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Lakers ride Kobe, Bynum, Davis, Boland, Kogut to Victory over Rockets

There are games that make me question my already shaky faith in the integrity of the NBA. This was one of them. The Lakers assumed their usual role as beneficiary of the league's largesse.

The Los Angeles Lakers remain an excellent team (until their legs fall off in March). Kobe and Bynum are remarkable, sometimes unstoppable, talents. Kobe Bryant poured in 37 on 14 of 29 shooting and got the most out of his personal force field that punishes all physical contact he doesn't initiate with whistles.

To be fair, he mostly sank shots, in true Kobe fashion, scoring his points when the defense was at its best. His talent remains, yet of all the superstars who have passed through the league in my lifetime the only one I'll miss less than Kobe when he's gone is Karl Malone.*

Andrew Bynum is presently the most scary center in the NBA. He's actually fit to start a season, not currently hurt, and appears to have made a commitment to being a good player all the time, rather than when the mood strikes him. Perhaps removing his Lamar Odom-shaped binky has encouraged him to cease the moral bedwetting that characterizes his career thus far. At any rate he looked dominant tonight. Jordan Hill simply isn't big enough to hold him, Samuel Dalembert simply isn't fit enough to do a great job at this point. Bynum put up 21pts and 22 boards.

Star-divide

That left Luis Scola to play center often in a small lineup tonight and it cost us. By the fourth quarter when we usually need Scola's audacity and reliable jumper it just wasn't there. He was gassed. Luis Scola is rarely gassed, but tonight he was. Throw in a poor shooting performance from Martin and the task was a tough one.

Not an impossible one for the Rockets, who played a good game overall, and kept the contest close until the very end, and lead the game at times.

But three other men stepped up for the Lakers: Davis, Boland and Kogut - your NBA officials. Tonight the Lakers shot 27Ft to the Rockets 7. 3.85 times what the Rockets shot, 4x if you round. That's simply untenable in a close contest. Blowouts have margins like this, because one team can't compete.

In a close game? It's highly questionable. Well, reasonably you might say, it's because the Lakers took it to the Rockets inside. Let's look. Whoops! Bynum had 8 FT attempts, Gasol none. There goes the "big man inside" theory.

Nope, the calls didn't primarily come from being outmatched by Bynum and Gasol seemed content to stay outside and shoot his unblockable mid-range shot. Nope, they came from late, late whistles, phantom fouls, flops and calls simply for playing D on Kobe. Matt freaking Barnes had 6 attempts - 1 fewer than the Rockets, and Kobe shot 2 more than the whole Rockets team. The Rockets got precisely 2 shooting foul calls on drives all night. You just can't say that makes sense, or that it doesn't matter.

I understand the people who say "You can't use the refs as an excuse!" I'd like to be one of you. You'd certainly have the high ground if there was any integrity in the NBA in terms of refereeing, or front office behavior, or anything, really. But history, recent and older, has shown there isn't. It's real testament to how much I love basketball played at its highest level that I stick it out. Remember, we're following a team where management and ownership won't comment on the NBA league office on advice of counsel.

This was potentially a very good basketball game marred by a woefully lopsided refereeing crew. Maybe the Lakers would have won anyway. With the way Kobe shot it's likely, but we'll never know because the Rockets were buried by 20 extra FTs given to LA. I do wonder what LA will have left come late March.

You may disagree with all of that. Let it rip in the comments.

Three UP

Kyle Lowry - Star Player - 22pts, 10 rbs, 9 asst, 2stl. When does Kyle Lowry get the "superstar whistle" because God knows we could use it. The man is getting mugged on drives and nothing happens.

Terrence Williams - Blossoming Flower - It looks like it is starting to come together. Right now he's thinking a bit too much though. If, and I think when, he internalizes his new, mature, game he's going to be a monster. He was really effective, and disrupted the Lakers on D, and yet only played 9 minutes.

Chase Budinger -Angry at Peace - 6-13, 4-7 3pt, 2rb, 3ast, 1stl. Chase is getting it together and he played good D for the most part, it was just one of those nights when Kobe was on fire. He's losing his tentativeness, and he's a much better player when he attacks. Got scrappy with The Artist Formerly Known as Crazy Pills.

Three Down+1

Kevin McHale - Chair occupier. Kevin, we like you. We like your laid-back, player friendly approach. We like that you'll try new things, and play the young guys. Sometimes the things you try baffle us, but we appreciate you trying them. We like you despite you being a Celtic, and that's saying something. But damn it, man, what actually pisses you off? When will you fight for your players? If not tonight, then when? You must make the refs know that you're watching. If talking to the refs didn't work then the likes of Phil Jackson and Rick Adelman wouldn't freaking do it! Phil Jackson for no other reason than it would hurt to much to get up out of his special chair. He wouldn't get up unless it helped. RAGE, Kevin McHale, RAGE. Also, Kevin, we've got another game at Staples less than 24 hours from now, then another in OKC. Why did Lowry, Scola and Martin play 34+ minutes each? Because we won't need them tomorrow? You have the bench, you must use it, and trust it. Otherwise we'll be as cooked at the Lakers come March.

Courtney Lee - Injured I hope this is a minor thing. Courtney, you might want to consider hiding from Keith Jones and healing alone, in a cave, like a wounded bear.

Patrick Patterson - Bricklayer - It pains me to see Patterson precision clockwork shot clanging around. But he has had no off season, and I don't think any practices. It'll come around. His energy is there, and his strength. In the meantime Patrick, drive and dunk! Throw it down, Big Man!

Kevin Martin - Unmarksman - After lighting up the back-to-back-to-back Kevin Martin apparently suffered from time off and rest, losing his accurate stroke and willingness to drive the lane. He's never going to be a "finish through contact" guy, so he needs legit whistles. Many players do and we don't consider them flawed humans. Refs, we all know he worked the system, but now when he's driving for a layup and his arm goes down instead of up, likely that's a foul under any set of NBA rules.

*This stuff about Kobe's wrist is apparently yet another clod upon mountain of legend-burnishing boulders he's excreted upon us, because he seemed utterly fine. And that's precisely the kind of thing I dislike about him. There's alway some widely circulated story or other about how Kobe is bravely playing (oh so well) through pain that would simply kill 8 ordinary NBA players on the spot. Then when asked about it Kobe can then give a tough, terse,stoic, answer about he must carry on for his team, for himself, for pride, for freedom. And we all can salute the purple flag, as if no one else ever played through pain. If his character truly matched the image he's selling us no one would know he was in such pain (every single time). (CF Ming, Yao.)

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yet of all the superstars who have passed through the league in my lifetime the only one I’ll miss less than Kobe when he’s gone is Karl Malone.*

couldn’t agree more

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by Rocket94 on Jan 4, 2012 1:44 AM CST reply actions  

I called it in the preview

Rockets lost a game of 8 on 5. We did well considering how outnumbered we were.

I hate david stern!

by batman713 on Jan 4, 2012 1:57 AM CST reply actions  

wow lowry is ballin

i mean look at those stats. very big-o-like. if he does that in a regular basis, he’ll be an allstar in no time, heck maybe the next superstar pg

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by loydyboi on Jan 4, 2012 2:17 AM CST reply actions  

Man,

the final paragraph is so ridiculously biased and hyperbolic it’s funny. Kobe’s handled the media attention about his injury about as well as he can. I’d defy you to pull up a single quote of his that he didn’t handle well, or gave a response that was an attempt at promoting his image/legacy. There isn’t one. “I don’t make an excuses”(Only response he’s given) isn’t just a response you make because you want people to think “I must carry on for blahblahblah”, it’s the only appropriate response. If he’d said it was the reason he was playing poorly, it would be him excusing his poor play prior to this game which is much worse. Would you rather have a player crying to the media and giving excuses, or not? Kobe’s only chosen the latter option, like basically every one who plays hurt.

“He seemed utterly fine” would be a much more important point if the season was 1 game old, and not 7. Or if the injuries he’s gotten since mid-2010(as well as this season) hadn’t significantly lowered his effectiveness on the court in multiple ways that are quantifiable.

Lastly, if you’re so upset about the narrative around Kobe’s injury, you should probably be upset with the people perpetuating the narrative. Like, the media, who says all those things you’re apparently upset about, as opposed to Kobe who doesn’t.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 4:25 AM CST reply actions  

Whilst I believe my man Xiane

is simply reflecting his irritation at the media/NBA built faux-legend shit around Kobe, there is something there in that a no comment response from Kobe would be more appropos. Also, the stats presented about whistles never seem to be addressed by any Laker fan who is a not a fried of mine. My friends who are Laker fans actually smirk and shrug their shoulders because they know the referee bias is typical. However, this has and always will be a league issue with stars and, moreso, who Stern wants on top.

"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers

by A.J. G on Jan 4, 2012 5:39 AM CST up reply actions  

If stern wanted the Lakers on top...they would have CP3

Stop pretending that the refs mattered. In this cause the Rockets got less FT’s because they shot from outside 90% of the time. Fouls just don’t happen that often out there.

Also, even hinting that Kobe is faking, or milking an injury for his legacy is bush league, and completely laughable. Professional athletes do not pretend to be injured while they can play perfectly well unless they are Paul Pierce or LeBron James.

Look at the dude’s hand. It swells up like he has elephantiasis every time he plays. Look at his pinky. Losses hurt. It’s natural to look to blame other things. I’m guilty of it too from time to time, but bringing to question the integrity of a player that respects the game above all else? Not tolerable.

by rshinsec on Jan 4, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Kobe didn't fake injuries, but professional athletes do pretend to have injuries.

You must not have seen all the stuff this year about the NFL players going down and faking injuries to stop the no huddle.

That said though, Kobe was hurt, but with him you put some tape on it and go out there and shoot a lot of shots and win.

Dallas and Houston fan making it work. Gig 'em!

by OJ ATM on Jan 4, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

If you read Xiane's awesome post fully

you’ll see that most of the FT attempts by the lakers did not come from paint players. So if most of the Lakers FT came at cost to mid range and outside shots, what is the inherent difference between a Laker outside shot and ours? Also, if you read my post I pointed to the NBA/media led propigation of Kobe’s legacy, not him doing it. I don’t believe I ever said the guy milked an injury.

Also, you serious believe that no professional athletes pretend to be injured? Why, because they never feel “blah” and are just naturally better humans than the rest of us? Wow. Peyton Hillis? Chris Johnson? Peyton Manning holding out even after the docs said he could go? That is just the big names. Don’t be naive.

In the end, I think you confused my post. I don’t think the guy is as hurt as the media and fans say he is. I think he knows this because he doesn’t cry about it all the time. I think whenever the guy misses a couple of shots in a row it is the knee jerk reaction of Lakerland to assume he must be hurt, instead of not being perfect. I basically pointed to the fact that the NBA and the media want to build him up to some unrealistic image because they want to get ratings. That’s it.

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by A.J. G on Jan 4, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

One thing I'll say is that,

while he may not be AS hurt as some reporters make it out to be, Kobe’s injuries have seriously affected his play on the court. His turnover numbers so far this season are higher than any since his rookie year, by a significant amount. His efficiency rate is the lowest it’s ever been. This isn’t me saying how much of a ‘warrior’ Kobe is, I’m rather annoyed by some of his play recently. I just think it’s pretty clear the injury is affecting him a lot.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair points.

They did not come from paint players – but that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen in the paint. My point is that in general the scoring opportunities that the Lakers had will typically lead to more FT attempts. That’s not to say there weren’t missed calls, just that I don’t think the refs influenced the FT attempts as much as is being suggested, but more the style and shots that were attempted by the Rockets.

It was sarcasm – in a sense. I do absolutely believe that professional athletes fake injuries if they are unhappy, lazy, etc. I wanted to bash Pierce and James, the most famous fakers. I do not believe Kobe would fake an injury. He has too much pride and respects the game too much.

How exactly do you come to that conclusion? How exactly do you exaggerate a torn ligament? I do agree that people want to feel like there has to be an excuse when Kobe isn’t superhuman, but to suggest he’s not as hurt as he or other people say? I don’t know about that. I think they just report the medical facts. Until we have a way to feel Kobe’s pain, we just have to go upon what the experts say he’s going through. Oh, and we can also look at his ridiculously swollen hand and know something is amiss.

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by rshinsec on Jan 4, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Dont get it misunderstood

Stern loved the last lakers Celtics, finals and undertands the ratings they get with classic teams in the playoffs, and especially the finals. The only reason that idiot Stern did not let the trade happen was because the owners got in ear, what NO would of got was better then what they got. Stern knew about Paul and Gasol trade before they brought it to him, and after his puppet masters talked to him he vetoed the deal. When the lakers got Gasol for basically nothing back then from the Grizz, he did not reject that deal. When Boston was able to KG he did not reject that deal( Minny and Memphis sucked for many years after those trades). Kobe has alot heart and proved to me he can play through anything after playing well during the rape case, and a divorce.

by since86rocketsfan on Jan 4, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe there's star treatment,

but I don’t believe it’s some special Laker treatment. Especially considering Kobe’s fouls drawn last year are dwarfed by several other stars in the league. According to 82games.com the foul drawn rate for some stars are: 11.2% for Kobe, 16% for Pierce, 14% for Melo, 15.4% for James, 18.6% for Wade, 17.6% for Bosh, 18.8% for Griffin, 16.2% for Deron Williams. These are just players I thought to look up on the spot mind you, I’m sure there’s at least one or two more that is on this list. I don’t see these kinds of numbers and think “Man the Lakers have the cards stacked in their favor!”, I see that stars just get the benefit of the doubt, Kobe included, most of the time.

To put Kobe’s treatment more into perspective, since ‘06(When Kobe was still athletic and much more of a cutter, and much more than a lot of the guys above him right now) his drawn foul % in order: 11.9%, 14.3%, 15.5%, 11.7%, 12.8%. These numbers are too high, totally, but they’re still lower or on a pretty equal footing compared to the rest of the stars of today.

That’s not to say I don’t agree that yesterdays game was poorly called, or that it’s fair for Kobe/Gasol to generally get star treatment, it’s not. Teams like the rockets are in a hole because they don’t have a superstar that can bail them out with a few extra free throws. That totally sucks, but it’s not the Lakers’ fault, or the league giving special treatment to the Lakers.

As an aside, there was a pretty convincing study that showed that referees give home teams more calls in literally every sport, so take from that what you will.

And my point wasn’t even addressing fouls, it’s the attack on Kobe that is completely unwarranted. If you’re upset about the media, be upset about the media, and don’t specifically say that things that the media does make you dislike Kobe. It’s just illogical.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

well, we used to have kevin martin to draw fouls

and i agree that a lot of the fouls that martin drew annoyed even me. but it seems like the refs this year have a vendetta against him. i believe he’s got to the line something like 6 times in 5 games, and at least 2 of those have been for technical free throws.

he got hacked going into the basket last night and also while shooting a jumper in the lane but the refs turned a blind eye. we’re going to struggle tremendously if our team averages 7 free throws a game, compared to last year when k-mart averaged 7.

by sohum on Jan 4, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed,

and it’s not fair to the Rockets. I just think it’s a league-wide problem, and not just a Laker problem.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

All that you say makes sense here.

I also think Kobe’s foul rate is down because he shoots that turnaround all the time now.

But Kobe shot more FT than the entire Rockets team last night. Kobe and Barnes shot 2x as many. Is Barnes a star?

I know what the home court edge is, but this was way way over, and 75% of the shots came from outside players.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Again,

last night’s game was called poorly. Perfectly willing to agree to that. But it’s one game, and “questioning the integrity of the NBA” is silly. The Lakers were 17th in the league last year in FTA, to the Rockets’ 7th. This isn’t some conspiracy where the Lakers get all the breaks and every one they play is just screwed, and I just don’t see how being below average at drawing fouls with the biggest front line in the league is an indication to the contrary. On any given night the referees can have a serious impact on the game, and they did last night, but there’s nothing that suggests the Lakers have some unfair advantage because of referees.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Questioning the integrity of the NBA isn't silly.

We’ve had a ref fixing games, who went to jail for it. And what, exactly, was done by the NBA to correct the problem? We’ve just seen a trade vetoed without any real mechanism to do it, and none whatsoever to review the decision. What do you mean it’s silly? It’s silly not to.

As to your other point, so the Rockets were a great foul drawing team, but got only 7 attempts? We’ve established that the foul calls weren’t primarily from inside play, either. So what gives?

I don’t think anyone but a Laker fan would think it wasn’t systematic. Ask around.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, let me clarify.

Questioning the integrity of the NBA over a regular season game with questionable calls is silly. Calling the Lakers the usual beneficiary of the league’s largesse when you just brought up a point to the contrary, and there’s no evidence outside of this game is silly. Saying Kobe has an invisible force field that gives him every call in the game, when the statistics say all stars are given that treatment is silly.

I can’t tell you why the Rockets got only 7 free throw attempts, but I can tell you if the Lakers were given some unfair advantage I’d think it would manifest itself more through statistics throughout the course of the season(Or in previous seasons), not having trades vetoed in a way that has never been done before, and through a lot more than one regular season win. Out of 7 games this season, the Lakers have been to the line more than their opponent twice. What evidence is there that the Lakers have a stacked deck?

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well

They got 2 undeserved NBA Titles. One when they were getting butt fucked by the Kings in the 4th quarter and they somehow show something like 30 FT’s in that quarter alone. And the other was the exact same thing happening when they played the Blazers in the same scenario.

I hate david stern!

by batman713 on Jan 4, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I've never seriously analyzed the 2000 WCF, so excuse my ignorance on that.

But as for the 2002 WCF:

The Lakers shot less FTs than the Kings throughout the series, while deploying Shaq who was intentionally fouled more than just about any one.

Sacramento in game 3 shot 35 FTs to the Lakers 15, a difference of 20. Game 2, Sac shot 38 FTs to the Lakers 25, a difference of 13. The game that every one remembers, game 6, the Lakers shot 40 FTs to Sac’s 25. A difference of 15. However, this is a Donaghy game, and I’m completely willing to believe that the Kings got screwed here. That all said, it’s not as if this kind of difference only ever went the Lakers way.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

When has Kobe Bryant EVER commented on a reported injury?

The media does blow it up, but that’s not Kobe’s fault.

Also, comparing Kobe to the Worst Human Alive (Karl Malone) is just wrong.

by grungedave on Jan 4, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I actually lived in LA when Kobe joined the Lakers as a rookie. I personally like him more than Dirk, LBJ, Wade, Melo, Amare. I feel like he is a true professional and the best basketball player since MJ.

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by Rockets4LIFE on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

We each have our position on the guy.

I know you love him, and its just inexplicable to me. Let’s just say I think his whole “noble warrior” schtick is complete crap.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

what schtick?

Kobe isn’t playing mind games over injuries. If the media wants to concoct a “noble warrior” story to sell papers, how is that anything Kobe did?

by grungedave on Jan 4, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Everything he does is calculated for effect.

It’s Kobe who is playing some Clint Eastwood role, and the media loves it. This guy has been looking around, seeing how everything he did was perceived from his first moments in the league.

He’s like ARod – “How do you see me? Does this sound like what a leader would say?” In some ways like ARod he’s a victim of being so good at such a young age. He has no personality other than the narrative he wants to create in the media. Retirement is going to be hard for both of them.

You see his behavior as honest and natural, I simply don’t. I doubt we’ll agree on it ever.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Then I'll be a little more direct.

“He seemed utterly fine” is a description that is only true within the context of one of the first 7 games of the year(And moreover the last year and a half), and looking at his performance since the injury shows he’s not fine.

“Then when asked about it Kobe can then give a tough, terse,stoic, answer” What other response would you prefer? I’m really open to understanding why this is a problem, but I really don’t think it is. The alternative to being tough, is to be weak. The alternative to being stoic is to be dramatic. The alternative to being terse is to be whiny. Would you be a fan of Kobe if he were weak, dramatic, and whiny? Do you think he would be a better person, player, teammate, or figure if he were any of those things?

“about he must carry on for his team, for himself, for pride, for freedom.” Kobe’s never made any comment even remotely resembling or implying this. This is just hyperbole.

Your description is unfair to Kobe, completely.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I think his stoicism is him playing a Clint Eastwood character.

If he thought playing some other character would make his image better, that’s what he’d do. Look, this is one person’s perception of a media figure and player that I find personally distasteful. You don’t. I’ve given some of my reasons, you don’t find them compelling. That’s fine. I don’t find yours compelling either.

I don’t care if you think I’m being unfair to Kobe. I think I’m describing what I see accurately.

Kobe Bryant is utterly unaware of my or your existence. He’ll be fine without either of us.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

The difference is your reasoning is speculation and hyperbole(Because, again, he's never made some comment about how he's carrying on for blahblahblah), whereas

mine has statistical evidence to discount one of your points, an admission that one of your points is true but that it is the only option available to him.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I think your case is a lot less persuasive than you think it is.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, then,

What kind of attitude could Kobe have, since stoic isn’t good, that would make you hate him less? I understand that you feel he’s fake, but as I said, that’s speculation. There’s no room for him to do anything but be stoic when asked the questions the media asks every star player who gets hurt.

Can you name any scenario in which he actually said anything that glorifies him playing with an injury, as you specifically imply he does? If not, then your statement is hyperbole.

If you think he’s not as injured as he says he is, tell me, I’ll provide specific statistics that say otherwise.

These were the 3 points I thought were ridiculous, and still do.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, this is it for me. Last reply.

I stated an opinion. How on earth can I prove it? By what means? How can you prove otherwise? You keep thinking you’ve offered some sort of objective response, but you’ve simply offered more opinion.

Yes, I used hyperbole in entertaining writing. Guilty as charged.

Yes, I do think he’s injured. I think he gets the most milage possible from his injuries. You disagree. Ok.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Like conquistadors trying to convert the masses

sigh…

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by A.J. G on Jan 4, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The irritating thing is, you think you know who Kobe is

And don’t mean that you are irritating, you sound like a decent chap.

But your comments make it sound as if you know the character of the man, and what he’s about. Bill Simmons does this quite a lot too, so maybe you’re in good writing company.

But you don’t know him … and neither do I. So we should probably stick to the game.

At the same time, I know it’s fun to speculate, but we should be honest that that is what is happening and leave room that we might be wrong.

Ugh, that was very lecture-y, wasn’t it? Now I’m the irritating one.

Sorry for lurking.

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 AM CST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNemKXW6YcM&feature=related

Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"

by hrghori on Jan 4, 2012 5:21 AM CST reply actions  

If I said it once, I'll say it again

I hate that we didn’t get Pau, but anyway we can end this Laker era as quickly as possible will make me happy. Most of the fans weren’t there during the “Vlade, Vlade, we like to party” days when they were scraping the barrel. They are spoiled. It will be nice to allow them to see how it is to earn your wins.

Oh, and Gilbert is still a douche and fuck David Stern.

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by A.J. G on Jan 4, 2012 5:42 AM CST reply actions  

I remember when they had Van Exel and Eddie Jones

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by Rockets4LIFE on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Meh..

Lowry with another crazy game, but it belonged to the refs.. Courtney played great defense that first half(all I saw). Shit like that happens in LA, I guess we gotta deal with it.

Dallas and Houston fan making it work. Gig 'em!

by OJ ATM on Jan 4, 2012 6:38 AM CST reply actions  

They were some big dudes - Hard to compete around the rim.

Lakers played some really good ball.
Rockets stayed with them until the fourth when they didn’t score for a few mins. at the start.
The officials were so bias it looked like the lakers knew they were playing with a marked deck.

and strained ligaments in your shooting wrist my ass.

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by craigj007 on Jan 4, 2012 6:54 AM CST reply actions  

I agree they have a big frontcourt

But while we have gotten some size recently, without using it to bully players out of the paint on rebounds it’s just wasted space. There were way too many gold and purple jerseys around the basket when we missed shots. They outrebounded us 53-38. I got a mad man crush on Lowry’s play right now. However, if he outrebounds our two centers there is a serious issue. 9 rebounds between our two big men is not going to cut it, even if the other teams are bigger than us. We also didn’t have one block the whole game either.

Also, that strained ligament shit is the media trying to explain away Kobe’s struggles recently. Guess what? The dude is getting older and will eventually retire. Then the Lakers will poach some first round pick from another team for a nacho cart and be back on top again. Such is the way it will be until Stern is excorcised from this plane of existence back to his own.

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by A.J. G on Jan 4, 2012 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

One thing that has been annoying me quite a bit is the Rockets big men being in love with jumpers when they have wide open lanes. Jordan Hill and Patterson have to try adn get closer to the basket.

Sam Dalembert makes 1 or 2 wtf decisions per game.

I was actually impressed by the Lakers announcers constantly calling out Bynum and Gasol for camping in the lane even though only 1 3 second violation was called. They see quite sick of Gasol’s whining and punchable face.

Overall, I think the Rockets played well. Limited turnovers, played solid defense, good tempo but to beat the Lakers we can’t have Kevin Martin playing badly and Kobe making those crazy shots.

by VBG on Jan 4, 2012 7:10 AM CST reply actions  

Good points

The announcers were on point. I remember when they talked shit about Gasol whining when he had a saddle on Lowry’s back. I also agree that Hill has to get more comfortable with initiating physical contact down low. PP has done that in the past, so there is no reason to think he won’t get back there, but if Hill develops a “to the hole” instinct he’ll be unstoppable.

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by A.J. G on Jan 4, 2012 7:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Dalembert will apparently make between 1 and 4 WTF decisions a game.

Its part of the cost of ownership.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Rockets played a good game last night

They also probably got the most “ooooooos” from the crowd as well. They settled for too many jumpers. Patterson and Hill need to drive it to the hole when they are wide open. The only big man shooting should be Scola.

Lowry…..what a beast!! If he has a solid game tonight I will be surprised because he looked gassed at the end of the game.

I think T-Will was doing a great job yesterday, and maybe he was being a little too conservative. I would have like to see more of him, especially driving in to the lane. The Lakers were stunned the one time he did it. I think he is a little gun shy and doesn’t want to be perceived as being selfish or a ball hog.

Another late game tonight…..another unproductive day at work tomorrow……

by Texas08 on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 AM CST reply actions  

Im comfortable with Patterson's shot

He just needs to get it going, he needs a few more games. I would like to see him more in the post, but I dont mind him shooting.

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by Rockets4LIFE on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

in the last 2 mins

WHAT was the deal with Lowrys foul on bynum under our basket! someone explain how that was a foul?

And on a positive note Bud done really well he was making his 3s so at the end dof the game he started to fake and drive

by IrishThrasher on Jan 4, 2012 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

I couldnt believe they called a foul there

and Lowry should have gotten a foul on the other end when he was hacked going in for a layup. The refs were useless.

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by Rockets4LIFE on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

how dare lowry think about preventing bynum from getting his career's first 20-20 game

astonishing stat they brought up in the post-game…. d12 has something like 40 or so career 20-20 games.

by sohum on Jan 4, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Kobe has a torn wrist ligament in his shooting wrist

It’s defintiely not an injury that should sideline him at all, but could be bothersome at times I imagine. As much as I dislike him, I have not once seen or heard him try and glorify or praise his actions of playing through the injury.
As for the calls, yeah they were terrible. LA got bailed out several times. However their coach is MIke Brown, so I consider it a wash.

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by jake_471 on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

Thank you.

It’s fine to dislike the guy, he can be a real ass, but don’t act like he’s doing something he’s not.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

We'll have to disagree on that.

I think the guy doesn’t brush his teeth without wondering how it affects public perception of him and his legacy. I think nearly every single thing he says and does is calculated to make him look better. Occasionally though things slip through, which is why his projected image of himself is so often at odds with what these brief moments of candor reveal.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

that makes no sense

If that were true, that Kobe didn’t do anything without considering his public image, he’d never cheat on his wife with a 19 year old white girl at a resort in Colorado.

You are letting person opinion blur what we call “facts”

by grungedave on Jan 4, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh you mean the utter violation of Colorado's rape shield law by his lawyer? And the hick judge allowing it?

Ever wonder how much he paid to avoid a civil suit?

I think that incident, more than any other, put him on this relentless image crafting campaign. He wants to be seen as better than Jordan, and he had to do so much damage control after the rape allegation that media management and image control had become everything.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Jordan did far more horrible things than bang a 19 year old...

How does Kobe’s lawyer have anything to do with Kobe’s own desire to meet his own public image? I really think you are trying to hard to put a square peg in a round hole here. There are enough unlikeable traits about Kobe that you don’t have to resort to making things up.

by grungedave on Jan 4, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't make anything up.

Just pointing out that we’ll actually never know what would happen in a trial because of what his lawyer did. That’s not on him, especially, but I don’t believe those who call him “innocent” of rape. We don’t know. And that’s really from whence my malice springs.

Also, I hate Michael Jordan too. I admire the ability, like Kobe, whom I praised for his ability in my post, but dislike the person. I think they’re both sort of sociopaths. Honestly my voice is just a piece of driftwood in a sea of praise for them both. Yet it’s interesting how much it rankles the admirers, as if they see some truth there.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW you shift ground in arguments very neatly.

You call it an affair, I call it an alleged rape.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

dudes don't call their wives before they engage in rape

Phone records indicate that Kobe called Vanessa 10 minutes before Ms. Faber entered his room. Dudes simply do not have the foresight to call the wife (so she doesn’t call mid-sexy time) if the act in question is to be rape.

That girl was a starfucker who knew exactly what was to transpire.

Plus, no 19 year old works late at a summer job. No way.

by grungedave on Jan 4, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

This is what persuades you?

And if it wasn’t your hero Kobe?

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by A.J. G on Jan 4, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

not my original theory...

Ralph Wiley posted those facts and that theory/hypothesis on ESPN.

Most people think Ralph Wiley is pretty straightforward and credible.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/wiley/030725.html

by grungedave on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Bothersome at times...

Does that look bothersome or does it look like the hand of a 300 pound man? I think we’re all spoiled. I’d bet that MOST of Kobe’s injuries would sideline 95% of the league. This one is no different.

by rshinsec on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry here's link

http://twitter.com/#!/Poy_L/status/154287094066454528/photo/1

by rshinsec on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

They'd kill 8 regular NBA players on the spot.

I said as much.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Bud playing over T-Will in the 4th is ridiculous.

I understand that Bud was good on both sides of the court throughout the game, but T-Will’s defense is superior to Bud’s. Bud played decent defense on Kobe, but he lacks the athleticism and strength that T-Will has.

I know that T-Will is unpredictable on offense, but he had a great 2nd quarter, both offensively and defensively. I just don’t understand why he didn’t get any minutes in the 2nd half.

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by bone31crusher on Jan 4, 2012 1:29 PM CST reply actions  

I watched the entire 2nd half

Budinger could not have played Kobe better in most of his attempts in the 4th, but Kobe was just feeling the it, no one could have stopped him

by NVP on Jan 4, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

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by Rockets4LIFE on Jan 4, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought T-Will could have played him better.

Bud’s contests were late on some of those turn around jumpers.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Jan 4, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, playing Martin 40 minutes was incredibly dumb.

His shot wasn’t falling throughout the game, and his defense was beyond awful.

Here’s my biggest problem with the move: Martin only took TWO shots in the 4th. If we’re going to play him in the 4th, we better use him offensively, especially if his defense is terrible.

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by bone31crusher on Jan 4, 2012 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

Can I say I find it funny that all the Laker defense is for Kobe?

I put in a line like “moral bedwetting” for Bynum – not a peep.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

I don't care about the morality of Bynum, or other people's perception of his morality. Can't speak for any one else.

I defend Kobe because I’m a Kobe fan. And while I can accept and understand a myriad of his flaws, people ragging on him for things he hasn’t ever said or done seems like a cheap shot.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

He's also a dirty player

Ask Battier and Artest.

I hate david stern!

by batman713 on Jan 4, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don't understand the need to defend another grown man

To do so seems to deify him. Everytime a bad word about Kobe is written on the internet there seems to be some pseudo-missionary work needing to be done by the Kobe fans. I have never seen a guy who’s fans needed to come to his rescue more. The neat thing about opinions is a person can have them just because. Somebody likes screwing Khloe Kardashian, but I think she is a sasquatch in disguise. My opinion. Nobody on here knows Kobe personally I would venture to say, so we are all speculating. Needing to argue an opinion is like beating your head against the wall. It’s moot. You won’t change anyone’s mind by doing so. Therefore, this begs the question as to why people do it? Is it to justify their own beliefs in a person? Not a faith, belief system, or moral decision, but a sports athelete? Dude is a grown man and if he really had a problem with people talking shit, in particular Xiane, he’ll call him and they can work it out. However, I bet he will not send you a Xmas card for coming to his aid. Sad thing is people are willing to show such prosocial behavior towards a stranger who could not relate to them, but ignores their fellow man with similar plights.

Basically Xiane thinks the guy is a major doucher and you think he is baby Jesus in a tuxedo t-shirt. Neither of you know him, so nobody has a wrong opinon. Your free to post your opinion just as he did. But arguing it will get you nowhere. And guess what, Xiane will keep hating him. Not going to stop.

On a side note, I applaud you for your support of your player and not another teams. Casual fans are funny. If Kobe came to the Rox today, I would embrace him to win us trophies. That is all I give a rats ass about. Guy can do that well.

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by A.J. G on Jan 4, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you know Kobe sends me a Christmas card every year?

I’m such an asshole.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Gah, I don't like long posts, because I feel like I'm glossing over some of your points.

Sorry if I do. It’s honestly not meant to. Anyways, last post for me before I have to leave.

“Everytime a bad word about Kobe is written on the internet there seems to be some pseudo-missionary work needing to be done by the Kobe fans.” I think this only appears to be the case because Kobe is polarizing. If Hakeem were bad mouthed on SS&R(or wherever), I’d imagine two or three Rockets fans would call out whoever wrote it.

“I have never seen a guy who’s fans needed to come to his rescue more.” To me, it’s not a need to defend the guy because he needs defending or because he’s incapable of doing it himself if he so desired. It’s just calling out something written in a public space that i think is unfair and untrue so that some one, wether it’s the person I’m arguing against or any one else who’s reading, would have a better understanding of both sides. Even if people dismiss my points or disagree with my points, I’d rather have said my thoughts on the matter than not.

“Nobody on here knows Kobe personally I would venture to say, so we are all speculating. " Nothing I’ve said is speculation, mostly because I honestly don’t understand the Kobe Bryants and Michael Jordans of the world.

“Is it to justify their own beliefs in a person? Not a faith, belief system, or moral decision, but a sports athelete?” As to why I do it for a sports athlete, it’s because I find the NBA, and its’ players (especially Kobe) interesting, thought provoking, and enjoyable. It’s fun for me to follow, discuss, and think about this stuff, and if there’s a medium where people are discussing something I’m interested in, I’m probably gonna make my point known. At least as long as it isn’t some ridiculous inconvenience. I’m not especially emotionally invested in Kobe Bryant, or the Lakers, or this argument, but I enjoy the game enough to have these kind of arguments. I can only imagine that others here do too.

“Dude is a grown man and if he really had a problem with people talking shit, in particular Xiane, he’ll call him and they can work it out. However, I bet he will not send you a Xmas card for coming to his aid.” It’s not really about the results of the process, or getting recognition for defending the points against him as it is about making my thoughts known so that others can have a better understanding.

“Sad thing is people are willing to show such prosocial behavior towards a stranger who could not relate to them, but ignores their fellow man with similar plights.” I think this is unfair, at least to a degree. I’ve gotten in arguments over some one else badmouthing people that are my peers, as I’m sure a lot of people have. I don’t ignore my fellow man, and I don’t think every one else does either. And this isn’t me bragging about myself, I swear. I’m sure that if you thought about it, you and everybody else here, has argued for or defended another person that they didn’t have to.

“Basically Xiane thinks the guy is a major doucher and you think he is baby Jesus in a tuxedo t-shirt.” I actually think he’s a dick, for entirely different reasons than are stated here. I just respect the athlete, and cut the person out of the equation. Part of the athlete is reflected in the way he plays through pain, and the fact that he isn’t overly dramatic off the court.

“Neither of you know him, so nobody has a wrong opinon. Your free to post your opinion just as he did. But arguing it will get you nowhere. And guess what, Xiane will keep hating him. Not going to stop.” I’d rather post my opinions and thoughts than not, in order to at least attempt a better understanding, from either of the two sides of the argument. It’s not about specifically changing his mind, but saying what I think and believe to be true. In any case, I’ve had my mind changed before, and am open to having my mind changed again, as I’m sure most are. I don’t think posting opinions is pointless at all, and if it were, well, internet blogs like these that post opinions wouldn’t really have a purpose at all.

“If Kobe came to the Rox today, I would embrace him to win us trophies. That is all I give a rats ass about.” I’d say that shows a lot of royalty to the rockets too, don’t cut yourself short.

I’m willing to let whoever responds have the last word. I think I’ve basically made my points, and I’ll probably check and read responses, but I don’t think there’s too much more to be said on the subject.

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That was really long.

I suggest you use the block quote feature to separate your thoughts for those of others. It’s much clearer. I appreciate your politeness throughout all of this. I think we’re going to retain our respective positions no matter what.

For whatever its worth, I don’t hate the Lakers. I really dislike the Kobe incarnation, but I simply loved watching the Magic Johnson version. The Lakers are the NBA’s marquee franchise, it’s a shame they’re so unlovable.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

free throws

you clearly didn’t watch the game that closely cause most of kobes free throws came when he was driving and taking shots in the paint. Also, four of matt barnes six free throws came in the last minute when they were INTENIONALLY fouling him so what do you want the refs to do not call the fouls? I was at the game so i would know, you obviously just read the stats and cried about it. They were down by 10 and were still intentionally fouling. Obviously they didn’t want laker fans to get tacos.

by layzie on Jan 4, 2012 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

It's all about the Tacos.

FT disparity was evident from the 1st quarter. Thanks for playing though.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe they should have stopped settling for jumpers cause thats all the rockets did in the first quarter. Budinger and Scola kept the game close with nice threes and spot up mid range mostly wide open. No way your gonna get calls on those. The rockets barely tried to go inside.

by layzie on Jan 4, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

They abandoned it when they got perpetually hacked with no calls.

It cuts both ways.

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by Xiane on Jan 4, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

"obviously they didn't want the laker fans to get tacos"

lol….. for some reason i picture a fat kid with taco meat dripping down the front of his shirt

by sohum on Jan 4, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

AND most of the fouls kevin martin was grabbin kobes jersey the whole time you could see it from the nosebleeds

by layzie on Jan 4, 2012 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

Good Progress for a Rebuild Team

I watched the 2nd and 3rd quarters on 1/3/12.

The Rockets played with a lot of consistent discipline on offense,
compared to their 2010-2011 team. I hope for their sake that
they continue that discipline and fine 3 point shooting aggresiveness and accuracy.

If they continue to play on offense with this type of discipline
then they should be a legitimate contender for a 7th or 8th slot
in the Western conference playoffs.

Incidentally, the morning of 1/3/12 I happened to listen to a January 2011 ESPN NBA Today podcast that featured a researcher who had used statistical research to determine the actual best players in clutch situations. The researched concluded that Kevin Martin was better than Kobe in 4th quarter, final scoring opportunity situations.
I did not know, when I listened to this Podcast that the Lakers would play the Rockets
later in the day on 1/3/12. In any event, they’re both fine players and Kobe continues
to prove that he is an all-time great. A couple of Boston Globe sportswriters think that he is the probable winner of the 2012 MVP.

by 77DJK on Jan 4, 2012 5:00 PM CST reply actions  

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