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Your Disclaimer - This is purely an expression of personal feeling, the analysis content isn't high, if there is any at all. I'm talking about my own sentiments here, and yours may differ greatly and we may both be wonderful people nonetheless. It's possible. 

Like a great heavyweight boxer the Lakers dominate the NBA conversation to such an extent that even a Rockets blog can, without much weirdness, have an opinion on their exit. Here's mine, all biases fully featured and more-or-less proudly owned.

So Long, Lakers. That was the brutal, merciless, exit you richly deserved. A beatdown, straight, no chaser. The big story? There was absolutely no need for Lakers or the press to make it all about the Lakers. You know, the usual story you've read all too many times; "What's wrong with LA that they're losing?"  "Is there secret angst in Lakerland?" " Is Pau really turning into an ostrich?" " How can they let this happen?" "When will Kobe lower the boom?"  "Wow, it'll be amazing when LA inevitably wins!"  

None of that applies. It doesn't matter one iota what the Lakers were thinking, feeling, doing or saying, because Dallas flat out kicked their asses. Four straight. Close game.Holding precarious leads. Comeback. A savage beating for the curtain.  

There are pieces of music written (from classical to rock and everything in between) so a performer can strut his or her stuff, display virtuosity, confirm mastery. They aren't always the best from a musical standpoint, but they leave no doubt the musician has chops. Dallas performed such a piece on the Lakers. LA's mental state, Phil's leadership, Kobe's decline, Pau's disappearance were basically the piano accompaniment to Dallas' performance. It wasn't about LA at all.

Here's the odd bit. I don't hate the Lakers, per se, (I truly and honestly loved the Showtime Lakers as much as a Rockets fan could) but I positively loathe these particular Lakers. If asked at gunpoint which current Laker I liked, I'd answer Lamar Odom, but his cheap-shot on Dirk may have altered that. 

On Phil - Phil was and is a great coach. He's a fine strategist and a superior motivator. No one works over the press, the opposition and his own players like Phil. But perhaps his finest talent has been attaching himself to the right situation. Today the amazing Phil, against all expectation, managed to find one last new thing to do in the NBA before yet another hiatus - his team was swept from a playoff series.

Now Phil Jackson can head up to Wytana and contemplate trout and wildflowers for a couple of years until he figures out which player is the new clear #1 in the NBA (with a Top 10 sidekick). He will then volunteer to coach said player for $15-$20 million a year. And he'll do it his way.    

That's the thing, Phil Jackson is always, 110%, for Phil Jackson. He'll show up, and take your #1 player (and Top 10 sidekick) to a title, he'll be richly compensated and screw your daughter in the bargain, if one's available. He'll expect you to be absurdly grateful for his passive-agressive words of wisdom. He'll wear whatever glasses best complement his Deep Guy Manque image.  

Occasionally Phil will let a genuine bit of emotion or respect slip out from his usual torrent of fish hooks and razor blades, and like scraps before hungry mongrels, the press will devour it whole. When his #1 player slips a bit, begins to totter on his perch, Phil will be gone like yesterday's weather. To meditate and be deep somewhere awesome, one presumes.

Kevin Durant? LeBron James? Player X? Meet Phil Jackson. He's coming soonish to an arena near you.  

[Note by Xiane, 05/10/11 ] It was suggested to me (by voice!) that Phil Jackson didn't win his titles by writing Michael Jordan's name on the lineup card.  Agreed, I never said he was bad coach.  But do this little thought experiment with me. Two otherwise identical coaches, one named Phil Jackson, the other Jack Philson.  One has Jordan and Pippen (or, later, Kobe and Shaq) on his team, the other doesn't.  Who wins the title?

Star-divide

On Kobe - Any longtime reader of this board will know that Kobe Bryant ranks fairly high on my list of all-time-least-liked-players. Below Karl Malone, but above John Stockton, if that helps. But in this series Kobe did something that shocked me. He acted like a grown man. He didn't shoot his teammates in the back. He didn't shift blame. He stayed positive, not petulant. He took it like a man. As much as it pains me, I may have to adjust his ranking.

A note to Bynum - Wow, Drew, really brave, taking a cheap shot on Barrea at the end there. A real center could stop that play with a basketball, rather than dick, move. You're not that center. What ARE you exactly, manchild? An almost star? A spun-sugar enforcer? I notice you picked on the smallest possible Maverick - 15 inches shorter. Not, I see, Tyson Chandler. Or even Demon Bird Mothball Marion. Certainly kept your distance from JKidd, too. Chickenshit.

On Dallas and Dirk - I don't have quite the hatred of all things Maverick that many of you do. This is not to say I don't fully understand those feelings. But deep down I like Cuban. I think he's a walking example of continuing extreme improbability, and that's amusing in itself.  

Honestly though, I'll cheer for the almost any Texas team against a non-Texas team 95% of the time. I suppose I'm more Texan than Houstonian in that way. Mind you, I want all Texas teams to be good, but I want Houston to be better. That applies elsewhere, the UT/AM rivalry is finer, for example, when both are great teams. It means more. I'll never say "no" to beating the Aggies, but I'd much prefer it to be a worthy Aggies team.

Anyhow, my family moved to Dallas right as I was starting high school and stayed there through my undergrad years. Houston teams were and are always #1 to me, but if it did no harm to a Houston team, I wanted Dallas to win, too. Remember, I couldn't watch much Houston ball way back then in the analog days of yore. All my friends were from Dallas, too, so this was pretty natural.  

What with the AFC/NFC, NL/AL not much clashed that often, only the Mavs and the Rockets.  At that point, generally, the Rockets were going places and Mavs were, typically, left each season staring up at the weird light-up mold spore ball-thingy above their arena, going nowhere in particular. Often they were wondering if they'd ever get a center (what must that be like?).

Not many teams have suffered both crushing heartbreak and utter badness quite like the Mavs have in the past. Some excellent Dallas teams went down in classic series against LA and others. Then came the 2006 Finals and an absolute vicious buggering by the refs. You saw it, I saw it, everyone saw it. It was awful. Apparently the NBA/Stern decided the West was just too dominant if Dallas was going to make short work of Miami and its charming DWade. Can't let the Krauts win, you know. So they didn't. And this was put down as a character flaw on Dirk Nowitski's part. It was simply vile.  

This Dallas team is probably a last hurrah for its major players. Dirk knows it, and appears to be rising to the moment. (He should join Yao Ming on a "least appreciated superstars" team.) I can't say there's any guy left in the playoffs I rather see win a ring, (except possibly Shane Battier).

On Kidd, Terry - You know that list I mentioned with Kobe on it? Jason Kidd is on it too. But my respect for him as a player grew leaps and bounds this series. His work on Kobe and general basketball intelligence were awe inspiring. Maybe he's a grown up now, too.  

Early in each series I tried telling the Portland fans and to a much lesser extent, Laker fans, that they hadn't had a "Jason Terry Game" yet. Rocket fans know exactly what I'm talking about, because it seems like every recent Mavs-Rockets game is a "Jason Terry Game". What is that? It's a game where he can't freaking miss, and he knows it.  He shows you the knife before sticking into your gut and there's not a thing you can do, because he's simply not going to miss.  LA?  You just got a "Jason Terry Game".  Sucks, doesn't it?

 It sucks more because Jason Terry is such a grandstanding jackhole prick.  Kevin Martin can shoot like that, too, but who'd hate him?  Martin would just sort of duck his head to the side and grin sheepishly after yet another 3pter.  Not Jason Terry.  He pretends to be a little airplane and zooms around the building like a toddler who badly needs a nap.  Yes, he's on my list, too.

Anyway, on to the WCF, and may the best team win, because I certainly don't want Miami to get a title.

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Wunderschon!
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Harsh, yet cruel.
21 votes
Kobe! My poor dear little Kobe! He's so sad now!
51 votes
What goes around comes around.
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So now LA is going to send us Gasol, Odom and Bynum for Thabeet!
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Rec'd for Laker hatred

This is absolutely the greatest post in the history of mankind. Why? Because it speaks on the demise of the Lakers after being swept by a team everyone expected to choke, myself included.

I am going to come out of the closet and admit to being a Mavs fan. I never talk about it because when I used to I would really get grilled for it. But now I can openly love the Mavericks because they destroyed the spirits of every one of these annoying Laker fans who think the Laker are entitled to win every fuckin series. Go Mavs! Hate me if you want but I don’t give a damn. Why? Because the Lakers lost!!!!! Now Boston has to destroy Miami for my 2011 to be the best year of my life! (not saying much)

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 9, 2011 1:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Well said

I think there are probably quite a few Rockets fans who wouldn’t mind seeing the Mavs win. I would personally love to see them beat Miami in the finals. It would partially make up for the screwing over they got against the Heat in 2006.
As for Cuban, even though he can be a whiny bitch at times, I can’t help but like him. It’s refreshing to see an owner who so obviously actually CARES about his team winning. I have no qualms with Les, but I would certainly rather have Cuban than either Bob McNair or Drayton McLain.

by jack_ on May 9, 2011 1:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Meh...I love the Lakers...

like you with Dallas, my laker love comes second to rockets but man…I hate dallas. Of course, the cheap shot by Bynum dropped him off my respect sheet. As for Kobe, it pains me to see him fading…I guess I’m just too used to the winning Lakers…oh well…at least the Clippers are building so I won’t have to completely give up on LA

ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Roxbybirth on May 9, 2011 1:28 AM CDT reply actions  

I do not hate the Mavericks

Cuban was one of the two owners who voted against the Sonics move to OKC (the other being Paul Allen, owner of the Seahawks, Sounders, and Trail Blazers) and they’ve got a Seattle player in Jason Terry. The cheap shots by Odom and Bynum were awful today. That’s not the way you go out. Kobe did what he did, but his teammates didn’t show up. We knew it would happen sometime, but I didn’t know this series would be it.

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.

by .Bonzo on May 9, 2011 1:30 AM CDT reply actions  

what a great write up sir.

I think I agree with everything you said, except that I do hold that grudge against Dallas and San Antonio because of territorial issues in Texas. I think I am the most surprised that LA just got swept. Never would’ve expected that in a million years, especially how well Dallas closed it. I’m still waiting for Yahoo sports writers to start milking a Miami vs Dallas rematch now that LA is out of the picture.

BTW, who do you think is going to make it out of that Memphis and OKC series? I think the only thing more surprising than LA being swept is how well Memphis is playing. I thought they would’ve cooled off but they are still winning. OKC’s experience and age are coming into play and with that said, I think that’s why Memphis is able to come back from being down 16.

Crazy stuff this year I tell you.

by dacodeman on May 9, 2011 1:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That really has nothing to do with it.

The problem with OKC is that they have a grand total of three guys who I trust to do anything with a basketball on the offensive end. And one of them ( Harden) never plays in the 4th quarter in favor of a basically a Battier who can’t make 3’s in Sefalosha.

Durant simply has to be more physical and not let himself get pushed around by Tony Allen, and Harden needs to play more. And Scott Brooks seriously reminds me of Mike Brown.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on May 9, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't make me flame you

Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 9, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

OKC's problem is

Westbrook thinks he can be like D Rose and take 30 shots. His last game he was 7-22 FG 12 ast 7 turnovers and fouled out. He dribbles the ball till the clock gets to around 8 and either pulls up or goes on to miss a lay-up.

"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey

by fanoflosingteams on May 9, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can you say

Steve Francis?

Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

by batman713 on May 9, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Durant

will ask for his removal if that keep up till the trade deadline next season.

"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey

by fanoflosingteams on May 9, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is it about the 1/2 guards

that make them think they have to do it all. Just cause you can jump over folk don’t mean that is always your best option. Call me old fashioned, but a true point guard might not be a flashy, but they just might pass the ball to someone who is.

by makinmajik on May 9, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't really hate the Mavs but I dislike...

Dirk – his poor elbow was “hurt” by Carl Landry’s mouth, so he tried to sell it as much as he could… thus got the whistle he wanted.

Kidd – wife beater, nuff said.

Terry – Rocket Killer.

That said, I’m happy the Lakers are out. Lakers fans = worst fans ever, they troll every board and try to make it all about their team. Good Laker fans are treasured though. Now ,I wish the Heat would lose next. What Wade did with Rondo was dangerous and uncalled for, the way he dragged the guy with him to the ground. The injury looked gruesome and I felt sorry for the guy(I don’t even like him). Chalk it up to aggressive D but he should not have pulled him down with him when he fell.

As for the team I support in this year’s playoffs, it’s the Grizzlies because of Shane and because I want to see history made(1st 8th seed Champions).

by suzaku on May 9, 2011 4:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Dirk – his poor elbow was "hurt" by Carl Landry’s mouth, so he tried to sell it as much as he could… thus got the whistle he wanted.

Dude- he ended up with two of Landry’s teeth embedded in his elbow. He shot his free throws left handed and then left the game. It was unfortunate for both players, but Dirk didn’t do anything wrong. The foul call wasn’t even particularly egregious; worse fouls get called at least a dozen times a game.

by jack_ on May 9, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read it as a jab at Dirk for drawing a foul from the elbow that knocked out Landry’s teeth.

by jack_ on May 9, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

drawing a foul?

He made the real foul in that play. Other than that, what I absolutely hated was his overreaction while our guy was calm even with his teeth knocked out. Dirk was such a priss compared to Carl.

by suzaku on May 10, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Landry is a badass

but that doesn’t mean Dirk overreacted. Dirk did what any reasonable person would do: grimace in pain and clutch the injured area. That’s what makes Landry’s reaction so badass.
Suggesting that Dirk is a pansy for not being as nonchalant about his injury as Landry was takes away from just how beastly Carl was and is.

by jack_ on May 11, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd imagine getting tooth fragments lodged in your elbow hurts a good bit.

Not as much as getting your teeth fragmented, though. Carl Landry is a stupendous badass.

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by Xiane on May 11, 2011 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

I really miss Landry.

by jack_ on May 11, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also...

I forgot which series it was so I want to ask which team made the bogus steal on us? The one that was made from out of bounds, was it the Jazz or Mavs?

by suzaku on May 9, 2011 5:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Mavs.

2005 if I recall correctly.

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on May 9, 2011 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

1 more reason for me to root against them in the WCF...

But to be fair I think their loss against 8th seed GSW then already made up for it in a karmic sort of way.

Still I’m going to be rooting for them should they meet the Heat in the Finals. I just don’t want the Heat to win this year.

by suzaku on May 9, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Strangely enough

I love Jason terry when he’s not playing the rockets. sheepish

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on May 9, 2011 7:00 AM CDT reply actions  

dude was red hot

"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22

by theSpaceCityKid on May 9, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

a "Jason Terry Game"

I don’t think I’ve every heard this described so eloquently:

“… a game where he can’t freaking miss, and he knows it. He shows you the knife before sticking into your gut and there’s not a thing you can do, because he’s simply not going to miss. LA? You just got a “Jason Terry Game”… It sucks more because Jason Terry is such a grandstanding jackhole prick."

Brilliant!

by slothy420 on May 10, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was one of them

I wanted the guy. I not trying to be a revisionist here and say I was against the idea of getting him. I just didn’t see these things before.

by erod on May 9, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw 7 years of being a number one option, two playoff appearances and no progress out of the first round, or even a 7 game series.

Everyone blamed his teammates but neglected that during some of those runs they had a very nice roster and should have at least seen a 7 game series.

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on May 9, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most of the Mavericks.

Cant say enough about Barea constantly getting elbowed in the face by Kobe and not complaining, just taking it to them on the other end. Class team and I never thought i would say that about the Mavs. My hate for them has drastically dropped. Except Jason Terry when he plays us.. damn him

by Rocket94 on May 9, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still hate them

especially Barea. However, there is no honor how the Lakers handled themselves towards the Mavs. These were obviously extreme examples of unquestionable tactics. Normally, i would despise the Mavs, but in this instance the handled it like men. I would still like to believe that Chandler walked up to Bynum after the game in a dark alley and whooped his punk ass. But during the game the Mavs took the high road and ensured they would all be available to play in the next round. Smart and classy.

Does this mean I am a Mavs fan? Hell no. Its just that the Mavs performed far fewer instances of random douchebaggery out of the two.

"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers

by A.J. G on May 9, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

the premeditated douchebaggery!

by makinmajik on May 9, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Terry really makes me dislike the Mavs

I hope they lose next round to Memphis or OKC, or even get burned in the finals. Terry just really gets on my nerves with that whole flying celebration he always does. Rockets vs Mavs games are always heated and I just like Dallas not winning any championships. I would have preferred LA to win actually because I respect Kobe a lot, but I cant say I am sad that they got swept too.

by Rockets4LIFE on May 9, 2011 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

would the Rockets want Bynum?

I know the Rockets cant/wont get him. But can you imagine him on this squad?

"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey

by fanoflosingteams on May 9, 2011 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

As soon as Orlando realizes they will not be keeping Howard...

They are going to trade him to LA. When you have a 90$ million dollar payroll, you don’t have to worry about rebuilding, you retool. If Howard chooses free agency, he’s going to choose the Lakers. Question is, are they going to give the reings to Brian Shaw, or are they going to give Rick a call.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 9, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Orlando will trade Howard for the best haul if they hear nothing from Howard about sticking around.

LA is a suitor because they can offer some bigs but I highly doubt LA is a lock if teams like New Jersey and some others will place a call.

I think the Lakers will wind up giving Rick a call, especially if they do a “minor” tweak by casting off Bynum and Artest. They need to upgrade the point guard position, not the center though. Their pressing needs are point, defensive wing, and mental toughness.

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on May 9, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think LA is going to work because the Magic would probably

also like to dump Gilbert Arenas and the 3yrs @ 18/per, and the I have a feeling LA would take that on if it meant Dwight Howard.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 9, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

You could probably blow up the ESPN Trade Machine

trying to get the money to work with that. It would be about the only way for LA to get rid of Artest and his contract. If any real changes come about with the CBA it might be tricky for LA to regroup. It will be fun to watch how they react to Bynum’s antics. Him being the Golden Child and all.

by makinmajik on May 9, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is all assuming the league CBA stays as is

New CBA will likely bring a hard cap and that payroll won’t matter for shit. Count it, the hard cap will happen.

"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers

by A.J. G on May 9, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Exactly the way I feel.
Hate the Mavs, but seriously, how can you support the same team that this tool supports.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FULUq-Ej_Fk

by ppatsaboss on May 9, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

With No cap space and no 1st round pick

They have to make a trade. As BD said, they NEED a PG. I think they need that 1st and foremost. It all depends on what they can offer other teams.

"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey

by fanoflosingteams on May 9, 2011 10:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Yea, I remember us also leading that series and losing by 40 in game 7, your gripe is with the Rockets collapsing, not the Mavs bitching.

Dallas played out of their minds but if you’re saying their defense is a fluke you’re horribly underrating the Mavericks. They’re a good team and I hate to blow up your spot but there’s a reason Dallas is a consistent 50 win team ever since Cuban took the reigns.

TDS's resident dickhead.

by BD34 on May 9, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No question, Cuban is a hell of an owner and he spends money...

As far as that series goes, Dallas was the better team and it shouldn’t have gotton to 7 games. But you can’t discount what Cuban did. It was a bitch move and it wasn’t the first or last time he’s been manipulative….. But when you’re 7’6 and set arguably the best screen legally in the NBA, the opposition can either deal with it, try and beat it, or whine and cry about it. The fact that he chose the latter IMO shows his character.

Funny how Memphis' ****-up has become Houston's obsession

by jake_471 on May 9, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man, I understand being pissy at douchers,

the world is full of em. However, it wasn’t like Cuban did some illegal stuff. I understand if you don’t like due to his abrasive over the top personality, but he is passionate about his team and I would not be mad if our owner acted like him. Did he cry to the league? Sure, but we cry when stuff doesn’t go our way too. It’s part of the game. If the make it illegal and then people do it is when it’s a problem.

"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers

by A.J. G on May 9, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The lakers quit. The mavs won fair and square.

But to go out and say that Gasol and Odom are not good players is flat out wrong.
Last year in the playoffs Gasol played out of his mind. The dude is usually dominant. I dont know what happened in this series but he really is one of the better consistent big men out there.

Odom creates mismatches like no one else in the game. If he wasn’t so up and down with all the sugar swings he really can play like a star. The guy can really take over a game – and thats coming off the bench.

Fisher sucks but usually comes up big in the playoffs. I hate him as much as anyone but last year im not sure the lakers would have won without him. He just hasn’t aged well.

Kobe is a serious contender for GOAT. Even if he isnt, you could put him at number 2 and not worry about it at all.

This is a team with serious talent. Dont ask me what went wrong. They quit and were classless. Im a fan of the lakers but that was a poor showing. But dont say they dont have the talent.

by AlDe2356 on May 9, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

mavs were the better team

Ill agree with u there. Its hard to call a sweep ‘lucky’ but that shouldn’t stop laker fans assuming they have any left at this point.
SI had a great article that proved that town to be full of band-wagoners with marginal interest in basketball…kinda like miami fans. I know I wasn’t the only one laughing at the Heat’s perpetaly half-full stadium.
To call that group untalented is ludicrous. Kobe is good but he’s not THAT good. No one leads their teams to mutiple rings without some serious help; jordan, magic, bird, wilt, and hakeem included.
Gasol is and was one of the better big men in the game as evidenced by their immediate contention upon his arrival, he just had a bad post-season this yr. Odom is bar-none the best bench player around and when he is playing well, is good enough to be a solid #2 option on any other contending team.
Love em or hate em, that roster is stacked. The writing was on the wall all yr that they just didn’t give a damn and were not at all interested in working or playing hard for victory.
Last yr it was the inclusion of artest who kept em hungry and honest as, when motivated, he was good enough to win some games. Barnes and blake don’t fit that bill.
La just needs a real pg and I have a feeling they will play a lot different next yr after this embarrasment. It was almost as if they expected other teams to lie down and let them win because of who they were and what they’d done. They needed to be reminded they could loose and loose badly.
I think artest and fisher are gone and wouldn’t be surprised to see anyone but kobe go for a quality player who still gives a damn about competeing.

"Never underestimate the heart of a champion"- Rudy T, all up in that azz

by ShookednShanghaied11 on May 9, 2011 9:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know

Maybe I remember the era after showtime and before Kobe, referred to as the “Vlade Vlade, we like to paaarttttyyy” era. Everyone acts like this team is going to be dominant forever and fans of other teams actually seem to hope they do. I hope they all get syphilis. I respect Kobe, but the rest of the team has not one “elite” player. Hell, people talk shit about Bosh, but Gasol was the OG of “guy who can’t lead deferring to a true alpha because he’s a bitch”. Kobe is a beast, and nobody can deny that. I just think Kobe, as all elite players do, makes those guys look much better than they actually are. Also, I think Jason Terry is better than Odom off the bench, at least that’s what it looked like last night.

I don’t understand why people think that LA is never going to go through what other teams do as far as having to rise and ebb like the tide. Any self-respecting non-Laker fan should love them imploding and hope it is permanent and that their team dominates. Perhaps I’m being harsh with my observations, but I am peppering my comments with liberal amounts of personal opinon/ With the new CBA this is almost a certainty, as Adande alluded to today. One of the only opponents to a hard cap in the NBA is, you guessed it, Dr. Buss. Then again, I don’t understand why Carlisle said he thinks Dirk is a top 10 player of all time. People can and will be delusional.

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by A.J. G on May 9, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think anyone lucks their way into a sweep.

I don’t think the Lakers were mentally unavailable for the first two games, they just lost. The bottom line is that is still the engine that makes the Lakers go, and Kobe is aging. That’s the story.

Dallas showed that if you could pack the paint you turn the Lakers into a jump shooting team. (By the way, Dallas had enough big bodies to pack the paint – did you observe this Mr. Morey?) If the Lakers are a jump shooting team you can pencil in a certain number of points for Kobe and see if the rest of them can beat you. As long as defend Kobe so he doesn’t explode for 30+, you’re probably ok because what’s left is: Fisher, Artest, Blake, Brown, Barnes. Alternatively, Kobe can score a lot, so long as he consumes a ton of possessions to do it. If you’ve shut down the paint, the Lakers still lose. Kobe can’t summon 60+ points very often anymore, particularly with the good D that Kidd player.

 I wrote at some point that despite being essentially the same age Kobe had played something like six full seasons of NBA basketball games more than Shane Battier. This was due to playoffs and joining the league at such a young age. Impeccable conditioning can’t overcome that much milage past 30.

This Laker team had the talent to win two titles, remember. But age is real. People wonder why Boston can’t do it, well, that was an old team 4 years ago when they won. Now its four years later and they’re playing two top 5 players in their primes.

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by Xiane on May 10, 2011 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, typo city, sorry.

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by Xiane on May 10, 2011 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's with all the good teams choking this playoffs.

I really hate the Mavs but I am glad they beat the Lakers.

by benchot on May 10, 2011 4:20 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Who choked in this series? Mavs won, straight up.

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by Xiane on May 10, 2011 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Magic Johnson be rollin over in his

motha $^%$in grave if he saw that sookin Laker team. Oops he was.
Nice wright up.
Sorry cant like the mavs due to that knob jockey Cuban.

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by craigj007 on May 10, 2011 5:39 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm glad the Lakers and PJ are out...

PJ has no class and Bynum is a punk…i hope he busts his knee next season.

by inquisitiveman on May 10, 2011 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Lakers have to be my least favorite team.

But more than anything else, I will be glad for the media to finally get off the Laker’s nuts. All I heard every day was Lakers, Celtics, Heat. It’s good to see that there is potentially some hope that one of the media darlings will be off of the radar.

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by TheChuckwagonisrolling on May 10, 2011 6:57 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Despite the media loving the major market teams

being in the spotlight, Stern has hinted many times of wanting to move closer to the NFL model of parity to appeal to a broader fanbase. Players come and go, so “player fans” who root for a player regardless of team and have no actual team affiliation are fleeting and bad for the NBA pocketbook. Teams that have incredibly loyal fans, who aren’t random bandwagoners, are much more likely to provide consistency with incoming capital during good and bad times. These issues are surely top of the new CBA. The players will resist a hard cap, but the owners will dangle removing guaranteed contracts over their heads and they will cave. This all leads to more parity and hopefully less media time for select teams.

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by A.J. G on May 10, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

of course, the shit will probably end up tits up

and we’ll be whining about the days when super teams were made, lol.

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by A.J. G on May 10, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good stuff

I too hate Jason Terry and all that he embodies. I’m no Mavs fan, but glad to see Dirk advance and get another shot to go to the finals. After living in Dallas the last 6 years, I’ve just developed a ridiculous amount of respect for the guy and would love to see him hoist the trophy (and then beat Terry with it – I digress).

My favorite part of the Bynum deal was Fisher’s post-game comments that “we’re better than that” and “we don’t coach these kids to play that way” and generally throwing Drew under the bus. I don’t know how to say “fuck you, you fucking douchebag hypocrite” in spanish but I’d say there’s a good chance Scola yelled something similar at his TV on Sunday.

by poole on May 12, 2011 1:14 AM CDT reply actions  

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