Better options besides Biedrins?
by TheBookOfOlu on Jun 26, 2011 10:00 PM CDT
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I know everybody wants A Center on our beloved Houston Rockets. The fact is I think everybody putting too much onto this off-season. Right now we have Hasheem Thabeet, Jorden Hill, Chuck Hayes, Donatas Motiejunas, All who can play the 5 spot. Now just like you here on TheDreamShake I would love A Center, But Andris Biedrins is not the answer you all is looking for. He lacks too much (Skills Vs Money) don't match up. I know you reading this and saying please get to the point and I will. I rather we give it time until A better center is available instead of rushing into it with one you will soon regret. When we signed Brad Miller everybody here was excited, But why? Miller never played Defence and was clearly at the end of his carrer (Yeah Yeah I Know Because Rick Right)Just saying there's Better options besides Biedrins And Way Better Than Thabeet.
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With the exception of Nene (I’m not as high on him as some on this blog are, but he’s still a legit player), DJ, Dalembert, Marc Gasol, Biedrins and maybe Oden, the rest are just generic backups. Speights and Mohammed have both been solid offensive weapons for a while, but each is atrocious defensively. Hollins and Ajinca are just athletes and not basketball players, Gray and Fesenko are just big bodies but completely useless otherwise, I always think Elson is 80 years old, and Hawes just fucking sucks.
The only centers I think would be worth acquiring are Kaman (not great, but short contract and solid low-post scorer), DJ (young option but would be tough to get), Chandler (if we could put Cuban under a spell), Bogut (would take a lot to get him though), Gortat (take a lot to get him as well), Biedrins (maybe), Darko (kidding), and maybe a guy like Dalembert though he’ll want to go to a contender.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 26, 2011 10:33 PM CDT reply actions
I actually disagree on Fesenko being just a big body
He’s no starter in the NBA, dont get me wrong, but he was pretty impressive in the playoff couple years ago. He was lost in the shuffle with Utah having a bunch of big guys, but I thought he could have been a solid backup given a chance
We have plenty of solid backups
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well' I'm not saying we sign Fesenko
Just purely expressing my opinion on a talent
talent (from slc blog, tune into fesenko fridays)
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by big_p.a.w.z. on Jun 28, 2011 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Oden for sure.
He is injury laden. But that only means less teams will be interested which means a better deal for us. Why not take a chance on his talent and potential game changing abilities if it comes cheap? I mean, it’s not like he’s un-developed like Thabeet…just a thought
ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oden can be had for alot less
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Sherrod Harris
Because Yao has had multiple injuries
and injuries are basically why we are in this rebuilding state. We are already investing 5 mill on Thabeet who may never leave the d league, and you want to add 8 mill more for a player who can’t even play a season wihout getting hurt. Thats 13 mill can be used to get one way better center then both of those unproven guys. Hill is also a project and if Yao is able to get healthy please believe the Rockets wuld like to give him one last chance.
by since86rocketsfan on Jun 27, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
He never mentioned a price tag for Oden, so the 8 million figure is yours, not his.
The reason he goes with Oden is at Oden’s age his reco… nevermind, we’ve discussed this and I’m not sprinting into this wall again…
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Oh yea u love Oden
and Przy, i think we can also get J Oneal, bring back Tmac so we can have the most injury prone team in history. Regardless how much he would get, the idea of adding another project at center who can’t stay off the IR list, just shows your great thinking. Its time to get a true center, not a pf/c player but a true one like Dalembert, maybe even Biedrins a starter not a project.
by since86rocketsfan on Jun 27, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Andris Biedrins hasnt been doing good for a
couple if seasons, with injury and has a bad contract, but at this point i might just settle for a 7 footer with some paint presence on both off and def side. If I could have it my way id set the wish list at
1.Marc Gasol
2.Deandre Jordan
3.Tyson Chandler
4.Nene
5.Samuel Dalembert
6.Andris Biedrins
7.Greg Oden
8.Maurice Speights
I know the top 4 have little chance of becoming houston rockets,but i can dream.
Maybe we get lucky and are able to snag one of them but right now our options are limited.
by FLASH94 on Jun 26, 2011 11:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I like this list.
Though I’d put Dalembert over Nene (we need central D more than anything else) and I’d put Speights over Oden, unless Oden came very cheaply. He’s great when healthy. That when is practically never.
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Why would we want to have sex with Thabeet?
by basketball is cool on Jun 27, 2011 10:42 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You never wanted to sex Mutombo?
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-TCWIR paraphrased
only if
he did the finger wag.
OH I MISS IT SO!!!
by Greg DeVries on Jun 27, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
That begs the question
Would you sex Mutombo if it meant we got, say, 3 more years of that 2006 vintage Deke?
by seanbergmanrules on Jun 27, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
So THAT'S how he defied his age for so long...
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-TCWIR paraphrased
In regards to your Miller reference in the post.
Miller was a good pick up if Yao stayed healthy. A guy to spell Yao some basic minutes and stretch the floor, once Yao went down the context of the signing completely changed, so please, let’s not imply that the move would have gotten approval if it happened last season.
As far as all the available centers, Biedrins has come off some injury and some other issues but he’s still young, can be had “on the cheap” from Golden State, and he presents a far more viable and realistic grab than the board going nuts over Gasol and Jordan.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
In a way, I would like us to offer Jordan stupid money
assuming we had the cap space. I think the clips would match, but it would be fun to watch them pony up. I am thinking they think that the posturing about matching might make folks stay out of the bidding. Also, it might help our image on the FA front as a whole. And then again, they might not match. You never know…
It's the Jazz/Blazers game for Milsap a couple years ago.
They offered a dumb amount of money to Milsap and Utah matched it. It’s restricted them and they wound up dumping big salary players for it. The downside is if the other team doesn’t play your game you wind up on the hook for an extended deal at big bucks and kill your flexibility. If the other team matches they screw themselves over. It’s kind of like poison pill contracts in the NFL.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Exactly, it's a fine line
but I have an idea the kid has pretty serious upside. It would also make us a bit more credible in the free agent market in general. Trick is to structure the offer right. I don’t think 9 mil to him would be any worse than giving up players to GS and then paying 9 mil to Biedrins.
Addition by subtraction plays a huge role in Biedrins though.
We unclutter the roster rather than tacking more on to it, which often times yields better results than straight acquisition.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
also
when we send more players than we get we can open roster spots for the FA market
How was he a good pick, he got
hurt. He looked terrrible on the court after his injury and would of been on the bench like he was. It did not work out because Yao got hurt, so he had to play more, then he got hurt.
by since86rocketsfan on Jun 27, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions
Fail
Hater's Better Kiss My A** & Call It Sweet!
by TheBookOfOlu on Jun 27, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Never happen on either end
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by mjdinhouston on Jun 28, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
We probably aren't getting any one of these guys, excluding Biedrins.
And the only ones that would fit our rebuilding team (Jordan, Gasol, Hawes) are likely to re-sign with their current teams.
It’s Biedrins or bust.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Memphis can't afford Gasol
He’s going somewhere.
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by mjdinhouston on Jun 28, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You say that but it's doubtful they let Gasol go. Especially considering they downed the Spurs without Rudy Gay.
Hate to burst your bubble but assuming that Memphis is going to go cheap when they’re improving like they are is a fool’s prayer.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
well we'll see how the CBA shakes out
I still have to say, Memphis has baffled me over the years over financial decision, whether it’s being generous or cheap
It’d be real tough to let him go once you factor in how heavily ESPN was salivating over his nuts during their playoff run.
by seanbergmanrules on Jun 28, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
DeAndre Jordan
simple and short. Healthy and Athletic :)
Not without risk either.
He hasn’t shown sustained good play yet. But given how Biedrins looked, I’d rather spend the money on Jordan.
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Can he play good team D?
He will need to with McHale.
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by mjdinhouston on Jun 28, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
What about Jason Thompson?
he’s on a team who will probably be looking to start DeMarcus at C, and might not mind a veteran scoring PF, or even PPat to reunite them since they played well together there. i just think he is athletic and we could get him with a reasonable trade, am i wrong?
Jason Thompson is not a a center
It’s why Sac keeps pair him up with a center or trying to acquire center. he’s more of a power forward, and not really a inside banger either as a power forward
ESPN has him listed at C
i feel like he could step it up and play under the rim, i don’t think he’s really had the chance in SAC.
I think he actually got pretty good minutes past couple years
listed as C arent always indicative of the way he plays
I even seen him getting slotted to SF in a good amount of sets, though he did bulk up last year to get more paint oriented
He’s a decent rebounder with his height and actually an above average offensive player, but not the best decision maker or defender.
The 4 who voted Kwame Brown needs to be thrown in the river
Hater's Better Kiss My A** & Call It Sweet!
I'm all for Montiejunas and Thabeet
We have two young 7’ now with skill and upside. I like this.
by basketball is cool on Jun 28, 2011 8:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I like this too
Both an offensive and defensive 7’ presence.
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Greg Oden got offered $8.8 mil by Portland
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That's just turrible
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That's his rookie scale qualifying offer or his contract bid?
No one else touches that kind of offer.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
They can withdraw a qualifying offer.
Though 8.8 mil seems like an ok investment for a one year qualifier on a guy who could bounce back and be franchise.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I believe that is the thought behind the offer
Not bad considering he could be used as an expiring contract if when he gets hurt again.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Better options besides Biedrins?
a healthy yao
how about the fat-ass who just retired? lol
by vancouver_grizzlies on Jul 2, 2011 11:34 PM CDT reply actions
Doesn't solve a single need we have and health issues stand out to me, regardless of whether or not he's had a healthy season in the interim.
He’s not a Center in the capacity we need (Blocks and rebounds). If we were hurting for offense I’d consider it but not at the moment.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Al Jefferson is available, Noah and Varajao, Derek Anderson, Fresenko, Aaron Gray, Channing Frye, Reggie Evans, Zaza…its plenty of backups that wouldnt hurt us once Chuck goes out the game…i think its moreso the coaching or WAS that kept us down. And Thabeet needs to be outta here…
So Thabeet does not deserve to have a chance?
That way of thinking makes NO SENSE for a REBUILDING TEAM. I am going to just leave it here because I will get banned for the things I will say to you.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
well those who have the power to ban...DONT...
dont be so hostile…us rebuilding isnt the same as say the Pistons or NETs. We have a squad. We won 40+ games last season. We dont need to totally revamp the whole team. We may want to add a major piece which is cool but we already have the resources for that to take place. Our team is young. We have a new coach who although doesnt have the pedigee of Aldeman, isnt as stubborn as Aldeman either. Send Thabeet to the bench or to a team who wants his services. For his production, his contract is terrible. Get a pick or two. Use him in a trade package for the big man or SF we want so bad.
We've had "the pieces to make a major trade" for three years now, how's that worked out?
Anyone considering this team a team that will rebuild quickly needs to wake up and smell the coffee that when we hit shit or get off the pot time, we’re working on taking our dump. I hate to ruin your parade but you can’t simultaneously knock Thabeet then assume he’ll net anything in a trade. If he’s valueless to you, don’t act as though he’s valuable to others.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
THANK YOU!
It is so fucking ignorant to think that Thabeet should just get traded with even giving him a fucking chance to at least improve his fucking stock. For anyone who shares that stup[id way of thinking I feel sorry for how you run your fucking families for having to claim you. Fucking moranic!
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
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Send Thabeet to the bench or to a team who wants his services. For his production, his contract is terrible. Get a pick or two. Use him in a trade package for the big man or SF we want so bad.
On rebuilding teams, no one is untouchable. We have a few pieces that I would keep but Thabeet can be sacraficed. Someone will be sacraficed. Its no way around it. Unlike most rebuilding teams, we have a pretty solid young core and a great group of talent. But in order to make it to the next level, someone has to go. Scola? Martin? Dragic? We arent at a level where we have to totally start from scratch but its time to make a decision. Instead of stockpiling Fs and PGs and make a move. Of course for at least a B+ center (our biggest need) we would have to give up one of our high potential players or a center in return for compensation. I say with Thabeets contract, it would be a dump and its not like we drafted him or we will miss what he brought to the table…
He's extremely valuable....
essentially a 5 million dollar expiring contract if you don’t pick up his contract . WIth the amount of high profile free agents in 2012 as compared to 2011, his value is in his contract, instead of his ability. Jared Jeffries 2.0, just like I said after the trade.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
Persistence isn't generally justification.
The guy I replied to assumed that Thabeet carried value as a potential guy after just disparaging his value as a player. We’ve sat on expiring contracts for quite some time and what did it get us? Oh yea, Hasheem Thabeet. There seems to be pinpricks in this logical balloon…
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Assuming there is gonna be a season
Thabeet has one chance, one season to show truly remarkable progress to get his option picked up. just form a purely cost stand point, anything short of 15-20 minutes of solid play night in and night out makes it really tough to justify a 8 million contract(I’d argue for 8million the guy should be a solid starter), and letting the option expire and renegotiate a reasonable contract rarely happens. We didnt give him the initial contract, but now it’s pretty much becomes an ultimatum of sorts
one could argue that Trailblazer took a similar risk on Oden, but Oden was regarded as a fairly advance player coming into the league, and Portland has been with him since he was drafted, used him fairly confidently as a rotational player even starter before his injuries, they have a better idea of what Greg Oden is and how he is than anyone else. We now have a new coaching staff to hire and and new regime, in many way is another do over for Thabeet, but also a shorter leash. Finch worked with him in NBDL, but Finch also dont get to coach big mans often.
This lockout is not doing Thabeet any favors either
by NVP on Jul 4, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rockets need to pick up any options BEFORE the season
This applies to all the 09ers: Thabeet, Hill, Flynn, TWill. So they’re not going to pick up Thabeet’s option. Nor Flynn’s. Not sure about Hill/TWill.
If Thabeet performs, the Rockets will simply resign him. The Rockets will have capspace and Dwight Howard’s probably not begging to come here. But if DH does for some reason, then I’m sure Morey will eagerly help Thabeet pack his bags out of here.
The reply button on this board seems to not work sometimes
Last post in response to NVP’s post above
Okafor
put some of those ‘assets’ to use. If the hornets recognise that CP3’s on the way out they might be looking to offload okafor. His contracts pretty big but, i suppose youd have to chuck in thabeet even though i dont think we should give up on him yet. hes a big body blocks shots, rebounds, finishes around the ring. We could also use someone to knock down some buzzer beaters haha.
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