Is Daryl Morey the LeBron James of General Managers?
Short answer: Maybe.
Long answer:
Let's get one thing straight: Kawhi Leonard, though impressively large-handed and very good on defense, was not going to lead the Rockets to a championship next season. Ditto for Chris Singleton. And Marcus Morris. Or even Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams.
We all know Daryl Morey must have some kind of magic powers. He took a team that was receiving sizable contributions the year before from such cancers as Rafer Alston and Luther Head, as well as Bonzi Wells and Juwan Howard. He turned Vassilis Spanoulis into Luis Scola, etc. I could go on for a long time, but I refuse. We know what moves Morey has made to turn this team into a better group of players. He's got trade assets crawling out of the floor of the Toyota Center. It is known.
But maybe, just maybe, Daryl Morey is the LeBron James of NBA GMs.
Please follow me after the jump to read the rest of what might be my last post here if some of the higher-ups deem this banhammer-worthy. Just kidding, I hope.
Like most of the other commenters last night in the draft thread (which was awesome by the way; if you weren't there, you missed out), I was shocked by the Marcus Morris pick. Like Tom, my school is in the Big XII (is it Big X now?) and I've seen plenty of the Morris twins. And as much as I want to believe Marcus can play the three, I don't see it. The guy is a power forward from what I've seen. Though Tom knows him better than I do, so if he says it, I'm willing to withhold judgment for now.
I know Donatas "The Count of" Montiejunas reminds me of David Andersen, though Patrick made sure I watched some footage to see that the DA never played defense like Edmond Dantes can. And yes, the Count of Monte Cristo references are going to keep coming all year. It's one of my favorite books and movies. Get used to it.
Chandler Parsons hit a ton of game winners at Florida a couple of years ago. So, there's that.
But back to Morey. At least twice a year I'll be reading a mailbag by Ian Thomsen or some other writer and someone will ask, "Why does Daryl Morey get so much credit? The Rockets are (insert mediocre record here) and look like they're going nowhere. (Insert GM whose owner loves to spend money) is way better by comparison and has his team on the verge of a championship."
I want to punch those people. Did those green-lit GMs (Donnie Nelson, Mitch Kupchak, Danny Ferry with the Cavs) have two huge contracts for often-injured players when they came aboard? Did they have RAFER ALSTON RUNNING THEIR TEAM? Were you dropped on your head at birth? Have you even heard of a salary cap? Lots of questions come to mind. However, sooner rather than later it appears the naysayers are going to have a point, although indirectly. And then it hit me.
Daryl Morey is the GM equivalent of LeBron James.
He's considered by most experts to be one of the best GMs (if not the best) in the league. At least once a year he makes a move that shocks you. For the longest time he had to work with spare bits and parts to make his team relevant. He still has one glaring weakness (post game for LeBron, superstar for Morey). He teases you with his ability but always delivers the goods yet still leaves you wanting more. And, they both seemingly shrink in the proverbial fourth quarter. Don't make me mention the crazy nicknames, either. Chosen One? Resident Boy Genius?
Finally, it's put-up or shut-up time for both. I easily could have written this piece last year and it would have worked then, too. But it's just as relevant today as it was then. Morey has the pieces. Tons of them. He needs at least one more. Will he take it? We'll probably have to wait until a new CBA is signed to find out.
I have a hard time believing other GMs wouldn't be willing to pull the trigger to land a stud. Morey seems to be waiting for the perfect trade, but he needs to learn the same thing ClutchFans commenters have struggled with for years: there is no such thing as a perfect trade, especially for a team like the Rockets.
Carroll Dawson wasn't a great GM, but he took chances. Some worked and some backfired. Nevertheless, he kept the Rockets relevant and exciting. Rebuilding year? How does Morey expect to rebuild with 13 guys who deserve playing time? Heck, the Rockets could pull off some kind of 6-players-for-1 trade and still have good depth.
The time is now, because as it stands right now next year's team won't be a rebuilding team. They'll be the exact same team we've seen for the past two years. Morey seems lost, and he's literally one more power forward from asking, "What should I do?"
And to prove that I still like Morey and want him to succeed, I'll link to this Kelly Dwyer piece from 2009 that I must have read ten times in total, because it not only gives me hope for the future but reminds us all how great Morey is at evaluating talent. The time for evaluation is done now. It's time to go all-in.
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Nice write-up..
and I agree. So far Daryl has been all hat and no cattle. A poser or fraud in other words. It is time for him to make the deal. The people who wait for the absolute “perfect” scenario, are the crazy, creepy 40 year old guys on dating sites who put up pictures of their cats. Ok those are two totally different applications, but you get the picture.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
I don't think he's been a poser
He’s just been a guy who, for lack of a better euphemism, hasn’t had the balls to pull the trigger. Is there another GM I’d rather have? No. But pretty soon that answer could change.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
that's the thing...
“hasn’t had the balls to pull the trigger”……
To be a gm, that’s a prerequisite.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
When has he failed to pull the trigger? Is there an awesome move he was offered, but he didn’t bite on because it wasn’t perfect?
by seanbergmanrules on Jun 25, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
My only problem with that line
Is that I don’t think he’s had a move to make. Other than a potential move for Melo (which would’ve been a rental and a bad decision), what moves did he have to make?
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 25, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously Hill, Budinger, Thabeet and Miller for Dwight Howard, but Morey just wouldn’t pull the trigger….
by seanbergmanrules on Jun 25, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
No
but I’m just saying he needs to make a move happen before it’s too late.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
It actually takes two GMs to make a move.
by seanbergmanrules on Jun 25, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
With that argument,
you are offering that he has tried and failed. Right now, you can only crown him with an A for effort, and that’s all. This is a what have you done for me lately results based business, not a 30 year IRA. Carroll Dawson traded for T-Mac, he’s also backed up a brinks truck to Stromile Swift’s house. As a fan you can live with that because he’s tried. I don’t mean to get all after school special here, but sometimes you have to take that leap, and live with the consequences of landing or decapitation.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
Ok, then what leaps has he had to make if he wanted?
What deals were out there that he could’ve made?
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 25, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
the ability to move up in any of the last 3 drafts...
Danny Granger, Joe Johnson, Boozer, Amare, Bosh (before FA), Kevin Love, DeMarcus Cousins. Mind you these are just some of the plays that have been publicized. I’m not even going to offer Carmelo, or the fact that every week according to sources Daryl Morey wants to land a franchise player. So to answer your question truthfully, I don’t know. But it would be naive to think there hasn’t been a big play on the table in the last 4 seasons.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
All hat and no cattle?
Is that anything like all fur coat and no trousers?
by Bobbythegreat on Jun 24, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a lot better than the Cowboys comparison
;-)
I think it’s been lack of willing partners. Trading for a superstar and giving up too much can worse than not trading at all. I’m in the firm camp that this is what was asked of Morey too many times in trade deals and that’s why the trigger hasn’t been pulled.
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by UofTOrange on Jun 24, 2011 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Why is it that I always write stuff that pisses everyone off? In my defense, that Cowboys comparison was gold. GOLD I TELL YOU! They’re still eerily similar. Maybe I’ll update it and repost it…
I understand that other GMs are probably scared of Morey. And no one wants to give up a star. But now the Rockets have the ability to trade away more overall talent for one big talent and still be in good shape.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Easy Tiger
No one draws the horns from the reading faithful like yours truly.
You’re a man of the people. They love you.
scared of Morey only cheeseburgers are
all these talented players will seem a lot easier to swallow if you had a franchise player or a couple of all stars. the bigger question is how long does the owner give morey to get them.
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Just because Leonard wouldn't have led us to a title next year
doesn’t mean he made the right choice. Nobody in the draft will lead us to a title next year
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 24, 2011 10:08 PM CDT reply actions
As Bill Simmons said in his 20 crazy trades piece
You cannot trade 1$ worth of coins for a crisp dollar bill, you have to give more coins to get a crispy dollar. This perfect trade that Morey is looking for won’t come up because almost never will a team sell their dollar for quarters and nickels. We must overpay for a superstar, and I think it’s the right move.
Side Note:
Bill Simmons wrote in the same piece:
Chris Bosh for Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola, Chase Budinger, and New York’s 1st round 2012 pick
I still don’t know what I think of that though.
by OJ ATM on Jun 24, 2011 10:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't do that
I wouldn’t have taken Bosh at all, even in free agency. I’d rather the Rockets find the next superstar
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 24, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I dislike Bill Simmons
except his mailbags. Thinks too highly of himself and the Celtics.
And I want Morey to make a gamble, not a stupid move. So in conclusion, disregard Bill Simmons if at all possible.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
I agree
He has his moments, but he’s too much of a cocky asshole to be likable. If you read his Book on Basketball (it’s ridiculously long), the number of times that he goes on long diatribes against anything anti-Celtics is ridiculous. He’s a funny guy and all, but he gets a little too much pub for my taste (oh and I think that Grantland.com idea is bad).
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind too much
as long as the other guys are doing most of the writing. I actually didn’t dislike the “Youtube draft” idea, even though the premise itself was ridiculous.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
That would explain why I love Simmons then...
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I think he knows a lot, which he does.
I can get sick of Boston Homering though.
But put that aside I love his stuff. One of my idols and when I met him at The Finals he stopped talking to Stuart Scott and Van Gundy to come take pictures when I was in the stands before the game.
by OJ ATM on Jun 24, 2011 10:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well..
I loved the book on Basketball but I feel like I know too much about the 1960 Celtics.. All else that he goes into is very smart and informative.
The Grantland thing was due to an inner conflict between him and ESPN. He’s been in trouble with ESPN due to censorship issues, talking about porn and calling things gay eventually led to ESPN giving him his own website where he can be more open than on ESPN.com itself.
by OJ ATM on Jun 24, 2011 10:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That really only speaks further to why I love him and I like his writing style.
He’s blatant about what he feels/believes/knows and doesn’t care how he presents it because it’s just like you’d talk basketball with your buddies. I feel like he’s having a conversation with me and we’re chilling at a sports bar with a beer.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I like his voice
But I just don’t like what he has to say most of the time.
Here are my biggest complaints with Simmons:
-Personally, I don’t think his writing is very good. I can’t claim to be Picasso with words, but his formulaic writing just gets old. It’s the same thing over and over again. I understand that his conversational and casual style has an appeal, but after reading 700 pages of it, it just comes off as stilted. The number of phrases he reuses and recycles is just stunning as well
-He just despises certain teams/players (Kobe, the Colts, Pete Carroll, etc.) and lets it cloud his writing.
-He’s a hypocrite: he critiques people who he deems “pussy-whipped” yet has let his wife post her musings on Brangelina and Jen Aniston
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 24, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh and he hates Houston
So fuck him.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 24, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Different strokes for different folks.
He loves his Boston teams and as a Bills fan I want to see Boston razed to the ground but I’m still a huge Simmons fan. I don’t notice the duplication and I can’t stand certain players as well, so I hold nothing against someone else for doing it. He’s a sports columnist, a breed of writer you shouldn’t look to for lack of bias.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
He's actually very good friends with DM.
by OJ ATM on Jun 24, 2011 11:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I know
But he hates Houston as a city and doesn’t really even like the Rockets. It seems like he and Morey are getting closer to eloping every summer, but he shits on the Rockets and the city of Houston as often as he can (he especially loves dumping on the Super Bowl here and the traffic).
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 24, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
The traffic here does suck. And what happened at that Super Bowl was inexcusable.
by OJ ATM on Jun 24, 2011 11:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you talking about the wardrobe malfunction?
But yes, the traffic blows. But the combination of the new stadium, the convention center right nearby, and the huge parking made it a perfect spot. And, with the exception of the traffic (which was expected) and the wardrobe malfunction (not exactly a Houston issue), the Super Bowl was an unmitigated success.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 24, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Kid Rock with the US Flag with the hole in it around his neck.
Agreed on everything else though.
by OJ ATM on Jun 24, 2011 11:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Simmons, you son-of-a-bitch...
I used that same analogy (except with one, five, ten, twenty, fifty and one hundred bills) about a month ago on here.
If you reading, I want my analogy back!!
OJ...
…I’ll take over from here. Thank God, that Bill Simmons…IS NOT THE GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet back when Bosh was a Free Agent this board would have traded their home, their mother, everything for him.
And I was asinine for saying Scola was comparable.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
I'll put it this way.
I’d do this trade if it’s pre-breakout Lowry who averaged like 13-6 or whatever it was and if it’s Toronto Chris Bosh in return which I think is what he would be.
I like it.
Dragic/Flynn – not a bad duo if Dragic fills in like we think he would
Martin/Lee – Again a good duo and Martin can work on his efficiency with him being a 2nd option.
Morris/Williams – I like Terrence, some people don’t. Losing Budinger isn’t that big of a knock IMO.
Bosh/Patterson – A lot better than Scola / Patterson. Unfortunately Patterson won’t get much PT and Hill might not see any.
Hayes/? – Sadly it’s the same situation.
We get worse at PG somewhat, but if Terrence fills in like his fans hope he will, we actually upgrade SF. PF obviously gets better.
by OJ ATM on Jun 24, 2011 11:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's an interesting topic
But it’s really all moot since the Heat have said that they aren’t breaking up the Big Three. And would Miami be appreciably better? I don’t think so, so they’d have to really think about it.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 24, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It's just radical thinking :D
And yah Miami isn’t going to be broken up anytime soon.
by OJ ATM on Jun 24, 2011 11:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Morey and the Rocket's lack of a superstar is just as much Les Alexander's fault as it is Morey's.
During the McHale hiring press conference extravaganza, DM danced around the rebuild parameters, but today he outright said it on 1560 with Lance Z.
LZ: Rebuilding is tough. I’d rather you be in a spot to be in a puncher’s chance to get something than be the Astros where you have to go through the hard way. If you play it right you can avoid the gutter while you rebuild.
DM: Absolutely. Leslie has an approach I agree with. We knew Yao and Tracy were injury prone. The right thing to do was stay competitive and hope they were healthy to make a run. Overall we really needed to be quietly looking to the future so we were ready for the future without them. That’s what we’ve done. We hope to turn the corner without being terrible. Mr. Alexander does not want to be terrible in order to get better.
LZ: What sucks is being terrible and then screwing up the high pick.
DM: Getting the high pick is worth it but not going through the horrible season. Hope to turn this around and be a championship contender without ever going under 500. It’s never been done before. We are hoping to get fortunate like Boston when Garnett became available.
Les is asking DM to accomplish the unprecedented. Even the Celtic example with Garnett example took a top 5 pick to accomplish. Although Garnett, himself, was traded for 7 non-lotto and low lotto players, Ray Allen was traded for the 5th pick in the 2007 draft.
I have no doubt in my mind at all that given just one top 3 pick, DM could provide us with the centerpiece to a championship team and less importantly, but still talked about, a game-changing defensive big man.
Would I like the Rockets to become a championship team without a 20 win season? Sure, but I’m not optimistic that it will happen without a huge free agent signing.
I just hope that Les changes his expectations rather than his GM if he doesn’t have a championship team in two years.
Best premise for a TDS article ever.
Rec’d the crap out of it.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 24, 2011 10:37 PM CDT reply actions
Rockets could be a championship contender this year!
If they find a really good center somehow. I think our team is very similar to the Lakers, but deeper. And I think DM and LA are purposely building it that way. I remember last time we were in the playoffs thinking that we didn’t stand a chance because the lakers had 3 or 4 guys on the court who were over 6’7 and lanky as heck. Well, with Kmart at 2, Marcus at 3, and Patterson at the 4, we would be a very similar team. The obvious difference is that Kmart is nowhere near Kobe talent, but I’ll take Lowry at pg over Fisher and our bench (whoever is left of scola, hayes, the other pfs, dragic, Bud, courtnee lee, etc).over there 3 man bench. We really just need a CENTER. Pao Gasol is crucial to the Lakers success, the second most to Kobe. We don’t need someone as good as Pao though, b/c i’m real high on Patterson. So we just need someone to clog the lane and dunk a couple back every once in a while. what yall think?
Similar to the Lakers
without Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 24, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Just No Kobe and Gasol
I’ll take Patterson over Bynum any day. and i think lowry + martin + Marcus = Kobe +Fisher+Artest. Just need a center, like i said
Patterson over Bynum?
I like PPatt as much as the average guy, but Bynum is the league’s second best center when healthy. Patterson has played in 52 games in his career and has little offensive game outside of jumpers right now. Patterson has a bright future as a role player, Bynum has one as a star center.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 24, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Patterson's ceiling as 4th or 3rd best player on a contender?
Think that’s too high of him?
by OJ ATM on Jun 24, 2011 10:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not at all
I think he can be a solid starter as a 4th option on a championship squad.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 24, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't have any number of players that equal Kobe
and the Lakers will have to do some retooling in order to become a serious contender again. But we don’t have Bynum, Gasol or an Odom…3 huge pieces that they do have. We’re a long way off from being a contender, sorry to break the news.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 24, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Rockets could be a championship contender this year!
If they find a really good center somehow.
Stopped reading right there. It’ll take Dwight Howard to get us in the conversation and a hell of a stronger lineup than what we’d be left with in a move to acquire him anyway. Let’s step back from the Kool-Aid and call it a day. This is coming from a guy who hit the sauce hard yesterday and came around after he sobered up.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I understand what you're trying to say here
But that title makes my head hurt.
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Houston Rockets are guaranteed a Championship this year!
We just need to try this experimental growth serum on Hayes, turn Yao Ming into the Six Million Dollar Legs, and wait for Kevin Martin to walk on water to drop 60 points a night.
I like how you ask if he's the LeBron of something like it would be a bad thing.
If he is the LeBron of GMs its because he is the best in the game and only really stupid people think he isn’t.
Or mayve saying he stockpiles assests but in the end doesn't have as big an impact as people thought
Morey has to have something up his sleeves.
The BANHAMMER delivers the real justice
That's just turrible
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence
Bill, Bull and Clyde will be taking their talents to South Texas
I love that book & the nickname would be great IF
his name was spelled the way you spelled it. There is no ‘n’ there. Motiejunas.
Great article though, AK. Rec’d.
Yeah, I took liberties there
Hoped no one would notice. Actually stared at the screen for five minutes deciding if I could get away with it. Apparently not.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Doesnt have as much to work with as we think
Jordan hill and chase budinger, as much as some like them, don’t excite anyone. Luis scola has four years left on his deal for upwards of 40mil I believe. The length of that contract hinders trade ability. Martin is what he is. He can score a bunch of points, but when it comes down to it in crunch time, he SEEMS to dissappear. No games of his stand out to me, and that’s kind of scary.
I love Kyle Lowry, but if we are serious about getting a true superstar, then when that opportunity arrises, you make the trade… Sometimes even when the price is steep.
If you have a chance at Howard or CP3, you take it, especially since we like to be the last lottery team every year. Don’t see a first overall pick or FA signing of a superstar in our future, so are only way to acquire one is through trade. Whatever it takes so we can stop treading water and start building a chanpioship caliber team
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by AllenOU on Jun 25, 2011 3:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
3 years left on the deal
The last year is non-guaranteed. It’s more realistically 3 years, $28 million. It’s not the most appealing contract, but it’s not a complete albatross either.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 25, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I love being wrong.
To bad he is 30 and not 27
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
by AllenOU on Jun 25, 2011 12:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Besides the McHale hire
and the constant swinging fora superstar and missing, I’m okay with the job Morey is doing. What I would rather see though, is he trade assets for picks from horrible teams. You can get pretty even value for future first rounders during the season. You don’t gut all your role player talent for a superstar. Look at how Dallas won the championship; one superstar and several good players. We have a ton of good young players waiting on a centerpiece. I think DMo could be that guy if motivated correctly but regardless, identify a core and trade everyone not in that core (Lee, Bud, Scola, Hill…) for draft assets, preferably this year.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Jun 25, 2011 9:39 AM CDT reply actions
I was one of the "blindly follow Morey no matter what" train a few years ago
And even last year. But if all he does is stockpile more assets this year, which, so far, is what he’s done, then I don’t know if he’s right for us. I’m one of those people who don’t think that we need a superstar like Howard to win a championship. But we definitely can’t win a championship with the team that we have now. Use our assets to find a Josh Smith and a Andris Biedrins and we’ve got a team that could contend. Morey’s gotta do something this year though.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
This reasoning is completely incongruous and let me show you why.
We’re rebuilding, yet you want to contend. You label every acquisition an “asset” yet claim we don’t need a Dwight Howard on the roster. If we acquire anything other than Dwight Howard or a superstar, they are automatically labeled an asset and written off by this fanbase. It’s a circular issue that ultimately culminates in no one ever being happy or rationally looking at what we have.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
The post below was intended for you. Reply fail.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
You're throwing me into the pile of "we need a superstar or 5 get them now" fans
“This fanbase” has different types of fans. I’m not one of those saying that Kevin Martin is an asset, or even Patterson or Lowry. Assets are guys that we don’t really need, but could use to trade or could be useful if injuries happen. Guys that I label assets would be: Morris, Dragic, T-Will, Bud, Scola, Parsons or Motijunas. If we acquired Josh Smith and Andris Biedrins, I would NOT consider them assets, but part of a team trying to contend. If we are rebuilding, as you say, why should we want Dwight Howard in the first place? Or even Josh Smith? I don’t think we have to rebuild with this current team, and I don’t know why people are so adamant about doing so. Say we acquired Smith and Biedrins, I think we have a contender.
Lowry, Martin&Lee, Josh Smith, Patterson, Biedrins&Thabeet. I like that team. Plus, it’s a relatively young roster that if, for some reason, doesn’t work out in year one, could use another year or two and still be fine.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
I apologize if you feel I'm lumping you in. I think history on this board shows I look at you as an insightful fan.
But there is logic behind Smith in that he is 25 and he quickens the pace of the rebuild something incredibly.
As for the guys you label assets, those are depth guys/rebuilding guys, are they not? Assets by your definition is any disposable player, yes? I look at what Daryl is putting together and I think everyone keeps eyeing some amazing trade that might not be the real solution. We have damn near the entire 2009 Lottery cast, there’s bound to be SOME reason why these guys got drafted that high, no?
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Well I don't think Assets are "disposable" as you say
I think we have to decide if they are for our team or to trade, period. Yes, we have quite a few players from 2009’s lottery, but I think there are only two who could pan out to be serviceable players for our team; Williams and Thabeet. There is a reason they were drafted high, yes, but there also is a reason why many, if not all, of the other picks in that year have panned out to be good to great players for their respective teams. Griffin, Harden, Evans, Curry, DeRozen, Jennings, even Hansborough were all picked in that lottery. Why could we only pick up the ones that haven’t proved anything, and might not ever?
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
I'm very much a fair shake kind of guy.
We’ve picked up a lot of lottery picks that were just in the wrong situation, wrong fit, wrong team. D’Antoni had a prejudice against Hill, he came here and showed why he went 8th overall. Williams butted heads with Johnson, he has all the tools to be great. Thabeet’s problems are well documented due to Memphis’s mismanagement. Flynn, not only is the tundra frozen in Minnesota but so isn’t talent in Johnny’s case.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
That's possible
But I disagree with Hill and Flynn. I see nothing from him that warranted him an 8th overall pick. He’s shown flashes of that talent, but Dragic has shown top 5 overall talent at some points during his career, and I wouldn’t draft him there if he was in the draft tomorrow. Flashes of talent does not a top 10 player make. As for Flynn, I never saw him as a player that should have been drafted that high. I think Minnesota doesn’t have the slightest idea of PG’s talent. Rubio, I could argue against him for years. I guess I just never liked Flynn. An undersized shooting PG is not my cup of tea.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
With Hill those flashes started becoming consistent when his minutes did, it became less flash more shine.
With Flynn, it’s hard to show much when you’re in the cesspool that is Minnesota.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
If we are rebuilding, as you say, why should we want Dwight Howard in the first place?
Rebuilding = looking for a centerpiece.
If we acquire a Dwight Howard level player, we are no longer rebuilding, we are contending. The difference? Instead of stacking assets with no regard to how they fit with the team, we solidify the roster around the centerpiece according to need. We would overpay for free agents and role players (Morey has used Nick Collison, when talking about Chuck’s future, as an example of a guy a contender overpays, but a rebuilding team does not) and we may even draft for need.
I really have to disagree about Biedrins and Smith making us contenders. They make us a legitimate 2nd round team, but not contenders. I, myself, would be happy solidifying this team around Martin, Scola and Lowry and making a run at the playoffs, but Les Alexander has made it clear, and I think the whole FO agrees, that the goal is a Championship. NBA history has set many blueprints for a winning championships and those blueprints overwhelmingly revolve around an elite centerpiece.
Yes, but...
Rebuilding does not mean spending big bucks in free agency. That is trying to contend. We can’t just go from rebuilding to contending just like that. A team in rebuilding mode would be Orlando if they get rid of Howard, Turkalo, Arenas and Nelson. THAT’S rebuilding. Not a team with a young rising PG, a solid if unspectacular SG, another young rising PF, and a Center that could be a dominant defensive force.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
Yes, free agency spending is contending.
And the minute we get an elite player we go from rebuilding to contending.
Look at the Knicks, they are in “contending” mode now even though they are still short of actually contending just because of Carmelo and Amare.
It’s all about a centerpiece or two in the NBA.
Are you trying to say we're not rebuilding? Because we're certainly not contending and we're not a playoff team.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
See, I don't get that.
We are for sure a playoff team. The second half of last season showed us just that. They just needed half a season to mesh. We finished above .500 and looked legit for periods of time. We’re so close to being contenders. I guess my definition of contenders, rebuilding, and assets are just different than everyone else.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
I think you're overrating our half a season of play.
It’s only going to get more confusing unless we instill some hard defense. Add to it that we now have a new coach to acclimate to, guys still need roles and minutes distributed to both develop AND succeed, and when it comes down to it, you can’t reward a team for playing inspired for 41 games in an 82 game season (Unless the lockout shortens us to 41, then applaud it).
It’s not a question of what half a season tells us but a question of what a full season tells us. This is where people overrate the Rockets, they showed a strong HALF season of play. If playoffs and titles were awarded for second half effort we would have been in the running, but they’re not. We need to stop applauding half assed effort, acknowledge and accept the rebuild, and put in the time and headaches that come with it. We’re lying to ourselves if we think we’re better than any other Western Conference team that made the playoffs this year.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
by BD34 on Jun 25, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm fine with a rebuilding year or two
I have no problems with that. But I just don’t see us doing that, especially when we’re constantly going after talent like a Josh Smith or Dwight Howard. Maybe we don’t actually get any of those players, then we go into rebuild mode. But if we’re going into rebuild mode, then we have to fully go. Trade Martin, Scola, Lowry, Dragic, and Hayes. Shut our team down for a season basically. If we are to rebuild, then we need more than a last lottery pick every year. We need a Harrison Barnes next year. A centerpiece of a team. If we’re going to rebuild, then do it, and do it well.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
And that's just plain dumb
I guess that’s what I’m saying really. Either win with the team you have now, make some moves that would help it in the short run, or rebuild. You can’t have 2 out of 3.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
I'm with you 100% on that.
Solidify now with what we have and try to upset someone in the playoffs or blow it completely up and go for a OKC/Portland rebuild.
I accept the current course because I have no choice (I want to enjoy the Rockets not agonize over them).
Cheering for a team in a rebuilding year sucks
But it’s worth it in the end.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
yep, that grey
“in between” area is where it has been for 2 years, that worse than full out suck mode. It’s time for a direction.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
I dont think it's rebuilding
as much as it is getting over the hump of mediocrity. Rebuilding is when you have something great and it crumbles, and you must build from the ground up, we never hit rock bottom. You could just say we’re trying to add on to a decent house to make it a luxury home.
by SpaceCityFan on Jun 27, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
What I've been saying still holds true...
Last year I said that the Rockets had the finest supporting cast in the league. The problem is, that’s all it is: a supporting cast. The thing was built to revolve around Yao. Morey was forced to gamble it all on a successful Yao comeback, which of course never materialized. It’s nobody’s fault – that’s just what happens when your owner understandably places a massive contract on a rare big man.
So here we are: a franchise blessed with some proven assets (Scola, Lowry, Martin), but mostly shot through with young raw talent in the form of Terrence Williams, Jordan Hill, Courtney Lee, and now Motiejunas and Morris. People, if you’re looking to rebuild, you could do far, far worse. Even if only half of these acquisitions pans out, Morey will look like an utter genius. As usual.
What is rebuilding but getting rid of your existing roster and bringing in new guys via drafts, trades and free agent acquisitions? Hey, I’d be happy to strap some dynamite to this thing, blow it up and have a do-over if the team had gotten long in the tooth (see the Lakers, Spurs or Celtics). But with the young talent Morey has acquired, I have a hard time seeing how hitting the reset button is going to result in something much different, or more advantageous, than we presently have. Unless I’m mistaken, Morey just jettisoned our oldest player in Brad Miller. I mean, we’ve already got a lot of young talent – what are we supposed to do, tear it apart and rebuild to get really young?
One last thought. Everybody makes a lot of noise over Morey’s brilliance, and rightfully so. But he’s hardly the only smart GM in the league. Yes, there are more than a few imbeciles, but plenty of other teams have extremely intelligent guys running their respective shows. And as Morey has pointed out, everybody knows where the talent is, and you have plenty of other people going after the same short list of superstars. During the press conference announcing the Thabeet trade, Morey essentially said, “Look, we need a big man. But you can’t trade for proven big men in this league, because teams just won’t give them up under any circumstances.”
What people really want, and what the Rockets really need, is that centerpiece player. But getting that franchise player is the ultimate poker game in the NBA. So people really need to lay off of the notion that Morey is either too lazy or blind to not go after one guy or another.
Your last paragraph summed it up...
It’s the ultimate poker game to find “the guy.” All Morey has done is fold. He’s waiting for the improbable hand to be dealt or in this case trade where he gets gold for dog shit. So in other words, he’s done nothing. So when you say people need to lay off, you need to realize eventually, you will run out of chips with the small and big blinds. Great example is Courtney Lee and I made a fan post about it. He needs to either be traded or extended soon. If he hits the market even restricted, Houston’s going to overpay. If you want to crown him for just “showing up and folding thus far” then go right ahead.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
That implies he's actually ever had a hand to go all in with.
We don’t know. That’s my only contention. We know some people were playing with a full house from time to time but if we never get something coming up on the river other than a pair of twos can we reasonably assume that we’re bad at poker or that the hands have sucked? We’ve done a lot of flipping our pairs of 7’s and what not to make sense of it all but everyone keeps assuming that our constant hands of 6’s and what not will beat out a flush and it won’t.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased

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