So... The Mavericks won the championship...
As much as I love Dirk and Cuban -- yes, both of those guys are awesome, and I simply do not see how anyone that is a huge basketball fan can disagree -- we're going to pretend this didn't happen, right?
Or are we going to say, "Well yeah, but, um, we have TWO!" ? I think that's the route I'm going to go. The Rockets are one of 9 teams (doing this from memory) to have won more than one championship (Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Spurs, Pistons, Nationals/76ers, Warriors, Knicks, Rockets). Only 18** of the 30 (I had to look that up) teams have won a championship at all with the Celtics at 17 and the Lakers at 16 hogging all of the glory. So, winning two is pretty impressive, though winning 1 put you in pretty rare territory. If you look at when basketball as we know it started (1979 with Magic coming into the league) it shrinks to only 10 teams winning a ring. Of those 10 teams, 7 won more than once.
There are two big questions that come from this Finals:
1. Where does this put Dirk on the all time PF list? And yes, he's a PF, there is no point arguing it, you're wrong if you don't think so.
My top 7, because I can't narrow it from that:
1. Tim Duncan - He's a PF, as much as I fought that all these years. He played one with Robinson and he's played one most of the time since.
2. Karl Malone** - Hate him, and I will till the end of time, but he was an incredible basketball player. That's the last nice thing I can say about him though
3. Charles Barkley - Not sure why people keep forgetting him (on lists, no one forgets him in general), but I've seen him as low as 7, which is lol funny. His prime was 26 and 12 and he could destroy the opposing team on either side of the ball. When he wanted he could go out and grab 30 rebounds or put up 50 points. And he was traded by the Clippers before he even played college ball. From basketball reference: October 12, 1978: Traded by the San Diego Clippers (as a 1984 1st round draft pick) to the Philadelphia 76ers for World B. Free.
4. Kevin Garnett - Yes, he's a douche now, but his scoring has always been All Star good, but his defense was MVP, all time great good.
5. Dirk Nowitzki - He took his game to another plane in these playoffs, has an MVP and is at 23 and 8 for his career. He's a much better rebounder than he gets credit for as well. And quite frankly, he really has won two rings, there is no way I give the Bennett Salvatores... um I mean 2006 Miami Heat, credit for that championship.
6. Bob Pettit - I couldn't do this list without him. If Bill Russell is listed in the top 5 of everyones center list (even though that's idiotic in my opinion for a guy 6'8 that never scored and played with 5 other hall of famers at a time, but I digress) then Pettit needs at least a mention here. He was a force in the league back in the olden days. Looking at his numbers makes me want to put him even higher 26 and 16 in his career and he was an all star all 11 years he was in the league
7. Kevin McHale - Not quite as good as everyone remembers him, but top 7 all time is pretty impressive. 17 and 7 over his career with his prime being in the 22 and 8 area, just not the same level as the other guys
2. Does this make Lebron A) Shrink back and never recover Nick Anderson style? Or B) Absolutely destroy the league next year, average a triple double to go along with 32 points per game?
I say B, so watch out. He's way too vain to not work hard to slaughter everyone.
While I had a hard time cheering for the Mavericks, they are from Texas, and that made it a bit easier. So, congratulations to our friends from Dallas, what you've done is pretty impressive, but come and talk to me when you do what most great teams in the modern basketball era have done, win at least twice.
* Do the Heat in 2006 really count? Had that series been officiated 70% correctly and not 100% BS the Mavericks would have won, right?
** Karl Malone is one of the biggest pieces of crap on the planet. He's the same guy that statutorily raped a 13 year old girl when he was 20 and then did nothing for the kid. When Demetrius Bell was 17 Malone basically told him to F off, too much time has gone for him to be his father. LINK Oh really Karl? And whose fault is that? Oh, yours? Okay, as long as we have that straight. And yes, I'll put that link in everything I write about Karl Malone for the rest of my life.
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hmmm, I respectfully disagree
I know I am supposed to hate the Dallas Mavericks, but I cannot hate this team.
Dirk and Cuban are just awesome.
I respect the hell out of Jason Terry for the damage he’s done to the Rockets.
Tyson Chandler is a good guy and a solid role player.
Shawn Marion may not be an all-star anymore, but look at what he just did to LeBron. Without talking smack.
JJ Barea is a midget, but midgets are funny.
Rick Carlisle is a hell of a coach.
Carlisle also shows mercy, because if he played Corey Brewer this series would have been a sweep…
okay, so Jason Kidd is a wife-beating prick who deserves bad things and DeShawn Stevenson is a complete punk…
but overall this Mavs team is likeable. It hurts me to say it, but it’s true.
by grungedave on Jun 13, 2011 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Well you said without talking smack?
What did you mean by that then?
Who are you disagreeing with?
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by UofTOrange on Jun 13, 2011 10:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the whole...
“However, we’re going to pretend this didn’t happen, right?”
that I can’t do. Though I am more than willing to do a ring counting thing with the Mavs… and even San Antonio who only has one legit ring sans Robert Horry (he was ours first!).
marion was so freaking baller this series
destroyed whoever was guarding him in the low post and did a great job with his defensive match-ups.
i agree to you.
for me, Dirk and JJ are cool. they played great on The Finals. their 3pts are extremely amazing. they almost never fail in 3pt shooting.
i'm glad the mavs won
because that meant that lebron is still ringless.
however, what i’m not looking forward to is the next year of gloating from the already gloaty mavs fans. oh well, better than it being the spurs, given how large a footprint they have here in austin.
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by sohum on Jun 13, 2011 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Cannot stand Dallas fan in any sport
Not really a fan of the big 3 either. I am glad that one of the toughest divisions of all time the SW division won a Championship. What pissed me off the most was Mike Breen and JVG talking about whether or not there were going to be suspensions. Hello!!! The Mavs were up by double digits. There may be no game 7. That’s almost as disrespectful as showing the OJ crap in ‘94. Dallas won their ring, now I wish they would go irrelevant for decades like before. With Cuban, I don’t think that will be the case. But really the only young player they have is Roddy Boubious. When father time catches up with them, it’s going to catch up with all of them.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
I am happy for
Kidd and Marion, because they really deserved it, but still do not like the Mavs,Spurs,or Hornets. Cuban says he wants to sign everybody back, but I see them moving Haywood and Butler.
by since86rocketsfan on Jun 13, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions
yeah surely they will re-sign Chandler and Barea
but it’s going to be tough to also bring back Butler and Stevenson. I can see them letting those two walk.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
I stayed up last night
since the game started at 2 after midnight here :( and slept with the first rays of the sun, but this was definitely worth it. I disliked the Heat from the bottom of my heart, and Nowitzki was indeed robbed of the championship back in 2006, plus he was epic throughout the series. No more accusations of being soft or un-clutch, or whatever. He really deserved it. Also loved how the Mavs went at it as a team, from Nowitzki to the Custodian.
I just really don't like Terry
Well, the Mavs deserved to win, but they are old I think they will be in a much tougher position than we are right now when they decide to rebuild.
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terry, dirk, and barea are little flopping bitches
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Awesome series
I was more rooting against Miami, rather then rooting for the Mavs. The whole superfriends thing just always rubbed me the wrong way. Plus the constant ESPN and media cheerleading for the Heat at the beginning of the season was really annoying. It’s hard to hate Dirk, but I loathe Jason Terry for all those games he’s torched the Rockets. As a Houstonian I feel it’s my duty to dislike all things Dallas, except when they play a team I hate more.
But like you said, let me know when they have 2 championships. Oh and they have to be back-to-back too.
If D-Wade didnt get hurt in game 5
and miss the 2nd quarter and most of the third, Dallas would have lost.
They are easily the worst championship team in my lifetime. And since they are old and overrated, we wont be hearing from them in the finals again anytime soon.
Now onto things that matter, like getting rid of thabeet and scola and getting ready for football.
( I love scola, but a team like the heat or OKC could really use him, so maybe we can get something)
The 6th seed rockets would have DESTROYED this mavs team
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
Way too much hating man
At least show SOME respect like the other posters did. You can hate and still respect, you know.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
hahahah
You’re blaming the Heat losing 4 (FOUR) games because d-fraud missed a little over a quarter? Reality check – he only played about five minutes less that game than his average minutes in the other games. Plus, he faked it to be more dramatic. Yup, because he missed some minutes in game 5, that is solely the reason the Heat lost game 6. Makes PERFECT sense.
Worst championship team?? hahahah!! if the Heat won you’d be like “They are the GREATEST championship team EVER!!” while you join d-fraud and lejerk in their circle-jerk.
Those old and overrated Mavericks just beat the shit out of the Heat and you come on here talking smack like you know something.
Wade getting hurt like that, if he was really hurt and not "Paul Pierce Hurt"
was simply karma for Wades nasty fouls on everyone else. What comes around goes around and now DWade and WWW can suck on this all summer long.
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not hate as much as truth lol!
they have 0 chance to repeat, and hey, I hate everything dallas.
too much flopping for me to give them any respect.
it was just a no win for me, as i wanted them both to lose.
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
I can see that.
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wade always overblows his "injuries"
i remember in the game at houston where he went for 40+ this season he spent about 5 minutes on the floor before getting up and then continuing to torch us as if nothing happened.
that said, i definitely respect wade more than lebron, if only for the fact that he knows how to talk to the media.
au contraire
if terry and barea played the same way they had played in the playoffs up till then and from game 4 on, the mavs could have seriously swept the finals. terry/barea were horrible until the series moved back to dallas.
Much respect to Dirk, Kidd, and Marion
These are class act guys who did whatever it took at all time during the whole season to win games and it ultimately won them a ring as well. I am so happy for the Mavs. And yes I can finally come out and admit to being a fan because I feel like it can be accepted now.
This was also goo for the NBA in showing all these players that it is about the work you put in and not how many douchebag players you can have on one team. You have to build chemistry and adapt your game from season to season for the betterment of your team. You can’t just come together and party before anything ever happens. The Heat should learn humility from this defeat and make themselves into more well rounded players. They need to work on how to compliment each other better or they will suffer the same result every year.
I hope you guys have all seen what I have been saying about that son of a bitch D Wade. the guy is the biggest pansy and drama queen I have ever seen from a superstar player and guys like him are fucking up the game of basketball. Chris Bosh is also a bitch. No one has heard from his weak ass and he is just showing how much of a weak link he is and he will get traded from this team sooner or later. He will not win a ring in Miami.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
I hear you, but there do seem to be signs he's actually grown up and is marginally human now.
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bosh was actually the one consistent dude for them in the finals
can’t believe he didn’t get more touches in game 6.
Does this championship change our philsophy?
Lots of the board have argued that the Rockets can’t win without at least 2 superstars (and that 3 is the real threshold for a championship contender).
Dallas just shat all over that idea by winning it all with one superstar, and a lot of very good role players (and great coaching) over a team that represents the 3 superstar mold which Boston and the Lakers both used recently.
Does this change anyone’s view of what the rockets need to do to win a championship?
Fight On! Beat everybody but us!
I don't think anyone has been saying we need 2 superstars
But one is a necessity and he should be supported by at least one borderline all-star and very good role players. Coaching has much to do with it as well in that the coach/coaches have to know how to use the players and to devise schemes that put each player in position to be successful on both ends of the floor. Those players have to compliment each other which would help to build chemistry more quickly so that they work in unison.
The 3 superstar shit just makes shit complicated at the end of games because each of them wants the ball but at the same time they don’t want to seem selfish because there are other superstars. You could see at the end of last night’s game that no one for Miami wanted to shoot and I think it was because they were not only having a bad offensive game, but they didn’t know who to get the ball to. To make things worse they just seem like a bunch of guys who were put together because they were good instead of guys who actually compliment each other. They either need to reinvent themselves or someone needs to be traded.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
so with that in mind
Does this give us more, or less confidence in what Morey has done/is trying to do?
Fight On! Beat everybody but us!
I don't know
I’m starting to lose a bit of confidence in him. He has finally freed himself of the shackles of the Yao-Tracy era for good. (Well at least I think for good—-lets see what he does with Yao). He needs to get us a franchise player. We will never go anywhere without one. If he can’t get that done, it’s time to change directions.
why
Because hiring a new GM automatically qualifies you for a franchise player or something? That’s a really dumb reason to lose confidence in Morey.
Good point, I'll still be on the Morey wagon
But this has been eye-opening in the fact that Morey’s strategy might not be the best strategy for a championship.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
doesn't this help validate his strategy?
Lots of good role players, a star (K-Mart), and a lot of assets to trade for a superstar (or the ability to move up in the draft). It shows that a multi-superstar team isn’t the only recipe for success right?
Fight On! Beat everybody but us!
But then again, there comes that question again.
Is K-Mart really a star player? The general feeling is that he’s a perfect #2 option who’s being forced into a #1 role. With Dirk there’s absolutely no question that he’s a #1 option who’s in the right system.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Would you rather have him or Joe Johnson?
How about him or Rudy Gay?
I’d take him in a heartbeat over both, and that’s even before you include salary
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No doubt, I'd take him over Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay
But the point is the Hawks and Grizzlies aren’t exactly the foundation of how to build a championship team. The Hawks are surrounded with all-star talent (Horford, Smith, Johnson) and the Grizzlies have great bigs (Randolph and Gasol) mixed with tough players such as Allen, Battier, and Conley who mesh together to make a team that can win games. Neither of these teams are championship contenders.
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Geez seriously?
No he doesn’t automatically qualify for one. I didn’t say anything like that. Do you think we don’t need a franchise player to win a championship???? He needs to get one. Period. He’s been handcuffed ever since he took over by Yao and Tracy. I understood that. That’s done. It’s probably premature to lose confidence in him. I spoke to soon on that. However, the next few years are where Morey will prove his worth. There are no more handcuffs and he’s got freedom to make moves. I’m not saying he has to do it by next year, but there are no more excuses now.
Couldn't have said it better myself....
I mean how many times are we going to hear “we tried to move up in the draft” or “our goal is to acquire pieces and assets that will land a superstar.” You’re exactly right, no more handcuffs as you put it.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
The Rockets are chock full of borderline all-stars and role players.
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Morey is great at building depth
Just needs to get “the guy”.
Not really...
The one superstar championship team just doesn’t really happen often. Most championship teams have at least 2, or 1 and at least one really good role player who is almost an all-star (maybe just not consistent enough to be one). I don’t think you need 3 at all.
One superstar, depending on how good he is, can make you a perennial playoff team. 2 will make you a perennial championship contender.
Add a superstar to the core of this Rockets team and it gets really interesting
Kevin Martin would be considered a star if paired with another one. I’m positive of that.
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I agree. Imagine a healthy scoring center, for example
and one wide-open 3 after another.
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I've been of this line of thinking for a while.
Kevin is in no way a franchise guy but put him next to a franchise player and Kevin becomes indispensable to your team and gives you the Joe Johnson mirage (Looks like a franchise player only because he’s got great talent around him).
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Glad Cuban got his ring
Seriously, I love the guy. He’s an owner with an attitude, that just really wants to win. Really wish he would have bought the Astros.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
As much as I do not enjoy the Mavs or their fans
It’s good to see those vets finally get their rings. They were definitely over-due for a title. It’ll be a long time before they get another one though.
Side-note: Here is TDS with a large piece of bacon
All right, later dudes. S you in your A’s, don’t wear a C, and J all over your B’s.
by hornedfrogrocket on Jun 13, 2011 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
Like Dave said,
I want to hate the Mavericks, but they played hard, and it reminded me of how we play.
They have my respect.
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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Lesser of two evils
I would rather the Mavs win than the Heat any day of the week.
Ranking
1) Barkley (is in a class with Hakeem and Michael as the best players of the mid 80s to mid 90s)
2) Malone (2 time finalists who only lost to the Bulls and kept the Jazz in the hunt for over a decade)
3) Duncan (4 rings and almost unstoppable except that he should have been a center)
4) Dirk (revolutionized the position and played during the Laker and Spurs dynasties)
5) Garnett (also revolutionized the position but not as much as Dirk and had more supporting help in his own title run)
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by ClutchFanSince94 on Jun 14, 2011 12:00 AM CDT reply actions
And honorable mention to Rodman
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by ClutchFanSince94 on Jun 14, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
And I Still hate Dallas
Sorry, but title or no title, I still hate Dallas and their sports teams. So good for them I guess. Now go back to acting like you are the best to only be smashed by far better teams.
Serial killer eyes does Jason Kid have
1. Hakeem = that is were he played at the start
2. Duncan = fundamental.
3. Len Bias = No.2 to MJ without even playing one game.
4. Charles Barkley = undersized scary his rookie year
5. Bob Pettit = good really good numbers
6. Elvin Hayes = sick
7. Karl Malone = beast although best ever assist man right next to ya?
8. Lurch Kevin McHale not bad high basketball IQ hardly ever F#%^ed up
9. Pau Gasol = best big from europe skilled
10. Dave Debusschere no ring for the knicks without him
Honourable mention:
Dirk Kowoskiski
I would like to put the worm (Rodman) on there but he was just to shit offensively (liability)
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Hakeem never played PF
Oddly enough, Ralph Sampson was the PF when they played together. Sampson had a great jump shot and preferred facing up to being back to the basket.
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I saw him play PF with Sampson they switched depending on matchups.
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But he was the center
He just defended the 4 when it was a tougher matchup than the 5 was on those nights.
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