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Game 14 Recap: Rockets Less Ugly Than Pistons, 97-80

MEMO TO: ANONYMOUS ROCKETS EXECUTIVE.

SUBJECT: PISTONS-ROCKETS, 17 JANUARY 2012

VENUE: TOYOTA CENTER HOUSTON, TEXAS.

OFFICIALS: YES.

WHISTLES: LIMITED.

OBJECTIVE: CREATE UNWATCHABLE BASKETBALL WITHOUT THE USE OF FREE THROW SHOTS. GIVE HOUSTON WIN TO REACH .500.

REASON: LOW ATTENDANCE.

MISSION: BURRITO, AS SOON AS THE GAME ENDS. LOCATION ON WEST ALABAMA. BRING GIRLS.

Star-divide

FULL REPORT IN NUMBERED FORMAT:

1. MISSION FAILING IN FIRST QUARTER. ROCKETS AHEAD, BUT SCORE 28 POINTS. DETROIT HELD IN CHECK. MUST SLOW ROCKETS BY INSERTING JORDAN HILL.

2. RETROSPECTIVE: GAVE JORDAN HILL FLU-LIKE SYMPTOMS WITH USE OF SHADY MEDICAL SHOT. SUCCESSFUL VENTURE -- HILL GOES EIGHT MINUTES WITHOUT A POINT OR REBOUND. SIDE EFFECTS INCLUDE ONE ASSIST.

3. SECOND HALF BEGINS. IS THAT TJ YATES IN THE THIRD ROW? OH MY GOD IT'S TJ YATES HOLD ON A SECOND YOU GUYS JUST GIVE ME A SECOND.

4. MIDWAY THROUGH THIRD QUARTER. SAMUEL DALEMBERT IS ROCKETS GO-TO OPTION. CHECKPOINT COMPLETE.

5. MISSION SLIP-UP: DETROIT SHOOTS FIRST FREE THROW WITH 3:34 LEFT IN THIRD QUARTER. SHUTOUT FAILED. ALSO, DID CLYDE DREXLER JUST SAY, "HE'S NOT GONNA MISS THAT SHOT VERY MANY." DID THAT HAPPEN?

6. KYLE LOWRY MAKES THREE-POINTER FROM UNMEASURABLE DISTANCE. DID NOT EXPECT THIS. SEARCHING FOR RAFER ALSTON.

7. GREG MONROE SCORES FIRST BASKET IN FOURTH QUARTER WITH TEN MINUTES LEFT. CHECKPOINT COMPLETE.

8. ROCKETS BEGIN LARGE SCORING RUN. TURNOVERS NOT ENOUGH. NEED BAD SHOTS. INSERT JEFF ADRIEN.

9. LEAVE TERRENCE WILLIAMS ON BENCH TO MAKE A POINT, BECAUSE EVERYONE IS DOING IT.

10. FINAL NUMBERS:

ASSIST-TO-TURNOVER NUMBERS: HOUSTON 20 TURNOVERS, 15 ASSISTS.

STARTERS MINUTES: LIMITED.

COMBINED OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS: 68. POSSIBLE MISCALCULATION.

JONAS JEREBKO: 2-8 FROM FIELD. UNEXPECTED BENEFIT.

FINAL ASSESSMENT: UGLY PERFORMANCE, BUT ULTIMATELY A SUCCESS. MISSION: COMPLETE.

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I feel the pain.

Just got my second case and I’m doing intake tomorrow on it.

by BD34 on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yikes, good luck.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 17, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Try bullritos too

I haven’t been able to find a burrito that satisfies me as well as a good Bullrito. When my roommate took me there a few months ago, it was a life changing moment.

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by Patrick Harrel on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Bullritos is better.

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by bone31crusher on Jan 18, 2012 1:01 AM CST up reply actions  

i dnt think so bro

Chipotle den bullritos den mission den tutty fruity den freebirds……jus sayin

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by mitmil22 on Jan 18, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting Memo style

the game was shitty and painful. However, I think Parson’s nickname should be “come on baby, just let me put the tip in” Parsons. STFU, you’ve all been there.

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by A.J. G on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 PM CST reply actions  

THank you

I was worried this real world reference would go to waste…

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by A.J. G on Jan 18, 2012 6:35 AM CST up reply actions  

didn't get a chance to watch

no league pass. however, I thoroughly enjoyed the spurs getting owned by the wade-less heat. talk about a tale of two teams. unbeaten at home, winless on the road. back to the rockets. the stat sheet would imply a total team effort, points spread around as well as assists. the score would imply strong defense. am I to understand that I am being misled?

by HTown80 on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

I didnt watch it either, but...

It’s the Rockets and Detroit. We shot 50% from the field and 40% from the 3 and still failed to crack triple digits.

by Photomoney on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Turnovers

Cut them to 15 and you have a 100+ point game.

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by mjdinhouston on Jan 18, 2012 6:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Correct, Kinda

The scoring was thrown around. No one took over for any given quarter and all the starters scored consistently in the first 3 qtrs (barley played in the 4th). Lowry played at human levels but the talk is he may have aggravated his foot injury VS Washington.

Sammy D played brilliant D on Monroe. Martin played horrible D on Prince. But our team D was pretty good for both units. Neither team could control the ball though as evident in the turnovers numbers. We dominated the glass, Monroe only began rebounding in the second half.

by Camouflage14 on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 AM CST up reply actions  

turnovers?

I didn’t check that stat

by HTown80 on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Just watched this...

What an ugly game.

Just what is the theory with that Detroit team? What are they trying to do?

This is probably a conjecture easily disproven by research, but here it is – if Tayshaun Prince is your high scorer, you’re going to lose. He’s a good player, and actually the guy that Chandler Parsons reminds me of, but he’s so unassertive on offense, that if he’s your scoring, you’re cooked if you’re Detroit.

The Rockets looked tired and uninterested once they figured out they were a lot better than Detroit. Nonetheless they powered through and won easily. Every time Detroit got close its like they woke up and said "Really? No, I think not." – and slapped the Pistons down.

Also, anyone think Kyle Lowry isn’t a star now? Anyone?

Just crazy busy with life and business travel right now, so I’ve been away from TDS a bit – should be around more towards the weekend.

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by Xiane on Jan 18, 2012 12:02 AM CST reply actions  

if Tayshaun Prince is your high scorer, you’re going to lose

Would require far more time than I have to check in-depth, but Prince has had (including tonight) 101 games in which he has scored 20 or more points. Of those, the Pistons have won 77 of them. So, maybe, maybe not. I sort of see it the other way: if Prince is outscoring everyone, then probably it’s because Detroit was having a banner day on offense. Not so much today, though.

Just what is the theory with that Detroit team? What are they trying to do?

Bill Simmons echoed my own thoughts when he said that they’re put together like a fantasy team. There’s little coherence to the team — it’s just a bunch of guys who can play multiple positions. Everyone is a swing-forward or combo guard. The only guy who has any sort of definite place is Monroe, and even that is up in the air.

The problem was that they went to rebuild in ‘09 and then blew all of their cap space by outbidding themselves for Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva. If they were a team with Greg Monroe, a bunch of weird positionless glue guys, Rodney Stuckey, and $15 million in cap space, they’d be a very interesting team this summer. But with all that money tied up in older, largely shitty players, they’re kind of fucked until the contracts are almost up.

The good news, however, is that Greg Monroe is very good (didn’t show it today, though) and very young. Good combination. Just need to hold on to him…

Of course, they could trade him to the Rockets and I’d be very happy.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 18, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not willing to check into Tayshaun Prince in depth at any level.

The dude just bugs me somehow. I still think if he’s the Piston’s top scorer they lose because something has gone badly wrong elsewhere, like Monroe getting stonewalled by Dalembert.

And yeah, the Ben Gordon and Villanueva deals were shocking. When does Gordon’s deal end, anyway? 2020?

Detroit is proof of my Swiss Army Knife theory. Having a couple of multi position guys is good. Having a team full of them is fatal.

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by Xiane on Jan 18, 2012 1:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Deceptive stat

Because when they run the offense thru him and he’s off,they lose,like a lot.
Watched a ton of Detroit last yr-yes my McGrady love has no limits-and the problem w/Prince as the primary scorer is he does it all in slow-motion iso,totally icing the rest of his teammates.

My belief is Dumars tried to replicate the Pistons he played on w/combo guards like himself and Zeke,outside shooting bigs and Prince as Rodman. Problem is he’s completely ignored defending,rebounding bigs-well,bigs in general-and really blew it w/Charlie V and dumping a couple of prospects way too soon.

by Tisbee on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Without the bruisers and scorers up front he's never going to make that team.

Also that team basically isn’t allowed to play in the NBA anymore.

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by Xiane on Jan 18, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't imagine being a Detroit fan right now.

I couldn’t subject myself to those kinds of games on a regular basis. Although that 2004 Trophy is still mighty shiny if I’m a Detroit fan.

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by .Bonzo on Jan 18, 2012 12:07 AM CST reply actions  

4 game winning streak!!!

So much for tanking.

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by Stupendous Man on Jan 18, 2012 12:29 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

We beat Portland on a second game of a back to back

And portland has wins against the Lakers, OKC and Clippers.

I think the bigger factor was not Brandon Roy, cause we didnt have Yao either, but Portland not having Camby. Either way a win is a win and a streak is a streak and we are now officialy at .500!!

#Baby steps

by Texas08 on Jan 18, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Looking at the Schedule the Rockets have a chance to win out in January

Every decent matchup we face, that team is coming into the second game of a back to back on the road. San Antonio plays Kings then us, Knicks play Miami then us on the last game of their 4 game road trip.

14-7 with a 11 game win streak going into February would be nice!!!!!!

by Texas08 on Jan 18, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Roy has not been a factor for years, even though he just retired this year, his knees have been done for years.

by since86rocketsfan on Jan 18, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Ehhh, pointing to Brandon Roy is a pretty lame out.

The Blazers are very good this year. They’ll probably finish between the 4-6 seeds in the West.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 18, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Just saying he was a difference maker in the past.

Easy to key in on a team with only one real threat. Plus, I need more than the 10 games or so into the season before passing judgment.

by BD34 on Jan 18, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

It's early to call anything on this team, especially as it is just now starting to take shape.

That said, winning a bunch on a 6 game 8 night stretch isn’t bad.

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by Xiane on Jan 18, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It is pretty good.

I would definitely like to see numbers at the end of the season about how teams fare on these kind of stretches. In a regular season this is impressive because it’s rare, in a lockout shortened season it’s playing the schedule. Yea?

by BD34 on Jan 18, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

So far shown up in a huge home-court advantage

20% of games in and in both East and West 7 of 15 teams have either 1 or 0 home losses.
Only 1 team in West over .500 on road.
Looks like road wins are going to have a huge impact on standings.

And the East is really weak.
West is 38-21 vs East,and if you take out Minn’s 1-6 against East,the rest of West is 37-15 against East.
Good luck tanking against the East’s suckitude. GS is 0-5 against the West and 5-3 vs East.

by Tisbee on Jan 18, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, the Rockets came out about as flat and uninterested as they could be last night.

And IT JUST DIDN’T MATTER. They pulled away from Detroit at will. The good East teams are good, the rest are really really bad.

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by Xiane on Jan 18, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm already seeing the baffling losses and blowouts mount, though I haven't analyzed it.

I’d think the strongest teams this year are going to be the ones that win on the road. At this point it certainly doesn’t include the Rockets. Even Miami, though, got pounded on a West Coast swing.

I think we’re going to have seriously random results in the playoffs too. I think it really is anyone’s year.

Can anyone explain why we’re seeing Jeff Adrian before TWill?

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by Xiane on Jan 18, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

How about Thabeet not suited up with Hill sick?

Funny thing about T-Will,he wasn’t pouting from the camera shots I saw.
Was out encouraging starters before tip-off,really enthused on bench.
He’s either in eff it mode,I’m outahere soon,or McHale(or Morey) had a talk telling him something is going down soon and he’ll get his chance.

But I did find it odd he wasn’t given any run in last two minutes when game was over.

by Tisbee on Jan 18, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm wondering if Budinger gets moved.

He’s a pretty good scorer, and extremely salary friendly.

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by Xiane on Jan 18, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Talked about it before, I know

But probably. Probably the most valuable piece on the team to a contender.

Markets for Scola and Martin are a bit weirder. Think Scola gets moved before Martin does. He’s declining but dumber teams probably won’t see it the same way.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 18, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I wondered the same thing about Thabeet

If Hill was sick, why was he inactive? And Adrien before T-Will?? Something weird is happening…..Trades maybe? LOL. You know teams dont activate players who are getting traded…..

#wishful thinking

by Texas08 on Jan 18, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

He is?

Or are we relying on his rookie season with some herpes-esque flare ups last year for this judgment whereas this season he’s been pretty lackluster?

by BD34 on Jan 18, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

This is definitely his worst season, offensively.

But he’s 23 and paid less than $1 million. Still shoots 35% from three point range and gives you decent per-minute numbers for very, very cheap. That’s worth quite a bit to a team that is over the cap this year and needs to add some stuff to its bench (the Celtics come to mind).

Besides, do you look at the 14 games so far this season or 166 from his career when evaluating whether or not to trade for him? I’d put way more money on “He’ll rebound, this is temporary” than “Dohohoho, this is the beginning of the end for the Budinger saga!”

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 18, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, considering Scola had good production last season but with the knee surgery I said he'd drop off this year

I think you take the present into account. With Budinger when you look at the totality of his career you see more indications that he’s a streaky back up than a consistent spark. So even looking at his brief career as an indicator I’m not buying high or assuming he’s “worth quite a bit” to a team unless they’re just plain poor at evaluating contributions.

by BD34 on Jan 18, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It depends on what you need.

What if you’re Chicago, and you desperately need someone (anyone) to score the ball besides Rose? What if you’re Boston and you desperately need someone who isn’t ancient, who might put up some points and run down the court for a dunk with Rondo passing to him? All for less than $1 million?

It’s not just what someone can do in the context of pure stats, it’s also stats for money. Either way the guy is a bargain. Most Rockets fans seem to look at him and say “Ah, he’s not quite a frontline SF – so terribly disappointing!”

Other teams might see something very different – the potential for a lot of points, rebounds, ok passing and often ok D for not a lot more than veteran minimum. He certainly won’t kill you if he starts, or plays big minutes, and while he’s streaky, the range is there, the finishing ability is there, and he’s fairly savvy about going to the rim.

For a mid second rounder the guy is a shining success.

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by Xiane on Jan 18, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

For a mid second rounder the guy is a shining success.

’09 draft redo. Where does Bud get taken? Should be a massive reshuffling in that draft just in the top 10, but Bud and Thorton (43rd and 44th picks) might re-enter the lottery, I think.

At least six guys move out of the lottery: Flynn, Hill, DeRozan, Williams, Henderson, and Earl Clark.

There were a lot of average-ish-to-very-good players taken with later picks in that draft (DeJuan Blair, Ty Lawson, Jodie Meeks, etc.). Lots of total washouts taken relatively early, too.

Teams suck at drafting. Good for the Rockets.

Anyways, Bud is actually ranked 13th in Win Shares in the ’09 class. If you just drafted by that, and even if you plugged Rubio into the lottery (as you should), Bud would be in the lottery.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 18, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a good point.

So I’m standing by “Budinger is a very valuable player” thesis. He was talked about as a lottery pick, and he’s played to the level of one, albeit in a so-so draft class.

Now I wish there was a quick way to compare what his stats would cost in a veteran player. It’s more, but I’m betting it’s like 3-5 million more.

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by Xiane on Jan 18, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The cost/win in the NBA was $1.7 million last year.

Going by win shares, Bud is a 3-win player (roughly average). B-Pro pegs him at a little below 3 wins (roughly average). So that would be about $5 million/year. He makes around 800k right now.

So, yeah, probably $3-5 million more.

And, keep in mind that for a lux. tax team, each dollar added onto payroll costs another dollar. So the difference between bud (worth about $5 million) and his luxury tax price (little less than $2 million) is enormous compared to, say, Kyle Korver, who is worth a little more in wins (about $7 million) but who makes a lot more money (about $5 million before the tax).

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

It's all these exceptions and advanced stats justifications that make me lose faith in this fan base.

It’s not that Bud isn’t a starter and therefore he is disappointing, it’s that Bud is at best a career back up due to inconsistencies and his lack of being able to legitimately contribute much if he’s not scoring.

Then there’s the closing comment “For a mid second rounder the guy is a shining success.” He’s doing well for a mid-second rounder but again, for a mid second rounder. That’s like saying “He’s strong for a toddler.” Sure, he’s strong, but with tempered and lowered expectations. Since when did lowered expectations yield much in ways of a franchise doing well?

You seriously overrate Bud’s “potential contributions to other teams” when you can look at his body of work in Houston and see it went from “impressive rookie season” to “I hope to God he learns to rebound so he contributes SOMETHING.” and that arc has to be considered.

by BD34 on Jan 19, 2012 6:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Well now you're just searching for an out just to search for an out.

It’s pretty simple: Budinger shoots a good percentage from three, can get out in transition and has a cheap contract. Somewhere, on some team, he’d be a great fit as a third guy off the bench.

And that’s just now. Give him more time and perhaps he’ll peak in three years with 12 ppg and learn how to rebound. You’re ending his career before it even takes off.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 19, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus, everyone talks about him *now* when all we've seen is an erratic run since his rookie season.

So forgive me for being the voice of being level on this. By year 3, Morey’s evaluation point, guys are roughly all they should be. He lost a starting job to Parsons and arguably should lose his bench spot to Terrence Williams. Arguing that he’ll be great “off the bench for a contender” ignores his inconsistent and arguably poor performance for two years.

by BD34 on Jan 19, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

So we come at you with stats that show he's an average player,

we show why that would be valuable to a contender, and we’re the ones being unreasonable.

The schtick is really cute, BD, but it’s also getting annoying.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 19, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm

Yeah, I can see some moves in the future. You’re probably right on the TWill point, it’s certainly one of the two. Hope we move someone out for some playing time for him, he’s eager to prove himself more.

My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.

by f22a4bandit on Jan 18, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Patterson had a great game tonight.

We need to keep on giving him 24+ minutes per game. He’s a better rebounder and a much better defender than Scola is, and his offensive game is coming along. His jumper appears to be back, and his footwork in the post looks good.

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by bone31crusher on Jan 18, 2012 1:04 AM CST reply actions  

Patterson needs more minutes

to reduce Scola’s fatigue. If anyone would feel the pangs of the compressed schedule its Luis and its showing.

by Camouflage14 on Jan 18, 2012 3:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Patterson

looked fatigued early this seasons… If that’s the case, let’s hope that he gets his legs and starts getting more minutes. He looked very good as a bench, role player tonight.

by AhForJustOneTime on Jan 18, 2012 4:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind Patterson as the starter.

The bench would look a lot better with Dragic, Lee, Bud, Scola, Hill and what the starting 5 lost in offense it’d gain in defense.

by Christopher Dion Harris on Jan 18, 2012 8:02 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Love the way Parsons is playing

Imagine the Rockets with a shooting forward that can actually score AND defend.
PPat coming along nicely.
That flu-like stuff is going around the locker room. Just like it does with your kids. When one gets it everyone gets it.
You are right about Detroit. Whenever I am mad at Morey I look at their line up.

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by mjdinhouston on Jan 18, 2012 6:28 AM CST reply actions  

Damn, this recap made me laugh my ass off

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by The Chuckwagon has rolled on on Jan 18, 2012 6:41 AM CST reply actions  

For me it's endgame. We have some gaping needs on this team that late round draft picks won't solve.

We’re not in a position to fix those needs and we won’t ever compete for a title and don’t you want a title in Houston again (That the Texans aren’t forced to bring?). It’s good for confidence but we’re also horrible away from home (half our games) and have beat up on really bad teams WITH our bench giving up leads (everywhere).

by BD34 on Jan 18, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

dats true

our bench is weak…mainly cuz lee was hurt doe…..and we had dat hard schedule in da begginin bro….. jus sayin…….we need to do sumtin wchic i think we will at da trade deadline or befor………iuno bro…….i feel alot of what u say bro u one of my faves on here jus i think i do have more confidence den i should in da rockets players and organization as a whole den u……we do need a pick but i think we could make a trade to get a lottery pick bro……jus gotta see til trade deadline before i start complaining

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by mitmil22 on Jan 18, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

So close to being 100% right..... gave Pistons too much credit
Dalembert has been doing a good job keep young centers in check

Hopefully the trend continues so I say ADVANTAGE ROCKETS in the center position.

Rockets win 97 – 89

by Texas08 on Jan 17, 2012 8:37 AM PST replyactions

Final score 97-80
Greg Monroe – 4pts
Rockets win!!!!

by Texas08 on Jan 18, 2012 7:40 AM CST reply actions  

good post ha

blam the turnovers on tired legs lowry sent some passes lazly were they didnt seem to have much of a chance and lee coming back woulda possibly messed up the team a tiny but but mostly the tired legs really supprised and the lack of whistles in this game

by IrishThrasher on Jan 18, 2012 8:17 AM CST reply actions  

Lockout ball at its finest.

by VBG on Jan 18, 2012 8:36 AM CST reply actions  

This goes out to BD. While your insight is good and facts are basicly true lets be more respectful. Rockets are eaning it

You have taken the role to point out how all Rockets fans are losers for supporting our team because the Rockets are not a contender and that is all that matters. The Rockets have had to try to overcome losing 2 allstars. This is the 1st season of being free of those contracts. Morey has put together a young team with only 2 players over 30 and 1 player pushing the 30 mark. No bad contracts in my opinion. I am hoping we make a deal for a star but even if that does not happen I am proud to be a fan of the team we have. I understand 3 of the 4 wins have been against poor teams and have not been has strong as they should. BUT they have been wins. You seem to think winning and a goal of JUST making the playoffs is a bad thing because we will not draft high enough to get a star player in the draft. While your facts are correct, You are looking at it in a warped perspective. Lowry has developed into a good PG.Where was he drafted? Patterson still may become a strong PF. Its to early to tell but there is still a very good chance at least one of our current young players will be a future allstar and at least a couple good role players. While you should always strive to be the best you can, everybody can not be the Best. Striving to be the best means trying to win as a team as well as an individual. Not doing your best is the only thing that can make you a real loser. I have only been a Rockets fan since moving to Texas in 95, before that I was a Celtic fan. I am proud of how hard our Rockets play and think we are better than last year and will be better in the future.
You are in school to be a Lawyer and I hope you will not just give up if you realize you are not going to be the BEST in your profession. I wish you luck and hope you strive to be the best you can. That is what will make you a winner.
Keep pointing out all sides but lets be supporters of the Rockets.
Rants of an old man.

by arnold p on Jan 18, 2012 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

I'm completely proud with watching development, I'm on record stating that several times.

What I am saying is that by hoping for some major flukes to happen or some steal to fall in our lap we’re not a franchise that will ever be relevant. Improvement causes pain. What warped perspective do I employ? The law of probability that a high pick turns out to be a good player? The fact that picking 14th tends not to yield franchise players? The fact that there are many teams better than the Rockets and the Rockets are not in position to be better than those teams but for a massive outbreaks of death amongst other NBA rosters or someone donating a star for nothing.

I appreciate taking the time to try to call me out but I want to know what’s warped about wanting long term success rather than me feeling good for now because my team can get to .500.

by BD34 on Jan 18, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you get long term by keeping on trying to win.

I agree that 14th pick has way less of a chance to get a francise player. In fact I agree with most of your perspectives. Just seems you are always looking at the negatives. Sometimes in is a fine line between being a realist or just being negative. Personally I like to feel I can be objective and a realist without being all negative. I have enjoyed your insight and I too feel a lot of people on this sight have unrealistic expectations of the talent we have.

I am just a supporter of developing a winning ATTITUDE while trying to develop young talent. I want the Rockets to continue getting better And look to make a trade IF something develops. While winning a championship should be a goal it is not the only objective. Only 1 team can win the championship every year.

I do not think anything less is a failure.

by arnold p on Jan 18, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

So you're ok with being one-and-done in the playoffs every year?

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Jan 18, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm all for a winning attitude but Kevin Durant actually issued a really good statement to the Wizards about their rebuild that this site could learn from:
Keep faith, man. You’ve got to go through tough stretches. I’ve been through that for two years in this league, losing a hundred games in two years. Just keep faith in your hard work and things are going to change. They have the right talent here, the front office is doing the right thing. In no time, they’ll be pretty good.

I feel like Rockets fans are more interested in the instant payoff rather than understanding longevity comes from endurance. You win as a team and lose as a team but being buoyed at .500 or consistently getting knocked out in the first round isn’t conducive to a winning attitude either (Win in the regular season then just be first round fodder is good for a “winning attitude”?).

by BD34 on Jan 18, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You do not go from not making the

playoffs the year before, to the nba finals. It does not work like that, so getting back to the playoffs is the first step in the right direction towards a title. Then you continue to upgrade the roster by whatever means.This year the west it is wide open, and you do not know what will happen in the playoffs. The main thing is that our team is starting again to give effort every night, and continue to work hard on d. That is all i ask for them, because i know Morey will continue to try to get us that star and try to improve our roster. And Durant is part of a new franchise, so of course he was going to have to endure alot of losses, and of course OKC would have to get better through the draft, like they did. So to use them as a reference to a team rebuilding is pretty off basis.

by since86rocketsfan on Jan 18, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

So, if it worked for them, and he endures that kind of terrible growing pain, why can't Houston go that route?
You do not go from not making the playoffs the year before, to the nba finals. It does not work like that, so getting back to the playoffs is the first step in the right direction towards a title.

This is only true if you getting into the playoffs isn’t contingent on a fluke or “sneaking in”. If you aren’t good enough to get an impact guy in the draft and don’t have a franchise guy to improve around, you’re going nowhere. Guess which of those three situations Houston is in.

Then you continue to upgrade the roster by whatever means.

Yes, and if the ingredients aren’t there to actually upgrade the roster without gutting it, what position are you really in?

This year the west it is wide open, and you do not know what will happen in the playoffs.

So, let me get this straight, because this year can be a fluke year we need to have the utmost faith that it won’t be an aberration? OK.

Also, I can assure you, when it comes to the playoffs, OKC will be spanking most of the teams they run into.

The main thing is that our team is starting again to give effort every night, and continue to work hard on d.

Just need to clarify, were you pro or anti-McHale?

That is all i ask for them, because i know Morey will continue to try to get us that star and try to improve our roster.

And people think us Bills fans are sad when we say “There’s always next year.” At least the team has some studs to build around. This Rockets roster currently has Lowry who has to sustain his current play for a couple years before bona fide star status is conferred.

Also, same old same old, Morey has to try because his owner won’t let him get what he needs. Morey has been asked to piece a cake together with half of the ingredients missing.

And Durant is part of a new franchise, so of course he was going to have to endure alot of losses, and of course OKC would have to get better through the draft, like they did. So to use them as a reference to a team rebuilding is pretty off basis.

So it’s good enough for the Thunder (A team with a trajectory to be perennial title contenders for years right now) but not good enough for the Houston Rockets? Got ya.

by BD34 on Jan 18, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow..

Can’t you see the bigger picture that was presented? The Rockets will sneak into the playoffs and surprise everybody and win the NBA Championship.

Dallas and Houston fan making it work. Gig 'em!

by OJ ATM on Jan 18, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok let me break it down for you

again for you can finally see the whole picture. I know we are not guarenteed to get a good free agent in the offseason no team is , but by tanking and rubbing our four leaf clover for a top five pick does not guarentee us anything either. What i mean is after OKC,Lakers,Denver,Clippers,SA, it is a wide open race. We are two and half games behind SA for first place, so anything can happen from 4 thru 8.I was never for Mchale, and still think Adelman is better coach, that does not mean i will stop pulling for the Rockets are talk down on them because they wont rebuild like you want. Who gives a shit about the Bills , true Oiler fans still hate them, Lowry outplayed his contract the secomd half of last year, and continues too this year, so you can continue to doubt and pray that somehow AB comes back or start to acknowledge that Lowry is the truth. Bottomline you cannot use a new franchise in reference to a team rebuilding. To rebuild, that means that you have built something to build over. Look at the Bobcats they thought Adam Morrison was there Kevin Durant, they were wrong and they suck every year. OKC front office made some good moves, but they were building a team not rebuilding.

by since86rocketsfan on Jan 19, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying,

but we got really lucky with Lowry, and so far with Patterson. Lowry’s playing like he was a top 5 pick, and Patterson could turn into a player that should have been a top 10 pick.

We got pretty lucky again this year. Marcus Morris fell to 14, and as a SF, he could develop into a matchup nightmare. However, he’s not proven in the least, and he may just turn into a decent stretch 4.

My point is this: Even though we’ve drafted really well over the past few years, I wouldn’t count on players being taken 13th or 14th turning into really good players. Instead of trying to sneak into the playoffs every year, I would rather see us fully commit to rebuilding. If that means getting rid of Scola and Martin, so be it. We would at least be playing the young players significant minutes.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Jan 18, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Just playing young players does not guarentee development.

You have to mix it with some veterans. Just like drafting high does not guarentee a franchise players. Drafting high increases the odds.
Morey has shown that he is willing to trade Scola and Martin for the right player. It takes 2 teams to trade. Lowry is the only protected player in my opinion.
Just not wanting to make a bad deal and trying to do the best you can until/or if something else happens is not saying you are satisfied with just barely making the playoffs.( which we have not even made lately )
I think we are better now than last year and think with no changes we will be better next year than we are now. This year and I repeat THIS YEAR is the 1ST year to be free of 17mil contract of Yao.
We are looking better so lets give the Rockets a chance to continue what they have started after only being free of Yao contract for a month. It may have been longer but because of the lockout that about all the time they have really had. Also no summer league or real traning camp.
Supporting the positives does not mean you do not see the shortcomings. That only comes into play if the Rockets seemed unwilling to try to do anything. In this same month we had a deal vetoed. We signed a real center to a short contract that will not hamper the future and we have seen some glimpses of some young potential. Our best rookie from last year is just getting into shape because of bone spurs and we are starting a rookie that was a 2nd round pick.
I say great job so far Rockets. Keep up the good work and Morey keep looking. do have. A PG that is developing into one of the best. A real center. A good core of role players. Some young talent that may or maynot turn into real talent.
So for not lets not look at what we don’t have, lets look at what we

by arnold p on Jan 18, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather play the young guys now and see if they're legitimate. I don't care if development isn't guaranteed.

From what I’ve seen, Patterson and Lee are ready for those 30+ minutes per game. Lee’s been ready for a while, and I’m sure Patterson will be ready very soon, if he isn’t already.

Also, there’s not much point in bringing up our flexibility in Free Agency. Nobody wants to come to Houston.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Jan 19, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

It's what we don't have that is going to sink us long term and this season.

No go-to guy to take the burden off Lowry. No franchise player to build around. No guy to look at and say “Awesome, we won’t need that position to be addressed for 10 years, let’s go.”

by BD34 on Jan 18, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

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