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The Trouble With Luis Scola

For the past two years, writers and commenters on this blog have tried to trade Houston's steady starting forward Luis Scola upwards of 200 times. And we've done so despite steadfastly maintaining our innocence in the matter.

We have never wanted to trade Luis just to get rid of him. We like Luis and we always have. Problem is, as he entered his prime and as his value peaked, everyone decided that if someone had to go in order to beef up the youth movement, why not cut losses with our aging friend from Argentina? It was for the cause, you see.

Ironically, after years of silly hypotheticals, Daryl Morey actually traded Scola to New Orleans before David Stern sent him back. It's one thing to gleefully consider random possibilities, but when they actually take form (much less, dissolve hours later), it all makes for an eye-opening experience.

This season, however, our eyes have opened to a deflated Luis Scola. Experts had pegged this to be the start of Scola's decline, but we didn't believe them. Scola's clever, athleticism-be-damned game is suited for an old man and we figured the trend would continue.

So far, it hasn't. The experts, by most accounts, were right.

Star-divide

Zach Lowe of Sports Illustrated threw Scola on his Most Disappointing Players list today. You could say a list like this is premature, unless you consider that we're almost a fourth of the way through the year. Here's what Lowe had to say:

When the Hornets nearly dealt for Scola in the aborted Chris Paul trade, the skeptics noted Scola's career-best season in 2010-11, at age 30, defied normal aging curves that could manifest at any time. Is that happening now? Scola is shooting a career-worst 46.7 percent from the floor, getting to the line less often than ever before and rebounding more like a small forward. Some of the rebounding decline is due to playing heavy minutes with a rebounding monster (Samuel Dalembert), but the Rockets overall have rebounded much worse with Scola on the court.

One of the league's craftiest post players is struggling badly on the pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop, where he usually feasts on mid-range jumpers. He's shooting just 27 percent on the play so far, and while some of those looks are open shots that will fall soon, he has been ice-cold when defenders can contest his shot. Scola is a below-average defender who struggles to make multiple cuts on the same defensive possession, so if he's not scoring efficiently, the slope becomes slippery.

As Lowe points out, Scola's rebounding numbers are down, his shooting percentage is down and if he isn't going to score, he isn't worth much. And that's a sad statement to make, because few players have played as consistent basketball -- both in the stats and in pure hustle -- as Luis Scola ever since he arrived.

But how much is Scola to blame for his statistical decline? As Lowe notes, Scola finally has a legitimate center next to him in Samuel Dalembert. Add to that Kyle Lowry's rebounding surge (those boards don't come accidentally, mind you -- Lowry goes and grabs them with some Philly fervor) and 6-foot-9 Chandler Parsons' contributions on the boards and you have to wonder how one could expect Scola to maintain his past production. He's still grabbing two offensive boards per game as he always has and the team itself is rebounding the ball just fine. I think the worries about Scola's game lie elsewhere.

Another issue that really isn't in Scola's control is Houston's lack of center depth behind Dalembert. Kevin McHale has spent a good chunk of Scola's minutes playing him at center, which is a nightmare scenario for all parties save for the opponent. Take a look at Scola's compared production, courtesy of 82games.com:

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We know Scola isn't a center. There's nothing to see here. In this case, it's not a Scola problem, it's a roster problem.

So, then, what's my real issue with Scola? It's simple: He's absolutely murdering the Rockets in the fourth quarter.

The Rockets were dead last in the league in fourth-quarter points allowed last season, according to TeamRankings.com. This year, they've improved defensively and now stand 21st in the same category. It's not a flattering number, but it does show improvement.

On the other hand, the Rockets ranked third in the NBA in fourth-quarter scoring in 2011. This year? They've fallen all the way down to 25th. Rick Adelman's departure surely plays a large part in the decline, but in the absence of his offense, the Rockets have relied upon their most experienced veteran players for late-game contributions.

Undoubtedly, Scola has failed to answer the call. He's averaging two points per game on a paltry 20 percent shooting in the fourth quarter this season -- and that's excluding blowout games in which he hasn't played in the fourth. You could see it Thursday night against the Hornets: He passed up about five potential jumpers and turned the ball over twice, finishing 0-1 from the field in the frame.

I'm not asking Scola to be a fourth-quarter scoring machine. If anything, he's a valuable first-quarter scoring machine and normally gets the Rockets off to a fast start. But if the Rockets expect to start closing out games that they've won through three quarters, Scola must show up to play. He's got to increase his production late because that's when his experience should help the most.

If perhaps the most respected player on the roster isn't getting it done in important situations, what does that say about the team? Why, then, should Scola even be on the floor to close it out?

I'm not saying Scola is done as a productive player or that he is anywhere close to it. He's still putting up good numbers in a season that is demanding a lot from his legs. But perhaps it's time we reconsider what his role on this team should and should not be. Certainly, a Patrick Patterson power surge would help clear things up.

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I think a big part of his problem is that…

… he’s not “over” the fact he was almost traded.

I think he needs a change of scenery. I honestly believe his numbers will go back up if that happens.

Problem is, unless his performance improves, his trade value will probably be pretty low.

Have to hope he improves before the trade deadline…

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by steeler-hater on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

I think he's completely over it because it was never an issue for him.

Last season’s knee surgery, missing his first game of his career last season, and playing basketball 365 days a year ever since he landed in Houston is the problem. I think it’s an issue of denial to think that when the first signs of wear and tear appeared on Luis that it wasn’t over. He’s crafty but if your knee flares up as a concern as a “big” in the NBA it’s time to realize your decline has started.

by BD34 on Jan 20, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah he didnt care about the vetoed trade at all

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by Rockets7 on Jan 20, 2012 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

Just because he has limits does not mean he has no value.

Sure he is getting older. Sure he doesn’t play as well with no rest. Sure he does not play as well at the 5. Scola gives his all every game and does what he is asked without complaint or excuses. The compact season and extra minutes are taking a bigger toll on him than it would have 3 years ago. He is human. Suprise! Suprise! Look at how Kyle’s production has dropped the last few games and he is over 5 years younger. Scola will play 40 minutes a game every night and not complain but there is no way he can be as productive. McHale knows this but what choice has he had lately. If Pattrick can get back on track to where he appeared to be heading last year will really help. Now that Sam is in shape Hill can log some time at the 4 and stop the minutes for Scola at the 5. If we can not get production from them somrthing else must change.

We have more rebounding from other players now which is one of the reasons we are winning and will cut his rebounding on its own.

I am just not ready to write Scola off yet. We need to focus on improving the backups.

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by mitmil22 on Jan 20, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Didn't say he has no value.

Never said that once.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 20, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Emotionally it's tough.

As a fan who wants to see his team get better, it’s also tough, because both Patterson and Hill aren’t contributing enough to earn that starting spot. Patterson has been disappointing, even by Morey’s accounts. I’m paraphrasing, but Morey said something along the lines of “We expected him to improve 25% from last year….obviously his injury set him back but it’s just not happening.” Hill has looked good once in a while but if he can solidify his game that we all know he has than he can take the starting spot.

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by .Bonzo on Jan 20, 2012 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

Practice time.....?

or playing time preferably. We have a log jam at power forward.

I am by no means a Scola hater; the dude has been a stud. However, I think that there are potential synergies (big word) with moving him. In addition to getting what should be some value for him, we get to develop some of our bench 4’s, and we would trim substantial salary.

I wonder what we could get for him, and who would want him? Is he worth a lottery pick?

Doubt it, but maybe our normal middle of the pack first round position would be worth letting him go.

by albertchester on Jan 20, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

What log jam?

Hill is playing C,the only back-up to Dalembert.
Morris is being groomed as a SF.
Parsons is a SF.

That leaves Scola…Patterson who started season injured…and Adrien.
Somehom my idea of a jam doesn’t include a 2 players,one recovering from surgery and a D-Leaguer.

by Tisbee on Jan 20, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I see your point...

I hesitate to disagree with you because I read your posts and have much respect. It was worse last year before Hays left us.

But that is still six guys between 6’8" and 6’ 10". Trade Scola, and assume that of the remaining 5 only Parsons is looking good at a position other than power forward, and I think there is an abundance of development necessary that will best be served by the actual playing time created by a trade of Scola.

I understand the intent is to groom some of these guys out of that position, but I think it is arguable they are all natural power forwards. Hill is barely serviceable as a back up 5, the key word on Morris is “groomed”, and Parsons has been a pleasant surprise; I love his game.

I like our guards, and am happy to have a servicable center, but think we need to figure out what we have at forward.

by albertchester on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I honestly think all sorts of standard improvement metrics and the like are out the window this season.

New coach. No practices. Condensed schedule. Coming off injury.

It’s much easier to look at the numbers and draw conclusions, but these are the sorts of markets savvy buyers do well in – ones where unusual factors aren’t given enough weight.

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by Xiane on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Two thoughts

1) this is a wierd season, with a new coach, new center, little ramp up, lots of quik games, etc…so some of this could just work itself out

2) if memory serves Landry was almost always our go to fourth quarter guy when he was here…and finished out most games while Scola was sitting….maybe there was a reason for that.

After all his steady performances up until now, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. That being said, am almost always open to trade anyone at this point to improve, including Lowry.

by John P on Jan 20, 2012 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

Oh man.

I forgot what a beast Landry was in the 4th quarter. I miss that.

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by .Bonzo on Jan 20, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

He's just too tired.

By the 4th he’s shot. McHale is playing his starters at a pace that Adelman would think was excessive.

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by Xiane on Jan 20, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe it's a product of the lockout.

The lockout has effected most veterans in his age range in a negative way. Look at the mighty Boston Celtics and what they have become now. Look at the Spurs and Lakers. The schedule is not friendly on these vets. I don’t think it’s Luis’ fault. It’s a matter of circumstance.

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by batman713 on Jan 20, 2012 5:14 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's a product more of who Luis Scola is.

I know the hope was he could be a first option (or something) but we got him well into his career and he’s over 30 now. He has a knee surgery in his record now and it’s something people need to acknowledge. Scola hit his ceiling and he’s older. These things happen.

by BD34 on Jan 20, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Right on the money.

I think in the minds of many of us fans it just hurts more to see him not doing what we are so used to seeing him do so much. If he wasn’t such a fan fave we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

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by batman713 on Jan 20, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

The biggest problem with this whole thing is

The schedule. It is tough to judge who exactly is match fit and who isn’t every day. He’s clearly tired but so are a lot of players from around the league that are seeing some of their stats take decline. It’s not so easy comparing stats from last season to this one when considering a shortened preseason and a very tight schedule (the Rockets getting one of the worst I may add). The proof that this season has been challenging for more players exists in the numerous injuries from around the league because players don’t have time to recover. Maybe Luis’s age would not be a factor this season had it started on time. It’s tough to tell and I think we’ll know whether or not his age is becoming a factor in his playing a little further down the line.

by Gribbs on Jan 20, 2012 5:32 PM CST reply actions  

Question worth asking: Is Luis Scola an example of the Rockets holding on to players too long?

Before the season (Granted there was a trade to move him but it didn’t happen, so we move on) Scola’s value was at its highest. Some questions remained about his knee after surgery but minimal concerns. Coming in to this season with Dalembert in place has helped cut his rebound numbers but we can see the specter of age clipping at his heels. Arguably the best time to move Luis would have been last year. We held on to McGrady until his knee surgery and when it comes to Kevin Martin we’re also looking to shop with his totals going down. I guess my question is when it comes for the discussion of taking a dump or getting off the pot, anyone else think the Rockets have a tendency to have brought in their cell phone and spent more time checking twitter, e-mail, and facebook than poopin’?

by BD34 on Jan 20, 2012 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

Valid point...

But if we hadn’t of gotten screwed by der Stern we would have timed it about right IMO.

by albertchester on Jan 20, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

What's your feeling on not moving him last season?

Before the knee, peak production, that sort of thing. Whereas in the offseason, I personally feel like that was us holding on too long.

by BD34 on Jan 20, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Hind sight is telescopic...woulda been better to trade him last year.

Not ordinarily much difference between end of last season and the beginning of this one, but the knee surgery is definitely a ding on his value. We would have gotten more last year.

My question I asked above is what is he worth, and to whom?

by albertchester on Jan 20, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends on who calls it hindsight. Some people were in favor of moving him last season for a reason.

I think there’s a huge difference between before the trade deadline last year and in the offseason. Like you said, that knee surgery took out a hit on his value. As for who would be interested, Kevin Garnett’s contributions have plummeted, I think the Celtics would listen to a a pitch that involved Luis Scola and a young guy with a pick (You could make a good offer for someone like Rondo who was upset over off season trade rumors of an offer of him for Paul). It depends on what this team wants to do really.

by BD34 on Jan 20, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don’t see it as a huge difference, as we WERE still pushing for playoffs at that point anyways, and I’m still concerned about trading Scola given that then we have no reliable in the post then. The Gasol trade would have fixed that and more, but lol basketball reasons.

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by Barragan on Jan 20, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree.

Scola and Martin were actually traded. This season. Then they weren’t. I just don’t know where all these other trades you think there should be would come from.

Also, as far as this year goes – it’s tough to know how to evaluate it. On the one hand, one would like to claim that Lowry’s progress is definite (as there’s confirming evidence from the second half of last year I tend to think that way). As for Scola, well, it certainly could be age and so forth, but I also think he’s basically tired. So are other players, but obviously the effects of the schedule aren’t standardized.

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by Xiane on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not revising history, I don't know any proposed deals, nor do you.

As a result we will never know whether or not something was on the table and talent estimation was too high. That’s all I’m saying in regards to the idea of when to move them. The question is “Is it possible that we held on too long and this nixed trade was the last chance to get a good yield?”

by BD34 on Jan 20, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure it's possible. If Scola's whole season goes this way, maybe probable.

The problem of course is simply finding a team that needs those pieces at that price and also has something we’d want.

Another way of looking at this right now though is simply – We’ve seen less than one month of NBA basketball. There have been a lot of games, but it’s only a month.

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by Xiane on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

There have been a lot of games, but it’s only a month.

Truth. And league-wide offense is way down. League-average offensive efficiency was 107.3/100 last season, is only 102.5/100 right now. Offensive decline shouldn’t be terribly surprising. Rebounding decline is a little more troubling for the same reason, though.

But if the issue is fatigue and other factors, then it shouldn’t be surprising either.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah it's possible.

That doesn’t mean much, though. It’s all just supposition.

Now, if the question changes from being about possible-but-unknown trades to only the issue of the contract itself, that’s a more interesting (and answerable) question, I think.

Did the Rockets throw too much into hoping Yao would stay healthy and thus sign Scola to an overly-lengthy deal? Maybe. They certainly pinned their hopes to Yao, but all things considered that was the best move available.

Bringing up the McGrady deal is an interesting case, as well. There were certainly signs of decline in the ‘07 and ’08 seasons. McGrady wasn’t the same player he was in ‘05. But by the time McGrady and the Rockets realized what was up, the cat was out of the bag for everyone. Rumor at the time was that the Rockets were trying to pull a trade for Vince Carter in exchange for McGrady’s contract, but McGrady’s decision to undergo micro-fracture surgery nixed that.

Something similar may be going on with Luis. The decline is so sudden that there was no way to really foresee it or distinguish the signs of imminent decline (with any certainty) from those of temporary injury.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I think....

…. Regardless of whether scolas drop off in production is due to age, lack of motivation, playing with SD or the schedule it is time to move him. I love the bloke, but I can’t see how he is part of the rox plans over the next 2-3 years. Perhaps we could aquire a backup centre for SD in a scola trade and start hill at PF (where he belongs)?

by OzDreamShaker34 on Jan 20, 2012 5:43 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

I'd rather start Patterson at PF

But aside from that it’s not a bad idea.

by ehburrus on Jan 20, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

While I recognize Hill is probably a better scorer

I like Patterson for his defense. And if his shot would fall he would be starting quality.

by ehburrus on Jan 20, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Hill is either.

Patterson’s in a rut right now. Give him a few weeks and he’ll get more comfortable.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 20, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

While I recognize this trade would be great for the Rockets, I’m not sure what team has centers to spare.

by ehburrus on Jan 20, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I think paired with Samuel Dalembert you'd actually see an increase in Hill's production.

Jordan is a natural 4, not a 5 and being next to Dalembert would help Jordan out with his defensive positioning (He yields a good amount of rim protection for a guy who takes the criticism he does). It would clog up the middle a bit since his mid-range isn’t developed as well but I say why not? Plus, why not trot out 6’10 and 6’11"?

by BD34 on Jan 20, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

You'd lose a ton of versatility on offense.

You’ve got one guy on the block with a perfectly average post game (Dalembert) and another guy on the other block with an awful post game (Hill). With Parsons out there, you need another scoring threat who can shoot. Patterson fills the role.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 20, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

When his shot falls, yea.

Depends on how this season shakes out though, no? We saw Patterson in relatively limited use in his rookie season and we’ve got this mass amount of faith but we always caution sample size, right?

I also made sure I hedged on Hill that he needs to develop his mid-range and yielded that it would clog up the lane.

by BD34 on Jan 20, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

The less Hill shoots, the better.

The Rockets need to be feeding him tapes of Dennis Rodman (ground up and cooked into a nice mash capable of being digested; good for roughage, I’m sure).

Maybe McHale can fine him every time he takes a jump shot.

He’s a good rebounder. As a banging PF backing up a bigger center, I think he’d be very good. He would have been a very intriguing option next to Yao.

Patterson is a worse scorer right now, but I’d bet that’s more a product of his surgery and late recovery than any statement on either player’s actual skills.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 20, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

Can anybody think of a backup center we could actually get for Scola, though? I can’t really think of a team with a backup center we could use that would actually want him?

by ehburrus on Jan 20, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm

It’s a good point you make. I think we’d have to accept a drop off in the quality of the player in order to satisfy a team need. Plus the only teams interested in scola would be contenders. Mahinmi comes to mind but I probably shouldn’t go there….

by OzDreamShaker34 on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I actually really like Mahinmi

But Dallas already has too many Power Forwards. Unless they want to completely convert Nowitzki to center they wouldn’t make that trade.

Scola does fit into the Dallas mold of only using players that are at least slightly past their primes (except West)

by ehburrus on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea true,

any idea if Mahinmi is a free agent next season? Man I wish I was 7ft right now, and there’s money to be had!

by OzDreamShaker34 on Jan 20, 2012 10:46 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

He is a FA next season

Man, a center rotation of him and Dalembert would be excellent.

by ehburrus on Jan 20, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah,

Wouldn’t it! Also gives us a starting centre ready to go when SD begins to decline.

by OzDreamShaker34 on Jan 21, 2012 3:42 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Yup.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 20, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

nice, new sig.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 20, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe bringing Scola off the bench would be better.

Patterson hasn’t exactly been demanding playing time, but his much better defense and rebounding might fit better with the 1st unit.

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by bone31crusher on Jan 20, 2012 7:30 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think this really fixes the problem

Sure, it would make our first units’ defense better, but it would make our bench’s defense worse, which is definitely not something we need.

by ehburrus on Jan 20, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Morris up from the D-League?

Is that even an option, at this point? I know the plan was to try him at 3, but he can play both 3 and 4. Obviously that doesn’t solve the problem, but it gives the Rockets an option in case they want to move, say, Flynn, Bud, T-Will, Patterson, or any combination thereof.

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by LJS3 on Jan 20, 2012 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

Here is who I think is being shopped.

Bud, Dragic, Scola, Martin, Hill. A package with those five ought to be able to net us something we could use.

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by batman713 on Jan 20, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I've always been in favor of trading Scola

because in my mind the 4 spot is the easiest position on the floor to replace. A lot of 6-7 to 6-10 guys that can rebound well and hit the open 15 footer. Obviously if you have a star at that position it’s not an easy replacement, so guys like Griffin and Dirk are stars that you need to pay a lot of money to keep. Scola isn’t that, even though he’s not making as much as a star would at that position. The team would lose the low post moves he has, but it’s not enough value to keep him. Now my heart tells me I’m an idiot and that I’d love to see his hair flop for the rest of his career in a Rockets uniform. And all of this isn’t because of the way he’s started the season, i’ve always thought he had more value as a trade piece.

by twinkilling0303 on Jan 20, 2012 8:01 PM CST reply actions  

Very true.

There are 4’s crawling everywhere, especially in this draft.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 20, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

We got PP with the 14th pick

and if he played 30 minutes a game and started…he might average about 12 and 6…and that’s just me being cautious. You could add a number of veteran pf’s to help get you the rest of the production needed. Not sayin PP is ready to start, just that guys like that can be had pretty easily.

by twinkilling0303 on Jan 20, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd love to nab Sullinger.

That guy is a post machine and rebounding vacuum.

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by batman713 on Jan 20, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree.

Sure, you can find a PF who can rebound and hit the 15-footer and play defense, but that’s not what we need at all. We have that already in Patterson, whom needs to actually really bang inside if he wants to become a legit threat.

You need a post scorer.

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by Barragan on Jan 20, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the surgery wouldn't be a big deal, and that Mchale would be a great tool for Scola..

Sad to see him in such a decline this year.

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by OJ ATM on Jan 20, 2012 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

Schedule catching up

First 8 games(in 13 days)…61 of 124,49.2%, ave’d 31.4 minutes
Next 7 games(in 10 days)…44 of 99,44.4, ave’d 32.9 minutes

OTOH,his rebounding in first 8 games was pretty poor,at just 4.625/game,while in last 7 it went up to mediocre 6.7/game. He took only 13 FTs in first 8 games,23 in last 7.

Condensed schedule,more minutes and his legs are shot,causing his FG% to plummet.(And likely being more of a focus of the other teams D,esp w/Martin’s early struggles. Both have seen significant drops in FG% and points/game.It’s not just a Scola problem,it’s an offense-wide problem.)

by Tisbee on Jan 20, 2012 8:21 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with all that.

The compressed schedule is harder on older players? That doesn’t seem too shocking.

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by Xiane on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Trollol
It’s time for Scola to hang ’em up.

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by taylorrohrman on Jan 20, 2012 9:44 PM CST reply actions  

CF alert.

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by .Bonzo on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Scola should get some extra rest?

Look at his start to the season. It was fine. In games with 2 days rest he’s shooting about 55%. In games with one or zero he’s shooting about 43%.

He’s a high effort player and the NBA schedule normally didn’t bother him. This season is taking its toll. I’d look to the schedule and its effects on older players before I looked at a general decline in Scola.

Metrics for this season are way off in a number of areas – road wins are very tough to come by for almost every team, for example.

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by Xiane on Jan 20, 2012 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

Suprised we aren’t seeing more coaches give a gur a DNP-CD from time to time in these brutal stretches. Scola could use it, his legs are shot by the 4th.

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by Patrick Harrel on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Weird to see.

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by .Bonzo on Jan 21, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Iron man,but minutes were limited

Past couple yrs averaged 32.6 minutes. That was in a normal schedule where there were plenty of days off.

Problem for McHale is nobody has played well enough to sit Luis. Morris was lost early,Hill has had to play Center and Patterson was out early and still is struggling.
Patterson hopefully will be able to step his game up,but he has really struggled coming back. It’s not just his jumper not being dialed in,he doesn’t play above the rim anymore. Last season he’d contest every shot taken near the rim,had several put-back slams and would get up for rebounds in his area. Not happening this season.

AS Xiane noted,this season has been tough on older players.
Martin has gone from 23.5ppg ,shooting .436 in 32.5 minutes last yr to 18.4,shooting .404 in 36.1 minutes.
League-wide older players are getting hurt and have seen their numbers decline.(Kobe’s the exception,but he’s getting almost 4.5 minutes more a game and he’s taking 4.5 more shots a game. Everthing else is about the same,except his 3pt shooting has collapsed,from a mediocre .323 to a woeful .267 on just over 4 a game.)

by Tisbee on Jan 21, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder

is it just me or do the shooters on this team pass up feeds to the big men down low? It just seems they are open under the basket more and we are still plunking from outside. I know McHale’s offense brings the 4 out to the perimeter but when going through the rotation when he is on the low block there are very few feeds back down to them.
I hope we work on the big men posting up a bit more to make the Defense collapse in help. This will give the shooters better shots and drive the other team crazy.

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by mjdinhouston on Jan 20, 2012 11:30 PM CST reply actions  

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