Is Deron Williams the Key Cog to Daryl Morey's Master Plan?
by Mike Kerns on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 AM CST
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Something I have been thinking about ever since it was rumored that the Rockets were in the running for Deron Williams before he was moved to New Jersey is that getting the Texas native in a Rockets uniform is the beginning of Daryl Morey's master plan.
The hardest thing to accept in this scenario, of course, would be the parting with a budding star player in Kyle Lowry. No deal for Deron would likely go down without Lowry being the centerpiece for a deal along with others and draft considerations. Which brings up the big question; would you be willing to make a trade for Deron Williams if it meant having to let go of a guy like Lowry who may or may not have yet peaked and works for a lot cheaper?
I'll take a look at both sides of the argument after the jump.
I know that the first reaction of all Rockets fans is panic whenever someone brings up trading away their favorite player. I've been around and around with many readers and writers here about Kevin Martin and still have arguments with people about the Carl Landry trade. It's normal to have reservations about a deal when it includes a guy whose jersey you may own. But, to understand Daryl Morey's brain, you really have to get into that moneyball type of thinking.
What is the one thing a guy like Daryl Morey would want to do? The answer is to trade an asset when they have reached their peak value. This would be one Kyle Lowry in this case. Many will argue that he hasn't reached his peak and I won't argue back because I don't know where he can go from here. He's still young and is relatively cheap for the next couple of years.
But the one thing that Morey messed up on was waiting about a half season too long before he traded Aaron Brooks. Yeah, he got Goran Dragic out of him. Cool. But he might have gotten a lot more had he packaged him up with others before the season had started and his value decreased. This is why I don't believe he will do the same with Lowry.
As for Deron Williams, we all know what he can do. Yes, he will cost a whole hell of a lot more cash per year than Kyle, but one thing that he has that Lowry doesn't have is star power. Deron Williams is much more likely to draw the interest of a big time free agent (like, say...Dwight Howard?) to Houston than Kyle is. That can't be argued.
Of course, I don't do this deal without Williams signing an extension before the deal is finalized. But unlike the other guys who have provided a list of teams where he would gladly go to, there is no reason to believe Williams wouldn't accept playing in Houston. The giant tattoo on his arm of the state of Texas that reads "Texas Made" underneath it leads me to believe he would be just fine with playing here for awhile. And, unlike New Jersey, making a conscious effort to constantly improve the team.
As to what it would cost to get him here, Dave over on ClutchFans had a great write-up about it here. Remember that the Knicks pick that is owed to Houston is becoming increasingly valuable due to their implosion that shows no signs of slowing down. The Nets have also shown serious interest in Luis Scola in the past and the Rockets certainly have attractive young talent to move.
So is this Daryl Morey's vision for how to rebuild the Rockets without tanking for a season or two? It's a risk to trade for Deron Williams with the hopes that it would also attract a big fish like Dwight Howard to Houston, but if D-Will comes with an extension, it's a risk I'd be willing to take. Because even if he can't get Dwight here, I'm willing to bet he can get another star guy to make the commitment to Rockets red soon thereafter.
I love Kyle Lowry, but no star player out there is itching to come to Houston and play ball with him.
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by Patrick Harrel on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think he'd rather go to Dallas
And play with Dirk, rather than coming here (if he wanted to live in Texas). I’d rather us keep Lowry
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jan 23, 2012 10:50 AM CST reply actions
It's Plan A
To go to Dallas in a trade,the Nets would have to be willing to take old Dallas players. Don’t see that happening. So that leaves signing as a FA,which means Cuban will have to shell out the money to buy-out a Marion.
Thank you
Just because Utah blew up doesn’t mean we can or should forget.
by RedRowdy420 on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Forget what?
Utah still sucks, and Jerry Sloan still was overrated. But Deron Williams is the guy that decided he agreed with us that Utah sucks. That moves him up a lot in my book.
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ugh he's still a douche
He’s a great player, but he’s still a massive douche.
If the Rockets got him and that netted them Howard, then I guess I’d be really happy, but I still don’t want him on the team. Fuck him.
Some claim Parsons is a douche
I know, I know, Parsons isn’t near a level like a D-Will might be, but we’ll have to deal with it. I’d rather judge him on his game at this point, though.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
dudes
I really don’t get that Parsons douche thing. Can someone please enlighten me?
BD once joked that he looked like a douche.
This is because he looks (and has a name) like a typical fratty, bro-ish college guy.
Since then, everyone has taken that to mean that people think he is a douche. Not exactly what was originally meant.
I feel like a Wikipedia entry should be made with this explanation.
With a direct cite here cause that is dead on.
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You guess you'd be really happy?
Come on, It Dwight Howard.
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by darwithabar on Jan 23, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think what it would boil down to is..
what other pieces would we be giving up? I like deron williams and think he would be great here.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Well...everything would be up for grabs...
If you are going to let Lowry go you’d trade the whole team.
by albertchester on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Pass
Interesting, but Kyle offers us basically the same production as Williams for a much much cheaper price. And basing the trade on the potential to attract big name players seems too risky to me. I also think it’s debatable as to whether players wouldn’t want to come here to play with Kyle.
We may find out this off-season
If Kyle can keep this level of play up then we’ll see if other players want to come here to play with him. But what happens if he keeps this level up but a big name players still passes Houston over to play with someone else?
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Jan 23, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Williams
Hasn’t been great for a couple years and has injury concerns. There is no guarantee that D12 comes here regardless of Deron(Htown is still not a glamor market) so why take the risk? I’d rather go gunning for Josh Smith, OJ Mayo, Monta Ellis, or some other over rated bigger name guy that can be had for cheap than DWill.
If you just want profile, trade for Paul Pierce… Can be had for expirings and contribute in a position of need.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
one more thing
Look at Indy, Philly, and Denver… Teams don’t need 40 superstars to win any more. Find a good coach, one all star, and great contributing talent.
Also, why assume that Kyle won’t improve (alluding to Brooks shows that this is a fundamental piece of the argument) and that Williams will snap back to his form from 2010?
by Christopher Dion Harris on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Reading comprehension is awesome.
Many will argue that he hasn’t reached his peak and I won’t argue back because I don’t know where he can go from here. He’s still young and is relatively cheap for the next couple of years.
I read that, but it’s a loaded statement. You’re essentially saying that he may improve but then assert that probably couldn’t get better but then make the argument that DWill is an upgrade.
If the sole purpose for trading Lowry away is to increase the team’s profile (which it seems is your argument) there are other ways to do it that doesn’t cost us a rotation guy.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What I AM saying is
I’d take the risk. If it fails miserably, Morey would have to be held accountable. If it comes up, I guarantee he takes the risk.
A .500 team is average. We are currently the hottest team in the hardest division in bball and above .500. I don’t think Lowry is Fool’s gold (just my opinion) because he has steadily improved yearly. The only way that the trade truly makes sense is if kyle’s play decreases and deron’s goes back to previous levels, he signs an extension, and we get another superstar. Too many unknowns.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Jan 23, 2012 1:30 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
what have philly or indy or denver done WHERE IT COUNTS, post season
NOT. A. THING
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by AllenOU on Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Post season isn't here yet
This is the first year philly and indy and denver are actually good. The teams that have normally dominated playoffs are trash now; boston and lakers probably won’t even make playoffs.
Philly has been in the playoffs
3 of the last 4 years
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by fanoflosingteams on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Daryl Morey
Rockets ‘d be better off trading Morey’s brain.
Drama factor
I am opposed to trading away Kyle and others for what is basically a gamble with D-Will. Besides the money and losing a favorite in Kyle, Deron comes with baggage. There are a couple examples:
Williams and Sloan argument nearly comes to blows. Followed swiftly by Sloan’s retirement. I must say this is conflicting for me, though. I always did abhor Sloan and think he’s a foul-happy jackass and would give D-Will props in person for making him quit… but that still looks terrible.
Then, of course, he left for NJ. He hoped to create a superstar team in Brooklyn and be in the spotlight for years. The Nets haven’t brought anyone in and now he’s got them dangling. He isn’t going to sign an extension and will surely do what’s best for himself. That may not be “wrong”, but it’s not the type of player we need.
His drama factor is too high. I say stick with our Bulldog-WreckingBall and try to fill out the holes we have. We’re already a playoff team and I bet with a couple smaller moves we would move up a few spots.
hey yall deron might help us um well get a man im not sure your familiar with
his names dwight howard i think?
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by Rockets7 on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Problem : If we trade for D-Will, we don't have the money for Dwight anymore
Or we need to Amnesty Kevin Martin and cut Sammy.
I’ll still try to go for Dwight alone, even if there is like 0,1% of chances it work
by RiiseRockets on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You can't Amnesty Martin...
I just can’t see them doing that. He’s too productive and we would be losing a piece that others would find more attractive to play with. Most likely they would do a sign and trade to clear space.
by Corey Planchard on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
There is a better candidate for amnesty on this team.
And amnestying him (in combination with declining the options on everyone but Dalembert, Patterson, Budinger) would still get you enough for two max deals.
I’ve got a bad feeling that…
… we fans are gonna have to pray for a lot of luck at draft time…
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It was making my brick wall jealous...
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If you can get an extension then you do it no matter what
Sure, Kyle can almost post the same numbers for way less money, but he is not going to bring in another star like D-Will can.
And I’m almost sure D12 will join D-Will not matter where. I dont think Howards gets traded but still leaves Orlando in the summer. Then its a matter of who has D-Will and has the cap room to give Howard a max deal.
Rockets 2012-13 salary is $57.6M
Current cap is $58M
Trade away Kevin Martin -12.5M, and Lowry -5.7M for D-Wills +17.7M = savings of -0.5M
Trade Scola -9.4 for pick and lower salary player = savings of ~3M
Trade Dalembert -6.7M for pick and lower salary player = savings of ~3M
Keep Courtney Lee = +5M
No Options on Thabeet -6.4M, Flynn -4.3M, T-Will -3.1M = Savings of -13.8M
Total Savings off next years cap 15.3M. We are left with with $31.4M in the books for salary with about $26.6M to give max offer to Howard and fill out the roster:
PG: D-Will – $17M
SG: C Lee – $5M
SF: Parsons – $900K
PF: Patterson – $2.1M
C: Howard – Max contract ~14M i think
Bench: Morris $2M, Adrein $850K, Hill $3.6M
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Im not a salary cap guru at all, so this might not even work out but if its true then I would try and make the move for D-Will and try and sign Howard in the summer.
no chance howard is coming to houston
its not happening
lets move on
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If Orlando doesnt trade him where would he go as a free agent that can offer him MAX?
The “prefered” destinations are over the cap. He would’nt go to Dallas if D-Will isnt there.
So where does he go then?
dwight can pick his team and they will make the cap work
he is going to one of the LA teams or boston, Id bet 1000 on it
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He has to go West to be in the Finals against the HEAT
So then LA?
Lakers have $87.3M salary…..$71.2M if they dont pick up option on Bynum….still a long way from $43M in order to offer him a max deal
Clippers are at 57.7M next year. How are they going to shed $15M-18M? Cant trade DeAndre for just a pick…you have to make the $$ work and take back someone.
sign and trades my friend
gasol and or bynum. kobe will make it work
jordan
TRUST ME there is a way to do it
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This isn't the old cap
It will be next to impossible for any of those three teams to do that without completely gutting what they have
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Actually Boston is interesting
Next year they can have the salary to sign Howard if they move Pierce. Building with Rondo and Howard can work, but would still be tough with Bulls and Heat in the way of the Finals.
The road is a lot easier out West.
What a bunch of crap
Kyle is much more of a leader than Deron. And you aren’t even upgrading talent. If you would gut the heart of this team for a “star” (speaking in star terms as popularity) player, then I would suggest hopping on a bandwagon team such as the Faker show.
by Strubs on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM CST via Android app reply actions
We finally have an All Star PG
Lowry does everything this team needs. We don’t need an upgrade.
by RedRowdy420 on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 AM CST via mobile reply actions
People said the same about Brooks...
Last year. I had a bit of Deja-vu when your post popped up.
by Corey Planchard on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
I don't remember anyone saying that about Brooks
Or maybe I’m blocking out the stupid
Brooks was a fun player, but he wasn’t close to what Lowry is right now
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I think the point was
what if lowrys stock starts to fall. you would regret not trading him while his value was high
have to trade talent to get talent, unless youre the lakers
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Sure
But Kyle is on a whole other level than Brooks. So it’s a much tougher decision. And he’s not declining, it’s just not going to happen. He might plateau, but if this is his plateau, at this price, it’s a hell of a deal. And just think if Martin and Scola actually hit some of the open shots he’s getting them
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And my real point was
No one said Brooks was an All Star, and if they did then, ummm, well…. rehab?
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He was borderline at times...
Short memories here…Brooks was a good offensive player for the Rockets.
by Corey Planchard on Jan 23, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
I think I said he was sort of a fring-ish all star in 2010.
But, yeah, he had a lot deficiencies. He was a good player, but he couldn’t finish at the rim or play defense.
Sort of...
Brooks took over many a game offensively and carried us…Lowry does the same to a lesser extent with a better all-around game. Much better. It was said though :D
by Corey Planchard on Jan 23, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Technically
he isnt an All Star because he hasnt been to an All Star game yet. Up-&-coming All Star, maybe, we’ll see how the voting plays out. But the Rockets have beatin 3 teams with winning records and 2 of those wins are against the Spurs. So 4 of the 9 wins came against winning record teams and ALL of their loses came against winning teams, with 1 loss to the Spurs. So Id take any upgrade because you wont go far in the playoffs if you cant beat teams with winning records
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by fanoflosingteams on Jan 23, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't he come out with a list
of teams he would sign with in the offseason…I don’t think we were on it.
by twinkilling0303 on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 AM CST reply actions
Cause Houston doesnt have a star
like Dirk. Thats the difference maker
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Not yet...
Given a playoff year with Lowry running the show and an All-Star game I think they’ll be talking about the Rockets as “a player away” type of thing.
by Corey Planchard on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Don't we have to make the playoffs first for that to happen?
Dallas and Houston fan making it work. Gig 'em!
Not really.
If Lowry plays like he has throughout the season and we miss the playoffs, does that make him a worse player?
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No it doesn't make him a worse player.
He’s a very good player, and has shown that he can be a really good player in the league and is moving toward the level that the best PGs play on. Will he be viewed in the tier of players if he is stuck outside of the playoffs and in Houston, probably not.
Dallas and Houston fan making it work. Gig 'em!
The Playoffs...
Are the primetime stage Lowry needs to gain the name required to lure other players.
by Corey Planchard on Jan 23, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
GIven a playoff year...
Meaning, hopefully this year.
by Corey Planchard on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Question...
Why not just wait for Kyle to develop something of a reputation? Few of these guys simply BECAME stars. They had to play a while, kick some major ass, play some high profile games, make it to the all star team, and then became popular. If Kyle goes into the All-Star game this year and makes a showing…boom, high profile (essentially). Especially if the likes of Deron or other start PG’s are sitting on their rumps on the sidelines.
I think this is a tough choice for Morey. I wouldn’t want to be the guy to pull the trigger on a trade like that. It could be a blessing or a curse. That’s a bullet with the serious potential to blow up in your face.
My point being that currently Kyle doesn’t have the name recognition of many players, but I honestly don’t think Deron is mentioned in the same sentence of the biggest guys out there when it comes to “Who would you like to play with?” So really I think it’s a moot point unless we are able to hold onto the likes of K-Mart, Scola, Delambert. And really I don’t think it would improve the team very much from a W/L standpoint in making the trade. So why not just hold onto Lowry to see what he can make of himself? I’d wait until the All-Star game to see how this story unfolds. Personally.
by Corey Planchard on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM CST reply actions
no one gives two shits about what someone does in an all star game
Its all about the playoffs, and not the 1st or 2nd round. period
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well said..."two shits"
And you shouldn’t discount popular view so much. But thanks for your eloquent input AllenOU. Tactfully and well said. It seems that being an ass is the way to be on this blog.
by Corey Planchard on Jan 23, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Didnt mean that as anything towards you
it is what it is.
a lot of people think that way, bu I disagree
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D will > lowry
its closer than it was before, but still.
if he will sign an extension you have to do it.
of course he is sucking in new jersey, because it is fucking new jersey.
but D12 is not coming to houston with or without him.
to say lowry is better than D will is just ignorant
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don't think we
Are arguing who is better in a one on one game at Rucker park. I’d take Kyle RIGHT NOW over any point not named Paul, Rose, Wall, or maybe Rondo. Look at his per and tell me you wouldn’t.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I would not. and heres why
kyle is playing at his peak right now, and his value wont be higher ever IMO.
If you think getting Dwill, with him signing an extension, helps you possibly land D12, which IMO it doesnt, then you have to try
this team is stuck at being average. period. you have to shake things up.
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your logic doesn't make sense
if you don’t think d-will will help us land d12, why would you sign him? he’s not a massive upgrade over lowry. he’s older than lowry, is an injury-risk and has been playing some very sloppy ball this season.
because I think morey thinks it does
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I'll let you all rest assured, this is my only account.
I appreciate the speculation though =P.
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wtf? Kyle is 25
and unlike Brooks, his talent is the kind that lasts.. hot shooting and quick feet go away but leadership, rebounding, etc. don’t
If Kyle simply plays the SAME as he does now, his value will increase, just because nobody can ignore someone who plays like that for 1-2 years straight. No need to panic and trade away your most promising player for a guy like deron williams.
Atlanta is stuck at being average. Why? because they spend all their money on a “star” in Joe Johnson. Rockets are being FLEXIBLE and waiting for a true star to come along, which means not tossing out all your assets every chance you get
I've been thinking about this a lot recently.
I think I read an article somewhere before about it. Anyways, I think that if a chance to get Williams arises, you need to sell high on Lowry.
Sonicsgate: A movie about how the Sonics were stolen from Seattle.
That must be it.
Clutchfans as a community is pretty bad, but when Clutch writes something it’s definetly worth reading.
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My personal opinion: Keep Lowry
He’s playing better than DWill right now and he’s younger. I agree that Williams is a “star” but I think if the Rockets make the playoffs Kyle Lowry will go off and start down that path. The cost difference is insane too.
It’s not worth it for the 10% improved chance of getting Howard. I think he’s going to consider the Rockets when it’s all said and done anyway if he gets to be a FA. I don’t know why, but I do. The glamour teams can’t offer him because they have 0 chance of getting under the cap or trading enough to get him unless LA does the Gasol/Bynum deal which they could in a sign and trade.
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lakers, clips, celtics
can all make it work if they want
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How?
The Clippers can’t without trading one of the guys they want, and what they can trade won’t be appealing to Orlando. They don’t have cap space at all either, so they can’t sign him.
LOL on the Celtics doing it. With what? Pierce? No way. Garnett? No freaking way. Rondo? Then what’s the point of Howard going there? Cap space? No
And the Lakers can, but will have to trade Gasol and Bynum. Which I would do in a heartbeat. So maybe they will. But they absolutely cannot sign him as a free agent.
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what are the Clips goin to do with
DWill & CP3? You cant have either one play to 2 spot and neither one of those guys are back-up/bench players
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by fanoflosingteams on Jan 23, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
I do really like Kevin Martin, especially considering we effectively only traded Carl Landry for him. But I’ve never thought he was untouchable, just don’t think you can get back what he’s worth.
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He would be a rental.
No way we get him to sign a long term deal.
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by bone31crusher on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
How are you?
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by BD34 on Jan 23, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
We wouldn't trade for him in that case
So it’s somewhat irrelevant.
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What if we could still keep Lowry?
What if we could trade K. Martin, Dragic, Budinger, and draft picks (or some other variation while keeping – K. Lowry, Courtney Lee, Dalembert, Scola)?
Playing Williams at the 2 would not take full advantage of his talents.
Unless we pioneer some wacky starting lineup with two point guards.
Sonicsgate: A movie about how the Sonics were stolen from Seattle.
then you flip lowry in another deal for someone
maybe a sign and trade for a 3
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Yes, two very talented point guards who can score.
Granted, it’s unusual but you have to take a chance on D Will.
it can work
it is how Greece beat Team USA in Japan
Interesting.
I always wondered if something could change from the current NBA meta. Some teams in the NFL don’t even have a fullback anymore, they just start the game with two tight ends.
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I don't think it will happen, but I won't be upset if it does.
I’m on the fence about this, I like Lowry, but I also like what Deron Williams can bring to this team. I wish it was another player not named Deron Williams though. Not because I don’t like him, I actually like his game, but because The Nets haven’t really done much with him leading the show, granted, we’re not The Nets, but I still feel worried that we could be like The Nets. He’d need some help to get this team where they need to be, maybe Dwight, I doubt it, but he’s not the only option if we do get Deron Williams.
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Personally,
I really doubt Dwight is going to leave the Magic. I just doubt that (1) the Magic will trade him and that (2) he’d pass up the extra money the Magic can give him.
So jockeying for position for Dwight seems to be a bad idea to me. And, I don’t think a team with just Deron is any more attractive to free agents than a team with (say) Lowry + Martin + (provided his production stays at this level) Dalembert. And the Rockets can have that and the cap space to sign one (or two!) big free agents by holding onto their core players (and, if they want that second guy, amnestying Scola).
Is Deron a better player than Lowry? He certainly has an advantage in media attention and reputation, and his track record is better. But Lowry has several advantages over Deron as a player (superior rebounding, superior defense), and he’s comparable in most of the others. Combined with his extremely cheap cost over the next three years, and, you know, I prefer Kyle Lowry. Also, KLow is like +9 in OALIPP, while Deron’s like, -2.
Choose your words carefully...
Advocating for amnesty to be used on Scola would’ve got you banished any other season
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jan 23, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Deron is about 4 years younger than Scola, only one year younger than Martin
Williams is 27, Scola 31 (32 in April), Martin is 28 (29 in about a week).
Luis is an amnesty candidate (to me, anyways — not necessarily to the Rockets) because he’s over 30, has had health problems, and isn’t producing well right now. More importantly, he has a contract large enough that, if amnestied, we’ll have significantly more cap space next year (he makes something like $9 million next year; Martin makes more, but he’s way outproducing Scola this year).
I understand the allure of D-Will
And it’s one of those things where I don’t know if he can convince top players to come here either. The only way to see is if he gets Dwight to NJ. But by then obviously he won’t be coming here. So clearly I don’t know, but I do think you hold on to Lowry, knowing that he is your major chip right now. And I think if Morey can trade Lowry for an All-Star, he’ll do it pretty quickly.
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
That is the reason I don't go to Battle Red Blog. I would be too rational and guys would flag my posts as spam.-batman713
I have a good feeling
about that Knicks pick…either as trading leverage or even a high draft pick. It’s apparently supposed to be a pretty deep draft this year. It’ll be very important!
agreed
Just looked at their sched and it gets brutal towards the end.
by Christopher Dion Harris on Jan 23, 2012 3:07 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
No thanks....
let Martin keep running up his value, and trade him and all the picks for a top 5 pick. Take one of the superstars coming out, that way they are drafted and pretty much stuck here, and there’s no Ipad/toyota tundra fan crew or any other stupid ideas to lure players to come to Houston.
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man he's been playing some good ball
and he’s going to have a nice 12 million expiring in summer ’13.
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Keep Lowry.
I keep hearing about how old 28 is on this site so why
Lowry is 26...
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jan 23, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
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