Who Would You Give Up for Biedrins?
by bone31crusher on Jun 26, 2011 6:05 PM CDT
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PrintESPN has confirmed reports saying the Rockets are trying to acquire Warriors big man Andris Biedrins.
The two names that have popped up are Hasheem Thabeet and Jordan Hill, two people I don't have a problem giving up. I'm a big Thabeet supporter, but Biedrins gives us what we need right now: defense, rebounding, and shot blocking.
According to the Houston Comical, the Rockets have tried to package an offer around either Thabeet or Hill, but not putting both players in the same deal.
The big thing for me is that Biedrins is just 25. I say we up our offer and give them Hill, Bud, and a pick. Biedrins is the only proven center who is available. RFA's DeAndre Jordan, Marc Gasol, and Tyson Chandler are likely to re-sign with their current team.
I say we pull the trigger on this. We've stockpiled 3s and 4s, so now it's time to unload them in order to improve our depth at center.
The untouchables for me are Lowry, Patterson, Morris, Donut, and T-Will. Bud finished the year with a bang, so he probably carries some decent value. Even though the Warriors have more 2s than we do 4s, they lack a true 3 outside of Dorrell Wright. Bud's strengths are spotting up and in transition, two things the Warriors excel at.
Like I said earlier in the post, I think a package of Hill, Bud, and a pick or two should do the trick. Hill is a young, athletic power forward who I'm sure they would have some interest in.
There aren't any centers available in the next couple of years, whether in FA or the draft.
Morey needs to pull the trigger on this and up the offer, as long as it's not one the untouchable players.
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Anyone have a link to this?
With the names involved and everything. If it’s just Thabeet and Hill, you’re not giving up much. One played a handful of minutes, the other seems to be getting better slowly but surely. Maybe Thabeet was never meant to actually play a lot for us, just a trade piece. But they better know that he won’t turn into a solid player. I think the money matches up too, or pretty close.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 26, 2011 6:19 PM CDT reply actions
Found a link if anyone wants it
http://www.red94.net/on-the-houston-rockets-alleged-interest-in-andris-biedrins/7001/
Biedrins is 25??? That blew my freaking mind. I’m coming around to this deal. If those two won’t get it done, I wonder what else will be involved. Hopefully Morey has someone in mind on the end of the Warriors bench that he can steal.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 26, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If GSW are just looking to shave some payroll
Hill, Bud and Thabeet for Biedrins and the rights to Jeremy Tyler.
any trade we do for Andris will have to include Thabeet for salary reasons
Looking at the Warriors players
they hardly have anyone on their roster. Lin, Tyler and Adrien are the only throw in players they have.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 26, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I tried this trade on the ESPN Trade Machine
how the hell would we be 2 games worse without Hill? Thabeet never even really played for us, not enough to make an impact.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 26, 2011 6:29 PM CDT reply actions
Problem is, GSW wants more for Biedrins
I think a package of Hill, Thabeet, and maybe a 2nd round pick would do the job. Maybe a throw-in of either Cousin, Blakely, or Parsons if GS holds out (I don’t know if the first two are still on the roster or not).
Golden State of Mind is going crazy over the fact that we are offering Hill/Thabeet for Biedrins, as they believe he is a shell of his former self, although I think the Rockets can turn him around and allow him to regain his former level of play (solid) at the very least.
wouldnt trade bud
he has bin ok as a started, and to be honest great value for a young shooter and i like dragic but i donno much about flynn thats y id pick him
As a Warriors fan I don't really understand the deal
We’d be in the same position as the Rockets in that we’d have no centers and a glut of pfs. Biedrins has been terrible the last few years, but he’s still provided size, defense, and rebounding. I wouldn’t want to have to play Lee at center and have Thabeet or Jordan Hill backing him up. Maybe they do it if they can get Chase Buddinger, Hill, and Johnny Flynn. That trade really improves the bench. I could see Terrence Williams being swapped for Buddinger if the Rockets gave up picks.
"You need to get real!"
WTF is wrong with yall
Biedrins value is as low as it can be right now and you all want to give up valuable players such as bud, dragic and lee etc.
hill is a solid player who is taking small steps and warriors would love to have him. parsons is gonna be a steal in the draft but i wouldnt mind trading him! dont give up thabeet because biedrins at best is a 8 pt 8 reb guy now! thabeet is potential to be much much better!
by Ani Kumar on Jun 26, 2011 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
GS doesn't think Biedrins' value is low,
so they’re asking for “valuable” players.
Unfortunately, there aren’t any available centers for a few years, and while he’s had some bad years, we need his size, defense, and rebounding.
I say he’s worth giving up Hill, Bud, and picks.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 27, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
No trust me they know this
The problem is that they have invested too much in him to really sell low. I think he’s given till all star break to see if he has something left of his old game.
"You need to get real!"
Hill, Thabeet, and a second rounder....
do it in a heartbeat. Helps out the logjam at PF, and gives you a C for when the season starts. Biedrins gets paid, but doesn’t break the bank. It’s just the cost of Cs these days, outrageous.
Also, T-Will is more untouchable than Kevin Martin?
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
This deal also gets rid of Thabeet
This deal would make you a season ticket holder.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
already am/was
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
What if he gets consistent play time?
Will you cancel?
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
nah never....
if he gets consistant playing time it will be deserved, or he has pictures of McHale.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
IMO,
T-Will is more untouchable than Martin.
We need two-way players on this team, and Martin isn’t. T-Will is. He also has a higher ceiling than Martin. He just needs to be given consistent minutes to establish himself.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 27, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
TWill
is currently a No way player.
You have to play to be a player.
Can we please stop pretending that Twill is better than Kmart already..
this is a little ridiculous.
"Slammed that hoe on the counter like I just got 35 on the domino table!!"
Sherrod Harris
I have to agree
its not his fault but T Will has not had enough time on the court to even see if he can compare to Martin. Williams is a better defender, and passer, and probaly rebounder too, but with martin you know he will end up with 20 maybe even 30. T Will has the potential to be able to score like that, he just has to do it on the court something martin has done for years. And with the pickup of Morris it decreases T Will value to the team,but he still can play like I expect him too and take Buds spot as the backup, or may be even start. Training camp and the preseason will be very competitive with this packed roster which is just only good news for our team.
by since86rocketsfan on Jun 27, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Did I say T-Will was better than Martin?
No. I said he has a higher ceiling.
Why didn’t T-Will play last season? We had a stubborn coach who was committed to not playing the young guys.
T-Will is one of the better athletes in the league, and he’s a strong guy at 6’5" 220.
Being that athletic and that strong can give you the ability to be a lockdown defender, as well as being near unstoppable while attacking the basket.
Stop being so short-sighted. Nobody on this board has any patience. You have to give this guy a chance, and like Thabeet, he hasn’t been given one.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 27, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
So right now.... forget about salaries for a second...
Golden St says they will trade us Biedrins for Hill and Thabeet…. However Houston has to either throw in K Mart or T Will…. You would throw in K Mart? Hypothetical and impossible situation I proposed. But that’s nuts to to claim T Will as more of an untouchable.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
I would just trade Martin for Biedrins and probably picks.
Sorry, didn’t make that clear in the poll.
We are rebuilding, and T-Will fits that phase. Martin does not.
Morey has stressed that we need more two-way players.
T-Will is one, or can be one. Morris is already a great offensive player, and he has the ability to be a good defender.
Martin and Scola are strictly offensive players. Scola at least helps on the boards, where Martin scores, and does nothing else. Too one-dimensional for my liking.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 27, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No you said he is more untouchable
which i proved above makes no sense. All we can go by is potential with TWill, with Martin we have substance. He played a big part in us scoring 108 a game last year and not TWill. i want to see if Morey could of went to the Wolves before the draft and said we will give you T Will not Martin, because he has the higher ceiling, they would laugh.I like Twill and think he can be a great player, but as of right now Martin is more valuable. And it don’t matter how strong and athlehic you are on d, its mostly how quickly you can move your feet and respond the other players move.
by since86rocketsfan on Jun 27, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You didn't prove anything...
All I’m saying is that T-Will is more untouchable than Martin is.
We are rebuilding. T-Will fits that phase as a young and upcoming player, and Martin does not.
Just my opinion.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 27, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Tough Call
I like all of those players we’re sitting here talking about giving up. I do think Biedrins game can fit what we’re trying to do, and he’s only 25! However, I’m more for keeping these guys right now. Flynn, would probably be the guy I’d give up. I think we’re set at point. It would probably be a PF that I’d give up. Hill or Patterson? I like them both. Hill has the better offensive upside, and Patterson better on D. Imo. I’m also not really sold on trading Thabeet right now. I don’t think we need him to score. We just need presence in the paint. Why can’t he be a Dalembert type in the future? Not a star, but no pushover either.
Motiejunas.
His first name sounds like Donut, kind of.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 27, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He is shit;
$9,000,000 PER YEAR FOR 4 YEARS
….and you know he wont shoot just in case he has to go to the free through line.
that could end in tears when shooting what 10%.
(crackheads is what i’m thinking)
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Well it's either that...or
Go the 6’6" C route
Go the Yao route
Go the offer Dalembert 15 mil/ year route
Go the D-Mo/Ht route
No brainer if you ask me.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
We must be desperate if were thinking that Biedrins
Is
A. Worth 9$ a year
B. Any good
C. The answer to any of our problems.
D. All of the above
Minny was laughing when the Flynn trade went down, GS will do the same.
by basketball is cool on Jun 27, 2011 10:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Mind expanding and giving an explanation of why you believe this?
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
I'm on my phone at the moment
So this is all going to be based on what I remember of Biedrins from the last few years, but the kid has always just been bad. And then the injuries.
I just feel like I’d rather just invest our time in the 5$ C we already have, Thabeet. And now we have Montijunas. We could spend $9 a year somewhere else, especially if we are rebuilding.
by basketball is cool on Jun 27, 2011 11:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
As far as Flynn
I cruised over to their blog after the trade, and they all seemed to think that they were much better off without him. That could just be because he was a product if the system and all that, but with the hip injury and basically losing a whole year last year if I’m not mistaken, they feel like they got rid of a pretty bad player.
Sounds exactly like what GS will say after a Biedrins trade, but we would just have to wait and see.
Again, this is just my opinion.
by basketball is cool on Jun 27, 2011 11:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Flynn did not fit the triangle at all.
Flynn fits in well with us, because we’re a high-tempo team. That’s his strength.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 27, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I would have said Flynn only breaks the rotation is if Lowry or Dargic get injured.
But times have a’changed in Rocketsland. New head coach and all, so it is a possibility that Dragic falls out of the rotation if he goes into a slump like he did in PHX.
by basketball is cool on Jun 28, 2011 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Keep Thabeet
i don’t know why everyone wants to trade him, he adds no value to these trades in the eyes of other teams, use a different trow in and then we can have him as a project still. Bud, Hill and Flynn or Gorgan, maybe a second rounder and we are solving a lot of problems. Parsons is going to be better than Bud to be honest, why else would Morey buy back in to get him? he obviously saw that he wasn’t taken yet and said “thats a steal”. He has the drive to play ball like no one else.
I agree with eveything you said
Parson will be way better then BUD. Also i think we should keep thabeet too, i mean he will be ok at C i think.
He's been gone for a while
And apparently you have too.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
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