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David West opts out… is this the first chip to fall for Morey’s "quest for the one?"
by jake_471 on Jun 28, 2011 8:41 PM CDT
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PrintThe New Orleans Hornets are in trouble. Not just with the roster either, but the entire franchise. It's actually a unique situation, but very complex. David West's decision to opt out may be the spark that causes a wildfire(sale) for the organization. I don't want to get into whether or not it was a good decision for him personally, but instead what does this mean for the Hornets' franchise moving forward.
Let's face it, if the Hornets aren't competitive, they are irrelevant to the NBA, Southwest Division, and the state of Louisiana for that matter. While Chris Paul leaving for greener pastures may be imminent, another team signing West would all but be the nail in that coffin. In fact, it may accelerate the movement of CP3. Due to the Hornets' financial situation, this may be that special case where "young," "cheap," "solid" role players and future picks that Houston has acquired may pay off.
From the position standpoint, the PG may be the deepest spot on the roster, rivaling the PF. While Houston may be "set" currently at the position, this could be our chance to acquire "that" player. You know, the perennial all-star who's one of the top 3 at his position, maybe the best all-around. This is where it gets fun, and all you Morey jrs have to realize that parting ways with something you love has to happen. Personally, i gave up fishing every weekend for a relationship, not that any of you care. So here goes nothing, bash me, praise me, agree or disagree... But let me know if this improbable transaction has any legs. And oh by the way, there's currently 14-15 players on the Rockets right now who supposedly need to play this season, so let's keep that in mind. Obviously Kyle Lowry would be the centerpiece in what is given up.
Edit: This isn't about Houston acquiring West, it's about CP3 being moved to the highest bidder. The title offers more of a cause and effect meaning.
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Before we assume CP3 going to NYK a foregone conclusion, I have one question..
How?
As a free agent, I can see it. But NYK doesn’t have the chips to acquire him in a trade. In fact, I would consider houston a front-runner because of what they have to offer. I believe that every day that goes by, New Orleans is weighing their options. They will eventually realize that their future is more with Harrison Barnes, and not with CP3. The Hornests will make sure they receive a variety of young players/draft picks/an expiring in return. I made a proposition, and it’s going to take a lot. Perhaps too much? (Note I’m not sure if this works as suggested)
Houston gets: Chris Paul (hopefully an extension too), Quincy Pondexter
New Orleans gets: Kyle Lowry, Hasheem Thabeet, Terrence Williams, Jonny Flynn, 2 future first round picks
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
If Paul wants to go to NY via free agency he will have to take a paycut, because NY won’t have enough room for a 3rd max deal, no matter how hard those delusional Knicks fans and writers believe they will.
This is assuming that the CBA locks in all current salaries, does not adjust with exceptions, fails to address free agent spending,
doesn’t allow contract renegotiation or cuts, and the salary cap would be set hard at it’s current level, which most likely will not happen.
Your scenario hinges on 5-6 very unlikely events.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
All of this is like sailing in the ocean and
your GPS says that if you steer 240 degrees for 40 miles you will reach your destination. Then your GPS batteries fail and the wind lays down for 10 hours. The wind resumes but will 240 degrees for 40 miles still get you there? Hard to say. How far did you drift in the 10 hours? We are trying to chart a course without all the needed information. At best you get lost, worst case is no one ever sees you again, (think Cleveland).
When we wake up Friday, the NBA will be in a very different state. Once all that CBA B/S is sorted out, our way forward will be a lot clearer.
hinges on 5-6 unlikely events......
True, but don’t you remember when Miami, new York, chicago, new jersey, and cleveland gutted everything and hoped for the best last summer? Really and truthfully, only cleveland came out with shit on that deal, of course just last week they drafted first and fourth so maybe not.
Fact is, the rockets aren’t going to be a 20 win team anytime soon, so trying to build through the draft moving forward isn’t feasible. Kevin durant is walking through that door so the presti okc plan doesnt work here. I mean next year you have harrison barnes probably going first, but the chances of houston getting in on that is the most unlikely scenario. So we can go through another mediocre season and pray that the gm can somehow move up, but im not going to hold my breath. The argument of there is too much unknown goes back to the root of everything negative I’ve said about daryl. If every decision a gm makes is calculated and contingent on hoping other things don’t happen, then you’re working to not lose your job.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
by jake_471 on Jun 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When it comes to the unlikely events issue, you're comparing apples to oranges when you try to set up labor negotiations next to free agency.
But the fact that Morey has to make such calculated moves is on Leslie Alexander for asking Morey to go ahead and pioneer a new way of rebuilding without ever getting in position to draft a franchise player. If Daryl were to set his own parameters don’t you think we’d go full youth, stink it up, draft high, and get back on our feet? Les is the one saying “Keep gunning for that mediocre 40-45 win area and build me a winner!” The only one to blame for us spinning the tires is Leslie’s expectations at the moment.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Don't we already have a PF coming off of injury to focus on?
As for Paul, if he wants to bolt New Orleans, he’ll sign somewhere, there’s no impetus to change that and force a trade.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
So you are implying that Houston
who has plenty of assets to make a run at CP3, couldn’t convince him to sign here long term? If so, why?
(Not saying you’re wrong, just want to know your thoughts as to why Houston couldn’t eventually sign him to an extension)
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
I'll come back to this, I'm a bit out of it at the moment and I like the exchanges we've been having.
I’ll answer this worthwhile with my view (Since I didn’t really convey it well earlier) probably by tomorrow/Thursday. Heady reading for class tomorrow.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Nobody signs here long-term. They just don't.
Paul will want a team that has gone deep into the playoffs recently or lies in a big enough market to warrant attention. We don’t fit there.
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Carroll Dawson was able to lock up
T-Mac and Yao to extensions in Houston. If Paul came here, Houston’s not a 50 win playoff team with a future?
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
I don’t think Paul wants to be the guy that makes a team competitive. He wants to be the guy that makes a competitive team champions.
by seanbergmanrules on Jun 29, 2011 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Then why
would he ever want to go to NY?
by Bobbythegreat on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Tom touched on my primary issue.
No player signs here long term. T-Mac and Yao signed here long term yes but we also had drafted Yao and accommodated him very well, which aided in his re-signing. For McGrady, we had Yao. You can’t generally get a superstar by himself to re-sign for the long haul in a city like Houston, you need to have your stuff together already. Also, let’s not discuss the fact that, as you say it, this is a “what have you done for me lately.” league and you’re using very dated information to prove a current point. I don’t think Houston should rightfully go ahead and trade places with New Orleans in the “We only have one big ticket guy, please screw us over by walking away after we take you as a rental!” contest.
Chris Paul is one of the reasons why I can’t understand why you judge Morey so harshly. Reports have come out for quite some time that the Rockets are angling extremely hard for Chris Paul unfortunately the other team is demanding damn near everything we have for it and it takes two to tango.
Also, you used one of my favorite words Houston fans have become infatuated with, “assets”. If no one is buying on those “assets” how valuable are they? Not very at all. We need to develop them. We have scrap metal, gasoline, rubber, and plastic and fans try representing it as a Ferrari. I’m sorry guys but ya gotta refine the metal, work with it, treat the rubber, mold the plastic, then put it all together and fuel it with gasoline to make it a Ferrari. It’s not one just because you want it to be one. You call them assets, I call them players. Only through rebuilding and development can they be anything more than just “players on a rebuilding team” and become “assets”.
Paul is the only guy in New Orleans and David West was a second tier star, it doesn’t seem like Chris is going to stay and how far can you get promising a guy to build around him? Ask how Orlando is feeling about their Dwight Howard situation, as Cleveland how that panned out for Lebron, ask how that worked for Cleveland with Boozer.
Chris Paul is not a worthwhile acquisition because all you will have done is lightened your roster by whoever you traded plus one.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
I think the reason why T Mac signed long term here
was because we already had Yao. We had that other player he could play with, and potentially win with. It’s getting that first player that’s the hardest part. Which is why I would’ve liked to see a high draft pick that turns out to be the real deal. It’s just hard to get one of those when you are constantly mediocre. So to me…even if it took selling everything you had to get Paul, you do it. Worst case scenario is that he doesn’t sign long term, you’ve lost a lot of good players, and you’re so bad that you get a great draft pick. At some point, Morey will have to pull the trigger on a player like that. But it does take two to tango, that seems to be the real problem…and I don’t see them trading Paul to us. We’ll have to look elsewhere.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 29, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
i agree with what you say except the last part
Why wouldn’t they trade Paul to us? Let’s remember, the organization is not in good hands financially, so taking back a lot of backloaded salaries probably wont happen. This is why I don’t see them having having a great shot at retaining west. If houston can offer a someone like lowry(very solid with a favorable contract), expirings, and future picks, new orleans will listen. In other words, there’s not too many teams out there who can offer what houston can. And trust me….. NO will not get lebron’d, and let Paul go for nothing.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
by jake_471 on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You and every other analyst always says that Houston can put together a package for every player.
More so every team’s fanbase says that they can offer “The best package” for a player. Subsequently you rant about Daryl when other teams, with top draft picks and what not make big deals with guys drafted in the top 5 but you fault Daryl for Les’s instructions not to do that.
My mind is blowing.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
well please educate us all on the unprecedented future of running a basketball team
And you can start right now the current roster with how 12 players with guaranteed contracts(assuming they sign 1 free agent) and 3 players just drafted are going to fill out a team. Are they going to have team a and team b like in junior high? 4 players with NBA contracts in the d league? Not to mention the several future picks over the next couple seasons. Let’s not fool ourselves, and im not offering a preposterous idea that our team has the best pieces….. but some of theses players have to go. Its pretty cut and dry at this point. I think houston has favorable contracts for the most part, it could be a lot worse. They also have expirings. So when cp3 gets dealt, why not houston? So far everything has led to daryl doesn’t have the brass.
Also you need to get off your soap box and using les as a scapegoat. You don’t have to lose to win in houston, so if the owner doesn’t want to go that route, then guess what? They aren’t going to go that route. If daryl wants to go the easy route and tank, the he should take over for kahn in Minnesota. And again, if houston doesn’t have the pieces to pull off a deal like this, then why is daryl still employed. After all, that’s been his M O for 3 years.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
by jake_471 on Jun 29, 2011 4:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Reading the first part of that was a completely undirected rambling.
You say Houston can put together one of the best packages, I say they can’t. You say we have expiring deals, arguably we do, but not in the capacity it takes to land a franchise player. We aren’t doing what it takes to get the kind of draft pick we need to possibly be a franchise player. If you want Paul you offer something more than middling talent and draft picks (In the teens to late 1st) and a couple expiring deals. To get Deron Williams it took New Jersey a replacement PG of notable skill, the second pick in the NBA draft in Favors, expiring deals, and future picks. I really have no clue where you think Houston can actually match that kind of thing without going forward with a deal similar to NY/Denver. Still then, that took a high lottery pick a bevy of talent, and cap relief to even get done. You have unrealistic expectations and appraisal about these Rockets.
As far as you saying I’m on a soapbox or I’m using Les as a scapegoat, this is coming from a guy who won’t shut the hell up about the Thabeet deal and wants to ride Morey like a shamed mule. It’s been well publicized that Les is looking to keep “winning but keep rebuilding.” That’s impossible. Your reasoning for Houston being a city that shouldn’t have to rebuild is asinine when it’s based on “TV deals, a rich history, and fans.” Sorry but none of that wins games and it sure as shit isn’t attracting free agents.
So I really have no clue what you were asking in the beginning, especially considering we selected three draft picks but only two occupy a roster spot, so we’re not at 15 and we can send the two rookies to the D-League.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
ill ask you the same thing i did twinkilling...
If not houston, then where? Its not going to be a ### hole city like cleveland and its not going to be an already playoff team because if you go through what they have to offer, its mostly crap compared to houston. Maybe atl or orlando can package players, but still, then they are just swapping payrolls. At that point im sure NO would just let cp3 expire. This goes back to the original post. New orleans isn’t Utah or denver. Right now, its a very unique situation, one where maybe you can get gold for dog #### as I like to say. No houston can’t offer someone like favors, but I think they can offer someone on felton and galinaris level.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
by jake_471 on Jun 29, 2011 7:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Your assumption is that New Orleans won't wind up in the same position that Cleveland was with with Lebron.
The situation is drastically different from Carmelo’s as well and you’re treating it the same. Anthony has incentive to push a trade as hard as he did, the new CBA. Paul will be under the new CBA no matter what. Not to mention the idea that it would be a rental here that would just deplete us anyway which, as much as you like to let Les off the hook, would cause us to dive right into the shithole once he leaves and Les is pretty insistent on us not doing that.
It’s not a unique situation, it’s an unstable situation. What makes it more interesting is twitter is leaking stories about the fact that insiders are saying “The two sides are so far apart we may not see basketball until 2013.” So really, New Orleans might not even get a choice in the whole fiasco.
So for me, given the fact that Houston has no top draft picks, no top lottery talent, mediocre to very good players on “value” contracts all adds up to "Getting Paul would cause us to gut half our roster and cause the talent in the trade to break even OR send more than what we get for a rental who will just walk for free agent money anyways.
Who wants to play musical chairs with New Orleans for “Who is going to fool themselves that he’ll stay?” Surely I don’t.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
well.
I’d say it’s more that the Rockets FO is unwilling to part with what it would take to get those players. And rightfully so, from everything I’ve seen. CP3 would, of course, be a fantastic get and I’d be thrilled to see him in ketchup and mustard, but he’s not worth what it would take to get him.
That, of course, being every desirable player on the Rockets. You’re right when you say we need to develop the young guys, since Houston has a very good training and teaching staff, and a whole bunch of seemingly hopeless or mediocre players have turned into pretty solid players.
I honestly think the most likely scenario for Houston breaking through is to be the next Pistons. None of these 14th picks are going to turn into the next Tim Duncan or even Danny Granger, and The city of Houston is…. not a hot location. Maybe if there was a beach?
And Daryl won’t ever get a FA in trade, because he’s not a total buffoon. He didn’t get Melo or Bosh, but really that’s probably for the best. With guys like Kahn and Walsh ready to just give up half the roster for a pretty famous guy, it’s going to be hard to convince someone to take a reasonable deal.
And I really hope I’m wrong on a lot of this.
The city of Houston does have a beach. Its called G-A-L-V-E-S-T-O-N.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 7, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say we don't have anywhere near the best package
The same way the Nets got D Will, that’s how somebody will get Paul. Tons of top draft picks, A young player with star potential (I don’t think Morris or PP will get that done, maybe they’ll like the ‘09 draft though), and a place where Paul wants to play. I’d say he would choose many other places before he chooses Houston. It just makes all the sense in the world that he’ll either end up in NY or he’ll follow Dwight wherever he goes, although that is 100% speculation.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 29, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
this is where you and bd decide to use that thing
Inside your head and actually think rationally. This isn’t a shot at anyone and I usually agree with you on most things twin twin…. But let’s go over a possible destinations for Paul. So far, all the speculation has been new York….. but they can’t trade for him, they can only hope to sign him as a free agent and those chances may be dwindled
So as of right now besides houston, where is a possible destination for cp3 and what all do they have to offer? Before you assume, oh we could never get him in a trade, well who has a better shot? What do they have to offer? Would Paul like that place as a possible destination? So if not houston, then where?
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
by jake_471 on Jun 29, 2011 7:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't really say where, with a lot of certainty
the Knicks are still a possibility, they could turn Billups and others into something that the Hornets want. More than likely that won’t happen, but you never know. The big piece of this to me is that they have to trade Paul where he wants to go. The best deal for the Hornets would be to a team that Paul wants to play for, because they can get more out of that team than they could a team that wants to rent him. With 3 team trades and an off season that hasn’t happened yet, most teams probably have a better chance than us. I say that because we don’t have that one player that a trade would revolve around, the same way Favors to Utah happened. Scola is older with a big contract, Lowry is a nice player but nowhere near what they would want for Paul. If you want a list of teams that have a better chance, I’ll throw some others out there…even though you could probably give reasons why he won’t go to these teams. Knicks, Lakers, Magic, Hawks, Mavericks, Thunder, Celtics, Grizzlies, Blazers (although they did just trade for Felton, but still)…all of those teams have the talent to get a deal done for Paul, most of these I’d say he’d wanna play for.
Now all of that was just opinion and speculation. My opinion that other teams around the league don’t value our players is also speculation, but I believe it’s true. It’s going to take a special player that wants to play here, or a high draft pick that has no choice but to play here…and he falls in love with the team. By the way, I’d rather have Howard than Paul..but that ain’t happening either.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 29, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate reading longs posts
so I apologize to anyone that couldn’t get through it. Even I had trouble reading it a second time. I’m not the brightest crayon in the box
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 29, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
see thats the point.....
All the teams you mentioned might interest Paul, but NO isn’t going to take on higher salary players in return. The franchise needs a buyer, and no one seems interested. Not to mention they caught shit in the Thornton-Landry deal. And an unlikely improbable trade of cp3 to a contender would only raise more eye brows.
Franchises in their situation for the most part dump salary. This is why I think west is as good as gone in NO. This where the beauty of the future picks comes in. Extremely valuable, yet they aren’t going to impact payroll immediately. Also, when did houston become an undesirable city to come play? I don’t think it is as much as to what’s perceived on this board, but that discussion is for another day
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
by jake_471 on Jun 29, 2011 7:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But those teams I mentioned (for the most part)
do have younger talent that isn’t extremely expensive. Then they could add expiring contracts and 1st round picks (if those teams can acquire some picks) and take back the contract of Okafor. And it’s not that Houston is undesirable, it’s just not at the same level as a handful of other places to play.
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 29, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's where you over-exaggerate things again.
Houston’s picks are predominantly late first rounders which do not garnish much attention at all. Remember it took (originally) the 23rd and the 38th in a WEAK draft to get the 20th overall pick… 3 spots in the late first round took a late first and an early second to STILL be in the late first round. You’re over-valuing the hell out of our picks, most of which are lottery protected/will be in the late first round at best.
Houston was an undesirable city to come play in when we’ve had several years of free agents pass over the city for a sexier location. You must have missed that our biggest turd in the free agency toilet bowl over the last few years was Brad Miller/Bonzi Wells/Stromile Swif.
New Orleans as a franchise right now is mostly like leverage in CBA talks anyway. Ever since the league took ownership of the franchise they can point to the leasing issues that will allow the team to be moved and just call it all contraction bait anyway.
As far as the comment about twin and I and “using that thing between our ears.” We’re just not leaping to conclusions that the CBA will be exactly like it is, that New Orleans HAS to trade Paul, that this situation is similar to Carmelo Anthony’s situation, or that we’re ignorant to the fact that History hasn’t drawn a single major free agent in 4-5 years.
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-TCWIR paraphrased
Hey man
Chris Bosh got an ipad from our GM…does that count as drawing a major free agent???
by twinkilling0303 on Jun 29, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
of course they havent got a major free agent in 4-5 years.....
they had 40 million tied up into 2 guys. So when you say Houston can’t sign free agents, in the last 6-7 years, who did they really miss out on? They were tied up to make any big offers.
What if the new agreement rewards players for staying with the franchise more than it does now? What if franchises who lose players receive compensatory draft picks?
Fact is, when the rumormill around Paul starts, Houston is going to be a team in the conversation. If our GM can’t sell the city of Houston to an elite player to come here, what’s the point of stockpiling assets. (And no I didn’t use that term first, the can-do-no-wrong GM himself has used it several times.) If it’s to move up in the draft and not acquire a player, then move up in the draft. “But Jake, it’s not that easy.” boo-****ing hoo! The difference in getting a job done and not should be the difference in being employed or looking for work.
Note:the rant isn’t so much about firing the GM as much as it is about brain-washed Houston fans who think he’s the second coming.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
So now you're hinging part of your argument on the uncertainty of the CBA that runs contrary to your prior argument?
I wasn’t griping about the so-called assets. I dislike labeling our players as assets personally because I think we need to pick talent we want then run with it, not stockpile it. If you’re going to put it on Daryl that he’s had to scrape pennies to get what he has to try to move around and other teams aren’t buying it, you’re putting your blame on the wrong person. It takes two to tango and if you’re saying it’s all Morey’s fault then you’re making rampant assumptions. Les has handicapped his ability to get high picks because Les doesn’t want a down year.
What I don’t get is you complain about not pulling off a deal or landing a big ticket free agent but you readily acknowledge that we have been in no position to get a high draft pick, sign a free agent, or parlay the relevant pieces for a franchise player. You generally need a high lottery pick/top 5 talent to go in a trade for a superstar, we haven’t had that, yet somehow this is Daryl’s fault when his boss has told him, in short, that he can get the axe for going that route?
Yes, Houston will be in the conversation. It will go along the lines of “So, think Houston can get him?” and that response will be “They don’t have much we want, some middling talent and expirings…”
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Well I'm just having a hard time
finding a good franchise in a good city putting together a package for him when he leaves. Mind you I’m assuming Cleveland, Minnesota, Toronto, Charlotte, Milwakee, and Detriot aren’t likely destinations. Your mindset is like, I will never bang that chick, she’s out of my league. Well sometimes, the stars align and she gets drunk or is looking for a rebound so you find yourself in a favorable situation. In other words, Paul won’t have half the leverage Melo had in forcing his way to another city due to the financial state of the Hornets. It might be a scenario where it won’t take as much, and we all know that’s right up Daryl’s alley.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
The leverage is entirely different because Anthony had to beat out the new CBA.
Paul is subject to it no matter what.
My mindset is I know what we are and what we have to offer and I know the kind of woman that pulls. Yes, sometimes you wind up out of your league on a good day but it’s best not to assume you’re in the same league as NY when you’re knocking around more of the kind of league that… shit, I can’t even compare it to something like Toronto because Toronto is world class, clean, and beautiful.
My point is, we don’t have what it takes to make it work because Alexander won’t let Daryl go ahead and take the route that lands us the kind of pieces needed to pull it off.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
So what you’re saying is its basically all on Adelman.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 7, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
West is not a go-to-guy.
He’s like Martin. A good second option, but not as effective when a #1 option.
Leave West be. He’s a good player, but he doesn’t fit our rebuilding team.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
David West isn't the point of focus here
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
Yeah, the meaning of this wasn't to imply
we need to try and acquire David West. Apparently I over-estimated TDS’s ability to read. The purpose is that CP3’s Robin is likely heading elsewhere. A franchise with poor ownership will not spend, overspend for a guy coming off a serious injury at that.
Without West, they will not be competitive IMO, and that will lead to Carmelo 2.0, only in this case Paul. New Orleans will move CP3 to the highest bidder. This is the point, not David West.
Welcome to Houston Kevin McHale. Just remember "It was Minnesota" is no longer an excuse.
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT DAVID WEST
It’s funny how most people haven’t really read the thread. Just the title.
I think we should go after CP3 with everything we have. Sure Lowry is awesome, but this is Chris Paul we are talking about. A guy who made Aaron Grey look good. He is the best passing point guard in the game and can easily be the person behind whom the franchise is built.
A CP3, Kevin Martin backcourt would be the best in the NBA
You What! I Didnt Read It Cuz The Title!
I felt like if i read it i was going to get sick saying SIGN DAVID WEST
Hater's Better Kiss My A** & Call It Sweet!
by TheBookOfOlu on Jun 28, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
CP# is not 6'9 and not a PF
Why would we go after him? He wouldn’t fit in.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
Sorry for being lazy and not reading the post.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
If CP3 cant play Power Forward! I dont want him!
naw just kidding. But i like our team if we can get him and keep D-Mo, T-Will, Lowry, and Marcus Morris im all for it
Hater's Better Kiss My A** & Call It Sweet!
by TheBookOfOlu on Jun 29, 2011 1:52 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
CP3 not so squeezey
I always pick CP3 early in fantasy basketball but I wouldn’t want him in real life unless we had a Yao and Scola healthy. He would cost us our future in picks/youth and by the time we got our roster together he is likely to have bone on bone in that knee.
I would be looking to get their future picks i.e. 2013 if they are still in the league.
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IMHO CP3 is not the droid we need.
We do pretty well at the point right now. How many other team had two points record triple doubles last year? And that does not count our newest point acquisition. That and the fact that CP3 has had some injury issues makes me want to pass on this episode of “I want to be traded”.
would the hornets trade CP3 within the division?
even though they are owned by the league and should do whatever makes financial sense… i don’t think they’d do that.
cp3 for hill, lee, lowry plus future 1st round picks
so the hornets can become houston rockets 2.0
c hill
pf landry
sf ariza
sg lee
pg lowry
by vancouver_grizzlies on Jul 2, 2011 11:31 PM CDT reply actions
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