the way he does.

by mjdinhouston on Jun 1, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

You bring up a really good point, which I think gets lost here sometimes

Because we expected to have Tmac and Yao, he built up a solid supporting cast. When our stars got hurt, that supporting cast was still good enough to keep us out of a top 5 draft pick. It’s kind of unfair the hand he has been dealt, forcing to rebuild without ever truly getting the opportunity to.

by mr.manager on Jun 2, 2011 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am not a Solomon apologist

Mostly I entirely dislike what he writes. But, with respect to this particular column, I think he is on the right track. No one disputes that Morey inherited a mess, and has made the most of it.

For better or worse, the currently assembled crew is entirely Morey’s team. Morey also essentially ‘fired’ a very successful coach – Rick Adelman, and is searching for a new coach. So, with full control over the entire hiring of the players, and the coach, it is Morey’s show.

There is nothing wrong with local columnists demanding accountability for the actions. I think Morey himself would agree that results are important.

What Solomon is doing is explicitly stating what most people in the NBA implicitly know. When something is not working you have to make changes. Rockets are trying out a new philosophy in recruitment of players and coaches – that is entirely Morey’s. When you try a new strategy, you judge it, by the results it produces. That should be fine.

I tend to ignore the undertone of what Solomon’s writing and in this instance, the success or the failure of this ball club now entirely rests with Morey. Let us see how this plays out.

I would rather read Solomon, than Justice (who has to make obsequious remarks about Les Alexander). He is at least antogonistic and buy into the Rockets line all the time, and is a poor man’s Fran Blinebury (with lot less talent in writing).

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by Kari on May 28, 2011 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Morey himself would agree that results are important.

His mantra for the hire has been don’t judge the name, judge the results. If the Rockets future isn’t blindingly bright by the end of his contract summer 2013, I think he would agree he has not done his job.

by willieboyd on May 28, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

My problem with Solomon (and I used to like him a lot) is that most of the time it feels like he’s just being contrary. He sees that lots of people like Morey and goes overboard in trying to provide the voice of dissension.

by jack_ on May 30, 2011 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry can't buy it

Solomon has been running down the Rockets since DM got here. He wrote that nasty article about Toyota Center and the fans. Holding a team accountable sure, but they way he goes about it the wrong way. Selecting KM as head coach is not measurable by metrics. It is a decision based on factors not easily measurable. Ability to motivate players and develop players will be a huge factor. This is a young team that needs to be motivated, and coached to a level they have not yet reached. The other factor Solomon leaves out is the hiring of Finch as assistant coach. McHale has shown a knack for hiring good assistants and Solomon should be encouraging instead of threatening.

by mjdinhouston on Jun 1, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing is nobody knows the

outcome of this McHale hiring. If we go with his past, then it is likely he will not succeed. When we hired Aldeman we did not know how it would work out either, but atleast we knew he had prior success with Portland and Sac, and that he was considered a good coach. Even though he did not have the baketball career Mchale had on the court, he still was respected by nba players as well. And everyone is saying Morey finally got Yao and McGrady off the books, but when we came to training camp last year McGrady was not on the roster, so this will be his second year without McGrady’s contract. And with Yao even though he got hurt the last two years, we got exceptions from the league and Morey still could not do anything with them. I like the pickup up Lowry,Lee,Dragic,Pat,T. Will, and even Bud, but if Morey would of got us the star that he thought he could with all the trade exceptions, expiring contracts, and draft picks we have recently had would we even have to be in this rebuilding state, and be forced to hire McHale.What about jeramine Taylor that was a waste of millions to aquire him, as it has also been with the signing of Llull who we also paid millions for and will probaly never play for us. If this does not work out then Morey does deserve some of the blame, and depending on his future moves, could also deserve to be fired if McHale is. The last two coach’s Les hired were proven coaches with prior success,(taking teams to the finals) so this move is what Morey mainly wants. And everbody is saying rebuild, for someone who just recently started being a Rocket fan its ok, but someone who has been watching them for over 20 years it kind of hard to take. After we won the two titles we have have multiple rebuilding attempts with no real success.

by since86rocketsfan on May 28, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I have always giving him his

due credit, as i also did above, but even with all you said he has done, as a franchise we are coming off a season where we did not make the playoffs, where we just made a coaching change, and now rebuilding is the choice, so what have all the moves produced. I will say it for 100 time if we would of got a solid replacement for Yao after his injury, we would not even go down this road, we would be looking to maybe add that player to put us over the top to finally be able to make a good run. But instead of getting a big man we get a three in T Will who coach A never gave a chance. To me with all the moves that he has made we are not as far, we just need a couple good players to finally make a run, but with just this team we are not ready. And i say that to say to me this current team is not that bad to where rebuilding should be the choice. If they think they can’t bring in a good center and three, then I guess rebuilding is the choice, but i will just wait and see the outcome.

by since86rocketsfan on May 28, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Granted 2008 was not a good year

But consider he has never had a pick higher than #14 he has put some great talent on the floor. He had to fight and trade up to get that. He took the gamble on Ron Artest and it paid off unfortunately Yao got hurt again. It was difficult to attract talent with Yao being in limbo and the Rockets in limbo. Now with a coach the players like and respect and an obvious direction the Rockets will head to, a high profile FA might want to win his championship here. Last year we took the gamble on Yao, this year there are a bunch big men we could get that will play tough D and rebound. Depending on how the CBA works out, we good do well this year. Thabeet is a work in progress that may not work out. However the future is bright.

by mjdinhouston on Jun 1, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Salomon is trying for a gig in NYC

The media there is relentless and hypercritical. I mentioned during the Melodrama that once the Nicks got Anthony it would not take long before they started to rip him up in the media. That kind of “what have you done for me TODAY” attitude comes from the notion that the world ends at the GW bridge. Hey they pay the media a lot more in NYC so I hope Solomon gets a gig there. He has decided that sports in Houston suck and we need to be reminded of that regularly. The accuracy of his opinion non-withstanding, I can live without the reminders.

by makinmajik on May 28, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Solomon is just following his equation

(Find public position on something) + (Take opposite position) = Solomon article.

It has it’s hits and misses.

by riversmccown on May 28, 2011 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope it all works out but…

… being a hater of the Celtics like I am, I am not totally thrilled having a former Boston guy running the team.

I am sure I will get over that if the team becomes successful again…

I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...

by steeler-hater on May 28, 2011 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Sometimes, journalists just feel like writing in the moment.

They don’t always go to inside sources or conduct extensive research to formulate an insightful and well-crafted article.
In instances like this, they aren’t any different from other sports fans.
The only difference is when they get the urge to pontificate, they get paid for it.

by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on May 28, 2011 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

SOURCE:

Jerome Solomon is secretly a Utah Jazz fan. It was discovered when Solomon’s house was invaded by police for allegedly being a meth head. Solomon had a throw back Karl Malone Jersey and and bobble head doll in his room. He is expected to be on trial for possession of meth amphetamines and being a Jazz fan. He could be sentenced to life in prison. For more on this case ask Daryl Morey.

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 28, 2011 6:20 PM CDT reply actions  

The thing about Daryl Morey...

Isn’t he basically the NBA’s version of Billy Beane, GM of the Athletics. Famed for using higher math and statistics to find “diamonds in the rough” thus allowing a small market team to remain competitive in a league of rising salaries etc…

Problem with that logic is that when have the Athletics used their Moneyball tactics to actually WIN. Sure it’s smart, and competitive. But it has yet to prove successful.
Just like Beane, Morey has been successful at acquiring bargain talent, and developing them into NBA players (Landry,Brooks, Lowry, Scola etc.). But even he would say that you don’t win in this league without a superstar. Or sometimes two.

Morey’s a great doubles hitter. He needs to learn to swing for the fences.

by HalosfanTX on May 29, 2011 12:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think the comparison holds.

First of all, because of the salary cap and generally decent revenue base, Houston isn’t a small market team. Only the most well-funded NBA teams spend deep into the tax. Baseball is a spending free-for-all and Oakland has a low revenue base compared to most rivals. Houston’s signings look small market because of the McGrady/Yao salary cloud that only now, this upcoming season, has dispersed. Remember, Houston paid the highest paid player in the NBA for several years in TMac.

Second, Morey has been here a lot shorter time than Beane has been in Oakland. Morey and Beane’s main claim is to try to find value, not to adhere to any orthodoxy. Advanced stats are tools to find hidden value, to find truly effective players, nothing else.

Third, I ask this question again and again. If you HAD two superstars, as recently as two years ago, and they essentially vaporized, yet their salaries did not, what exactly are your options for signing another one?

If you aren’t bad enough to get the number 1 pick (and getting it brings its own different set of problems) what do you do? You take shots at undervalued assets that retain star potential. You try to add as much talent as you can. If the stars won’t sign here because they want to be superfriends, and there are very few guarantee franchise players in the draft (quick, name one in this year’s draft) what else is there?

Morey may have hit a lot of doubles, but if he’s seen a pitch he could take deep, let me know what it is. Seriously.

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by Xiane on May 29, 2011 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

But Beane has been successful

From 1999-2006, the A’s won 87, 91, 102, 103, 96, 91, 88 and 93 games. Sure, they haven’t been nearly as successful since, but that is still a ridiculous streak of success, especially given their lack of financial resources. Also, Beane’s strategy isn’t just about using statistics. Rather, he (as well as Morey) seek to find undervalued players in the market so they can exploit inefficiencies. When other baseball teams and GMs started catching on, the market became more efficient and it again became unfeasible for small market teams like the A’s to continue their success.

Anyway, that isn’t really Rockets related, but to say that the A’s weren’t successful, and that the use of advanced statistics doesn’t give an advantage or lead to winning is just wrong.

by mr.manager on May 30, 2011 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good point too.

If success is only defined by beating $200 million payrolls with $40 million payrolls, I guess he hasn’t been. If its putting quality teams on the field and winning games…

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by Xiane on May 30, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a die-hard Angels fan (the only pro team I care about as much as the Rockets) I’m sure the Athletics and Beane would trade all of those wins and “success” for our ‘02 WS rings. And this was before new ownership came in and opened up it’s pocketbooks. But I digress…

Ultimately, our GM is a guy who has claimed that we had the ability to acquire the “Carmelo’s” and “Chris Bosh’s” of the NBA. This hasn’t happened. And because of this, we haven’t acquired the “Chris Kaman’s” and “Andre Igoudala’s” of the league, instead, acquiring the Bonzi Wells, David Andersen’s, and Brad Miller’s of the league. This hasn’t been prudent, and he’s kinda responsible. Don’t get me wrong..he’s a genius at forcing team’s into a three-way trade with which he acquires future 2nd round draft picks (which he’ll use to draft Euro’s who won’t come over)…but will that be enough to make us a true contender?

by HalosfanTX on May 30, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, there’s many ways, much as I hate them, to define “success”. For example, both the Kansas City Royals and Los Angeles Clippers turn a profit nearly every year. Most pro sports teams don’t. Is that not “success”?

by HalosfanTX on May 30, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have only read up on this solomon guy after the last post about his comments

and don’t you think he is just trying to be a dickhead. He lives in the past a lot.

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by craigj007 on May 29, 2011 4:34 AM CDT reply actions  

"player assets that are the envy of the rest of the league."

  You’re really kidding, right? If the Rockets’ roster were really the envy of the league, don’t you think that teams would be lining up to trade for those assets? Why aren’t they offering great packages in return to get a piece of these assets?
  The Rockets have a couple of near All-Stars(Martin, Scola) and some good role players (Lowry, Lee, Budinger, Hayes). Why do Rocket fans continually overrate the players on this team? A major part of the reason that Morey’s been unable to make a trade for a top player is that other teams don’t believe these players are that valuable.

by Orange88 on May 29, 2011 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Everyone does it brah, not just the Rockets.

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by BD34 on May 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, my least favorite term - "role player"

Every player is a “role player”.

But Kyle Lowry’s play in the 2nd half was near top 5 for PG. Courney Lee played great D, hit 40% of his 3s. Imagine Chicago in the playoffs with Lee. I think they beat Miami, with Courtney Lee. What’s that worth.

The problem is not that the league doesn’t want the players, its that they won’t pay what Morey thinks they’re worth.

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by Xiane on May 30, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some roles

  are larger than others and you just agreed that Morey is also over-rating his roster. If all of the other teams in the league think your players are worth less than you do, then they are right and you are wrong.
  You can’t possibly believe that Courtney Lee puts the Bulls past the Heat. A guy who can’t start on a team that doesn’t make the playoffs will mean a three-game swing in the Conference Finals while matched up against Dwayne Wade?? That’s crazy.

by Orange88 on Jun 1, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

We only lack a Durant, LeBron, Rose or Howard. But the GMs that acquired each of those players will readily admit to being lucky there.

Durant was acquired by Seattle having the 4th worst record in the league (31-51).
Lebron was acquired by Cleveland with a tie for the worst record in the league (17-65).
Rose was acquired by Chicago having the 9th worst record in the league (33-49).
Howard was acquired by Orlando having the worst record in the league (21-61).

Only one of those examples stands out as being exceptionally lucky. I think the process for acquiring an elite talent in the NBA is pretty well-defined. That’s why I’m not optimistic with the “trade for an elite player” strategy the front office is pushing.

by willieboyd on May 29, 2011 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

In my mind, they all got super lucky.

Seattle got pretty lucky to get the second pick, and then having Portland pick Oden instead of Durant was even more luck.
Cleveland had a 22.5% chance of winning the lottery. They got pretty lucky also. Same with Orlando.
And Chicago, well that’s pretty obvious.

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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on May 29, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a cost to all that losing, btw.

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by Xiane on May 30, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree it's all about philosophy.

I was content with the low risk/low reward track of keeping Adelman and I understand why others prefer the high risk/high reward path (tanking, for lack of a better word).

The path we’re following now falls on the conservative side of the continuum (smallish trades and reclamation projects) with Les Alexander being the limiting factor.

Les, has the most to lose and arguably the least to gain by tanking. Morey on the other hand has the most to gain and the lest to lose.

by willieboyd on May 30, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part of it is being lucky enough to be bad at the RIGHT TIME. In the last 10 years, at least 4 of the number 1 picks haven’t been franchise changing stars (this may be 5 pending Wall’s next few years and 6 if you count Yao). If you want to go back even further, years 11-13 yielded Kenyon Martin, Elton Brand, and Michael Olowokandi.

Even having the worst record in the league is no guarantee of landing a high enough pick to get a real star even if one or more are there to pick. Before you push for us to tank, just remember that it might take a couple of years of horrible records before we get an opportunity to pick a star.

What if we only play bad enough (or are unlucky enough) for Morey to be in a position to land a second or third tier star? Does he pick them and hope that we continue sucking? Does he intentionally bomb picks if there isn’t a home-run to be hit?

Sure tanking may be the surest way to get a star. I would rather watch above average teams play and wait (and pray) for Morey to work a miracle than risk being mired in suckitude for more than a season or two.

by jack_ on May 30, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree about timing the #1 pick with talent, but the point still is you have to have a horrible season to even have a chance at getting "lucky".
I would rather watch above average teams play and wait (and pray) for Morey to work a miracle than risk being mired in suckitude for more than a season or two.

I agree with this 100% and was actually in favor of Adelman staying for this reason. I’m not against the "trade for an elite player" strategy, just not optimistic in it working.

The assets we have stockpiled are like five and one dollars bills (with a wallet that can only hold 15 bills) compared to the hundred dollar bills that are the Lebrons and Dwight Howards. We will never be able to trade for someone of that caliber unless we at least get a fifty or two (which also usually come with high draft picks) AND then a superstar then forces his way into Houston (like the Deron Williams trade).

I am more optimistic of winning without a true “superstar” like the Mavs have this year. They don’t have any key contributors obtained with a top 5 pick. And of course we always have the Pistons championship team as a model.

by willieboyd on May 30, 2011 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know why we can't just swallow our pride and agree to tank. Yes, we will still need luck and great scouting

but it still gets us the best chance to land that young super-talent who can develop into a franchise player.

Trading will only net us older players with less upside or great role players. As we all agree, we need to get our #1 superstar first.

by RoxBeliever on May 30, 2011 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

"I don't know why we can't just swallow our pride and agree to tank." Who is "we" and "our" here?

This decision can only be made by one man, Les Alexander. At best he’s committing to a year or two of decreased revenue, at worst he’s risking creating a culture of losing and sending his business/hobby into a tailspin.

Also he apparently feels we don’t need a superstar to contend.

“Definitely, the way our players are playing,” Alexander said of his hesitancy to make that sort of move. "Daryl and I always fight about this. It’s all give and take. I think our guys have shown they are capable of winning a championship if we add a couple pieces to them. I don’t want to give them away for some other player.
“We are young. (Patrick) Patterson. (Kyle) Lowry’s just 24. Chase (Budinger), Courtney (Lee) and Jordan Hill. You can go on and on and on. Chuck Hayes (28) is not that old. Yao (Ming) is only 31. There is no reason he can’t have five or six more years.”

Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/7495241.html#ixzz1Ntiqdq8s

by willieboyd on May 30, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

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