The Dream Shake Regular Season Awards: Most Valuable Player
It wasn't the regular season that many of us expected, but given the circumstances, an impressive late-season run and another near-playoff miss could serve to provide a sturdy foundation for the future. But now that it's over, it's time to hand out awards. In this case, you get to vote on who wins. We'll have a different award to hand out each day, so keep checking in. Feel free to discuss your reasoning for making a particular vote in the comments.
Previous Awards: Most Improved Player -- Most Impressive Victory -- Defensive Player of the Year -- Most Promising Future
We've come to the end of the awards train. So, who do you think was the Rockets' MVP this season?
This is a difficult question for me to answer, because there are two standout candidates -- Kevin Martin and Kyle Lowry -- and then a third candidate in Luis Scola whose stability and consistency simply can't be overlooked.
Perhaps in the voting we'll see a nod to the insane scoring ability of Martin. He had himself a fantastic year on the offensive end, putting together one of his most efficient seasons. No matter what one thinks of Martin on the defensive end, his scoring ability positively impacted the number one offense in basketball far more than his suspect defense negatively impacted the team's overall D. I'm still convinced that with a legitimate center under the basket, the Rockets could have finished with a top fifteen, if not top ten defense.
Or, on the other hand, perhaps the crowd will stick with the story, much in the way that the NBA writers did in choosing Derrick Rose as the league MVP. Rose wasn't the best player in the league this season, and while an argument can be made against Lowry as the Rockets' best player in 2010-2011 as well, each point guard had an it factor that seemingly determined his respective team's direction and success. As Lowry began to heat up, so too did the Rockets.
Finally, there is Scola, who has quietly become one of the league's most effective scorers in the post. One also can't help but notice that Scola played some of his best games against the league's quality teams.
I can't decide. You make the call.
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Gotta go with K-Low.
Without him, we wouldn’t have had that great second half.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
So I guess that was the only part of the season that counts
Right?
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
He didn't get to be the consistent starter until the second half of the season.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 8, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
?
He started 71 games. What the hell are you talking about?
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
AB was injured for a long time.
Some of those games don’t count.
Lowry got the keys to the team after AB was traded, and that was near the ASG.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 9, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh my God Bone
You have got to be kidding. This has to be your bias talking because you don’t/shouldn’t even believe what you just said? Lowry was clearly Adelman’s guy because once he got the start he never went back to the bench. You are out of your mind Bone. Anything no to give Martin a vote huh?
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
"Anything not to give Martin a vote huh?"
That’s the idea.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 9, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it's a dumb one.
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by Tom Martin on May 9, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So I've been told.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 9, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why
You won’t be taken seriously. It’s a shame.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Your sig is a reason why you won't be taken seriously.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 9, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That's funny.
You did the same on another post.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 10, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Kyle Lowry's sheer determination for me
While Martin and Scola were our consistent scorers, I felt the team went as Lowry played. A bad start to the season as Lowry struggled with game shape and early injury. We began to play better as Lowry gets the hang of the starting role.
Whenever I look back at this season, it will be marked by all those highlights of Lowry fighting to keep the Rockets from losing—buzzerbeaters, rebounds, loose balls, taking hard fouls, blocking Marc Gasol in one memorable sequence. Often he was the last one left fighting out there.
Easy vote, Kevin Martin.
Without Martin, regardless of Lowry’s emergence, we don’t win as many games as we did in the first half, then the rest of the team clicked and complimented him in the second half and still then, the guy was dropping 30+ points without going noticed at all.
TDS's resident dickhead.
How do you know we don't win that many games without Martin?
Lee had a terrific year.
Perhaps my biased hatred for Martin clouds my judgment, or my biased love for Lowry.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 8, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee had a terrific year but he was sparsely used and came on by about the midway point in the season as well.
The reason I say Martin was our reason for success is that in the first half of the season we won on what essentially was pure offense. Martin’s game, the reason for your hatred, is that it’s pure offense. He was the only consistent offensive game and he just outproduced whoever he was supposed to watch run past him for the game.
Lowry certainly came on and clicked this year in a big way but before him the big news was Kevin Martin ripping up the NBA again. This is from a guy who thinks we should trade Martin and keep focusing on rebuilding.
TDS's resident dickhead.
I agree with you on trading Martin.
However, I do not like him for two reasons:
1) The obvious one, he plays no defense.
2) He relies on the whistle for about a third, maybe even half of his points. The games where he didn’t get those touch fouls are the ones where he struggled to score. I’m just not a fan of that.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 8, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with your knocks on him.
So we’re on the same page. I just found him to be the MVP this season. Just means he was the strongest link in an admittedly weak chain.
TDS's resident dickhead.
On your second point
You might not be a fan of it, but it’s actually the easiest way to score. Easier than a Kobe isolation play, easier than a LeBron drive. It almost guarantees free throws, and Martin rarely misses.
Every great scorer gets to the free throw line. The fact that Martin does so without taking near the same number of shots as players such as Kobe or LeBron or Wade is amazing.
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Can you clarify for me something.
When you are fouled on a play do they count that as a shot attempt or no? I seem to think they don’t but I might just be borderline handicapped. If that’s the case, saying Martin does so without taking as many shots as Kobe, Lebron, or Wade, is misleading.
As far as the playstyle, it’s easier to score the way Martin does but it’s not as reliable in the playoffs (Whistles begin to evaporate) and frankly wouldn’t you rather have a guy on your squad who can score wherever/whenever rather than hope the refs bail them out?
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Not 100%
I believe it only counts as a shot if it is made but am not positive. As for what is preferable I think it would be foolish to say Kobe or Lebron would not be preferable (based on basketball skill) for how they score based on their insane ability to create their own opportunities. I think more the point is that Martin does a fantastic job of creating contact and drawing fouls which allows him to go to the line where he is killer. Fewer fouls may get called in the playoffs but that is across the board not just for Martin because he creates contact but that is ok because it isn’t like Martin can only score from the free throw line. The ability to draw fouls also has the added bonus of altering how opposing defenses play based on foul trouble which should not be overlooked. Again I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who prefers Martin to Kobe but when you start comparing Martin to say Paul Pierce it gets closer.
Yes, I'd rather have the independent scorer type. The fact that we're even comparing Martin with James or Wade or Bryant instead of just laughing is indicative of something, no?
I’d rather us not undervalue Martin while we look for one of those dynamite scorer types. Also, it’s not misleading if Martin actually makes those free throw shots. He’s also lethal from behind the three point line.
This, in effect, is the argument behind true shooting percentage. Martin is one of the best in that category – among players with a usage of 27 or higher, he rates third. That puts him above James, Bryant AND Wade. Does this means he is better than them? Absolutely not. But the fact that he ranks better than those three in particular categories of interests says a lot.
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by Tom Martin on May 8, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like BD said,
touch fouls aren’t called in the playoffs.
We are rebuilding right now, so I would love for us to trade Scola and Martin, but that’s not likely to happen, mainly because of their contracts.
When we are a playoff team maybe 2 to 3 years down the road, I don’t want Martin on the team, mainly because he won’t be an effective scorer in the playoffs. If he doesn’t score, he doesn’t contribute in any other way. Those touch fouls are not going to be called in the playoffs, ever.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 8, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's keep Martin in perspective. We can't talk about his performances in the playoffs, since he has never played a playoff series in his prime.
Also…
Touch fouls ARE called in the playoffs, if you’ve watched these playoffs at least. They may not be called with the game on the line, but we’ve already established that the end of the game isn’t exactly Martin’s forte (even though his shooting percentages remain high in the closing minutes).
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by Tom Martin on May 8, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which is kinda the point about Martin...
“Let’s keep Martin in perspective. We can’t talk about his performances in the playoffs, since he has never played a playoff series in his prime.”
You cannot say that about Wade,LeBron,Bryant,Carmelo,McGrady,et al. They’ve carried teams into the Play-Offs,something Martin has been incapable of.
Yeah
And if LeBron were on this team, Martin wouldn’t be the MVP. But chase Budinger isn’t exactly carrying a team into the playoffs, either.
Also, Kobe missed the playoffs entirely in ’05, at his absolute prime, and went 3 years in a row without winning a series. Even the best need some help around them.
But the best get you there.
Your James mention makes little to no sense though.
TDS's resident dickhead.
Eh
He missed out by, what, a combined five games or so? With a makeshift roster in Houston and a crappy roster in Sacramento?
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
I giggled when you brought up the comparison mainly because there's scorer and absolutely reliant whistle whore, which Martin is.
We can talk TS% all we want but if the game is mainly predicated on the NBA’s liberal regular season whistle system then it won’t translate well when he’s required. Volume shooters do serve a purpose, hence the reason guys like Tracy McGrady were a premium in the playoffs, they may take some possessions away but they’re far more deadly than a guy who will flail like he’s been shot out of a cannon and a drive to the hoop. Even refs have a limit when we hit the playoffs.
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I think we're overrating a few things here...
1) You’re discounting Martin’s ability to drive to the hole and draw legitimate contact and overrating the volume of “cheap” fouls that he draws. Keep in mind that Martin has consistently shot at least 7 free throws per game for his career – this isn’t a number that will simply drop to 3 or 4 for each and every playoff game.
2) I do agree that volume shooters serve their purpose and are valuable if marginally efficient, but you’re neglecting that True Shooting % has any value… at all. Fine, discount it if you will, but don’t completely reject it.
3) If we’re talking on the subject of “whistles” and such when it comes to the NBA’s best playoff scorers… isn’t it true that the majority of the league’s top scorers get to the free throw line at a similar rate as Martin? Do their free throw numbers drop off extensively in the playoffs? I don’t think that’s the case.
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In the spirit of overrating
1.) You stated earlier that we can’t talk about Martin in the playoffs because he’s never been there in his prime. I certainly think he can draw legitimate driving fouls but to ignore that a mass majority of his calls are him initiating contact and flailing wildly to hear a whistle is to ignore what lands him at the line during the regular season.
2.) I’m not ignoring TS%, just calling attention to the fact that regular and post season games are officiated differently. It has its uses for effectiveness in the regular season but it changes when we get to the post season because…
3.) Whistles for the best playoff scorers (Namely, superstars) are expected because the NBA wants to protect their star players. Kevin Martin is not one of their star players. Dirk Nowitzki, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James, et al. are star players who continue to get those calls. Kevin Martin is not of that cut. We cannot conflate those players and their free throws with Kevin Martin’s regular season free throw whistles.
At the end of the day TS% is great for getting Kevin Martin’s regular season performance in perspective but its not to be trusted in discussing translation to the post season for the simple reason that when the calendar flips over to NBA postseason volume shooting superstars get those calls, not minimally marketed scorers on low market-draw teams.
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To reply, then it's off to studying.
1) I really do think that a good number of the fouls that he draws are legitimate, and that maybe twice a game he’ll get a call off a flailer. Wish someone like Ed Kupfer took note of “Fouls Drawn In The Paint” or something like that. Those are the calls that I think will duplicate themselves in the playoffs, and I think the number is fairly decent.
Points 2) thru final paragraph:
I’m not putting this task to you, but I’d love to see some numbers on postseason whistles and free throws attempted, team by team and perhaps player by player. I’ll perhaps find time to look it up myself, but that’s not going to present itself for a while.
We’ll end this here due to the fact that it’s pointless to argue Martin’s ability to get calls in the playoffs when we have yet to see him (in his prime) participate in a playoff series. Sure, in 2005-2006, he managed to go 10-10 from the FT line in one postseason game as a relatively unknown bench player, but that’s literally the worst sample we could use to discuss this.
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Best of luck studying man, I'm with you on the theoretical playoff Kevin Martin thing being a crapshoot.
From observation alone I see that usually superstar calls go up, ticky tack fouls decline.
TDS's resident dickhead.
But Martin is guaranteed to get those touch fouls every game.
It was so obvious that he struggled on offense when he did not get those calls. I just don’t like it.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 8, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Your bias is destroying your judgement and I always tell you that it does. Stop doing that or you won’t be able to carry on a reasonable conversation without looking foolish. You are too smart for that.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Um,.....
ok…….?
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 8, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
What he is saying is this:
Just because you don’t like that Martin flops doesn’t mean that you can overlook 23.4 points per game on just 16 shots per game.
Similarly, Terrence Williams’ ability to dunk, pass and occasionally make a jumper doesn’t mean that he is ready to become an NBA star, much less play 10 minutes per game.
(here comes “now I NEVER said he was a star”… but the way you talk about him, it sure seems like it)
(give mom a hug for me)
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
I have to go with Martin
The amount of times this guy put on an absolute SHOW with his impressive scoring is outstanding. The fact is that a basketball game is still won by scoring more than your opponent, and Martin did his part by having a near-career year in that department.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Not a great ultimate deciding factor
You can’t simply say someone scored a ton of points and the game is won when you have more points than the other team so that player is best. I wont go so far as to say Martin is not the mvp because clearly is scoring was HUGE to the team. Lowry does all the little things though. He contributes so much in a non statistical way, not to mention the stats he puts up as well. If you look at players purely based on scorelines Chuck Hayes should be considered nearly worthless. As we all know though Chuck can have a major impact on games. Again this is not to say Martin is not possibly the mvp but I think it is silly to say he is simply because he scores a ton.
Well in deciding the MVP you have to think of it like this: "If you were to take that player off of his team, what would his team be?"
This team without Lowry would be bad to watch, but this team without Martin would just be awful.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
I happen to disagree with that assesment.
Didn’t Coach Sleepy’s offense promote ball-movement/less dependence on one player. I’m not trying to undervalue his contributions to the team, but remember that he was more than just a liability on defense. Personally, I just really feel like Kyle Lowry owned and directed this offense(for the second part of the season of course).
While that may be true, was and IS Lowry and irreplacable player?
We saw how well Dragic preformed down the stretch, and it makes you wonder if you can take an “Average” point like Goran Dragic and put him in the starting lineup, you would still get results.
Calling Dragic “Average” isn’t what I meant to do by this post, by the way, but as of right now he’s not a special point guard.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Good point that Dragic came in and performed effectively
IMO, however, I think we just have a kick-ass point-guard tandem. Maybe I AM underrating Speed Racer’s contributions to this team, but I don’t feel as if he’s irreplaceable. In fact, I expect him (and Scola) to be traded within the next two years. Now, even then, the argument for KMart as Rocket’s MVP is makes sense: he put up big points, efficiently and consistently. But I don’t consider him irreplaceable. Relative to KMart, I consider KLow, or at least our pg tandem, more “irreplaceable”
Good point
I prefer the tandem rather than just one of them. If their is one thing that can keep a team’s head above water it’s pg’s and I love me this tandem as well as last year’s. It is fair to say that is our best position right now. Next is SG.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
I went with Martin, ultimately.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
you people are all fools!!!
Clearly the memory of brian cook spured this team on when all seemed lost.
It was his indominable spirir that showed us all what winning was about. Before, during and after his stay here, brian cook was the soul of this franchise!!
Bcook 4eva!!!!
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on May 8, 2011 4:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Chuck Hayes
Which player was the only one to score lots of points in games?…there was no one player
Which player was the rebound champion or block shot champion almost every game…there was no one player.
Which player was the only one to defend the paint night in night out…Chuck Hayes.
The most valuable player….Chuck Hayes.
Martin scores lots of points true….but others could too when Martin hit his slumps.
Lowry was only brilliant at the trade deadline one…roughly…
PP filled in nicely for scola at times…and with Hill and others PF was covered…
But can anyway say that Miller did anything this season besides play spot up 3pt shooter?
Chuck Hayes…ladies and gentlemen
Chuck serves his purpose well.
But there are too many holes in his game that prevent him from entering an MVP conversation.
My vote is Martin. The fact that we’ve become bored of him scoring 23+ points night in and night out says quite a bit about his production. If Martin had an off night, chances are the Rockets did as well.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
What??????
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even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on May 8, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
We're forgetting that John P jumped all over Chuck's dong as soon as the triple double posted.
Overrating is to be expected.
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I’d argue Martin. We’re forgetting that Lowry did not play well at all for the first two months of the season. Martin was consistently productive throughout.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
by Barragan on May 8, 2011 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point.
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Tell that to those who believe
That the season started after all-star weekend.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
i wish
We were elite after the ASB and had it started then we’d be watching them play right now
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on May 8, 2011 8:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
After AB was traded,
then Lowry got it going.
When AB was here, Lowry struggled.
Might just be coincidence.
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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 8, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
This isn't about Lowry
It’s about the team MVP. There is no point in discussing why Lowry didn’t put up bigger numbers at the beginning of the season. Fact is, he didn’t put them up. If we want to talk about Lowry alone, that’s a valid argument.
But if we’re talking about the team MVP for the whole season, Martin’s numbers were there from the start. As were Scola’s.
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Kevin Martin
I love Lowry, but there is no replacing a threat to go off for 30 points on any given night like Martin.
Martin was simply consistant for the entire year.
He brought it damn near every game. So he gets my vote.
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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on May 8, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions
In a wierd way
I think Yao was the most valuable player. Played in only a handful of games, but I think his injuries have finally changed the minds of the front office. As much as I love the guy, there is no building a team around him. Can’t be done. Now the Rockets can finally start to move toward a more stable team, and hopefully a prosperous one down the line. Yao’s ability to stay healthy this year or not stay healthy has more than likely change the course of the franchise for the better. I just wish it hadn’t taken so long for the front office to notice. (even though a part of me thought Yao could succeed too)
to the bandwagoners jumping off the morey ship like its sinking
Id like to call to your attention how it was that we got our mvp of the season in rockets red to begin with.
One of the most gifted offensive threats in the game was ours for a pittance.
Id also like to adress the disparity surrounding the way martin produces, meaning drawing fouls ad-naseum, and that is while his effectivness remains contingent upon a whistle drawing fouls does a lot more for us than simply get free-throws. It can put the opposing players court time in jepordy while racking up team fouls to such a degree that it renders the defensive intensity a team is willing to exhibit cautious and weakened.
It not only means a pair of free-throws but it helps the whole team out while making his scouting report look something like, don’t let him slip away from you cuz he has range but don’t get too close cuz he’ll make u foul him and then hit both freebies. How the hell do you guard that?
The man is a scoring specialist and is more honed at that skill than anyone else on the team is at their respective skills (save for chuck and his low-post d)
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by ShookednShanghaied11 on May 8, 2011 7:59 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Lowry
W/Lowry starting 40-32,w/others starting 3-7.
W/Martin starting 42-38,w/others 1-1.
I’ve made no secret of my desire to see Martin traded :) even tho I appreciate his ability to score. The problem I have w/Martin is his ability to score has barely moved the Rockets’ win/loss record.
Over the past two seasons the Rockets have gone 85-79. Martin has played in 104 of those games. W/him the Rockets are 54-50,w/out 31-29.
One final reason to promote Martin in general
I always forget this, but….
Not only do his high free-throw numbers add to his efficiency, but they also get opposing teams in foul trouble. In essence, were Martin to draw two quick fouls on an opposing team’s stud player or starting center, therefore sending either to the bench, you could argue that Martin impacted both the offense AND the defense.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
If we tote that line every flagrant/general foul resulting in a large scale injury shows defense in full force.
Keeps a guy out for weeks or months and he’s a dynamo.
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Kevin Martin...
It’s more than just the production… high scoring average, one of the leaders in free throw makes, shot high % from inside and beyond the arc and fre throw line….. He became an option late in games, and he responded well and hit big shots. He’s not an elite superstar, but he can score in bunches. Somewhat of a liability defensively, but he did average 2.5 steals per game. Given his production and his salary, there’s a lot of value there. His ability to space the floor makes everyone else better. With more of a post presence, he could be even more lethal offensively.
Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession
Kevin Martin, no question
he was consistent all season long, would be an all-star if the West wasn’t so chock full of elite guards (and if he threw down a few more dunks this season, he lacks that swagger that makes a guy an all-star player), and kept us in many games, for better or for worse (depending on how you think we should’ve approached the end of the season). All in all, there were many games this season we either won or were still in till the very end because of Martin, conversely, we very rarely ever lost games because KM12 was doing something awful (like turning the ball over a lot, missing a lot of shots, or getting outscored by his defensive assignment). Conversely, I feel like Lowry negatively impacted the team in the first 3 months by being out of shape to start the season, taking some pretty ill-advised shots, and not handling the minutes quarrel with Brooks particularly well (that may or may not be his fault, but is none-the-less hard to ignore).
Also, to address what others are saying about trading Martin: he is a great, great piece (1st or 2nd option on offense) on a championship caliber roster. Are the Rockets championship-caliber right now? No. But they can be if a few balls bounce their way in the FA / trade market over the next summer or two. But this is a separate argument about the direction of the team. None the less, I’d hate to see him get traded (would much rather see Scola go, he’s has ‘sell-high’ written all over him).
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
Scola's coming off of knee surgery
He’s not exactly at record highs in terms of trade value.
by Patrick Harrel on May 9, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Lowry is only getting love for how he played after the trade deadline.
No? Go look at his numbers and team performance before and after the deadline and you will see my point. This type of short sightedness has to be addressed. Martin, however, put up and maintained his numbers throughout the ENTIRE season and not just two months. The WHOLE season is more valuable than TWO MONTHS of it. Care to argue otherwise? If the last two months meant more to the season then we would have been in the playoffs. If Lowry comes back next season and plays like he did the last two months then he gets the MVP hands down. But that would be next season and not this one because he fuckin sucked the first two months of the year as well. Oh how we forget significant time frames for the sake of making a point.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Wow.
Didn’t expect it to be this close.
Lowry’s even up by one vote.
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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
kmart
pure shooting guardand gets to the line with the best of them
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Lowry for me
The reason I say that is because when I watch the Rockets, they seem to struggle when Lowry is out, even when he was in the second unit last year, if he was out, we were lost. I know we are only talking about this year, but this is just an general observation I had. He didnt play great before the trade deadline, but he was still valuable to us then and his importance came about after Brooks was traded. I think we have all heard stories about AB’s presence in the locker room, I think that just the fact that Brooks was unhappy due to being the second man and not getting his contracted might have affected the team negatively, so when he was traded, it allowed Lowry to do his thing and succeed. I believe that should be taken into account. This is coming from a guy that was always fighting for AB to get his starting place back.
There can be a great case for Martin as well since he was solid throughout the year, but if you ask me right now if Martin or Lowry couldnt play for some reason, would the team would do better without Lowry or without Martin, I would say they would do better without Martin. Again this is just based on my observation of the Rockets playing.

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