NBA Mock Draft Update: Predicting The Unpredictability Of The Houston Rockets
Before we embark on yet another marvelous Houston Rockets mock draft journey, let me relay to you a few juicy points from the outside:
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Does Motiejunas Sit Atop Houston's Draft Board?
Ryan Feldman of The Hoops Report decided to touch base with his inner reporter Saturday, dropping the following tidbit as though it were moderately elevated in temperature (Snoop went with "Drop It Like It's Hot," for whatever stupid reason):
The Houston Rockets are very high on Donatas Motiejunas and he appears to be at the top of their draft board. They were the first NBA team to bring him in for a workout in this country, as he visited Houston on Friday. The Sixers are also very high on Motiejunas but they'll likely have to trade up to get him. Motiejunas will not get past the Sixers at No. 16.
Donatas (Southern Pronunciation: "Donut, Us") has not made many appearances on this blog, and that's because he's been busy waiting near the back of the "Next Dirk Nowitzki" line. It's a real hip line at first, the Next Dirk Nowtizki Line, but everyone grows tired of looking at someone stand in line without moving for, oh, five years before eventually leaving. Nobody in that line ever moves to the front. Nobody.
Motiejunas can score the ball, of that there is little doubt. I'm more concerned with the D than with the rest of the Onatas because apparently he can't guard an oak tree to save his life. That said, general managers have always taken gambles on skilled big men with the hope that their physical tools and mental tools will eventually team up to produce a solid defender. Perhaps I could make a similar concession.
Motiejunas could have come out last year, but instead he chose to Dominatas the Italian League for one shining season before jumping across the Atlantic to await his draft fate. As is the norm with tall, sharpshooting European prospects, Motiejunas has been projected to go just about anywhere and could turn out to be just about anyone. DraftExpress currently lists his best case/worst case scenarios as "Pau Gasol/Yi Jianlian." So, in other words, his potential career path encompasses every option listed underneath the heading, "Tall, Living Basketball Players And Dolph Lundgren", because I think Yi Jianlian would lose in a one-on-one game to Dolph Lundgren.
The odd thing about Motiejunas is that of the many Nowitzki impersonators to enter the draft over the last decade, he may be among3 the closest to being able to wear Dirk's jock. Unlike the raw seven-footers of years past who could always shoot a little, run a little and hate whatever situation they were drafted into, Motiejunas has proven himself on the court. During his tenure in Italy and most especially this past season, he wasn't the type to sit on the bench for most of his team's games, only to turn his head towards New York the next year and see 30 general managers oggling him like he was a David Kahn trade offer. Instead, Donatas was the best player on the floor and his numbers showed it. He averaged 20 points per 40 minutes, an impressive number since nobody averages huge bundles of points in European play.
Motiejunas, more so than anyone, would test the "Need vs. Talent" debate. He's the last thing Houston needs right now, but at fourteen, he could be the best pure talent available. The Rockets need player who can rebound the ball and protect the rim on defense. According to scouting reports, those are two of Motiejunas' most glaring weaknesses. He'd also be the third young power forward on the roster, unless the Rockets think they can turn him into a center. Either way, it would only give Houston more trade pieces and could spell the end for Luis Scola or Jordan Hill. That's the two-thousandth time TDS has tried to trade Scola, for those counting at home.
Despite that -- and no matter how obvious it is to me that the Rockets also need a small forward -- Motiejunas' potential is giggle-worthy. He could be a dynamite scorer given his size, touch and shooting ability. Should Houston stay put and take him to close the lottery, if nothing else, I suppose I could celebrate the move's sheer ballsiness.
Once Again, Expect Anything
Daryl Morey wants to move again this year, so expect any combination of the following options:
- Houston trades up
- Houston trades out
- Houston trades players
- Houston go asplode.
Jonathan Feigen has the details:
Morey has made his usual calls to move up from the 14th pick in Thursday's draft and has been open about that being his preference since before the lottery. He can sweeten that sort of deal by including the 23rd pick of the first round, a Magic pick acquired from the Suns in the Aaron Brooks trade.
Morey, however, is chasing other moves, even offering four first-round picks over the next two seasons. He already has traded the Rockets' first-round pick next year to the Nets in the deal to acquire Terrence Williams. But in the search for a foundation player, Morey has offered a combination of picks that could include this season's pick, next season's pick acquired from the Knicks in the Tracy McGrady trade and even the portion of the Rockets' pick next year that is not protected and that they would not be compelled to send to the Nets.
"We have a lot of options on the table," Morey said. "We have four No. 1s we could trade over the next two years. That's our goal, to see if we could pull off something like that."
So, you're telling me that should a wild scenario unfold, I could end up flying to Newark, NJ to cover a draft with which Houston would no longer be heavily associated? Splendid.
"We'll be fine at 14," Morey said. "We'll definitely get a guy we like. We're also trying to move up. We're looking at some trades that involve trading our picks for players. We'd also trade out (of the first round)."
"We think we've got a real good shot to make a decision this year. We're not sure what that decision will be, but make no mistake, I plan on feeding your sources enough conflicting information to leave Woodward and Bernstein lying cross-eyed in a puddle of their own drool."
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Mock draft time. Here's where we currently stand with the experts:
Pick 14
Could Vucevic really go this high? That's the word among a number of NBA GMs who are raving about his workouts. Some have argued that the differences between him and Enes Kanter are very slim.
With the Rockets in desperate need of some size in the paint, Vucevic could be the answer. He's not the world's greatest athlete, but he is skilled, has an NBA body and is ready to play now.
The Rockets have two "pieces of the future" in Kevin Martin and Kyle Lowry. One is an incredible scorer, the other a solid distributor and great defender. What do you need at small forward, then? Another good scorer, or another defender? Singleton is the latter, and that's my bet.
NBA.com -- Kawhi Leonard (I choose this scenario, please)
Houston can't go center here. Ending up with Leonard this late would have to feel like a good value pick.
Draft Express -- Klay Thompson
Standing just under 6-foot-6 without shoes, Thompson is big enough to play the small forward position, and is considered by some to be the best player available at this point.
Houston is reportedly exploring trade options, possibly in hopes of moving up to select Lithuanian Jonas Valanciunas, who will fill a major hole in the middle.
NBADraft.net-- Donatas Motiejunas
Pick 23
ESPN.com -- Darius Morris
We have the Rockets going big with pick No. 14 and we have them going big again at No. 23. Morris is a different kind of big. He's a point guard who towers over the competition. If he were a better shooter he'd be going much, much higher in the draft. But at this point he's a steal.
SB Nation -- Tobias Harris
Harris shouldn't be dropping this far; he's, in my eyes, one of the more exciting prospects in the draft, especially if he's allowed to play small forward in the pros.
Draft Express -- Nikola Vucevic
The Rockets have undersized power forwards galore littering their roster, but the one thing they lack is a lengthy 7-footer with some girth. Enter Vucevic.
He's not a traditional banger but he's the best center available at this point. He comes with the added benefit of being able to space the floor for Kyle Lowry and Kevin Martin to attack the rim or for Luis Scola to operate with his back to the basket.
NBADraft.net -- Darius Morris
Thoughts
-- I don't like Vucevic at fourteen, if only because I think they'll be able to land him later. Assuming Houston picks at fourteen, they could then package the 23rd pick and their second round pick to move up a couple of slots to take Vucevic if he's their guy.
-- If Kawhi Leonard drops to fourteen, I will stand up and cheer gloriously from my seat in the draft room. You'll be able to see it on ESPN.
-- Thompson doesn't make sense with the roster we have now. For my money, Houston needs more two-way players. And if they can't find two-way players, they should start with defense first. If the Rockets take another offensive-minded wing, I'm sure Chase Budinger will be more confused than angry.
I'm Mocking Around The World
I'll be making my second appearance in the annual The Basketball Jones Live Mock Draft, to take place Tuesday at noon CT on their web site. Tune it, it should be a good time.
Also, keep an eye out for the SB Nation mock draft featuring picks from each team blog's editor. You'll be surprised to see who fell to Houston at fourteen.
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Damn, that's a meaty post. I'll have to digest for a while.
I would love Montiejunas at 14. As far as the soft Euro big concerns, Pau and Dirk each have rings.
For awhile I was scared off by the “bad intangibles tag”, but if the FO likes him, I like him.
I also think the Asik/Lee trade eventually happens if we don’t get a defensive big in the draft.
I was talking to cnyrocketsfan about this on facebook the other day that this draft presents us with a very easily observable amnesia phenomenon.
There are two maxims that are generally followed in the NBA Draft when it comes to the Rockets. First, we always draft best player available, not need based. Second, Euros don’t tend to translate with a notable success rate.
The phenomenon here is in all the mock drafts and the tone of the fan. Fans are talking about how the Rockets now should pick to fill need, which we haven’t done under Daryl Morey and the Rockets have made it known that’s how they draft. For some reason this is being ignored under the “need” label because we’re rebuilding. You don’t balk at a guy because you have the position filled if the talent is huge.
On the Euro subject, mock drafts are flying all over the place because of Euro workouts. Euros tend to impress in the workouts and if not for Dirk Nowitzki leading the Mavs to a title this year I don’t think people would be flipping their shit so hard. On the surface of it the Euros all come in with the same problem, they’re softer than geriatric “members”. Sure they can shoot and run but throw a rebound up and they’ll curl up in the fetal position or careen a legit PF at them and they’ll fold like a lawn chair.
This draft is going to be a wild ride because there is absolutely no predictability to it. When people call it weak I just call it potentially surprising since you have guys mocked in the top 10 falling as low as the 20s just a week later and you know what? “Weak” draft classes turn up gems all over the place and they’re not based on where you pick but who, specifically.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
You hit this right on the head
No need to reach for need. If they truly feel he could become the next great Euro player, then maybe they should do it. They just need to take the best player on the board
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 19, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's their website: http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/
Also, here is the link to the live mock from last year: http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2010/06/22/coming-up-the-jones-live-mock-draft-12p/
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
I did not notice the Tuesday part even after the 20 times I read it...
Thanks though Tom :D
But in the search for a foundation player, Morey has offered a combination of picks that could include this season’s pick, next season’s pick acquired from the Knicks in the Tracy McGrady trade and even the portion of the Rockets’ pick next year that is not protected and that they would not be compelled to send to the Nets.
So we’re offering a lotto-only pick next year? Ballsy.
What does the last part mean?
About the Nets?
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 19, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
We have traded our 2012 pick, lotto protected, to the Nets (meaning the Nets own our pick next year if it's between 15 and 30).
If we finish in the lotto again, the Nets will get a pick in the next draft (2013) again lotto protected.
Now, we are trying to trade the part of our 2012 pick not owned by the Nets. The part we still own are picks 1-14.
So according to this report we are offering…
2011: 14th pick and 23rd pick
2012: 1-14 pick (would carry over for a few years, I’m sure)
2012: Knicks pick (if lower than #5)
Sounds like a Dwight Howard play to me.
Yup.
If we grab Dwight, we win championship. I’m convinced. Could a package of four first rounders and Scola do the trick?
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
We'd need to give them more salary than just Scola and considering one of those picks would be 1-14....
I think it’s possible if….. we are talking a non-extended Dwight.
Just worked it out, we'd need around an extra $9.5 Million with Scola to get Dwight.
That could be Thabeet, Miller and Blakely.
So...
- #14 this year (we’d have to pick for them to avoid trading consecutive 1sts)
- #23 this year
- #1-14 next year (or next time we’re in the lotto)
- #5-30 next year (Knicks pick)
- Scola
- Thabeet
- Miller
That looks like an unextended Howard or a Chris Bosh.
"Motiejunas appears to be on the top of their draft board."
That is really, really scary.
We better move up, or else we’ll draft Motiejunas, and I will go nuts on twitter.
I think if Biyombo or Leonard fall to 9 or 10, Morey’s going to go after them.
I pray that one of those two falls.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Why?
Personally I think he should be in the top 5 of this draft. I absolutely love him
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I don't.
We need 2 way players, and Motiejunas isn’t one.
Sure, he’d be great on offense, but we do not need more offense, we need defense.
Now, we may hire the assistant from Memphis and he’ll plug in a good defensive scheme, but if we have Martin, Bud, Scola, and Motiejunas on the court at the same time, we shouldn’t even bother jogging past half court for defense.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
If Daryl believes that Motiejunas has the potential to be an elite player
like it’s being publicized, then “need” goes out the window. Personally, I think it’s more of a smoke screen to teams drafting before Houston. Who knows.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
He would not be an elite player.
He would be an elite offensive player.
He would be the Kevin Martin of PF’s. He would score a lot but do very little else.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Stout guarantees aren't the smart approach, sir.
You may not think he can be an elite player, but to flat-out say it like you’ve seen the future is overstepping your bounds.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Sorry.
He’s unlikely to do anything else but score.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I will never second guess a Daryl Morey pick...
he has shown that in this area he knows what he’s doing. I think you’re being quick to assume that he’s not going to be an impactful player. Think about the mis-matches with his size, or bringing opposing big men out to guard the perimter. It opens everything up.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
by jake_471 on Jun 19, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't say he would be an impact player.
I said he would be an impact on the offensive end, and a liability on the defensive end. Thus, I brought up the Kevin Martin comparison. Great scorer, bad defender.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Dirk rebounds
and is a decent defender.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 20, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't get over this Chron quote.
Morey, however, is chasing other moves, even offering four first-round picks over the next two seasons. He already has traded the Rockets’ first-round pick next year to the Nets in the deal to acquire Terrence Williams. But in the search for a foundation player, Morey has offered a combination of picks that could include this season’s pick, next season’s pick acquired from the Knicks in the Tracy McGrady trade and even the portion of the Rockets’ pick next year that is not protected and that they would not be compelled to send to the Nets.
Foundation player offer from Morey:
- #14 this year (we’d have to pick for them to avoid trading consecutive 1sts)
- #23 this year
- #1-14 next year (or next time we’re in the lotto)
- #5-30 next year (Knicks pick)
- Players to match a max salary (at least one of Martin, Lowry or Scola)
Bosh or Howard?
Please not Bosh..
1. He’s not worth all that
2. That makes the Heat better and that’s always a bad thing
Just trying to put all the recent rumors together.
Bosh to Houston’s been rumored and last week Howard told the Magic he’s gone if they don’t have a championship roster before he’s a free agent.
I think a Howard deal like that means he comes unsigned.
Also, with the new CBA Howard may pick up his option year in 2013.
So, I’d do that deal for an unsigned Howard or Bosh.
Not to mention
Houston and Orlando have a history of trading together,w/Morey and Orl GM having dealt w/each other before on Alston deal.
Even though there is just about zero chance of it happening in real life.
That Feigen rumor points to Morey chasing something big, though.
It would be a much better deal than the GSW one from the other day.
Not a Bosh fan
But I actually came away from the finals impressed by him more than I ever have been
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Riley is supposedly
spreading word he’s NOT breaking up Big 2.75 :) much to disappointment of other GMs.
It's quantity not quality
Yeah it’s 4 Firsts,but they’re pretty crappy picks for an established Franchis/Fundamental building block. A 14 and a 23 this yr,a top 5 protected Knicks pick and the Lottery portion of 2012 if Rockets fail to make Playoffs. But what are chance of the Rockets being one of the worst 5 teams next yr and/or the Knicks having the 6th worst record next yr? Would you trade away your Franchise Player for a handful of middling First Rd picks?
OTOH,it’s a heck of a package for a team looking to rebuild and that has a couple of top picks this yr. Besides Cavs(heck the #1 could even be in play-think Cavs might not be thrilled w/who’s at #1 and would be happy taking the BPA at #4,adding a solid role player at 14 and getting a couple more shots at the 2012 Draft?),Utah’s #3 might be the target. Besides watching heads explode all over Rocket fandom,Utah might like getting Jimmer and Singleton and having two picks next yr to cover their own 2012 traded away.(And they can sell the #23 like they always do w/extra late Rd Firsts,either pocket the money,or for a future First.)
If Morey sees one of the guys in this yrs Draft as a Foundation player,and his current players don’t fit the other team’s needs,throwing massive numbers of Firsts at them might do the trick.
Yeah, not a great package, but if Orlando's looking to cash in on Dwight, now's the time.
If Orlando holds on to him and fails to win a championship in the next two years, they’ll get Cleveland’d. Might as well do it now because they have no picks or cap room to improve a team that lost in the first round.
Since he’s already declared his plan to go through free agency any team that trades for him now is risking losing it all in 1 or 2 years.
GS just offered Ellis, Biedrins and Udoh. That’s not great, but I bet it’s in the range, especially if they would take on one of Orlando’s many bad contracts.
Howard has been saying the right things though. As long as the fan still think Orlando has a decent chance of signing him, it is suicide to trade him. Sure there’s a risk of getting Cleveland’d, but that’s not the worst thing that can happen. Cleveland got to pin the blame on LeBron. If you proactively trade away your superstar, there is nobody to blame.
by seanbergmanrules on Jun 20, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, tough situation for Orlando.
Even if we were able to trade for him unsigned, I’m not sure if we should.
beautiful
If we don’t trade, move up, or move out….Motijunas is the guy i want to see Houston taking
and i think he has the tools to play the 5…
I don't think Motiejunas can play the five, personally.
Then again, it also depends who plays the four when Motiejunas is on the floor. I’d rather not use my center on the perimeter — where Motiejunas is most comfortable — but then again, if Luis Scola or another interior player can take advantage of a mismatch in the post and snag offensive rebounds a la the Mehmet Okur/Carlos Boozer tandem in Utah, it could work.
The difference here, though, is that Okur was a deceptively good defender. Motiejunas hasn’t shown near that same ability.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
i think he has the ability to be developed
into a better defender and he allready looks like hes adding muscle…i just think that if we stay at 14 and take him, that he has alot of upside, maybe the most out of any of the bigs in the draft…
Also i doubt we’ll see Scola in our starting lineup next season, so we could see him playing next to Hayes and Patterson
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
While he may have the ability to be developed on the defensive end,
it’s going to take a long ass time to do it.
Like I said in the post below, Motiejunas lacks both the fundamentals and the physical tools to be a good defender/rebounder.
He’s 7 feet, and even though we need size, he plays like he’s 6-7.
We need a guy who can both bang in the paint and who can play immediately. The guy who I’ve lobbied for is Nikola Vucevic, who has all of the physical tools and fundamentals. His ceiling isn’t as high as Motiejunas’ ceiling, but he can be a good player in this league while not taking a long time to develop.
I feel more comfortable with Vucevic because not only does he have the physical tools and fundamentals, he has the numbers to back it up. He averaged 17 points, 10 rebounds, and 1.5 blocks last season while playing 35 minutes a game. Motiejunas averaged 25 minutes a game and averaged 13 points, but he averaged just 4.4 rebounds and .4 blocks.
Even though we are rebuilding, we already have enough projects at PF/C, mainly Thabeet and Hill.
Take Vucevic, who gives us legitimate size in the paint, unlike Motiejunas. He also fills our gap at center for this year. We have Thabeet, but he’s a year away from playing 30 minutes per game.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
The whole Thabeet argument goes out the window now
when you say “it’s going to take a long ass time to do it.” By that reasoning, the 12 million dollar gamble Houston took on Hasheem this offseason cannot be justified.
The Rockets can “wait” for Thabeet to be ready, but they cannot "wait’ for Motiejunas to improve defensively? And then you say Thabeet is another year away from playing 30 mpg? Yet everyone bitches about why he’s not on the floor? There is no “wait” for Thabeet. If he doesn’t step up and do shit this season, he’s a goner, they will not pick up the option. Swiss cheese.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
Incoming shitstorm... Thabeet and his now 12 million dollar contract (Somehow he got himself a 7 million dollar raise)!
Also, apparently defense is easier to teach than offense and game experience lessons!
I’m only leaving this one catty comment because let’s face it, you love to complain about Thabeet’s contract wherever possible. Literally all Bone said about him was “He’s a year away from logging heavy minutes” and you found room to start throwing a fit about him in a discussion that doesn’t even involve him.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
C'mon guy, you know better than that....
the Thabeet deal was a 12 million dollar trade. If that deal doesn’t happen, we don’t have a non-productive 5 million dollar guy on our roster, and we have Shane’s 7 plus expiring. So technically, it was more than a 12 million dollar move. Yes, we did get a 2013 pick also, I know.
As far as the “year away from logging heavy minutes” idea…. Well Bone is offering that we would have to “wait” for Motiejunas to develop. This is a rebuilding team I thought. When you justify the Hasheem trade and say you’re willing to “wait,” you cannot throw out the same argument for someone else. It’s contradictory. Can’t have it both ways.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
And you shouldn't constantly tow a vendetta against a guy for bullshit reasons.
Yet you keep doing it, so I don’t think you’re one to give advice.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Sorry for not being a flip-flopper
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
LOL YOU GO MAN!!! (Even though your math is completely wrong and bad...)
how is thabeet taking away 12 mil? He earns 5 and we traded Shane’s 7 to get him…therefore we net a 2 million dollar profit…therefore you are wrong when you imply that the thabeet trade has a 12 million dollar contract and that his trade was a 12 million dollar move….seriously man, I know a four year old that does better math than you (no bs)
ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're killing yourself dude....
If that deal doesn’t get done…. Shane’s 7 million expires from our roster. That means, neither HT or Shane is a Rocket, and Houston is way more flexible with the payroll. They would have 3 picks and about a 40 million dollar payroll, a picture perfect scenario. We net a 2 million dollar profit? LMAO.
note – never said anything about a 12 million dollar contract. But it was a 12 million dollar trade as far as Houston’s cap goes. Because the deal was made, Memphis was able to lock up Randolph to a ridiculous amount during the playoffs, and they could afford to do that because they now can also match any offer given to Gasol. This isn’t made up, it’s a fact.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
Did anyone ask you to change your opinion or stop bringing shit up where it doesn't fit?
If you chose the latter then you’ve won and your comment is completely whiny.
Also, if you want to talk about picking and choosing you shit on Thabeet saying he’s unmotivated but in advocating Montejunas, even if it is for discussion purposes, you will have to deal with the fact that he’s widely understood as not giving a shit about basketball.
Also, trades don’t compound, it wasn’t a 12 million dollar swing, it’s a 2 million dollar net hit on our payroll that will go away after this season if we don’t extend a qualifier. I’m not quite sure you understand how salaries work if you’re blowing smoke out of your ass. Especially when you consider even if we shed ourselves down to 40 mil that’s assuming no re-signing anyone on our roster and that Houston is a hot bed of free agent signings. I don’t know how high of a regard you hold Brad Miller in but I don’t think he’s opening the flood gates for worthwhile guys.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
2 points....
1. Montiejunas – I don’t know a lot about the guy, just some youtube stuff and a couple scouting reports. However, If Daryl is high on him, I am high on him. He has proven that when it comes to drafting, he knows what he’s doing.
2. Thabeet – Forever it’s been you have go give him time for him to develop and this and that.. Now all of a sudden, we don’t have the time to “wait” for another player Daryl Morey is high on. Either overnight the stance has changed to needing to win now, or the reasoning for not taking Donatas is contradictory.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
To clarify your points.
1.) If you’re talking about not having it both ways either have faith in Daryl or don’t. You’re forcing people to take that approach on the Thabeet issue, why should you be exempt on the Morey issue? You’re looking at one factor and treating it as carte blanche acceptance, the same should be expected of your opinion, but you will dismiss this.
2.) It still is develop and work, he’s not expected to be able to take starter’s minutes off the bat. This isn’t new. You noticing it is, but the stance isn’t. New to you is not new, sorry about you 97 Dodge Neon.
As far as the reasons for not taking him: Lacks rebounding and defense, the position is already well stocked, defense is tougher to instill than offense, passion for the game is lacking, typical Euro in that he will score and shoot and do little else, large contract to buyout if you want him over here.
Go ahead and say we’re complaining about development time but there are reasons there for not taking him and you’ll harp one.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I'm quick to point out Morey's mistakes
because it is results based right? However, I have openly said the entire time that I trust him drafting. His PR, lip service, desperation, and recent approach to finding a head coach to conditionally accept a job has me second guessing.
As far as Thabeet goes, he’s gone from the next Mutumbo to a project to a player who made money match in a trade to now a player who’s not ready when he’s the only healthy center on the roster. Sorry, I call it how is and will refuse to flip-flop.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
I bet your shit smells like potpurri too.
You never manage to make a mistake nor do your standards get to apply to you. The feel on Thabeet has always been develop him. Mutombo projections can still be achieved because he’s not expected to haul ass.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
the Thabeet thing has just gotton silly...
I mean the pouting and whining when he goes to the d-league. Then gets called back up and doesn’t play and several rants are heard on TDS. Now, if he ever had a shot with the Rockets, his time would be this upcoming season, and now he’s “not ready.” Hasheem huggers change their stance more than Obama.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
Last post because you just don't get it.
He deserves a shot, he’s not ready for starter’s minutes but he’s ready for a significant increase in minutes. You also fail to understand that a change in circumstances or context makes a world of difference. Then again you’d probably take a howitzer duck hunting just because you don’t want to “flip-flop” eh?
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-TCWIR paraphrased
It's going to take a long ass time for Motiejunas because he lacks both the physical tools and the fundamentals to be a good defender/rebounder.
Thabeet just lacks the fundamentals.
Like it or not, which you clearly do not, Thabeet is one of the biggest projects in NBA history. I said he’s not ready for 30 minutes because those are normally starter’s minutes.
Yes, we bitched about not seeing him for even 5 minutes. Sorry that we want to see him for 20 minutes, but not for 30. It’s called not rushing him and lowering his confidence.
Stop trying to find an excuse to bash Thabeet even further. You’ve really worn it out.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
what if we give him thirty for half a season?
Tell him that worst case worst, he’ll go back to second string…I really think he just needs floor time…
ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just don't like when people like to have it both ways...
With the whole, he’s not ready to log heavy minutes, but wtf he’s not even playing. This isn’t college where you incorporate a freshman during 3-4 minute intervals. There’s rotations, and those rotations have continuity. But of course, what does Rick Adelman and Lionel Hollins know?
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
we are a rebuilding team
why would you rather have a player with less upside (vucevic) than a player who you admitedly said has a higher ceiling (motijunas)?!
we’re rebuilding and dont need someone that can contribute right away!
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Because you want to be semi-competent, not overload a particular position, and need the guy to be two way, not one track.
Montejunas is a one track guy. His ceiling is higher because this league appreciates offensive players, which Donatas is. Vucevic is more prone to play both ways and actually be useful on defense and offense. We’re overstocked on PFs as it is and neither of them will slide over to center easily. You have projects at the 4 and 5, and overflow of 4’s with a guy who showed he’s worth the starting spot last year (Patterson), stop overloading it, address the SF position so you get BPA and need filled.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
+1
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
ive been assuming
that we get rid of scola and have patterson playing starter minutes…in that case we have donatas at 15 minutes or so…
and i dont understand, iif you want to draft a sf, thats purely a need-draft move, not a bpa move…drafting a pf/c high on ur draft board would be a bpa move
and i also think motijunas can turn into a 5 with work, but i guess we’ll just agree to disagree on that
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Really? You're calling this draft a BPA draft in regards to a PF/C?
We have Chuck Hayes, Jordan Hill, and Patrick Patterson that also play the 4. This draft is super saturated with the 1-3 position. If you want to go BPA it will be at the 1-3 position, the PF/Cs in this draft are weak at best and not worth reaching for at our position (The ones that would be available).
Going for a SF addresses both need AND BPA, whereas going for a big is stretching and calling it a need pick. Morey has shown for several years that even if he is desperate, he’s not stupid. Reaching for a big and praying you can translate him to a Center is stupid.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
did u read this post?
houston may have motijunas very high on their draft board, probably higher than singleton, harris, etc.
if morey has motijunas that high and feels he can be good than hes probably going to take him rather than a sf who would potentially fill a need as a defensive wing but isnt higher than motijunas on houstons board…
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I did, and as I am blessed with the gift of common sense I realize that if he's off the board then he cannot be selected.
We’re free to disagree with assessment and decisions, that’s part of what fan discussion is predicated on. In my opinion go BPA and Need and get a SF, a soft Euro with an offensive game who won’t play the 5 spot gives us a guy who might score better than Patrick Patterson and won’t defend as well. We get a guy with slightly better offense than Jordan Hill but less defensive intensity and bulk than Jordan. What does Donatas do that we don’t already get from youngsters on our current roster?
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-TCWIR paraphrased
we have different views on Donatas' potential
i think he can bulk up and turn into a Marc Gasol type of player with a better jumper
you see him, at best, as Andrea Bargnani, like another soft euro big who shys away from the thought of going up for a rebound
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Gasol???
He’s 260.
The most I see Motiejunas getting to is 235.
Some guys just can’t bulk up that much.
Prime example: Kevin Martin
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
in the comparison, i meant once he bulked up
his low post style of play would be comparable to gasols gritty style of play but he would also have a better jumper…i think motiejunas is going to be a type of player that the league has never really seen before, a hardnosed euro who can do it all and he will be real versatile offensively
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
Motiejunas may be a tough player, but he’s not going to bang inside like Gasol does.
And I’m not sure about a do-it-all player. He’s got a ton of work to do to if he wants to be one.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
he does have a ways to go to be a do-it-all player
but alot of great players did also
i find dwayne wade to be a good comparison even though they’re totally different in their game
d-wade, coming out of college, was a player not really comperable to any player in the nba…a 6 foot 3 shooting gaurd who needed to work on his jumper and many werent sure if he could keep up with opposing sg’s height…and he’s turned out to be the best blocking gaurd in NBA history
the way i find it comperable is because both had a unique game that looked raw because both are players the league hasn’t really seen before
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
and i do think he has already bulked up to 230-235
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
from what im hearing
hes added 15 lbs of muscle during this whole pre-draft process
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a start.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind if we got rid of Scola for Motiejunas,
but I strongly disagree about transforming Motirjunas into a 5. He’s been on the perimeter his entire career, and I doubt he’s going to bang with the 5s in his future.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
this will come down to
what morey and co. see best fits him and his style of play
and i dont doubt that he can bang with 5s in the low post in his future
by Samarth Sulhan on Jun 19, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.
I see a 0% chance of him banging inside with the 5s, at least successfully.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Just because he wants to bang inside doesn't necessarily give him the ability to.
Motiejunas is a brittle 217 pounds.
He may stand at 7 feet, but that won’t give the edge against a 6-9 240 pound player.
Most 4s are 235+, and most 5s are 250+. He has a ton of work to do in the weight room.
An example of someone who has the same physical tools as Motiejunas is Ed Davis. Motiejunas is 7 feet 215, and Davis is 6-10 215. Motiejunas averaged a pathetic 4.4 rebounds in the Italian League this year. Davis averaged 7.1 rebounds this year. Now, I will give Motiejunas some slack because he hangs around the perimeter, and Davis does not. However, a fairly significant gap between 7.1 and 4.4 tells me one thing: Motiejunas lacks defensive fundamentals, such as boxing out. The DraftExpress scouting report on him also says he’s a poor rebounder.
You keep on saying he’s adding muscle, yet I see no proof. You can make a case saying Dirk was a skinny guy when he came into the NBA, and he’s turned out very well. However, when Dirk came into the NBA, he already had good fundamentals. In his 2nd season, where he finally started getting significant minutes, he averaged 6.5 rebounds per game. Then, he grabbed 9 rebounds per game in his 3rd season. Dirk was raw when he came in, but he had decent fundamentals. They coached him up and his rebounds went from 6 to 9.
Here’s the thing: Motiejunas is absolutely pathetic at rebounding. He’s not going to start out at 6 like Dirk did. Considering he averaged only 4.4 against significantly weaker competition in Europe leads me to think he’ll do far worse here.
My point is this: He’s a big project. While he may have a polished offensive game, he lacks the ability to defend and to rebound. He’s not a guy like Thabeet who is 7-3 265, but lacks the fundamentals. On top of lacking those fundamentals, he clearly lacks the physical tools.
This may be a bit much, but I wanted to fully explain why I do not want him at all.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is where I disagree.
You keep on saying he’s adding muscle, yet I see no proof.
Why add muscle when you’re playing Euroball? Motiejunas was best served on the run – he had no need to hit the weightroom when it would only slow him down and take away from his ability to keep up with the competition.
You can make a case saying Dirk was a skinny guy when he came into the NBA, and he’s turned out very well. However, when Dirk came into the NBA, he already had good fundamentals. In his 2nd season, where he finally started getting significant minutes, he averaged 6.5 rebounds per game. Then, he grabbed 9 rebounds per game in his 3rd season. Dirk was raw when he came in, but he had decent fundamentals. They coached him up and his rebounds went from 6 to 9.
We need to stop assuming that each European who doesn’t live up to Dirk is going to be branded a failure. That’s just too much to ask.
Motiejunas won’t ever average nine rebounds per game in NBA competition, but that’s not to say that he won’t be able to average a modest six or seven. Given the offensive output he could produce, that’s not a bad tradeoff.
Here’s the thing: Motiejunas is absolutely pathetic at rebounding. He’s not going to start out at 6 like Dirk did. Considering he averaged only 4.4 against significantly weaker competition in Europe leads me to think he’ll do far worse here.
I’d like proof that Dirk’s late-nineties German league was a significantly better league than the Italian League A. Please provide this, and I’ll believe you.
My point is this: He’s a big project. While he may have a polished offensive game, he lacks the ability to defend and to rebound. He’s not a guy like Thabeet who is 7-3 265, but lacks the fundamentals. On top of lacking those fundamentals, he clearly lacks the physical tools.
I think he’s the complete opposite. He’s a project in that he will need to hit the weight room and learn to box out. That’s it. The rest of his game is solid. I don’t see why he lacks the physical tools to rebound either. His length and size place him taller than most power forwards and if he puts on some muscle, there’s a chance he could improve significantly.
Everyone has been quick to compare Motiejunas to Andrea Bargnani, but I think there’s a difference between the two that has gone rather unnoticed: Bargs went number one overall. Motiejunas won’t have to work under those high expectations (nor will he be able to rest easy under a nice contract). In fact, Motiejunas stayed overseas an extra year solely to work on his game and improve. They say that Lithuanians are as tough as they come in Europe, and given what Motiejunas has said in interviews, it sounds like he’s ready to put in whatever work will be necessary to be a good player.
I’m not wild about him to Houston, either, but there’s no sense in completely dismissing the guy when he could turn out to be very good.
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by Tom Martin on Jun 19, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's where I disagree:
Why add muscle when you’re playing Euroball? Motiejunas was best served on the run – he had no need to hit the weightroom when it would only slow him down and take away from his ability to keep up with the competition.
Why not add muscle when playing Euroball? Especially when you know you’re going to go to the NBA and play against stronger athletes. Since when does adding 5 or 10 pounds of muscle significantly slow you down? Kanter and Valanciunas are both 6-11 235+, and are very mobile big men. Kanter’s not even that athletic.
I’d like proof that Dirk’s late-nineties German league was a significantly better league than the Italian League A. Please provide this, and I’ll believe you.
Dirk’s 6.5 rebounds per game was in his second NBA season, not while he was in Europe.
I think he’s the complete opposite. He’s a project in that he will need to hit the weight room and learn to box out. That’s it. The rest of his game is solid. I don’t see why he lacks the physical tools to rebound either. His length and size place him taller than most power forwards and if he puts on some muscle, there’s a chance he could improve significantly.
That’s my problem, he’s a PF. We do not need another PF. He may have excellent skill on the offensive end, but we do not need more offense. Like you said, we need more two way players. Does Motiejunas have the potential to be a good defender? Yes. But it will take longer than I would like to develop his defensive skills.
Everyone has been quick to compare Motiejunas to Andrea Bargnani, but I think there’s a difference between the two that has gone rather unnoticed: Bargs went number one overall. Motiejunas won’t have to work under those high expectations (nor will he be able to rest easy under a nice contract). In fact, Motiejunas stayed overseas an extra year solely to work on his game and improve. They say that Lithuanians are as tough as they come in Europe, and given what Motiejunas has said in interviews, it sounds like he’s ready to put in whatever work will be necessary to be a good player.
I could really care less about his mentality or how Lithuanians are regarded as tough players. He said he’s willing to put in work, but I go back to what I said earlier, it will take longer to develop him than it would to complete Nikola Vucevic’s all-around game. We are rebuilding, but Motiejunas is a PF, and a defensive project, two things that we have enough of.
I’m not completely dismissing him. I admit that he’s an attractive player. He could develop into an elite offensive player, but I prefer that we take a two way player who is a center. Vucevic isn’t going to be a great defender, but he’s not going to be a bad one.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is where I disagree again.
Why not add muscle when playing Euroball? Especially when you know you’re going to go to the NBA and play against stronger athletes. Since when does adding 5 or 10 pounds of muscle significantly slow you down? Kanter and Valanciunas are both 6-11 235+, and are very mobile big men.
A few problems here:
1. Motiejunas’ primary job when playing for a European team is to focus on that European team. What lurks beyond in the NBA can wait. He went back and to do what he could to improve both his game and his numbers, and he did just that. As a result, he’s looking at a nice draft selection.
2. If you don’t think adding 5 to 10 pounds of muscle makes a big difference, why are you so adamant that he’ll fail due to a lack of said muscle? If 5 to 10 pounds of muscle doesn’t slow him down significantly, it can’t possibly make a significantly positive impact, or else that’d be a heck of a paradox.
3. Kanter and Valanciunas don’t play the perimeter. They need muscle down low to play the five. And if you want to take my words and say that Kanter isn’t a center, I’ll have you know that he doesn’t have three-point range and is better suited down low, regardless of his position. Motiejunas doesn’t play the five, as I’ve said before.
Dirk’s 6.5 rebounds per game was in his second NBA season, not while he was in Europe.
So, now — in defending Dirk’s perceived softness on the glass before he went to the NBA — you’re going to use NBA numbers against Motiejunas’ European numbers? The Euro game and the American game are very different. If you want to make a pre-draft comparison, you need to be consistent in using pre-draft numbers.
That’s my problem, he’s a PF. We do not need another PF. He may have excellent skill on the offensive end, but we do not need more offense. Like you said, we need more two way players. Does Motiejunas have the potential to be a good defender? Yes. But it will take longer than I would like to develop his defensive skills.
If Donatas is indeed atop Houston’s draft board, they’ll happily make room for him on the roster by shifting around other parts. As I said before, this is the ultimate need vs. talent debate, but if Houston has said all along that they prefer talent over need, they’ll go in that direction. The front office, I suspect, would rather take a player whom they trust and like over taking someone who fits a need but didn’t necessarily WOW them to the same degree. Two-way players are nice, but this won’t be the last move Houston makes. They’ll have their hand at more two-way players should they decide Donatas is their man.
I could really care less about his mentality or how Lithuanians are regarded as tough players. He said he’s willing to put in work, but I go back to what I said earlier, it will take longer to develop him than it would to complete Nikola Vucevic’s all-around game. We are rebuilding, but Motiejunas is a PF, and a defensive project, two things that we have enough of.
I’d like the number of days, weeks or years that you think separate Vucevic’s development and Motiejunas’ development, please. It doesn’t matter how much of something we have: if Houston thinks they can upgrade that specific “something,” they’ll happily do it.
Also:
1. It’s “couldn’t care less.” Fix that.
2. If you don’t think his mentality plays into his development, I would take a hard look at your criteria for evaluating players. Mentality and the desire to work hard and get better have always made or broken prospects. It matters.
Make sure you keep noting what you prefer or perceive over what you deem to be written in stone. Everything that you deem to be 100% true essentially needs to be able to be fact-checked or empirically defendable.
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It's hard to make a point.
He just kicks my ass every time.
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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I know the feeling
I’m not stupid (I’m at Rice), but my brother went to Princeton and is a freaking genius. When we play basketball, I can kick his ass; but, in the realm of academia or intellect, he usually has me beat.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 20, 2011 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Well,
I’d be ok if we got rid of Scola to make room for Motiejunas.
I’d also like to move Martin, but I’d take moving one over moving none.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 19, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
CS
I think that Morey will not move up on draft night and be content to steal Chris Singleton with the 14th pick. If he’s not there, there will be other options (Harris, Thompson, Hamilton), but I think he’ll be there and Daryl is smart enough to realize this kid’s upside where many others don’t. I mean, has anybody seem this kid’s measureables? A 6-9 3MAN? 7-1 wingspan and a 37 inch vertical? GOD BLESS AMERICA ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME? Go ahead, look through the current NBA rosters and find how many 3’s can say that? Offensively, he needs some work, defensively some technical adjustments, but has already shown to be an excellent defender and had a good coach in college in Leonard Hamilton (more important than people realize).
Much has been said about needing to improve the D, and rightfully so. This kid will be BPA and fill a need. To top it off, get some gunslinger mentality and take Tyler at 23, and we will have had an EXCELLLENT draft.
I agree, Singleton looks likes like a real high floor/ high ceiling prospect.
I think his athleticism and defensive will carry over to the NBA. Now all he needs is a good spot up jump shot and he’s good enough to start for 10 years on a championship caliber team. If he develops an offensive game beyond that, he’s a second tier star.
I don't think he has the ability to develop a good offensive game.
Outside of spotting up from 3, he can’t do anything else. Sure, he can throw down some nice dunks, but he has no balance, and his handles are no better than Trevor Ariza’s. Plus, he takes bad shots.
I’m not sure you can teach balance and handles at this point in a player’s career.
However, his defensive versatility is something we desperately need, so I would love to take him at 14. Not sure he’s worth moving up for though.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 20, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
He sounds a lot like a bigger Ariza, which would be a solid starter for us (if he accepted his role).
The question is, does BPA mean higher ceiling or higher floor? In my opinion, Morey has drafted the higher floor.
Maybe that changes this year because of our longer time frame for contending (Yao is no longer seen as a possible savior).
Higher floor: Montiejunas (the rarer athlete)
Higher ceiling: Singleton (the proven prototype)
Oops, forgot to say...
I think the bad shots were due to his being seen as the go-to guy on a horrible offensive team (again kind of like Ariza).
No, I think his poor shot selection was natural.
He pulls up instead of going to the basket in transition, and when he does go to the basket, he picks his spots poorly. When he drives to the basket, he’s out of control more times than not. That’s due to his poor combination of bad balance and freak athleticism. Something that Ariza has.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 20, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I can only judge the whoever we pick on results.
Just that simple.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.

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